Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[no-mans-land]

Hey Gang, I was thinking of making my own Lugol's - has anyone attempted that yet? I found KI crystals on amazon, 1lb for $100... but I can't seem to find iodine crystals. Anyone have a suggested supplier?

I've been taking 50mg from drops of lugol's for about 2-3 weeks now and I feel incredible. Occasionally getting odd headaches, but they seem to have been happening more in the beginning and I think it was a detox symptom.

Hi Puck

making your own Lugol's is quite easy. Made something already and it's plenty enough for the next few years. I used 100 gr. iodine and 200 gr. iodide. I also researched what quality can be used and discovered, that some stuff that is actually labeled "for lab use" is more pure than stuff that is labeled "pharmaceutical grade". For example:

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00LPPWV6U?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

On the bottle you can see that the purity is 99,8%, and it's labeled "for lab use". And here:

From EBay

Despite the claim that this is the purest and medical grade, the purity is just 99,5%. And also, if you compare the ppm's of the impurities, you can see that the 99,8% stuff is faaar cleaner despite the "for lab use" label.

For the iodine I used this one:

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00BXKN4P4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

Its 99,9% pure, even better than the 99,5% stuff you can get in Germany since it is shipped from England. They don't label it for a purpose (lab or pharmaceutical), but this is the best quality I could find.

So, one of the iodine bottles for 30€ (250 gr.) and two of the iodide boxes for 31€ (200 gr.) makes you 700 ml Lugols 10% for just 60€ and you still have plenty of iodine left to make another batch for just 30€ if you buy another 200 gr iodide. And even then, you still have 50 gr. iodine left. It's very cheap and you know whats in it.

Edit: since you are in the US, I don't know if amazon ships there too, but if not, you could look up iodine that is resublimed i.e. small spherical balls which is also elemental iodine that takes this form after a cleaning process. You don't necessarily need broken iodine crystals, which often are not that pure.

 

[Kay Kim]

Potassium Iodide
Information about the benefits of potassium iodide that contributes to overall health in thyroid functions, the therapeutic versatility of iodide, and how to use it, is on the page 5, reply #71-76 by Laura.
But I researched more about KI use in radiation emergencies.

CDC- Center for Disease Control and prevention, Fact sheet.

Potassium Iodide(KI) is a salt of stable(not radioactive) iodine. Stable iodine is an important chemical needed by the body to make thyroid hormones. Most of the stable iodine in our bodies comes from the food we eat. KI is stable iodine in a medicine form.

A nuclear event, radioactive isotopes of iodine may be released into the air and contaminate the local food supply and get into the eating or drinking.
Then our body is in internal contamination with radioactive iodine by thyroid gland absorbs radioactive iodine chemical.
In this case KI cannot prevent radioactive iodine from entering the body, because the thyroid gland cannot tell the difference between stable and radioactive iodine.

But when person take KI, the stable iodine in the medicine gets absorbed by the thyroid, and because KI contains so much stable iodine, the thyroid gland becomes "Full" and cannot absorb any more iodine-either stable or radioactive -for the next 24 hours.

How much KI should take?
The FDA has approved two different forms of KI-tablets and liquid.
Tablet come in two strengths, 130 mg, and 65 mg.
Oral liquid solution contains 65 mg KI.

According to FDA, following doses are appropriate to take after internal contamination with radioactive iodine.
. Adults- 130 mg.
. Children between 3-18 years- 65 mg.
. Infants and children between 1 month to 3 years- 32 mg(1/2 of 65 mg tablet).
. Newborns from birth to 1 month- 16 mg(1/4 of 65 mg tablet)

A single dose of KI protects the thyroid gland for 24 hours.
Taking a higher dose or taking more often than recommended dose not offer more protection and can cause severe illiness or death.

HPS( Health Physics Society) fact sheet.

The thyroid gland is constantly removing iodine from the bloodstream, therefore, if stable iodine(KI) is taken shortly before or after radioactive iodine enter the body, the thyroid gland will absorb the iodine that it needs, including from the stable KI, consequently, less radioactive iodine will be absorbed and much of the radioactive iodine will be eliminated from the boy in a week or two.

