Atreides
Jedi Master
So epic.
And this song is like my new theme song:
And this song is like my new theme song:
Is gender a social construct?
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Atreides
Jedi Master
Camille Paglia on the trans-gender/gender identity issue.
Carl said:
Whoa.
That video took a hard right turn. -Makes enough sense to appeal to the angry and scared, and certainly will. -Based on a fully engineered situation. Why, it's almost as though it were all done on purpose with some goal in mind..! Hmmm.
-Let's not forget that the ideal world of the post-wave 4D alien controllers is one populated by an easily manageable planet's worth of doped up livestock where 97% of the 'containers' are used. These aggressive racial types from the Middle East and North Africa have been lined up for the chopping block for ages. -And have been handily supplied with the mother of all religious mind-programming jobs best suited to priming them for destruction.
This kind of video seems like the "switch" part of the "bait". Given enough of this kind of impetus, (they're after our wimmen!), we can be assured that the war fires will be lit brightly.
FWIW, I know both kinds of human; powerful women who know how to differentiate between what their monkey skins are programmed to seek, and what their souls would rather see actualized. The powerful make choices and their monkey bodies obey. -I also know powerful, masculine men who, gee whiz, don't rape and kill -because they know that they are in charge, not their monkey skins, and have no trouble exercising executive command.
That being said.., I've also known plenty of lower-functioning humans with very little control over their animal vehicles, whose machines are ticking along just fine without any interference from anything resembling a soul. It may well be that the latter group outnumbers the former. It may be that the healthiest civilizations really are ones based on patriarchal rule. (Though, clearly they can't be that healthy, since nobody has yet managed to solve for the psychopath).
Whatever the case...
I've felt for a while that there is a process at work whereby the human race is splitting into two separate species. I think I'm going to update that idea and suggest instead that this is simply the process of shifting from 3D into 4D.
3D is where simple lessons are learned.
Azur
The Living Force
Atreides said:
In the new Real(tm) world, I wonder how this would play out:
Woodsman said:
Splitting in two seems to be the common theme of everything now. In almost any area we can find 2 camps, both of whom are slightly right and mostly wrong, missing the big picture. Its so hard to find any balanced, nuanced discussion of things other than right here. It's like there is a force that splits everything into 2 extreme camps.
Video in question is an example. This movement sees legitimately the ruining of our society, and some real issues, and it wants to push back against whatever force is destroying us. But they miss the big picture and instead it is all a feminist conspiracy ran by the women who are inviting the Muzzie hoards to invade. I mean, is nobody capable of seeing nuance?
Palinurus said:Stumbled upon this one today. You're not going to believe this: a drag-queen boy of 8 years old from Canada.
YouTube said:
OMG... That made me sick. And the "dance" in the end, the "music"... And they say that boy is in a safe and secure environment??? With parents like that... In a less insane world, that child would have been removed from the parents' custody probably.
Scottie said:
The way he put it was quite interesting indeed!
I hadn't made that connection either. It makes sense when you also look at other situations, like the high incidence of child abuse among the clergy, for example. The more rules based on ridiculous "moral" premises, the more the subconscious acts up. Add to that psychopathy and several mental disorders, combined it with dangerous nihilism, and the result is really ugly.
Atreides
Jedi Master
This is very worth watching. She has an interesting perspective on child education.
Carl said:
Exactly. And videos/thoughts like these can be like mind-viruses for those who have not learned proper discernment; it's really dangerous. All in all, this video shows some incredibly faulty thinking IMO, quite staggering actually.
However, when watching something like this, I usually do the following: I pretend that the guy makes a valid point and a valid argument and try to 'suck the juice' out of it. (Turns out he presented a few interesting facts I didn't know about, and some of his conclusions are at least interesting.) But at the same time, I hold a different view ALSO in mind: that feminism was something justified, and that women have (had?) a valid point fighting for equal rights and so on.
This way, I neither reject content such as that in the video out of hand because it goes against some belief or another, but neither do I 'fall' for it. I think it's the right attitude that avoids splitting and actually leads to something. It's what we learn here I think, and I feel for all those people out there who are not as well-prepared as we are here; it's so damn easy to get your mind messed up. I surely can picture myself in the past falling for such things and becoming possessed by one ideology or another, or even many ideologies, depending on which 'little I' is active. It's a jungle out there!
Speaking of women, here is today's news from Ukraine where both "freedom and democracy" are getting more and more available:
Apparently, "gender equality" is what Ukraine needs more than anything right now in order to "establish peace and security in Ukraine". Right, who cares about fascism, when "gender equality" is in danger?
