Jake Sully, Anonymous and "WhatIsThePlan" - PsyOps?

[Jakesully]

I retract the request to have my account banned. That request was made in haste and frustration.

The reason I haven't defended myself is because I know that "denial is an admission of guilt". You're suspicious of everything I say! What the hell can I do??? It's as if you've assumed me guilty until proven innocent (of consciously participating in COINTELPRO). I was trying to EXPOSE COINTELPRO!

I know I've acted horribly and I deserved everything I've gotten, and probably will get. And I really don't mind what happens to me at this point. I just want the full truth to be known about this situation. I don't want to avoid it anymore, because I'll be wracked with remorse and regret for leaving under the suspicion of being a paid COINTELPRO agent. And what happens if that muddled cloud of suspicion catches up with me where I live, along with everything else that I've done?

My name is Patrick Gaines. I'm 26 years old, and I'm dirt poor. You should see my credit score. I think it was in the mid 500's last I checked. I live on $300 per month rent. I sleep on an air mattress. If there is any information AT ALL that I can provide that can prove without a doubt that I am not linked to COINTELPRO, please request it. Character witnesses? Bank Records? Anything at all??? Do I have to lose every last shred of privacy to prove that I'm not some kind of paid government agent???

When I was in the military and lost my security clearance, there was a DONCAF (The Department of the Navy Central Adjudication Facility) investigation. They never released that investigation, but it would show that I was just barely not kicked out because of the MySpace blog about 9/11 and Bush's stolen elections, and I decided not to publicly state that I was a conscientious objector and stick it out another 2 1/2 years to get an honorable discharge and college tuition benefits.

I'm posting from an EEE PC. I couldn't even run any modern PC-based FPS's if I wanted to. And I don't like those sorts of games anyway. I'm not good at them. The Civilization series and Chrono Trigger are my favorite games off the top of my head.

This is all a massive CIA frame/con job, and I'm the mark.

I'm an ASPIE. Do you get it??? I have Asperger's Syndrome. Highly intelligent, but socially stupid. I was diagnosed with ADD when I was younger. On top of that I've suffered YEARS of emotional trauma, not to mention a negative first circuit imprinting due to my umbilical cord being wrapped around my neck when I was born, and almost choking and dying. Perhaps it's easy to confuse a socially awkward, introverted and withdrawn, emotionally traumatised, yet otherwise highly intelligent person with being some kind of psychopath, and really, you have to consider all of the possibilities, but it doesn't seem like anyone (perhaps besides Perceval) is considering the possibility that I'm just a complete fucking MORON who should have spent his summer brushing up on Reiki and Massage rather than playing "let's save the fucking world".

Just figure out the truth of it, and then, please, leave me alone, and I'll be quite happy never to show my (virtual) face here again.

 

[Remorseful]

Hey Tele,

I don’t know you really well but I’ve been watching a little of what’s been happening. I’m not sure if this is all a joke or if this is real. If you are real and what you say is true, then please don’t try to gain people’s acceptance. You don't need to prove yourself to Cassiopaea or Anonymous. You need to accept yourself first and foremost, that is the most important thing. We all need to learn to love ourselves; it could make us all so much happier.

Even if you did make a mistake(s) the best possible thing you can do is allow yourself to grow from it. We all make mistakes, we are human after all. It kills me to see these people treat you like this and how much you need their acceptance. I’m going to feel very stupid if this is all trolling, but know that you aren’t alone in this world. The only thing that you need right now is you! You need yourself more than ever. So please take care of yourself and just take this situation as a life lesson. I really hope you will be ok :)

 

[clerck de bonk]

...Just figure out the truth of it, and then, please, leave me alone, and I'll be quite happy never to show my (virtual) face here again.

Please, say no more it is an embarrassment to read. Just... go.

You really have no clue of Your ego, do You?

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Whew... 25 pages... but I got through it all, and after all of it, I honestly can say I still don't know what to believe.

All I know Jake Sully, is that it is pretty convenient for someone in your shoes to be crying this 'poor me' stuff when they have been pretty exposed.

