Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Miss.K]

I have had sore tonsils for the last weak. It started after a 3 day break from iodine (lugos 12%, 1 drop a day), and might be just an infection (I was feeling quite bad the days before it started).
The day after they got sore, I started SSKI 1 drop a day and started micro silica + kept on with the lugos 1 drop a day (also doing cilantro/clorella detox and some vitamins/minerals and selenium)

I feel a bit better in general (might be the micro silica or the SSKI or the whole thing may have started to work) but the tonsils keep being sore (I've taken lots of garlic oil, but no change, though it might have been worse had I not)

So I wanted to ask to be sure:
Can sore tonsils be thyroid problems?

(I'm terribly behind on reading, but have the impression that one should be alert if having thyroid problems while taking iodine)

-I am taking melatonin, so Konstantins post made me wonder if I shouldn't (I don't want to stop melatonin unless necessary as it is a great help in sleeping better and general wellbeing)

 

[Konstantin]

I have had sore tonsils for the last weak. It started after a 3 day break from iodine (lugos 12%, 1 drop a day), and might be just an infection (I was feeling quite bad the days before it started).
The day after they got sore, I started SSKI 1 drop a day and started micro silica + kept on with the lugos 1 drop a day (also doing cilantro/clorella detox and some vitamins/minerals and selenium)

I feel a bit better in general (might be the micro silica or the SSKI or the whole thing may have started to work) but the tonsils keep being sore (I've taken lots of garlic oil, but no change, though it might have been worse had I not)

So I wanted to ask to be sure:
Can sore tonsils be thyroid problems?

(I'm terribly behind on reading, but have the impression that one should be alert if having thyroid problems while taking iodine)

-I am taking melatonin, so Konstantins post made me wonder if I shouldn't (I don't want to stop melatonin unless necessary as it is a great help in sleeping better and general wellbeing)

First time after iodine i also feeled like my tonsils are inflamed.Then, after a few days the pain moved lower and concentrated on one spot on the thyroid. After blood test, only elevated TSH.
Then second time the morning after i took 1.5 mg Melatonin the same pain in the same spot, although in can radiate towar the tonsil on the same side but its not a tonsil infection. Another blood test and everything was ok this time
And last week for a third time after everything was painless again, i took another dose of melatonin 1.5 mg and next morning the same condition developed. So yes i suspect that melatonin have some part in all this. Now few days after that last melatonin dose i feel the same thyroid pain once again. Today its even stronger.
I also took some selenium this morning, and also some ALA , chlorella.

So the best way to know is to do some blood tests and see how the thyroid parameters are. Maybe it will be to stop with iodine for a few days and see how will you feel.
For me melatonin , after i introdiced iodine to my system is not making me good. In fact , after iodine it makes my sleep worst and my thyroid painful. Before iodine i had such a nice sleep with melatonin. Instead of Melatonin now i`m using little more Magnesium befoire sleep and its making wonders . So , i dont know, maybe you can try to stop melatonine for a some time and observe your reaction.

 

[Miss.K]

I have had sore tonsils for the last weak. It started after a 3 day break from iodine (lugos 12%, 1 drop a day), and might be just an infection (I was feeling quite bad the days before it started).
The day after they got sore, I started SSKI 1 drop a day and started micro silica + kept on with the lugos 1 drop a day (also doing cilantro/clorella detox and some vitamins/minerals and selenium)

I feel a bit better in general (might be the micro silica or the SSKI or the whole thing may have started to work) but the tonsils keep being sore (I've taken lots of garlic oil, but no change, though it might have been worse had I not)

So I wanted to ask to be sure:
Can sore tonsils be thyroid problems?

(I'm terribly behind on reading, but have the impression that one should be alert if having thyroid problems while taking iodine)

-I am taking melatonin, so Konstantins post made me wonder if I shouldn't (I don't want to stop melatonin unless necessary as it is a great help in sleeping better and general wellbeing)

First time after iodine i also feeled like my tonsils are inflamed.Then, after a few days the pain moved lower and concentrated on one spot on the thyroid. After blood test, only elevated TSH.
Then second time the morning after i took 1.5 mg Melatonin the same pain in the same spot, although in can radiate towar the tonsil on the same side but its not a tonsil infection. Another blood test and everything was ok this time
And last week for a third time after everything was painless again, i took another dose of melatonin 1.5 mg and next morning the same condition developed. So yes i suspect that melatonin have some part in all this. Now few days after that last melatonin dose i feel the same thyroid pain once again. Today its even stronger.
I also took some selenium this morning, and also some ALA , chlorella.

