Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Persej]

Thank you Keyhole. I will try that. Or maybe with a straw? :)

 

[SummerLite]

Also, the recommendation is to take vitamin C at least 2 hours after the iodine, since it can interfere with the iodine's effectiveness.

Would it make a difference if its taken few hours before breakfast shortly after salt water?

I normally use Hymalayan pink salt - packed in UK and originating from Pakistan, am I right to be slightly concerned about its quality?

Haven't started Lugol's yet, but today I drank salt water immediately after waking up and shortly after vitamin c, the boost in energy level was significant throughout the day.

Hi Z, I think one of the interesting things about this protocol is finding out about the wonderful health benefits of drinking salted water which is new to me. I started using Himalayan salt for cooking around the time I started the keto diet so I have that on hand for this. But, mostly the Celtic salt is recommended here so I wondered also if the Himalayan is suitable and looked for more information. I found one sight that said, there are differences in the quality you can buy. Some salt is mined from mountain top areas (open pits?) and is more prone to having contaminates so its best to buy salt that comes from underground. I'm sorry I dont have a link nor am I able to give a more accurate description of what was said but thats the idea. So it seems one needs to be careful of the source. I did save a link that was recommended by Dr. Sircus which he considers a quality source. https://www.himalayansaltcart.com/

Other then that, I think its fine is my conclusion after reading some material but I'm open to more information of course. . I did buy a bag of the Celtic Sea salt as well since it was on sale at the local health store so I have lots of good salt :). I'm using the Celtic salt at the moment since its a smaller portion and easier to use and came in the large grains, so good to dissolve in water (its cheaper too). But why not go back and forth with the different salts? Seems ok.

 

[Kay Kim]

Thank you Keyhole. I will try that. Or maybe with a straw? :)

Life is an experience. But we don't have much time left on this 3rd density.
So instead suffering, why not embrace every own characteristic flavor?
Soon you will be marvel at every unique wonderful moment's experience.
Don't waste last chance to enjoy physical sensation!

 

[Masamune]

Hi everyone, thanks for all the great research! I'm one of those who have had chronic neurological problems for the 14 years and nothing out of all the things I have done has significantly improved my symptoms. Nothing was found on an mri scan of my brain earlier this year which was a relief. Reading through Brownstein's book there were no case studies similar to my situation.

Last week l was told by a doctor that they found a bacterial infection through urinalysis. I've been having back pains, frequent urination, some nausea and urgency for a while. I was given Cipro but decided not to take it due to the dangerous side effects. So I decided to do the "nuke" option with Lugol's 5% and all the cofactors following the protocol and other's observations in this thread. I worked up from 5 drops 2x a day to 10 2x a day in order to see if I had any serious detox symptoms but have only had minor headache and minor visual disturbance at some times. After 7 days am still feeling sick with some small improvement, but also feeling more energy and better adrenal functioning. What really seemed to help for the infection was some d-mannose powder which I received yesterday.

Would it be better to lower the dose or pulse dose at this point and try other methods for treating the infection such as another antibiotic or other supplements? Would it be advisable to later raise the dosage again to nuke the infection if still sick?

 

[maryd]

Thanks for the info here. I was delighted to 'happen upon' this alternate source of Iodine for those who can't find or afford Lugol's etc. It's always nice too- to have a local source for shtf scenario.
"It provides one of the only inland sources of iodine" as well as ALA & many other health benefits. More research to do.


BLACK WALNUT HULLS (JUGLANS NIGRA)


Medicinal use and Health Benefits


Black walnut has been touted as a vermifuge (worm and parasite eliminator) for many decades. Products that contain raw materials like black walnut are viable products that really do work on illnesses caused by bothersome pests like ringworms, pinworms, tapeworms and many other of the parasites that penetrate into our lives. The parts of the black walnut that are used medicinally are the bark of the tree, the husk, the shell and the nut or the kernel. Black walnut is considered to be an antiseptic, a germicide, a parasitic, and a laxative. Black walnut hull does indeed help with a variety of health conditions from ridding the body of intestinal parasites and tapeworms to reducing constipation and healing skin conditions like acne, canker sores, psoriasis, and other fungal infections. The hull can be ground down into a fine powder and taken internally or mixed into a poultice and applied topically. Black walnut has been used as external applications for a variety of skin complaints including ringworm, jock itch , athlete's foot, psoriasis, blisters, eczema, scabbing caused by intense itching, varicose ulcers, and even syphilis sores. The black walnut kernel or nut is thought to oxygenate the blood. It provides one of the only inland sources of iodine and also is laden with omega 3 fatty acids. Black walnut extracts can be taken internally for ailments such as gout, rheumatism, glandular disturbances, worms, and parasites. The most common medicinal use of black walnut is to kill parasites. Black Walnut oxygenates the blood to kill parasites. It is used to help balance sugar levels. It also is able to burn up excessive toxins and fatty materials. The decoction has also been used as an effective vermifuge. Vermifuge is just a fancy word to indicate that the properties in black walnuts eliminates worms or parasites that use humans as hosts. The fruit is useful for promoting strength and weight gain. The husk is chewed for colic and use as a poultice for inflammation. The decoction has also been used as an effective vermifuge.