You say:

The reason I haven't defended myself is because I know that "denial is an admission of guilt". You're suspicious of everything I say! What the hell can I do??? It's as if you've assumed me guilty until proven innocent (of consciously participating in COINTELPRO). I was trying to EXPOSE COINTELPRO!

Well what the heck do you expect us to believe? At the beginning of all this you had ample time to come forward and spill the beans about what the real deal is and you didn't. You only made things more and more ambiguous and mysterious as every page went on. Then all these people started showing up claiming you're some sort of crazy person, and all of them seem pretty believable, and so you come back with all this! What do you expect us to believe? Put yourself in our shoes!

Now let's say, we give you the benefit of the doubt and you are some poor sap that's being used as a useful idiot. That still doesn't change the fact that your COLOSSAL EGO got you into this mess in the first place, which caused a LOT of pain for a lot of other innocent people!! So I don't really have an answer except if you are for real, and you really are some poor sap, take a LONG, HARD look at what you've done and learn from it. And if you're COINTELPRO than you know you've been exposed and there is nothing else you can do.

 

[Laura]

I retract the request to have my account banned. That request was made in haste and frustration.

The reason I haven't defended myself is because I know that "denial is an admission of guilt". You're suspicious of everything I say! What the hell can I do??? It's as if you've assumed me guilty until proven innocent (of consciously participating in COINTELPRO). I was trying to EXPOSE COINTELPRO!

Please note that this issue is still open and no final conclusion has been made nor probably can be made.

You ask: "What the hell can I do???"

As noted, you were asked several questions, were asked to provide certain information and failed to do so. That is, we held off doing or saying anything while we waited for you to get your act together; but you left us hanging while the situation was deteriorating for all concerned.

I know I've acted horribly and I deserved everything I've gotten, and probably will get. And I really don't mind what happens to me at this point. I just want the full truth to be known about this situation. I don't want to avoid it anymore, because I'll be wracked with remorse and regret for leaving under the suspicion of being a paid COINTELPRO agent. And what happens if that muddled cloud of suspicion catches up with me where I live, along with everything else that I've done?

Good question. Hindsight is, indeed, 20/20.

My name is Patrick Gaines. I'm 26 years old, and I'm dirt poor. You should see my credit score. I think it was in the mid 500's last I checked. I live on $300 per month rent. I sleep on an air mattress. If there is any information AT ALL that I can provide that can prove without a doubt that I am not linked to COINTELPRO, please request it. Character witnesses? Bank Records? Anything at all??? Do I have to lose every last shred of privacy to prove that I'm not some kind of paid government agent???

Well, Jake/Patrick, I have certainly had to give up every shred of privacy in order to defend myself against endless attacks due to situations like this.

Again I note, you were asked questions and to provide information, you were given time to do this. Nobody was pushing you or demanding, it was just a fairly simple request. But you were silent. What are we to suppose?

In other words, you created the situation yourself.

When I was in the military and lost my security clearance, there was a DONCAF (The Department of the Navy Central Adjudication Facility) investigation. They never released that investigation, but it would show that I was just barely not kicked out because of the MySpace blog about 9/11 and Bush's stolen elections, and I decided not to publicly state that I was a conscientious objector and stick it out another 2 1/2 years to get an honorable discharge and college tuition benefits.

I'm posting from an EEE PC. I couldn't even run any modern PC-based FPS's if I wanted to. And I don't like those sorts of games anyway. I'm not good at them. The Civilization series and Chrono Trigger are my favorite games off the top of my head.

So, basically, all of this was just a computer game to you, a way to pass the time, to have an alternate personality that had power and authority to compensate for your powerlessness in real life?

This is all a massive CIA frame/con job, and I'm the mark.

Puhleeeeeeeze! You haven't done anything useful enough to be targeted. But you were a handy useful idiot to target me and SOTT. That is to say, if your situation is as you describe it, you are just "collateral damage."