So the best way to know is to do some blood tests and see how the thyroid parameters are. Maybe it will be to stop with iodine for a few days and see how will you feel.
For me melatonin , after i introdiced iodine to my system is not making me good. In fact , after iodine it makes my sleep worst and my thyroid painful. Before iodine i had such a nice sleep with melatonin. Instead of Melatonin now i`m using little more Magnesium befoire sleep and its making wonders . So , i dont know, maybe you can try to stop melatonine for a some time and observe your reaction.

Thank you Konstantin,

I think I'll try to stop the melatonin for a few weeks and see if it helps. Unless I should stop the iodine..?

I have to read up to be able to understand what kind of blood test I have to get, so until then, I think I'd rather be without the melatonin than the iodine as I think I'm getting some energy from the iodine, and getting more energy is first priority at the moment for me (without it nothing will get done and trying to read medical stuff will result in the letters starting to have a party and dance around, making no sense at all)

I am taking Magnesium before bed too.

 

[Konstantin]

For about 10 days on light detox protocol with Chlorela,Cilantro and ALA. No detox reactions noticed. I feel good.
Yesterday i made another experiment with melatonin. 2-3 weeks ago when i took 1.5mg melatonin i noticed pain in my thyroid.
YEsterday evening i decided to try it again the same dosage of 1.5 mg. And again the same situation, just not so severe as the last time. Before iodine i dont have any problems with melatonine with the doses up to 6 mg.
This morning after a restless sleep with melatonine i have a light pain in my thyroid again.
I tried to search and find if there is any connection between these 2 things , and i found this:

Melatonin and Thyroid Health

So how does melatonin relate to thyroid health? As I mentioned earlier, melatonin is secreted by the pineal gland, and this also is a source of thytrophin-releasing hormone (TRH), which in turn causes the body to release TSH, which signals for the secretion of thyroid hormone. But melatonin may also have a direct effect on thyroid hormone production by stimulating TSH (11). One study involving perimenopausal and menopausal women showed that taking 3mg of melatonin for three to six months can increase the levels of thyroid hormone (12). So although most cases of hypothyroidism are caused by Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, one also should consider the impact that melatonin has on thyroid health.

Because melatonin might increase thyroid hormone production, people with hyperthyroidism and Graves’ Disease might wonder whether they should avoid supplementing with melatonin. If someone with a hyperthyroid condition has a deficiency in melatonin, then taking a melatonin supplement probably won’t cause any problems. On the other hand, if someone doesn’t have a melatonin deficiency but chooses to take melatonin supplements then it might increase the hyperthyroid symptoms. Just remember what I said earlier about wanting to address the cause of the melatonin deficiency, as even if someone has a hypothyroid condition they don’t want to rely on melatonin supplements for a prolonged period of time.

So i guess that melatonine is also activating the iodine symporter system mechanism and maybe its not a good idea to take melatonine in the same time while someone is supplementing with iodine, because it can overstimulate the TSH. Well it was probably the case in my situation.

I know that there is something related between Melatonin and Thyroid. So i have done little more research this morning.

Morphofunctional state of the thyroid gland (TG) of young rats after exposure of exogenous melatonin in the spring and autumn periods was investigated. Exogenous melatonin (Unipharm Inc., USA) was administered to experimental group of animals daily at a dose 5 mg/kg. The duration of the experiment was 28 days. It was shown an increase of the cross-section area of follicles by 31% and colloid by 30% (in spring), reduction of the area of follicle epithelium by 12% (in autumn), an increase in the follicle internal diameter and a decline in the thyroid epithelium height by 12% (in autumn) in TG of experimental groups rats. Also it was shown a decline of follicle-colloid index and growth of colloid accumulation index, reduction amount of interfollicular islets. The introduction of melatonin in the spring period brought down the amount of connecting tissue elements. Melatonin introduction in the autumn period reduced the thickness of connective tissue trabecules in TG. The introduction of melatonin in the spring period resulted in more substantial changes in the structure of TG, as compared to an autumn experiment.
Thus, melatonin administered both in the spring and in the autumn periods reduces the functional activity and physiological regeneration of TG.