Well, we have already seen most spectacular return of Yulia Timoshenko and Nadezhda Savchenko from prison to the parliament of Ukraine. What next?
Apparently, "gender equality" is what Ukraine needs more than anything right now in order to "establish peace and security in Ukraine". Right, who cares about fascism, when "gender equality" is in danger?
Well, we have already seen most spectacular return of Yulia Timoshenko and Nadezhda Savchenko from prison to the parliament of Ukraine. What next?
Atreides
Jedi Master
The amusing thing to me is how what is going on today is very much a mirror of the 1960s.
For instance, there's quite a bit of musical production in the theme of protest type songs, here's some of my favorite examples:
And as a huge Goo Goo Dolls fan, I loved this one:
A great one:
My man, the people's champion, that's right, THE ROCK:
For instance, there's quite a bit of musical production in the theme of protest type songs, here's some of my favorite examples:
And as a huge Goo Goo Dolls fan, I loved this one:
A great one:
My man, the people's champion, that's right, THE ROCK:
StrangeCaptain
Jedi Council Member
I have already said on this thread, that although I have been ignoring these issues because they are boring, that you all have convinced me that it deserves some serious examination. I also said that I think, because of this thread and its various citations, that this weird flavor of progressive, Authoritarian Left is likely more dangerous than the Authoritarian right because many of the youth involved with the left stand to have policy-making influence over the next 5-15 years by evolving through the - intern --> staff --> future candidate - cycle.
And yet this video below, posted by Atreides, while making some great points is exactly why I hesitate to use the "opposition" as any kind of foundation in trying to create a coherent position from a combination of my own values and the seemingly scant number of facts I can glean.
My reactions to this video are a little complex. Just below Atreides' quoted material, I will try to describe my reactions in a brief and precise manner.
In fact, Atreides' last question is exactly why I doubt these videos that make fun of the SJWs and how they manifest their views in popular society.
While I laugh my butt off at all of the Youtube media poking fun of the SJWs, because c'mon... They are SUCH EASY TARGETS!!! When I start looking at the other material of those critical of the SJW movement, they seem to sooner or later reveal that they have no realistic policy ideas other than "SEND 'EM HOME!!!"
Especially the Kekistanis that I cited earlier... I haven't had such serious, from-the-gut laugh in awhile.
Maybe this Youtuber "Black Pigeon Speaks" has some coherent and historically influenced ideas in other videos that take into account the meddling of western powers to create a "weaponized Islam." I did not look at the rest of his stuff on purpose. Most of the SJW critics that I have looked into did not have in the rest of their materials any ideas more than to blame everything on X group of people.
The video makes a big deal of the British Red Cross. According to the Royal Charter of the British Red Cross, their object is the following:
"The objects for which the society is established are:
(1) to provide assistance to victims of armed conflict;
(2) to work for the improvement of health, for the prevention of disease and for the prevention and alleviation of human suffering in the British Islands and throughout the world."
It is essentially within their mission, if they see a bunch of people traveling long distances on leaky boats, to do something about it.
Now, is the Red Cross one of those NGOs that helps funnel intelligence agents and resources throughout the world in order to get up to no good? I don't know, but apparently, neither does the maker of the video.
Another thing that annoys me about this video, again before looking at the rest of the author's material, is the implication that the West is not seeing reality about some kind of Muslim threat. Again... Ignoring our own role in creating that threat... Again, ignoring the fact that the real percentage of radicals with respect to the number of Muslims seems to be tiny... Also ignoring the fact that Syrians, Lebanese, Iranians and Iraqis are essentially fighting street to street MAYBE AT THE MOMENT YOU READ THIS against this threat!!!
I am going to call mouthy Westerners from this moment on the Turd Right and the Turd Left. The Turd Right wants to create a narrative where they were the only ones gutsy enough to face reality. The Turd Left want to create a narrative where, if only we had a society inclusive enough to have codified law concerning the less than half of a percent of people that are confused about the parts they were born with, everything else will magically fall into place. The narrative of the Turd Right is more accessible, but that does not make them correct.
I don't believe anymore in a monolithic conspiracy except for maybe in higher densities where I simply don't have the information and perceptions necessary to making a proper judgement. Having said that, I would not be surprised if there are folks at the level, where they can discuss and propose social engineering, who have managed to create a weaponized left and a weaponized right. Now, they can sit back, enjoy the show, and then work to control whichever wins.
Please, do not make the mistake of confusing Peterson with Turd Right's opposition to the Turd Left. You can watch Youtube videos of Peterson saying that he believes both liberal and conservative voices are necessary to a healthy society and then see in the comments section simply foul statements against X group of people. The Turd Right has appropriated Peterson because he has a psychologically hygienic view of why to oppose the Turd Left, but I am certain that they do not understand his position.