I'm an ASPIE. Do you get it??? I have Asperger's Syndrome. Highly intelligent, but socially stupid. I was diagnosed with ADD when I was younger. On top of that I've suffered YEARS of emotional trauma, not to mention a negative first circuit imprinting due to my umbilical cord being wrapped around my neck when I was born, and almost choking and dying. Perhaps it's easy to confuse a socially awkward, introverted and withdrawn, emotionally traumatised, yet otherwise highly intelligent person with being some kind of psychopath, and really, you have to consider all of the possibilities, but it doesn't seem like anyone (perhaps besides Perceval) is considering the possibility that I'm just a complete -flicking- MORON who should have spent his summer brushing up on Reiki and Massage rather than playing "let's save the -flicking- world".

Actually, we are all considering the idea that you are just a complete moron but you haven't admitted to that until now. As for the ASPIE/Asperger/trauma stuff, that actually detracts from your admission that you are a Moron. Just about everybody on the planet can claim a list of traumas and disabilities as long as your arm, but usually they admit them first and try to work on the problems; they don't just go out and pretend to be normal, authoritative, leaders - except for the pathological types for whom that is standard.

But now that there is no other option, you bring up all the issues that you should have brought up and started to work on long ago. That IS why this forum exists.

Just figure out the truth of it, and then, please, leave me alone, and I'll be quite happy never to show my (virtual) face here again.

Oh. Now you are going to go eat worms and die.

Somehow, I get the feeling that there is a little bit of truth in what you have written above, but also a whole lot of manipulation. Manipulation is NOT common to Asperger's syndrome because it is a social construct.

 

[Biomiast]

Hi Jake,

I have read this thread with great interest and as Deedlet said, your initial responses were rather evasive. While I don't care if you are a COINTELPRO or emotionally traumatized as you say, I tend to think latter is true. This is just my gut feeling, not based on any objective evidence. I can see that I may have been in your place with bad judgement and inability to see. Of course, I may be just projecting.

Yet, at this point, it doesn't make much of a difference, does it? You have already harmed both parties that you wanted to blend in, and have little or no chance of going back. People do not want to hear your ideas or thoughts about how they should live their life. And by the way, look at your life and look at the emotional traumas you have. Do you think you are qualified to tell other people how things are supposed to be?

If you are such a mastermind in forming organizations, go fix your life please. Gurdjieff said one has to be an obyvatel and Laura repeatedly said there are people with psychological conditions that this forum is not equipped to solve. So, go and seek help. Only then you can grasp what we are doing here, what we want to achieve in our lives.

And, when you mentioned clearing your name, I felt sorry for you. You have this wrecked life(assuming what you wrote is sincere) where you wanted to do the right thing and you managed to destroy everything. This seems to be a pattern in your life. What I feel now is that, clearing your name is secondary when you have a life to fix. You need to stop telling people what to do and you should DO what is necessary for YOU to do. Go and seek professional help and stop dreaming that you are this highly intelligent guy who can see the problems other people can't. Take it from someone who have been dreaming the same thing for the better part of a year, it doesn't work.

My suggestion to you is, stop being identified with Anonymous and Cassiopaea for that matter and find something that truly fulfills you. Reiki and massage sounds good. :)

P.S. If you are COINTELPRO and none of the things said to you touched you in any way, shape or form, then good luck on your next life hopefully.

 

[Gimpy]

Some info on Aspergers syndrome in adults here: http://www.asperger-advice.com/asperger-symptoms-in-adults.html

A snippet that is interesting:

Asperger syndrome in adults has some common characteristics such as:

• Lack of managing appropriate social conduct

• High intelligence

• Anger management problems

• Controlling feelings such as depression, fear or anxiety

• Lack of empathy

• Inability to listen to others

• Inflexible thinking

• Repetitive routines provides feelings of security

• Stress when their routine suddenly changes

• Inability to think in abstract ways

• Specialised fields of interest

• Visual thinking


Points in bold type indicate areas that I don't see in Jake/Patrick, which, from experience with other adults I know who are also Aspies, should stand out more.

At this point, its all moot to me, Patrick.

You do know what you've done. If you wanted to be left alone, you would not have begun this whole mess. Peoples lives are not games for amusement, and now that its your turn, I have little sympathy for you.