Melatonin is an indoleamine with multiple functions in both plant and animal species. In addition to data in literature describing many other important roles for melatonin, such as antioxidant, circadian rhythm controlling, anti-aging, antiproliferative or immunomodulatory activities, our group recently reported that thyroid C-cells synthesize melatonin and suggested a paracrine role for this molecule in the regulation of thyroid activity. To discern the role played by melatonin at thyroid level and its involvement in the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis, in the present study we have analyzed the effect of thyrotropin in the regulation of the enzymatic machinery for melatonin biosynthesis in C cells as well as the effect of melatonin in the regulation of thyroid hormone biosynthesis in thyrocytes. Our results show that the key enzymes for melatonin biosynthesis (AANAT and ASMT) are regulated by thyroid-stimulating hormone. Furthermore, exogenous melatonin increases thyroglobulin expression at mRNA and protein levels on cultured thyrocytes and this effect is not strictly mediated by the upregulation of TTF1 or, noteworthy, PAX8 transcription factors. The present data show that thyroid C-cells synthesize melatonin under thyroid-stimulating hormone control and, consistently with previous data, support the hypothesis of a paracrine role for C-cell-synthesised melatonin within the thyroid gland. Additionally, in the present study we show evidence for the involvement of melatonin in thyroid function by directly-regulating thyroglobulin gene expression in follicular cells.

So if thyroid C-cells can synthesize melatonin under regulation of TSH, then iodine introduction that increased TSH also disturbed or awakened those Thyroid C-cells or some mechanisam in them and they started to produce melatonine.( or they significantly increased melatonine production) When i took melatonine pill, i increased the total melatonin in my body to a level higher then i need so maybe C-cells needed to decrease their melatonine production.BEcause they are TSH regulated , that means there must be also some change in TSH level after i took melatonine, and that TSH variation is reason why i feel the pain in the thyroid. Also all that melatonine "overdose" made my sleep very bad the night when i took it. Few days after the pain is still present because of TSH variation and maybe c-cells are trying to normalize their melatonine production since no more external source of melatonine is available.

This is just mine theory, how i understand this connection.
So now since iodine awakened the thyroid , maybe a much smaller doses of melatonin are needed in order to achieve the same results as with higher doses before iodine was introduced to the body, since now the thyroid can produce its own melatonine.

 

[Konstantin]

And here is one interesting paper from Iodineresearch.com

The subject is "The Role Iodine, Thyroid Hormones and Melatonin - Aetiology of Breast Cancer"

_http://iodineresearch.com/files/clur_1988_di_iodothyronine_oestrogen_receptors_breast_cancer.pdf

Its full with medical terms inside so it will be nice if somebody with more medical knowledge could brig out the core of the subject from this paper.

 

[Gaby]

And here is one interesting paper from Iodineresearch.com

The subject is "The Role Iodine, Thyroid Hormones and Melatonin - Aetiology of Breast Cancer"

_http://iodineresearch.com/files/clur_1988_di_iodothyronine_oestrogen_receptors_breast_cancer.pdf

Its full with medical terms inside so it will be nice if somebody with more medical knowledge could brig out the core of the subject from this paper.

I had a quick look to the speculations in the paper. There is not enough data, but data available suggests that melatonin and iodine regulate estrogen, hence, they are protective against cancer. Hyperestrogenism promote breast, uterine and ovarian cancer. There is a dysregulation of estrogen metabolism when there is hypothyroidism and low levels of iodine.

 

[trendsetter37]

{snip}
-I am taking melatonin, so Konstantins post made me wonder if I shouldn't (I don't want to stop melatonin unless necessary as it is a great help in sleeping better and general wellbeing)

I would suggest seeing how well you sleep without the melatonin for reasons below.

{snip}

So if thyroid C-cells can synthesize melatonin under regulation of TSH, then iodine introduction that increased TSH also disturbed or awakened those Thyroid C-cells or some mechanisam in them and they started to produce melatonine.( or they significantly increased melatonine production) When i took melatonine pill, i increased the total melatonin in my body to a level higher then i need so maybe C-cells needed to decrease their melatonine production.BEcause they are TSH regulated , that means there must be also some change in TSH level after i took melatonine, and that TSH variation is reason why i feel the pain in the thyroid. Also all that melatonine "overdose" made my sleep very bad the night when i took it. Few days after the pain is still present because of TSH variation and maybe c-cells are trying to normalize their melatonine production since no more external source of melatonine is available.

This is just mine theory, how i understand this connection.
So now since iodine awakened the thyroid , maybe a much smaller doses of melatonin are needed in order to achieve the same results as with higher doses before iodine was introduced to the body, since now the thyroid can produce its own melatonine.

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that while taking Iodine my body pretty much shuts down around 10:30pm - 11pm. Whereas before I was pretty indifferent in regards to sleep around bedtime. I don't have issues falling asleep when I get into bed but there usually was never a point to where I couldn't hold my eyes open. Same thing with melatonin. I didn't feel that different when taking melatonin or it was intermittent. Sometimes I would get drowsy while others I would be a little groggy in the morning.

