I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not. But I hope you realized that this is most likely a psy-op / false flag attack from Israel, and Iran has nothing to do with it!
Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide
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I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not. But I hope you realized that this is most likely a psy-op / false flag attack from Israel, and Iran has nothing to do with it!
Right, old SOTT.net article here (Whitney Webb):
In order to 'fulfill prophecy of third temple', are Israelis planning to destroy Al-Aqsa mosque?
The iconic golden dome of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque, located on the Temple Mount or Haram el-Sharif, is the third holiest site in Islam and is recognized throughout the world as a symbol of the city of Jerusalem. Yet, this ancient...
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What @hlat seems to be saying to you, which suppose could have been elaborated upon, is that you might have made up your mind as to the guilty parties?
Is it black and white?
As @irjO said:
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Masquerading is an old and deadly trick (by way of deception indeed) - thinking back in Spain (WWII), where forces were dressed up as liberators and when the people came out of their houses they mowed them down. Can't remember the exact context. Here, for all that is known, there could be no Hamas, but hired ex IS, ISIL, ISIS or some other proxy guns brought in for the special occasion. All speculation of course without evidence.
John Helmer writes briefly on the events:
RACE WAR AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS TURNS INTO WAR OF THE WORLDS – WILL THE US AND RUSSIAN NAVIES ENGAGE OFF GAZA & OTHER QUESTIONS
By John Helmer, Moscow @bears_with A US Sixth Fleet squadron (lead image, top left) is now steaming towards the eastern shore of the Mediterrae
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At one point he opens (with historical context):
Is this the final Jewish solution to remove the Arabs from the territory according to the Basic Law, ratified by the Israeli Supreme Court in 2021, which legalizes the takeover of Palestinian territory as a “natural” Jewish right. “The State of Israel is the nation state of the Jewish People,” the constitution enacted in 2018 by the Knesset declares, “in which it realizes its natural, cultural, religious and historical right to self-determination. The exercise of the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish People”; and “the State views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value, and shall act to encourage and promote its establishment and strengthening.”
Is this race war — is it now the war of the worlds?
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From the introduction to the book: “Before the US Government went to war against the Russians in Europe, after the end of the Soviet Union in 1991, they practised in the Middle East on the Arabs. The methods and targeting are the same.” Published on February 23, 2022. Right: President Putin’s special relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu became official Kremlin policy after the IDF caused the shoot-down of the Russian Ilyushin-20 reconnaissance aircraft off the Syrian coast, on September 17, 2018, killing the 15-man crew. At the time, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, speaking for the General Staff, said “The responsibility for the downing of the Russian aircraft and the death of its crew lies solely with Israel. .. we reserve the right to take retaliatory steps.” The General Staff is still reserving its steps. Read more: https://johnhelmer.net/
As of Monday morning, Moscow time, the Kremlin has disclosed no telephone or other communication between Putin and Arab, Iranian, Turkish or Israeli officials. A Kremlin communiqué was released on Saturday afternoon, more than twelve hours after the fighting had started, in which Putin met with Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, and talked at length about bilateral gas supply projects and “strategic cooperation and relations between our states…in most diverse spheres.”
At the same time on Saturday afternoon, it was decided that the only official statement on the war to break the weekened silence would be released by the spokesman of the Foreign Ministry. “We,” said Maria Zakharova, “call on the Palestinian and Israeli sides to implement an immediate ceasefire, renounce violence, exercise restraint and begin, with the assistance of the international community, a negotiation process aimed at establishing a comprehensive, lasting and long-awaited peace in the Middle East.” Zakharova did not identify the US miliary moves as an escalation of the conflict.
To follow Kremlin and Foreign Ministry “equivalence” policy towards the Palestinians, click to read the archive.
From 2010 to 2018 the Netanyahu regime attempted to establish in Israel’s constitution the identity of the Israeli state and ideology of Zionism with the Jewish faith and religious community. The first attempt fell short of Knesset votes, legal ratification, and Jewish diaspora support; it wasn’t the only case of its kind in that period.
