Is Coffee Good or Bad for you?

Data said:
Chocolate seems to have quite positive effects on health:

It is however a bean, with the chemical defenses one would expect. (And personally, I've previously found that large amounts of pure cocoa irritate my gut.)

And given an addiction problem (as in the case of Psyche), staying on it would make no sense. Staying on any food that gives a chemical high with accompanying negative effects makes no sense.

There are many plants that seem to do good things, but it is generally the case that it's not all good. As such, I think it generally makes sense to forfeit these benefits in order to avoid the detrimental effects - there are plenty of great benefits to a pure animal-based diet as it is, and the beneficial effects of many plants are likely ones that compensate for problems avoided by a good diet. Such is the case with the benefits mentioned in that article. Remember, these studies are done on people in general, eating what people in general eat.
 
Yesterday and this morning I had Earl Grey tea with butter but not sweetened at all. This was the first time I tried unsweetened buttered tea. Well, I think I've found a way to take the bitter edge off of black tea without stevia or xylitol. :)
 
Psalehesost said:
Data said:
Chocolate seems to have quite positive effects on health:

It is however a bean, with the chemical defenses one would expect. (And personally, I've previously found that large amounts of pure cocoa irritate my gut.)

Me too. I can eat it once in awhile, but I notice it when I do. I go weeks without it, then eat a bit over a couple days, and then stop because I notice it just makes me feel generally "less" though I can't describe how. Doesn't usually upset my tummy, just makes me drag a bit and I don't sleep so well.
 
Laura said:
Me too. I can eat it once in awhile, but I notice it when I do. I go weeks without it, then eat a bit over a couple days, and then stop because I notice it just makes me feel generally "less" though I can't describe how. Doesn't usually upset my tummy, just makes me drag a bit and I don't sleep so well.

It would then make sense to simply cut it out completely instead of continuing such a cycle. Much like I did before.
 
I have a great lead for buying loose leaf tea in bulk I wanted to share!!!

It's fresh/seasonal and many organics to choose from. And such a good price compared to the good stuff I was buying in the store in regular sizes - that Reshi brand. This website has just been a godsend for my tea habit :)

Here's a tip though, if you get a big bag, do not put it in a plastic bag, it will become stale immediately (as in tastes horrid)... I thought I was preventing the whole bag from going stale by portioning it out for work (it comes in this thicker, coated bag, metal looking, fwiw). You can buy reasonably priced samples too.

www(.)adagio.com

enjoy! :)

by the way - SeekinTruth thanks for the butter tip in lew of sweetener (& bitterness) - will try that!
 
Psalehesost said:
And given an addiction problem (as in the case of Psyche), staying on it would make no sense. Staying on any food that gives a chemical high with accompanying negative effects makes no sense.

Yeah, and I tried chocolate and/or cocoa with no sugar, that is, with stevia or xylitol. Yeah, it tasted so damn delicious! Not the kind of stimulation that helps my case though.
 
Psyche said:
Psalehesost said:
And given an addiction problem (as in the case of Psyche), staying on it would make no sense. Staying on any food that gives a chemical high with accompanying negative effects makes no sense.

Yeah, and I tried chocolate and/or cocoa with no sugar, that is, with stevia or xylitol. Yeah, it tasted so damn delicious! Not the kind of stimulation that helps my case though.

Hi Psyche

How do you take it? I mean what is the recipe you use to eat the cocoa with stevia? :)
 
SeekinTruth said:
Yesterday and this morning I had Earl Grey tea with butter but not sweetened at all. This was the first time I tried unsweetened buttered tea. Well, I think I've found a way to take the bitter edge off of black tea without stevia or xylitol. :)

When you say a tea with butter do you mean you put a teaspoon of butter in the tea? I want to try this but I am not sure of how many butter.
 
loreta said:
SeekinTruth said:
Yesterday and this morning I had Earl Grey tea with butter but not sweetened at all. This was the first time I tried unsweetened buttered tea. Well, I think I've found a way to take the bitter edge off of black tea without stevia or xylitol. :)

When you say a tea with butter do you mean you put a teaspoon of butter in the tea? I want to try this but I am not sure of how many butter.

Why not just try different amounts and see which works best? What's the worst that could happen? Too much butter is still good - it's butter!
 
anart said:
loreta said:
SeekinTruth said:
Yesterday and this morning I had Earl Grey tea with butter but not sweetened at all. This was the first time I tried unsweetened buttered tea. Well, I think I've found a way to take the bitter edge off of black tea without stevia or xylitol. :)

When you say a tea with butter do you mean you put a teaspoon of butter in the tea? I want to try this but I am not sure of how many butter.

Why not just try different amounts and see which works best? What's the worst that could happen? Too much butter is still good - it's butter!

Yup. I put from 1 to 1.5 tablespoon. But it's a matter of taste and how much fat you want to add. I consume about 150 to 175 grams of butter a day, so I have no negative reactions -- trying different amounts is the only way of finding out what's good for you. I loved buttered tea with stevia and xylitol too, really delicious. But unsweetened, it's also delicious just has no trace of sweet taste -- but also not bitter.
 
I wanted to add something to this conversation about chocolate.

Here’s some back story first in case this can help someone - I got some extensive blood work done this year to identify which foods I’m reacting to (not that IgG testing, some patented testing that does a whole blood immunological reaction observations, not isolated to just white blood reactions – sorry, that’s the best I can explain it, and their website is weak on description, “isolating immune intolerant reactions in vitro” www(.)nowleap.com ).