However, with Iodine and no melatonin there is a definite "I better get in the bed or I'm waking up the next day right HERE". I haven't had that nice "sleeping like a baby" feeling since I was a child. And it's not a feeling of being tired throughout the day but rather a definite shutdown time at night. So what you've found there Konstantin sheds more light on some of my recent experiences. Thank you!

 

[Miss.K]

I would suggest seeing how well you sleep without the melatonin for reasons below.

yes I'm stopping melatonin for the moment. :)

 

[A Jay]

To start, I've had amalgam fillings since since elementary school, so I'm fairly certain that I've got a pretty heavy mercury load. I'm making an appointment this week with a local dentist to see about getting them removed and replaced. As well as taking care of my severely receding gumline around my lower canines, which I've been avoiding doing anything about for some time. I'm a fairly aggressive brusher and have had a teeth grinding habit at night for as long as I can remember. Which I'm sure contributed to the gumline receding and the teeth grinding has likely added even more mercury to my system over the years.

My experience of receding gums is that it is diet related, particularly carbs. Also, don't brush do hard! Once you've had the amalgams removed you can start with rounds of DMSA. I reckon you'll notice a general improvement after 6 cycles or so.

I went to the dentist earlier today and found out some very good news!

First, I don't have any amalgam fillings! All this time I've spent beating myself up over not looking into getting them removed and fretting over the cost of having it done, and it turns out it was all for nothing! Apparently I have dental sealants, which according to my dentist look good and so I have nothing to worry about in this respect. From what I can find there's some sealants that can have a component that when mixed with saliva can turn into BPA, but it's not in all sealants and the majority of the compound can be removed with scrubbing after the dental work is completed. Considering the sealants are from years ago, I can't find anything that suggests there would be any BPA leeching at this point. Assuming of course that the type of sealants that I have contained the compound in the first place. There may, however, be other things in the sealants that may pose a health risk, but nothing at this point suggests any immediate cause for alarm. OSIT.

Second, my gumline isn't receding! All this time I've spent worrying about my teeth falling out, which lead to me feeling anxious and caused me to grind my teeth more, which lead to me worrying more about losing my teeth, etc., was also for nothing! I definitely had a good laugh at myself when I realized what I've put myself through psychologically and emotionally by not dealing with what I thought were real issues. I was told that I did have some decalcification of my lower canines, but that those teeth are naturally much longer and I didn't have anything to worry about as far as receding gums or periodontal disease goes.

In summation, I may not have such a toxic system after all. I'm still looking into getting some testing done to see what kind of HM load I'm dealing with exactly, and definitely plan to lighten up on the brushing. But at least these are two things I don't have to worry about! :D

As an aside, I remembered somewhat recently of when I was a preteen my mother had everyone in my family taking shots of this organic seaweed juice mixed with fresh carrot juice every day for months, if not years. I remember really liking the seaweed juice after a while and felt more energized and alert when I took. Must have been some iodine in the elixir!

 

[Lilou]

That is good news, AJay! No amalgams or receding gums. So does that mean the sealants are silver colored, like amalgams?

 

[A Jay]

That is good news, AJay! No amalgams or receding gums. So does that mean the sealants are silver colored, like amalgams?

I can't see anything silver just by opening my mouth, so I'm going to say no.

Doing more research, it seems there may yet be cause for concern.

Resin based sealants

It is customary to refer to the development of resin based sealants in generations:[13][14]

First generation: set with UV curing.[14] They are no longer marketed.[13]
Second generation: chemical-curing (autopolymerized).[13][14]
Third generation: visible light-cured.[13][14]
Fourth generation: contain fluoride.

Glass ionomer sealants

GIC materials bond both to enamel and dentine after being cleaned with polyacrylic acid conditioner.[7] Some other advantages GIC’s have is that they contain fluoride and are less moisture sensitive, with suggestions being made that despite having poor retention, they may prevent occlusal caries even after the sealant has fallen out due to their ability to release fluoride.

 

[monotonic]

Oh, now I remember I don't have any either. I think mine were sealants cured with light. They were "cherry flavor".