In 2018 Netanyahu tried again, and on July 8, 2021, the Israeli Supreme Court decided this measure was constitutional inside the country.
Source: https://perma.cc/9PZN-DJGY
The US Library of Congress briefing paper, which followed the Israeli court ratification in July 2021, can be read in full here.
In practical effect and political application, the equivalence and identity have been created between Jews, the community of adherents to Judaism, the Israeli state and its ideology. Correlatively, criticism of Jews, called anti-Semitism in many places, has been made identical to criticism of the state of Israel, called anti-Zionism. Since Netanyahu’s enactment of his basic law, the equation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism has become a race crime in many jurisdictions of the world, from London, to Miami, to Melbourne.
The military consequence is that race war by the state of Israel and Jewish people against the Palestinian Arabs and muslims has become the constitutional duty of the IDF and its miliary allies and suppliers.
[*] The detection and mapping of the US Navy patrol targeting the Russian naval base at Tartous on October 5, 36 hours before Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, was reported by the website Italian Military Radar, italmilradar.com.
Inquorate
Jedi Master
Of course this is a joke. Please refrain from shooting the joker.
FM258
Jedi
Are you saying that the 1000s of rockets fired from Gaza into Israel were fired by Israel? I’m trying to follow along and do not have my opinions in cement. I’m very aware of false flag attacks as a tactic and strategy. I am open to that possibility, seeing a total intelligence failure, reminds me of 9/11.
christx11
Jedi Master
Your take on this is interesting.
My take on it is that this is a 100% Israeli intelligence operation. Gaza Strip, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, are monitored by the most sophisticated software and hardware in the world. There is literally no way this was an Israeli intelligence failure. I also surmise that human resources by the Israeli intelligence services are at every level of Hamas and Hezbollah and actively directed the action. The Shock and Awe of attacking a festival in the desert and kidnapping and killing all the Beautiful young women was all part of the shock and bate to get all of Western Europe and the United States to call for killing as many Palestinians as possible. And of course they planned to kidnap and threaten to kill hostages, that also is part of the Israeli intelligence op.
Anyway that is my take on it. If you think this is all Iran and Hamas, well I am not sure how to reply to that. And by the way 10s of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by Israel over the decades since Nakba. You might want to research the relative population statistic there.
And on top of that, out of the hundreds of missiles (as he says) coming from Gaza, 1 or 2 really strikes, and in areas of minor importance, usually planed or let by Israel to have excuses to performs more attacks against Palestinians.
@FM258 is good you have an open mind still about all this, I recommend you to catch up with the situation! Paying attention to objective reality is critical as the time comes!
Evan
The Living Force
Not sure if this has already been posted, but I always find Brian’s takes to be well researched and well thought out:
New Atlas 10-09-2023
New Atlas 10-09-2023
If Iran was involved, which is highly implausible, it would have been through the Hezbollah, not Hamas. Hamas is Sunni, Hezbollah is Shia, and Iran is Shia. There is an almost insurmountable divide between these two "traditions" despite the miraculous diplomatic efforts by China. American politicians, patrons of ISIS/Al Qaida etc., can't even bother coming up with a half-plausible lie.
The Duran dudes gives their take on the Iran question, in addition to what you've said.
Iran has recently signed trade deal with Russia, normalized relations with the Saudis, and is all geared up to enter BRICS+ and the SCO. The Iranian economy has actually been recovering somewhat from the decades of sanctions imposed by the US. Things were all looking pretty good for Iran in the lead-up to this attack. So why would the Iranians put all that in jeopardy? There seems very little reason why they would.
Mercouris has one idea why they might - because of the direction of Israel/US/Saudi negotiations. These negotiations, according to him, were leading towards the Saudis getting nukes in return for lower oil prices (helpful in US elections). Iran may have sought to drive a wedge between the Saudis and Israel to prevent this from happening, and so had a hand in the conflict.