Active ingredients

The black walnut hull contains a number of active ingredients, including omega-3 fatty acids called alpha linolenic acid (ALA, a liquid polyunsaturated fatty acid that occurs in some plant oils; an essential fatty acid), sterols, tannins and iodine. A high intake of ALA is protective against heart attack. Sterols are naturally occurring plant compounds that are chemically similar to cholesterol. Sterols may play chemoprotective (properties or agents that protect healthy tissue from the toxic effects of anticancer drugs during the treatment of cancer) and cardioprotective (agents or properties that protect or even strengthen the heart) roles. Tannins are antibacterial, anticancer, antidiarrheal (agents or properties that stop or control diarrhea), antihepatotoxic (agents or properties that protect the liver), chelator (can combine to chemicals that normally do not mix), antihypertensive (agents that control blood pressure), antitumor, cancer preventive, anti-ulcer. Iodine is widely used as an antiseptic in medicine. It works by attaching itself to the infective bacteria and thereby killing them. Black walnut shells are very rich in vitamin C, and beta-carotene, B1, B2, and B6 are found in the leaves.


For more information view the source:Grandma's herbs

 

[RflctnOfU]

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Which reminds me of a question regarding VitC. Once introduced into the organism, how long until it won't interfere with the iodine? The recommendation on the protocol is two hours after Lugols. Would two hours before be okay (with salted water)? This isn't mentioned in Brownstein's book.

I found this:

"With regular intake the absorption rate varies between 70 to 95%. However, the degree of absorption decreases as intake increases. At high intake (1.25 g), fractional human absorption of ascorbic acid may be as low as 33%; at low intake (<200 mg) the absorption rate can reach up to 98%.
Ascorbate concentrations over the renal re-absorption threshold pass freely into the urine and are excreted. At high dietary doses (corresponding to several hundred mg/day in humans) ascorbate is accumulated in the body until the plasma levels reach the renal resorption threshold, which is about 1.5 mg/dL in men and 1.3 mg/dL in women. Concentrations in the plasma larger than this value (thought to represent body saturation) are rapidly excreted in the urine with a half-life of about 30 minutes. Concentrations less than this threshold amount are actively retained by the kidneys, and the excretion half-life for the remainder of the vitamin C store in the body thus increases greatly, with the half-life lengthening as the body stores are depleted."

Therefore I think it would be safe to take it 30 min before Iodine.

But if i am not mistaken it is important to take it after Iodine if detox symptoms get out of control.

Thanks for finding this Z! If detox symptoms get too much, I have no problem taking more vitC (as a 'beverage', my palate finds vitC/salt water to be absolutely delicious) and my system seems to be able to tolerate large amounts of vitC. Last year during the Ebola breakout I started loading up on c heavily...If I remember correctly my largest daily intake was 11-12 grams, and the only side effect was slightly loose stool. At 7ish grams (three doses of half tsp 2.25g each) my system seems fine. (But I love salt/c water :))

Thanks again!

Kris

Addendum: upped dose of Lugols 5% to three drops today. Will report on effects of this tomorrow.

 

[curious_richard]

Thank you for explanation. Can you also comment on this:

[...] Now why what role Vit c does is to convert a whole sodium molecule into Ionised state , Which is required to conduct electrical signaling. If there is no Vit c all of sodium cannot be converted into ionized state , and you don’t get all benefits. Remember ascorbic acid (vit c) is a free radical scavenger it gives extra electron or take electron to make other molecules stable ,this is how it takes two electron from sodium to convert it into Na^2+

I think the author got some details wrong. Sodium molecules?! No. The sodium atoms will be ions in the body, each one losing one electron and having a charge of +1. They will conduct electricity. But no normal chemical will remove a second electron to bring it to +2. That is not going to happen. Maybe an energetic radioactive element has the energy for that, but I suspect not.

The author is correct in noting that vitamin C has very useful properties in lending/taking (buffering) electrons. That is an important and useful point. We have discussed how salts can help iodine replace bromine, and that is also helpful. I think the author is taking useful information (good!) and wrapping it in a story that is not really factual.

Yeah, I like to put salt on food but there seems to be something useful in combining salt and water. :)

I should have written that I added water so that the salt+turkey+water mixture was like a thick turkey soup.

 

[dj]

I wanted to point out that the Lugol's sold at Etsy by Loudwolf is made with reagent grade iodine and KI.