 

[kanader]

I need some advice from those of you who already had a blood test. Since I’ve started with Iodine, I never had one done and I think it's important to know where one stand. This will also certainly help with any future dosage. So I'm planning of having one and found a Lab who run all kind of test for institution (Hospital, Clinic) and for private. Since I'm planning on doing this without going through my Doc (too conservative), the Lab need to know exactly what kind of test I'm looking for . Could someone please point me to the right direction here ?
Is there a standard Thyroid test ? Like the below quote from Konstantin ? Or should I be more specific?

I have just received the Blood test results.

Here they are in a comparation with the previous ones, 1 month earlier.

26-01-2016 22-02-2016

T3 - 4.9 pmol/L [ 3.3 - 6.1] T3 - 5.0 pmol/L [ 3.3 - 6.1]
T4 - 15.8 pmol/L [ 10-25] T4 - 16.9 pmol/L [ 10-25]
TSH - 5.76 ulU/ml [ 0.4 - 4.0] TSH - 2.74 ulU/ml [ 0.4 - 4.0]


Total Lipids 16.1g/L [ 5.0 - 10.0] Total Lipids 16.0g/L [ 5.0 - 10.0]
Triglycerides 3.14 mmol/L [ up to 2.0 ] Triglycerides 3.68 mmol/L [ up to 2.0 ]
Total Cholesterol 12.6 mmol/L [ up to 5.7 ] Total Cholesterol 12.2 mmol/L [ up to 5.7 ]
HDL - 0.68 mmol/L [ 0.9 - 2.0] HDL - 0.65 mmol/L [ 0.9 - 2.0]
LDL - 9.9 mmol/L [ up to 3.9] LDL - 2.28 mmol/L [ up to 3.9]

What about heavy metals? Is there any standard test for neurotoxins ? Or just mentioning their names suffice ?

Thank you all !

 

[Konstantin]

I need some advice from those of you who already had a blood test. Since I’ve started with Iodine, I never had one done and I think it's important to know where one stand. This will also certainly help with any future dosage. So I'm planning of having one and found a Lab who run all kind of test for institution (Hospital, Clinic) and for private. Since I'm planning on doing this without going through my Doc (too conservative), the Lab need to know exactly what kind of test I'm looking for . Could someone please point me to the right direction here ?
Is there a standard Thyroid test ? Like the below quote from Konstantin ? Or should I be more specific?

I have just received the Blood test results.

Here they are in a comparation with the previous ones, 1 month earlier.

26-01-2016 22-02-2016

T3 - 4.9 pmol/L [ 3.3 - 6.1] T3 - 5.0 pmol/L [ 3.3 - 6.1]
T4 - 15.8 pmol/L [ 10-25] T4 - 16.9 pmol/L [ 10-25]
TSH - 5.76 ulU/ml [ 0.4 - 4.0] TSH - 2.74 ulU/ml [ 0.4 - 4.0]


Total Lipids 16.1g/L [ 5.0 - 10.0] Total Lipids 16.0g/L [ 5.0 - 10.0]
Triglycerides 3.14 mmol/L [ up to 2.0 ] Triglycerides 3.68 mmol/L [ up to 2.0 ]
Total Cholesterol 12.6 mmol/L [ up to 5.7 ] Total Cholesterol 12.2 mmol/L [ up to 5.7 ]
HDL - 0.68 mmol/L [ 0.9 - 2.0] HDL - 0.65 mmol/L [ 0.9 - 2.0]
LDL - 9.9 mmol/L [ up to 3.9] LDL - 2.28 mmol/L [ up to 3.9]

What about heavy metals? Is there any standard test for neurotoxins ? Or just mentioning their names suffice ?

Thank you all !

When i visited a doctors office and i complained about pain in a thyroid area, and he give me one paper where he write what kind of test should lab do. He wrote the TSH, T3 , t4 , blood lipid status and some more things but i dont remember now.. With that paper i went to a lab and they have done the tests that the doctor recomended.

Maybe you can just go there and explain to them what you want to be tested and they will recommend you what tests and how much it will cost. I dont know how is that functioning where you live.

 

[Gaby]

I need some advice from those of you who already had a blood test. Since I’ve started with Iodine, I never had one done and I think it's important to know where one stand. This will also certainly help with any future dosage.

You find your dosage from trial and error, seeing how you feel vs detox symptoms, never pushing too high too fast. Unless you have a specific disease or strong suspicions of hyperthyroidism, I don't see any point in doing blood tests with thyroid panel now. Ideally, those should be done 6-8 months after taking iodine regularly.

Blood tests is something that could be considered after there is troubleshooting despite working on detox symptoms and taking a break from iodine.

For heavy metals, you'll need a specialized lab like this one:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,40814.0.html (the website is microtraceminerals.com)