I heard about this testing in the book Achieving Victory Over A Toxic World by Mark Schauss – who, through this blood work, was able to identify that seemingly innocuous foods such as green beans were causing major seizures in their daughter. So I tried it to help me with my head & gut issues and it’s been a godsend.

With the risk of sounding like a commercial, I do want to talk about the test a little bit. Outside of foods & spices (see the attachment) it tests for 29 chemicals from potassium nitrate to Ibuprophen and FD&C# artificial colors. I think it’s interesting that there is a genetic component to these food reactions (my son has inherited my food intolerances – and I’m suspicious that my mom has similar complications). Half the foods are on my favorites list (makes sense from the perspective of not varying my diet, I’m a creature of habit – or comfort foods I consumed while on antibiotics). Others I’ve simply hated since the day I was born and never eat them anyway. And some I can see being directly related to my mother’s traditional diet (Eastern European, Polish).

It’s still a maze to navigate because one’s reaction is relative to the dose and combination, so some items in the “non-reactive” level I DO react to. Or, for example, if I have a large serving of potatoes, the next day I have that emotional apathy and overwhelm reaction all morning. And even if I have a few bites and no emotional reaction, I get something akin to “restless leg syndrome” – it keeps me up at night, even if my mind is sleeping, my body is tossing & turning and waking me up. I always just thought I was a “bad sleeper” – I’m really proud that I made this connection (it’s taken me yearssss to isolate this reaction), I just pieced this together this week and am just over the moon about it!

I know that much of these reactions can be figured out with an elimination diet. I’ve attempted to do it to no avail (as in willpower, lifestyle complications and cooking for the family issues intertwined in a way that I was never able to follow through all the way), that’s why I turned to this blood work.

Relevant to the coffee vs. caffeine discussion above, they do test for separately for them, but my suspicion is that there could be a third issue/chemical, tannic acid, which also found in black teas (it’s the dark coloring). I haven’t been able to isolate it yet (I have ovarian/estrogen reactions to coffee that have brought me to that topic).

Anyway enough preamble, on to CHOCOLATE!

What I’ve found out for me and my son is that we get an immediate reaction specifically to the lecithin ingredient (commonly soy lecithin) – it’s not “chocolate/coco” in and of itself. He gets blindly hyper where as I get blindly nasty. By the way, I love the conversation above about how chocolate & coffee are indeed a bean, and the whole lectins and phytic acid issue is there too! I’m not trying to counter that, just add to it with my personal experience.

Through MGS discussion boards I found out that there is one chocolate bar that does not have lecithin – for what it’s worth, it’s in the English/Import (not American) version of Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate Bars. I’m not bringing that up to encourage people to eat it, I know that’s inappropriate.

I’m bringing it up in case people are researching other topics via the search engine and perhaps this can be of some use – I do that all the time myself and you just find such treasures in the off-topic tangential conversations. Also, some people are in transition diets and this could be of use to them – or as in my case, giving my kid an occasional Yes about candy (I talked about this in the Halloween candy thread).
I’m just happy that I’m finally able to get a handle on this detrimental part of my life. We eat Palio at home. My husband needs to be strict about it and works on staying in ketosis, whereas I do not feel that I need to be in ketosis (I’m willing to admit I could be wrong, but one step at a time right now).

For my husband, he now has no asthma, arthritis, back/neck/leg pain, and no depression, anxiety, and anger issues either now. It’s truly been a miracle in our lives! I have never had those problems with my body, and had already gotten a good handle on my migraines & gut problems (by avoiding processed foods/colors/additives and quitting vegetarianism). But I still obviously need to heal my leaky gut issues and resent any interference in my generally upbeat productive mood (I also used to struggle with depression, anxiety and exaggerated anger).

Take care.
 

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HifromGrace said:
But I still obviously need to heal my leaky gut issues [...]

There you have a good reason to try out a strict meat-and-fat diet: Giving your gut a break and the chance to heal fully. Searching this board, there are discussions on the role of fiber and the fact that it leads to gut irritation in the short term, and serious damage in the long term when ingested in large ("normal") quantities. Lectins, saponins, etc. do not help either.

Should you want to give a plantless diet a go, do however read the Life Without Bread and Ketogenic Diet threads in full first - there's plenty of knowledge and experience shared of which some is likely to turn out helpful, or even essential, depending on the individual case.
 
Psalehesost said:
HifromGrace said:
But I still obviously need to heal my leaky gut issues [...]

There you have a good reason to try out a strict meat-and-fat diet: Giving your gut a break and the chance to heal fully. Searching this board, there are discussions on the role of fiber and the fact that it leads to gut irritation in the short term, and serious damage in the long term when ingested in large ("normal") quantities. Lectins, saponins, etc. do not help either.

Should you want to give a plantless diet a go, do however read the Life Without Bread and Ketogenic Diet threads in full first - there's plenty of knowledge and experience shared of which some is likely to turn out helpful, or even essential, depending on the individual case.


Good points - thanks.

This summer I started working with the GAPS diet - highly broth & probiotic based, and can start with a broth-fast to rest & heal the gut. But I've been suspicious about the fiber aspect of it. And, after reading elsewhere on this forum, about the need for MEAT based probiotics, again, I question her process (in terms of what is the goal? mine is NOT to return to a standard, carb-based, diet).

This diet knowledge (here) is so intense. Once in a while it's overwhelming (in the, "I've got a long way to go" kind of way, not in the "Ok, I'm going to shut down, this is hopeless" way). This weekend I'm doing a liver cleanse and then starting a colon cleanse. I am going to take a cold hard look at this fiber issue.
 

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