Finally, and please don't read this unless you feel like it. I have a personal annoyance with the subject of this video. One Love concert?!?! Notice that the music in this video is a reggae style of music. Why?
A "One Love" concert is a reference to a reggae concert in Jamaica in the late 70s. Bob Marley was the star billing. At that time, there was a hotly contested election between the incumbent president and a "reform" candidate to the point that there were gun battles going on between something like death squads of the incumbent and counter-strikes by the opposition.
During this concert, Bob Marley asked the two candidates to come on stage and shake hands. At that time, according to reports, music had become such a part of the political landscape that neither candidate could dare refuse the request. It is quite chilling to watch Marley almost taunting the candidates to present themselves, and at the moment, a flash of lightning and thunder, underlining Marley's pleas for the candidates to present themselves as he dances and cries in an almost trance-like way.
Any of you that have participated in a religion that uses rhythmic music to induce trance could hear something special in this concert. First of all, some reggae is more like a hymn than a pop song. IMO, listening to this concert, you can hear Marley and his band snapping into trance state at certain moments. By the time he is demanding that the 2 presidential candidates present themselves on stage, IMO, it is clear that the whole band is in trance state. Combined with that strike of lightning, it really feels like one of the faces of God decided to say, "Hello, humans!"
This is however the exact reason the concert is so sad. It was very much a religious cry for peace, but I think we in this forum have a sense of the gulf between purely ecstatic religious feeling and manifesting a better system in the real world.
Thus, the idea of Ariana Grande and this concert naming themselves after this special moment in Jamaica where the players were sending out sounds trying to express their hunger for peace in the spirit of religiously inspired music is rather obscene.
I suppose this brings me back to why this strange progressive left is, after all their cries for equality, quite opposed to the what is good in the human spirit: they simply have no ability to understand what is obscene about their movement.
And yet this video below, posted by Atreides, while making some great points is exactly why I hesitate to use the "opposition" as any kind of foundation in trying to create a coherent position from a combination of my own values and the seemingly scant number of facts I can glean.
My reactions to this video are a little complex. Just below Atreides' quoted material, I will try to describe my reactions in a brief and precise manner.
Atreides said:
In fact, Atreides' last question is exactly why I doubt these videos that make fun of the SJWs and how they manifest their views in popular society.
While I laugh my butt off at all of the Youtube media poking fun of the SJWs, because c'mon... They are SUCH EASY TARGETS!!! When I start looking at the other material of those critical of the SJW movement, they seem to sooner or later reveal that they have no realistic policy ideas other than "SEND 'EM HOME!!!"
Especially the Kekistanis that I cited earlier... I haven't had such serious, from-the-gut laugh in awhile.
Maybe this Youtuber "Black Pigeon Speaks" has some coherent and historically influenced ideas in other videos that take into account the meddling of western powers to create a "weaponized Islam." I did not look at the rest of his stuff on purpose. Most of the SJW critics that I have looked into did not have in the rest of their materials any ideas more than to blame everything on X group of people.
The video makes a big deal of the British Red Cross. According to the Royal Charter of the British Red Cross, their object is the following:
"The objects for which the society is established are:
(1) to provide assistance to victims of armed conflict;
(2) to work for the improvement of health, for the prevention of disease and for the prevention and alleviation of human suffering in the British Islands and throughout the world."
It is essentially within their mission, if they see a bunch of people traveling long distances on leaky boats, to do something about it.
Now, is the Red Cross one of those NGOs that helps funnel intelligence agents and resources throughout the world in order to get up to no good? I don't know, but apparently, neither does the maker of the video.
Another thing that annoys me about this video, again before looking at the rest of the author's material, is the implication that the West is not seeing reality about some kind of Muslim threat. Again... Ignoring our own role in creating that threat... Again, ignoring the fact that the real percentage of radicals with respect to the number of Muslims seems to be tiny... Also ignoring the fact that Syrians, Lebanese, Iranians and Iraqis are essentially fighting street to street MAYBE AT THE MOMENT YOU READ THIS against this threat!!!
I am going to call mouthy Westerners from this moment on the Turd Right and the Turd Left. The Turd Right wants to create a narrative where they were the only ones gutsy enough to face reality. The Turd Left want to create a narrative where, if only we had a society inclusive enough to have codified law concerning the less than half of a percent of people that are confused about the parts they were born with, everything else will magically fall into place. The narrative of the Turd Right is more accessible, but that does not make them correct.