 

[luke wilson]

To JakeSully,

I don't know if you are just someone caught up in a bad situation or if this is your job and everything is an act. I will respond as if the first is the truth. You kind of have to take responsibility for the situation, your lack of awareness brought this upon yourself. Secondly, you have to agree that your lack of decisive nature to fully comply with the admin's request to you further deteriorated your image and credibility. Thirdly, you have to agree that following that, the kind of skepticism being directed at you is the only natural response to expect. So this are the facts, if you are truly traumatized, at the very least learn from this and don't make the same mistakes in the future. There is a future, your world won't collapse right now because of this, take comfort in that. Maybe concentrate on your real life, get out and do what you like for a bit. As for your interaction with this forum, you can simply spend your time reading over the material and really trying to apply it to yourself. All that is going on right now, is now beyond your direct(jakesully alias) control, accept that.

 

[Joe]

Jake, have you ever, at any time, had any contact, of any description, with anyone who works for or has ever worked for the Jedburgh corp?

Since you left the military, have you, to your knowledge, had any contact with any active military personnel?

Have you, to your knowledge, ever had any contact with any private military companies?

 

[Chu]

We are an open book. Feel free to come on over and see what we ARE doing. (hint 0% is about doing anything to Cass Forum). Something the WITP folks cannot claim as evidenced by the thread (shown earlier) showing them actively planning to attack you guys.

I'm glad that we are getting more information and just wanted to thank those who have decided to contribute to this discussion.

I'm still wondering, though, how this "Jean" could use Anonymous for his own purposes on that video he made, and if there is a way that we can prove that it was him. That way, both you and us can make this wacko stop, and make it clear to others who might have the same idea, that it is NOT OK to fake identities to suit their silly "threatening agendas". I don't know enough about WITP to comment on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if "Jean" was the one who started messing up with that thread too.

 

[AnonGirl]

I have tried to follow this topic for a bit of time, But I seemed to get lost after so many pages, since the replies appear so fast. Has anyone taken the time to link "Anon-girl" & the one she was searching for, to JakeScully?
If I missed it in my reading, & some one associated the two,....then you have my apologies. If not, with no offense or finger-pointing.... I found it unusual that the search that Anon-girl was undertaking, & this current topic here, that I have been trying to read/follow, have some similarities. or so it seemed to me....

No matter, no harm meant, but I thought to mention it.

I do not believe in berating folks, but, sincerely, always hope they learn from their mistakes & it is my custom, to adamantly insist, to not wish to "falsely accuse", even with what I typed above. Since I would not like it to happen to me.
But, I do believe in using logic to try to fit "pieces of the puzzle" together if I can..
( perhaps a bad thing to some, but it seems to be handy at times.)
I see similarities & hope that my pointing them out ( hopefully, not repetitively), will help , more than to harm.

Best wishes & respects,
JB/MnSportsman

Yep. MnSportsman nailed it.

I'm here trying to follow of this, and see what I can glean from it. It's interesting, and Jake has introduced me to a number of interesting ideas, including Cassiopaea (which I'm still trying to get my head around).

I stuck my head out of the bushes because I'm hoping Jake will send me a private message. I'd like to speak with him.

Thanks
~AG~

 

[EGVG]

I have tried to follow this topic for a bit of time, But I seemed to get lost after so many pages, since the replies appear so fast. Has anyone taken the time to link "Anon-girl" & the one she was searching for, to JakeScully?
If I missed it in my reading, & some one associated the two,....then you have my apologies. If not, with no offense or finger-pointing.... I found it unusual that the search that Anon-girl was undertaking, & this current topic here, that I have been trying to read/follow, have some similarities. or so it seemed to me....

No matter, no harm meant, but I thought to mention it.

I do not believe in berating folks, but, sincerely, always hope they learn from their mistakes & it is my custom, to adamantly insist, to not wish to "falsely accuse", even with what I typed above. Since I would not like it to happen to me.
But, I do believe in using logic to try to fit "pieces of the puzzle" together if I can..
( perhaps a bad thing to some, but it seems to be handy at times.)
I see similarities & hope that my pointing them out ( hopefully, not repetitively), will help , more than to harm.