When I was looking around for sources of Iodine and KI to make cheap Lugol's, I decided that the reagent grade wasn't as pure as I would like for something I'm taking internally. For something this important, I think purity of the ingredients is a big concern.

Loudwolf sells his/her Lugol's at a nice low price, but please, a heads up on the quality. It might be worth a few extra bucks to get something that's made with higher purity iodine.

Thanks to all for the amazing information y'all are bringing to us in this forum. I'm just blown away by the implications of all this. The ongoing discussion is what really helps me see that iodine isn't a magic bullet but a tool (and blessing) to be learned and treated with respect for how it best works.

 

[kujo]

I want to say thank you for posting that. If there are other essential information, please let me know, and I will be having my eyes on this thread.


6am- Celtic Sea Salt in water.
8am- breakfast, multi vitamin.
10am- Lugols, B2, B3, selenium.
11am- vitamin C.
12noon- salted water.
1pm- lunch
3pm- Lugols, B2, B3.
4pm- vitamin C.
5pm- salted water.
6pm- dinner with apple cider vinega water.
8pm- magnesium glycinate.

If I understand correctly it is more advisable to take lugols right after meal.

Some of foods, especially vegetables like broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, and cabbage that counteract iodine also some of seeds too.

I think is a loss to take iodine near meals because, some components in it are antioxidants, in that way you probably will destroy the iodine component in lugol's solution and will rest only with iodide, which is supposed to be non or little antimicrobial.
I can't buy the brownstein book for the moment but I have a question, is there any study about what kind of iodine comes to blood when lugol's is ingested, iodine or iodide, both?.

Galaxia, in response to your question here, in Chapter 3, Brownstein addresses Iodine and Iodide a bit. From page 63:

Different body tissues concentrate different forms of iodine. As mentioned above, the breasts concentrate iodine. The prostate gland concentrates iodine. The thyroid gland and the skin primarily concentrate iodide. Other tissues, including the kidneys, spleen, liver, blood, salivary glands, and intestines can concentrate either form. With various body tissues responding to different forms of iodine, it would make common sense that a great therapeutic benefit from iodine will be achieved by using a combination of iodine and iodide

Citations from this chapter are below:

Thrall, K. Distribution of iodine into blood components of the Sprague-Dawley rat differs with the chemical form administered. Fundamental and applied Toxicology. 15:75-81 1990

Eskin, B. Different tissue responses for iodine and iodide in rat thyroid and mammary glands. Biological Trace Element Research. Vol. 49, 1995

Aceves, C. Is Iodine a gatekeeper of the integrity of the mammary gland? J. of Mammary Gland Biol. and Neoplasia Vol. 10, No. 2, April 2005

Hope this helps answer your question.


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[Lilou]

Would it be better to lower the dose or pulse dose at this point and try other methods for treating the infection such as another antibiotic or other supplements? Would it be advisable to later raise the dosage again to nuke the infection if still sick?

I would take an antibiotic! Cipro is not my drug of choice either. Perhaps you can ask your doctor for Keflex instead? I've found that using two weapons - iodine and an antibiotic - at the same time, really stops an infection in its tracts. It also shortens the time the antibiotic needs to be taken. You don't want to let that go too long, as it could spread to your kidney, if it is just a UTI at this point.

You could also ask for amoxicillin - a 3mg dose of that will stop a UTI in its tracks as well. I've used that method before, but took 1500mg for a day or two longer, just to be sure it was dead.

125 mg/day is already a pretty high dose. You may want to cut that back to 50mg/day (4 drops twice a day), especially if you are having visual disturbances! A bad detox reaction can happen overnight and if your kidneys aren't up to snuff....it could be difficult. Drink plenty of vitamin C, that will also help.

50mg is typically the dose most iodine docs are recommending for detox and tissue saturation, which they say generally takes about 3 months at that dose. Just be sure to take the cofactors, selenium, and salt water!! Salt water is what facilitates the detox, pulling halogens from the blood stream and into the kidneys for excretion. Very important!! You should also be taking Magnesium. NAC is also helpful for detox.

added: If you can't get a different antibiotic, I'd take the Cipro, ASAP! It is a first generation fluroquinolone. It was the later generations (5,6,7?) that had some really bad side effects. Some of those have been pulled from the market. Of all of them, Cipro was the one with the least problems.

 

[Gaby]

Would it be better to lower the dose or pulse dose at this point and try other methods for treating the infection such as another antibiotic or other supplements? Would it be advisable to later raise the dosage again to nuke the infection if still sick?

If D-mannose and lugol doesn't do it, I would take an antibiotic. Before cipro and amoxicillin, I would try fosfomycin, a couple of doses of 3 grams and voilà. It often does the trick better than any other hard-core antibiotic of one week. If you have a predisposition for urine infection, then perhaps it is best to take a regular antibiotic for one week though.