I don't believe anymore in a monolithic conspiracy except for maybe in higher densities where I simply don't have the information and perceptions necessary to making a proper judgement. Having said that, I would not be surprised if there are folks at the level, where they can discuss and propose social engineering, who have managed to create a weaponized left and a weaponized right. Now, they can sit back, enjoy the show, and then work to control whichever wins.
Please, do not make the mistake of confusing Peterson with Turd Right's opposition to the Turd Left. You can watch Youtube videos of Peterson saying that he believes both liberal and conservative voices are necessary to a healthy society and then see in the comments section simply foul statements against X group of people. The Turd Right has appropriated Peterson because he has a psychologically hygienic view of why to oppose the Turd Left, but I am certain that they do not understand his position.
Finally, and please don't read this unless you feel like it. I have a personal annoyance with the subject of this video. One Love concert?!?! Notice that the music in this video is a reggae style of music. Why?
A "One Love" concert is a reference to a reggae concert in Jamaica in the late 70s. Bob Marley was the star billing. At that time, there was a hotly contested election between the incumbent president and a "reform" candidate to the point that there were gun battles going on between something like death squads of the incumbent and counter-strikes by the opposition.
During this concert, Bob Marley asked the two candidates to come on stage and shake hands. At that time, according to reports, music had become such a part of the political landscape that neither candidate could dare refuse the request. It is quite chilling to watch Marley almost taunting the candidates to present themselves, and at the moment, a flash of lightning and thunder, underlining Marley's pleas for the candidates to present themselves as he dances and cries in an almost trance-like way.
Any of you that have participated in a religion that uses rhythmic music to induce trance could hear something special in this concert. First of all, some reggae is more like a hymn than a pop song. IMO, listening to this concert, you can hear Marley and his band snapping into trance state at certain moments. By the time he is demanding that the 2 presidential candidates present themselves on stage, IMO, it is clear that the whole band is in trance state. Combined with that strike of lightning, it really feels like one of the faces of God decided to say, "Hello, humans!"
This is however the exact reason the concert is so sad. It was very much a religious cry for peace, but I think we in this forum have a sense of the gulf between purely ecstatic religious feeling and manifesting a better system in the real world.
Thus, the idea of Ariana Grande and this concert naming themselves after this special moment in Jamaica where the players were sending out sounds trying to express their hunger for peace in the spirit of religiously inspired music is rather obscene.
I suppose this brings me back to why this strange progressive left is, after all their cries for equality, quite opposed to the what is good in the human spirit: they simply have no ability to understand what is obscene about their movement.
Carl said:
The whole situation looks pretty bleak for sure. The forces at work do seem to be unstoppable, kind of like the forces that seem to define the ups and downs or cycles of human history, which also seem to be pretty consistent throughout the ages in terms of the 'boom and bust' dynamic.
When seen from that perspective, we can see how certain individuals or groups in positions of power help the process along, even engaging in pretty devious maneuvers that seem to push the global situation to its, apparently predestined and messy end. But there doesn't seem to be any 'earthly' architect of the 'grand plan'. There are simply enablers at the human level who seem to play their part pretty well in what seems to be a natural program of the 'living system' that is given a sadistic twist by some interventionist(s).
Is the human element conscious of the part they play? Probably not for most of them, they seem to be just following a pre-programmed 'script', the real end result of which they mostly unaware. The same seems to go for a large section of humanity who apparently are completely unable to do anything about the part they play in this cyclical drama.
Anyway, about women and how if they're not kept in traditional roles things go all pear shaped. That seems to be at least one data point or symptom in the 'fall of civilizations', but so is men in their traditionally meant-to-be-responsible positions of power being complete psycho asshats.
Seems to me that no one is going to stop such an apparently natural and cyclical 'natural process' from taking its course as it has always done. I'd like to think it could be done, but I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to hang their hopes on that or wear themselves out in doing so or joining some ideological 'cause' that claims to set the world to rights.
For sure I think we should do our best to point out the coming storm to anyone open to listening and encourage them to think about the part that we all play - which might help to reduce the level of godawfulness somewhat - but highlighting one of the ills of a body ravaged by cancer for example, and seeking to correct that one ill or symptom, is unlikely to stop the overall process of the death of the body if that is were it seems to be going.
Fun times! Not!
Anyway, I think these kinds of videos have merit for the general public as long as they explain the situation as it really seems to be, i.e. part of a natural process that no one can really stop, but that each person SHOULD act in whatever way is appropriate for them and to the extent they are able to NOT contribute to the decline (why would you unless you're an idiot... and there seems to be a lot of those around!).