"Thyroid and Public Health"
Potassium iodide(KI) is the same form of iodine used to iodize table salt.
Basically is a salt that is cheap to make with an almost unlimited shelf life.

If you don't have a thyroid gland, or you already had your thyroid gland ablated by radioactive iodine( as in Grave's Disease) you don't need to worry about taking potassium iodide.

Prolonged use may result in symptoms of iodism, metallic taste in the mouth, headache, confusion, hand numbness ....
But most side effect regress rapidly after discontinuation.

 

[Finduilas495]

Look after yourself, Finduilas495. Best wishes to the two of you.

And to you, Ysus, take good care Hope you'll feel better soon!

[quote author=Ysus]
I am giving myself at least 2 days rest (while taking the salt and vitamins and drinking a lot of water) and will not take more than 2 drops when I start again.

Something odd: halfway into this post I started to cry and it turned into a veritable crying fit. Anyway, feeling better now.

In a sense I am weirdly glad about these iodine adventures because they seem to make me want to share more on the forum.
[/quote]

Same here. I can relate to being particularly emotional, and am wondering if detoxing is happening on more than one level.

 

[caballero reyes]

Re: Iodine and Potassium Iodide.
« Reply #466 of caballero reyes on: November 27, 2015, 07:35:50 PM »

Correction to reply 437.

At local pharmacies only have Tiodine/Isodine, it is for thyroid patients The right question is: can be taken iodine to prevent disease, without necessarily being sick, just to increase health?
I apologize if this has already been answered.

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Iodine - Suppressed That knowledge can change your life.

Gabriela Segura, M.D.
Sott.net
Thu, 03 Dec 2015 15:45 UTC

Thanks for this explanatory SOTTarticle.

 

[Kay Kim]

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[on_strike_usaexpat]

Supposedly Chile is the largest producer of iodine in the world so one would think Lugol’s would be easy to come by here. I discovered it is not except for the stuff sold for reagent use or non-Lugol’s concoctions with alcohol for topical use.

I finally did find USP grade potassium iodide and 99.8% pure iodine at a chemical shop in Santiago that ships to all parts of Chile. Regarding the iodine purity, I found an exporters data sheet for Chile origin APC/USP/EP grade iodine and the spec sheet states that it is at least 99.5% pure so 99.8% should be pure enough.

When I did my initial web search for the components, I found that a lot of iodine crystals are marketed and exported from China so buyer beware of the origin of your ingredients.

 

[Beau]

Hey Gang, I was thinking of making my own Lugol's - has anyone attempted that yet? I found KI crystals on amazon, 1lb for $100... but I can't seem to find iodine crystals. Anyone have a suggested supplier?

We used these two products and made our own:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NAD4DSY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013Q1Y514?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

 

[arpaxad]

One metric drop should be 0.5 ml ( but this is subjective so instead of pipette I suggest using 1 ml syringe) this equals 0.5 grams.

I don't think that's correct - one drop is usually 0.05ml or 20 drops to 1 ml, but as you pointed out, this is not always true, depending on the bottle type (horizontal or vertical drop type) and manufacturing.

So maybe best to calibrate - if you have a 1ml syringe, you can suck 1ml into the dropper and count - or use a precision scale to count the drops that add up to 1 g.

I've been told that a typical pipette (like those in the tincture bottles) makes 30 drops/1 mL. Instead of a syringe, you can use a measuring kitchen spoon. 1 teaspoon (tsp) = 5 ml. 0.5 tsp = 2.5 mL, etc.

 

[Alada]

Dr. Robert Rowen informs that iodine reduces the activity of lipoprotein(a). When elevated, this protein can lead to excessive blood clotting and vascular disease. Iodine has been used successfully in headaches, keloid formation, parotid duct stones, and Dupuytren's and Peyronie's contractures. Doses up to six times the RDA have been used safely for months to combat the excessive mucous in chronic lung diseases. He also states that Iodine is found in large amounts in the brain (including the parts of the brain associated with Parkinson's disease) and the ciliary body of the eye, a possible factor in glaucoma.

Re. Parkinson’s, I thought this was an interesting tidbit below from a post seen on Facebook this morning, where a guy had a brain implant to help with his hand tremors, the post is here. Many here have reported a metallic taste, and some a ‘twitchy / spiky’ nervous energy kind of thing. So I wonder if that might be connected with the thalamus getting 're-booted’?