In general, tho, the Duran duo seems doubtful that Iran had anything to do with it.
Another one bites the dust...
On another note, I'm open to the idea of this being a false flag and all that but to me the whole thing appears still a bit too complex to assess. For starters, if the usual suspects orchestrated this attack and it was a false flag, wouldn't they see a risk of Hezbollah and others joining, and thus creating a situation that they can't win? On the other hand, these people are deranged, pathological and delusonial, so maybe as with Ukraine and e.g. Vietnam, they just thought they'd create their own reality based in wishful thinking, not being able to see the consequences?
And, I don't fully buy the whole "Israel has a super-capable army with amazing intelligence around the clock". Well, yeah, maybe it was that but knowing how militaries in the West have degenerated during the last decade or so, due to wokeness and other factors, and how arrogant and self-assured the Zionists have always been, I don't find it impossible that they were, indeed, caught with their pants down. Maybe it's a combination of all things above, and more...
Wait and see, if this was/is a false flag, maybe it will snowball into something that they didn't expect.
On another note, I'm open to the idea of this being a false flag and all that but to me the whole thing appears still a bit too complex to assess. For starters, if the usual suspects orchestrated this attack and it was a false flag, wouldn't they see a risk of Hezbollah and others joining, and thus creating a situation that they can't win? On the other hand, these people are deranged, pathological and delusonial, so maybe as with Ukraine and e.g. Vietnam, they just thought they'd create their own reality based in wishful thinking, not being able to see the consequences?
And, I don't fully buy the whole "Israel has a super-capable army with amazing intelligence around the clock". Well, yeah, maybe it was that but knowing how militaries in the West have degenerated during the last decade or so, due to wokeness and other factors, and how arrogant and self-assured the Zionists have always been, I don't find it impossible that they were, indeed, caught with their pants down. Maybe it's a combination of all things above, and more...
Wait and see, if this was/is a false flag, maybe it will snowball into something that they didn't expect.
Finkelstein has a 2.2 hour talk going on here. He brings in deep history going well back, and discusses how Gaza etc. is the most surveilled place on the planet, and by implication that says much. However, he is saying that he applauds "the ingenuity" to have circumvented said technology (he is "baffled" by it).
Video recording and Transcript: Special Emergency Podcast on Gaza, October 8th 2023
Norman Finkelstein and Mouin Rabbani held an emergency teach-in session yesterday regarding recent events in Gaza. This is the recording of that session as well as a rush transcript. There are some blips in the video here and there which we hope the audience will forgive as we’ve tried to put...
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Transcript here:
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It's the usual garden-jungle rhetoric: We the US regime and EU vassals are rational and civilized while the rest of the world is irrational and made of violent savages. It's the "Syrian chemical weapons" all over again.
There's still something bothering me about the rallies and supposed Palestine supporters that is spreading across the internet. People like AOC and the LGBTQ crowd are being portrayed as the people who support Palestine.
Perhaps it is true that the more traditional left has been more supportive of Palestine over the years, yet, what we know about AOC and most LGBTQ groups is that they clueless and only follow whatever path they're put on to follow, so it seems too much of a coincidence that now they are kind of being conveyed as the ones who support Palestine, which in the minds of the people who lean more towards the right means that they are supporting terrorism, and also, makes them even less likely to find some empathy towards Palestinians because they are now being associated with these people who have every other thing SO wrong.
So, this can also be something that brings polarization to even a higher peak, where the right is completely outraged by the left already but now even more because they 'support terrorism'. And that is something that can lay the ground for some bad things, IMO.
There's also this picture running around which seems almost photoshopped but some people seem to fall for it saying that 'terrorists are Nazis now':
There's another odd thing I saw while scrolling X. There are a few reports where some people who want to go to a pro-Israel rally aren't allowed to do it or to show an Israeli flag. Now, I didn't want to mention this because I don't know if those reports are true or what was the real context, but then I decided to mention it because, if it is true, it's very odd that there's a situation where Israel supporters can feel victimized by the 'terrorists supporters' and even by their leaders who aren't helping them. All of which can add to the polarization.