Women do get urinary infections more frequently, men do not. In the latter case, there is usually something else going on that would make a one week antibiotic more suitable, other than addressing the root factor.

Let's keep in mind that bromide detox can mimic an urinary infection as it causes frequent urination and urethral spasms. Doesn't seem to be your case though, as a urinalysis already confirmed the infection.

Hope this helps!

 

[istina]

The question I have is can we put anything else in the salted water? Because the taste is really bad. :/

Before I have started with iodine protocol, I used to drink warm water with little squeezed lemon as first thing in the morning, because it allegedly alkalizes body and helps with bowel moments (but only if no added sugar).

I saw at Iodine Workshop FB group that people are also struggling with salted water taste so they tried to add some taste (but I certainly would not recommend adding sugar, honey or or anything that contains carbohydrates):

http://www.iodineresearch.com/saltloading1

They also put this from Why I can't get better (pg 430/431):

file:///D:/Alka-seltzer%20pages%20from%20Why%20Can_t%20I%20Get%20Better.pdf

It says that during Herxheimer reaction the body can get acidic which is detrimental to health, as the enzymatic processes of the body function best at neutral PH 7,4 therefore to balance PH it is good to use Alka Seltzer Gold or sodium bicarbonate, vitamin C and lemon –lime water.

So now I sometimes add some lemon in salted water, mainly in my first morning salt dose.

 

[Carl]

For those who are struggling with salt water taste, either you are adding too much, or you need to just get over it and drink it.

Over time your taste adapts and it becomes more palatable, and you can increase the concentration.

 

[Laura]

For those who are struggling with salt water taste, either you are adding too much, or you need to just get over it and drink it.

Over time your taste adapts and it becomes more palatable, and you can increase the concentration.

I agree. It must be too much because salted water tastes good to the palate especially if your adrenals are stressed.

It is interesting to notice how many of you are having what are plainly bromine/fluorine/chlorine detox symptoms at fairly low doses. So, once again, let me just urge starting slow and building up slowly just to the point that you start having some symptoms and then maybe back off a drop. Wait a few days, go up a drop, see how it goes. If no symptoms, go up another and if you get symptoms, back off again for a couple of days. In short, make it a kind of stalking process. You want to get the baddies out, but you don't want to be so miserable you can't function.

Ark and I both had some weird joint pains for a few days, mainly in the hands and feet. My knees were a bit wonky for a couple of days. We had some extreme tiredness and headaches, so I backed our doses down.

My eye was twitching like crazy for a few days; very annoying. Then, I started having leg cramps; so I took a potassium iodide 32.8 mg, and a total mineral supplement without iron and that seemed to fix that pretty quick. So if anybody has any of that nonsense, maybe you need some extra minerals in general?

I'm really enjoying drinking the glass of salted water in the morning. It makes my stomach feel "washed" and wakes it up so to say.

I've also made things as simple as possible. I don't like complicated things and I have lots to do, so simple is best.

Salted water upon arising.

cup of tea.

breakfast followed immediately by:
lugols
B2
B3
selenium
boron
NAC
zinc
D3

I may have another salted water later in the day.
Vitamin C later in the day.

But basically, that's it.

Right now I'm not trying to kill anything, I'm just concentrating on building up my immune system and getting energy stabilized. My energy is good, brain fog greatly reduced. And one thing that's interesting: my eyes and ears seem to be improving in various ways. The tinnitis is reduced by about half and no more light flashes in the eyes.

 

[Konstantin]

I want to ask one question.
I will make my own Lugols and i dont know for sure it this ingredients grade / purity are suitable for consumption

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Iodine-Crystals-USP-EP-BP-100g-Sealed-Container-Sigma-Aldrich-99-9-/161800490742?hash=item25ac0f8ef6:g:8f4AAOSwd4tT-OmX

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Potassium-Iodide-Crystalline-powder-100-grams-USP-grade-99-Pure-KI-crystals-/181759061377?hash=item2a51af2d81:g:WhoAAMXQ1ZhTi3Me

I must order from ebay because most of the sellers on amazon dont ship to Macedonia.

On iodine cristals it says USP/EP/BP

but when searching for the grades definitions i found this:

BP Grade - BP grade is also known as pharmaceutical grade and is analogous to the American USP Grade. These products must conform to the standards set out by the British Pharmacopoeia in terms of purity and lack of contaminants. These products are supplied with a COA (certificate of analysis or certificate of conformity) which shows that they have been tested and confirmed to meet the required standards. BP grade chemicals are generally used for cosmetic applications as they ensure a high level of purity and traceability, or when a higher grade is required for laboratory testing. Please note that while they may be called pharmaceutical grade, none of the products that we sell are authorised for use in food or medical applications.

Our BP grade products are supplied to us prepacked and certified by pharmaceutical grade suppliers.

So now i`m confused. Can i use them to prepare my Lugols or not ?