"Patrick had a probe in his brain turned on to stop the Parkinson's tremour in his hand. In this video you can see the moment that his hand stops shaking for the first time...

More and more people are asking about the surgery, so I thought I would share a bit about it here. Patrick Hennebery had Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) in October. As far we know, Dr Christopher Honey is the only doctor in BC who does this type of surgery. He receives thousands of referrals but can only take 30 people per year, so Patrick is very fortunate. (In Canada, the surgery is free, but is not accessible to many. In the states, we are told that it is considered elective and a patient can pay $150,000 if they would like the procedure.) Ok, here is the science-y part: During the surgery, a probe with 4 points of contact is placed into the thalamus. As we understand it, it is placed there to interrupt the electrical cycle that is misfiring and causes the Parkinson's tremor. The video shows the very first time they turned on the probe. Afterwards, the nurse refined the programming even further. As she was making adjustments, Patrick would experience side effects like the inability to form words, slurred speech, metallic tastes and buzzing in his hand and on his tongue. Pretty cool, how the brain functions! Over time, as his tremor changes with the disease, the programming can be adjusted."

 

[PERLOU]

Un grand merci à tous pour vos partages d'expériences plus passionnantes les unes que les autres...
En fait je n'ai pas arrêté mon Lugol 12% 5 gouttes, j'ai continué tout simplement aux mêmes doses, Eau salée Celtique au lever, petit déjeuner Vit. C et B3 complexe, Glycine dans mon thé, je n'ai pas encore reçu mon Selenium d'Amazon... Je vais bien et n'est plus du tout d'effets de désintoxication...
Merci pour vos liens mais le Lugol n'est qu'à 5% : http://www.sante-detox.com/acides-amines/151-solution-d-iode-du-dr-clark.html

One thank you very much in all for your distributions of more exciting experiments them some than the others...
In fact I did not stop my Lugol 12 % 5 drops, I went on simply in the same doses, Celtic salt Water in the survey, breakfast Saw. C and complex B3, Wisteria in my tea, I have not accepted my Selenium d' Amazon yet... I go well and is not any more of the whole of effects of detoxification...
Thank you for your links but Lugol is only in 5 %: http: // www.sante-detox.com / acides-amines / 151-solution-d-iode-du-dr-clark.html

 

[RedFox]

One thank you very much in all for your distributions of more exciting experiments them some than the others...
In fact I did not stop my Lugol 12 % 5 drops, I went on simply in the same doses, Celtic salt Water in the survey, breakfast Saw. C and complex B3, Wisteria in my tea, I have not accepted my Selenium d' Amazon yet... I go well and is not any more of the whole of effects of detoxification...
Thank you for your links but Lugol is only in 5 %: http: // www.sante-detox.com / acides-amines / 151-solution-d-iode-du-dr-clark.html

Make sure to take the vitamin C at least 2 hours after the Lugols.

 

[Konstantin]

Some more information about iodine deficiency and gastric cancer.

ALTORJAY, CARRASCO
Expression of the Na+/I- symporter (NIS) is markedly decreased or absent in gastric cancer and
intestinal metaplastic mucosa of Barrett esophagus
Altorjay A, Dohán O, Szilágyi A, Paroder M, Irene L. Wapnir IL, Carrasco N
BMC Cancer 2007, 7:5.

Background: The sodium/iodide symporter (NIS) is a plasma membrane glycoprotein that mediates
iodide (I-) transport in the thyroid, lactating breast, salivary glands, and stomach. Whereas NIS
expression and regulation have been extensively investigated in healthy and neoplastic thyroid and
breast tissues, little is known about NIS expression and function along the healthy and diseased
gastrointestinal tract.

Methods: Thus, we investigated NIS expression by immunohistochemical analysis in 155
gastrointestinal tissue samples and by immunoblot analysis in 17 gastric tumors from 83 patients.