Here's one example I could find now, but there were other:
There's also this video that people are posting a lot where some protesters are supposedly saying 'gas the Jews', which is also very odd, I would say.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1711532849571197179
I'm not saying all of this is part of a plan necessarily, only that it adds to the tensions and may bring some unfortunate events too.
Perhaps it is true that the more traditional left has been more supportive of Palestine over the years, yet, what we know about AOC and most LGBTQ groups is that they clueless and only follow whatever path they're put on to follow, so it seems too much of a coincidence that now they are kind of being conveyed as the ones who support Palestine, which in the minds of the people who lean more towards the right means that they are supporting terrorism, and also, makes them even less likely to find some empathy towards Palestinians because they are now being associated with these people who have every other thing SO wrong.
So, this can also be something that brings polarization to even a higher peak, where the right is completely outraged by the left already but now even more because they 'support terrorism'. And that is something that can lay the ground for some bad things, IMO.
There's also this picture running around which seems almost photoshopped but some people seem to fall for it saying that 'terrorists are Nazis now':
There's another odd thing I saw while scrolling X. There are a few reports where some people who want to go to a pro-Israel rally aren't allowed to do it or to show an Israeli flag. Now, I didn't want to mention this because I don't know if those reports are true or what was the real context, but then I decided to mention it because, if it is true, it's very odd that there's a situation where Israel supporters can feel victimized by the 'terrorists supporters' and even by their leaders who aren't helping them. All of which can add to the polarization.
Here's one example I could find now, but there were other:
There's also this video that people are posting a lot where some protesters are supposedly saying 'gas the Jews', which is also very odd, I would say.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1711532849571197179
I'm not saying all of this is part of a plan necessarily, only that it adds to the tensions and may bring some unfortunate events too.
Inquorate
Jedi Master
BREAKING: Zelensky blames Putin for Hamas attack on Israel
“We see Moscow’s Iranian friends openly supporting those who attacked Israel.”
humanevents.com
There you go, it happened.
There hasn't been much said so far about the bombing of the military graduation ceremony in Syria. The timing of this was too precise to be the responsibility of whatever remains of the rag-tag Syrian jihadis. So it was almost certainly a provocation by either Israel, or more likely, the CIA/Pentagon, to try to rope Syria into a hardline position against Israel from the beginning of the attacks. Fortunately, Syria's response has been restrained so far, probably at the counselling of the Russians.
This does raise the question of what the US government may have known prior to the attacks, and adds additional circumstantial evidence for the LIHOP case, imo. Although the US propaganda narrative against Iran has started, that fact that the Palestine side has received some airtime may suggest that the US govt is going to play this one carefully and leave Israel holding the bag if things go south.
Not to mention nuclear weapons. It's highly likely that, despite their rhetoric over the last decade, Israel and the US know that Iran has nukes, and thus will be treated with 'kid gloves' in any military sense. Also, as Joe pointed out during the Russian intervention in Syria, the minute images of US bombers going down in flames start circulating in the media, the US mythos of military supremacy will shatter into a thousand pieces.
Yep, I think the BRICS+ are probably the real target here, especially with the demise of the petrodollar any day now.
If US forces start coming home in body bags again, that would certainly be enough for them to finally start questioning their policy of unthinking support of Israel, especially if Trump started to walk back his support for Israel because of it.
Nice read. We do know that the intel agencies tend to shuffle these types around from country to country, as needed.
Yep. If Iran knows that it's a LIHOP scenario, then Hezbollah will probably just remain on the sidelines. Iran conducted a very successful proxy war in Yemen and knows how the game is played, at this point. They can probably just sit back and unroll reel after reel of propaganda to the Arab world highlighting Israel's behaviour, and Israel will become a complete pariah in the region and likely disintegrate politically and economically.
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