Results: Regarding the healthy GI tract, we observed NIS expression exclusively in the basolateral
region of the gastric mucin-producing epithelial cells. In gastritis, positive NIS staining was observed in
these cells both in the presence and absence of Helicobacter pylori. Significantly, NIS expression was
absent in gastric cancer, independently of its histological type. Only focal faint NIS expression was
detected in the direct vicinity of gastric tumors, i.e., in the histologically intact mucosa, the expression
becoming gradually stronger and linear farther away from the tumor. Barrett mucosa with junctional
and fundic-type columnar metaplasia displayed positive NIS staining, whereas Barrett mucosa with
intestinal metaplasia was negative. NIS staining was also absent in intestinalized gastric polyps.

Conclusions: That NIS expression is markedly decreased or absent in case of intestinalization or
malignant transformation of the gastric mucosa suggests that NIS may prove to be a significant tumor
marker in the diagnosis and prognosis of gastric malignancies and also precancerous lesions such as
Barrett mucosa, thus extending the medical significance of NIS beyond thyroid disease.

As i have read the Dr.Brownstein book NIS symporter is some kind of a iodine transport system in the body.So if NIS is low that means that he dont have enough iodine to transport to every cell in the body. So adding iodine will increase the NIS.

There are more interesting papers on the provided link

GULABOGLU
Comparison of iodine contents in gastric cancer and surrounding normal tissues
Gulaboglu M, Yildiz L, Celebi F, Gul M, Peker K
Clin Chem Lab Med. 2005;43(6):581-4.

It has been suggested that iodine plays an important role in gastric cancer. Gastric cancer ranks first
among the cancers in the north-eastern Anatolia region, Turkey, where iodine deficiency is common.
In this study, iodine levels were determined in gastric cancer and surrounding normal tissues in 19
patients with gastric cancer. Tissue iodine levels were determined by the Foss method based on the
Sandell-Kolt-hoff reaction. Tissue iodine levels were lower in gastric cancer tissue (17.8+/-3.4 ng I/mg
protein, mean+/-SEM) compared with surrounding normal tissue (41.7+/-8.0 ng I/mg protein) (p<0.
001). There was positive correlation between the iodine levels in gastric cancer tissue and
surrounding normal tissue (r = 0.845, p<0.001). There was no significant difference in iodine levels in
cancer and surrounding normal tissue between male and female subjects. The iodine deficiency in our
region may be one of the factors for increased gastric cancer prevalence. Our results support the
hypothesis that iodine plays an important role in gastric cancer development.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Hey Gang, I was thinking of making my own Lugol's - has anyone attempted that yet? I found KI crystals on amazon, 1lb for $100... but I can't seem to find iodine crystals. Anyone have a suggested supplier?

I've been taking 50mg from drops of lugol's for about 2-3 weeks now and I feel incredible. Occasionally getting odd headaches, but they seem to have been happening more in the beginning and I think it was a detox symptom.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=iodine+crystals+prill
Got 50g from there and 200 of usp foodgrade ki cheapest on ebay, look for US sellers.
Both USP 99.9% grade and the same brand as what Heimdallr linked, just I got my KI from ebay instead.

I made some and compared darkness of the drops in water. It's good! I also made some SSKI.

Take the amount of distilled water you want, warm it up. Dissolve the intended amount of KI in it. Then after it's dissolved, add the solid iodine crystals (or prilled) into the solution. You can let it sit overnight, or stir / cover and shake.

SSKI is a bit trickier. You warm up the water. Then you keep slowly adding KI until you see some that doesn't dissolve.

I made a batch of modified Lugol's. Instead of 1:2 ratio of iodine:KI it has more KI. The drops are lighter, the solution is much less caustic too! So far so good, besides occasional left eye twitching (that I can't even see!)

 

[davey72]

I was in the pharmacy of my small town recently and they only sell topical iodine but the ingredients list only iodine and potassium iodide. Would this be safe to injest and if no then why not?

EDIT: Also would topical iodine be absorbed into the body? Is this an efficient way of using iodine?

GABY

 

[davey72]

I was in the pharmacy of my small town recently and they only sell topical iodine but the ingredients list only iodine and potassium iodide. Would this be safe to injest and if no then why not?

EDIT: Also would topical iodine be absorbed into the body? Is this an efficient way of using iodine?

Was this just a dumb question? Its just that the bottles say for topical use o. why would that be?