Best wishes & respects,
JB/MnSportsman

Yep. MnSportsman nailed it.

I'm here trying to follow of this, and see what I can glean from it. It's interesting, and Jake has introduced me to a number of interesting ideas, including Cassiopaea (which I'm still trying to get my head around).

I stuck my head out of the bushes because I'm hoping Jake will send me a private message. I'd like to speak with him.

Thanks
~AG~

Hi AG, I hope you get to communicate directly with JS soon and do what you have to.
Is JS your friend? What do you think about his latest post?

 

[anart]

Somehow, I get the feeling that there is a little bit of truth in what you have written above, but also a whole lot of manipulation. Manipulation is NOT common to Asperger's syndrome because it is a social construct.

No, he doesn't display symptoms of Asperger's. If you review Patrick's posts here and other places, you'll see that he often 'diagnoses' himself with things to get the heat off or to attract attention. He has claimed that he is psychic, he's a shaman, he's a schizophrenic (who would be shaman on the right diet), and now that he's 'ASPIE' (and these are only the examples I've seen here - god only knows what he's written in his threads on 'chaos magick'). It's really ridiculous and he expects people to buy it probably because they always have.

Regarding this:

I retract the request to have my account banned. That request was made in haste and frustration.

It doesn't work that way - the world doesn't revolve around you and it's not your decision to make. You have consistently lied, obfuscated and pontificated your way through what should have been an exercise in you helping others to get to the bottom of slimy and hurtful harassment. Yet - here we are almost 20 pages later still dealing with your 'poor me' nonsense. No one is buying it, Patrick and I, for one, have seen enough of you to last a lifetime or two.

If you post again on this forum in the near future, make sure it is a post that answers Perceval's questions - directly and fully.

 

[Nienna]

Somehow, I get the feeling that there is a little bit of truth in what you have written above, but also a whole lot of manipulation. Manipulation is NOT common to Asperger's syndrome because it is a social construct.

No, he doesn't display symptoms of Asperger's. If you review Patrick's posts here and other places, you'll see that he often 'diagnoses' himself with things to get the heat off or to attract attention. He has claimed that he is psychic, he's a shaman, he's a schizophrenic (who would be shaman on the right diet), and now that he's 'ASPIE' (and these are only the examples I've seen here - god only knows what he's written in his threads on 'chaos magick'). It's really ridiculous and he expects people to buy it probably because they always have.

Yes, this is so very true. JS or Patrick has always been trying to do his teacher/guru thing from the beginning of joining this forum. He seems to have no idea what we do here, as can be seen with his "chaotic magick" thing, as well as forcing his views (teaching) on to others.

The one thing listed on how to identify Aspergers syndrome is his inability to listen to others. It has been repeated over and over again here, to him, to start reading the related material and to stop trying to be a guru. Especially on subjects that he know nothing about.

Ya know, he sort of reminds me of Ira Einhorn, in Laura's Wave 7. Anyway, he does seem to see himself as someone "speshul" and would rather be out trying to impress others than on doing any Work on himself or doing anything that actually helps others, which leads me to wonder why he wants to remain on this forum?

 

[Cyre2067]

At this point I'm visualizing Jake/Patrick having a good ole laugh at his terminal thinking he's got us all worked up. He definitely has a detached air his posts, and I'm getting the impression that he's doing all this forum-based interaction 'just for kicks' (or getting paid, or both).

You have consistently lied, obfuscated and pontificated your way through what should have been an exercise in you helping others to get to the bottom of slimy and hurtful harassment. Yet - here we are almost 20 pages later still dealing with your 'poor me' nonsense. No one is buying it, Patrick and I, for one, have seen enough of you to last a lifetime or two.

If you post again on this forum in the near future, make sure it is a post that answers Perceval's questions - directly and fully.

Anart worded it quite perfectly above, and while this has been a really good exercise in discernment for the newbies it really is par the course for this forum. The attacks have definitely geared up lately, and everyone is getting a crash course is COINTELPRO and spotting pathological behavior, perhaps two beneficial side affects of this whole drama.

I know it's been mentioned already, but if the Anon folks really want to prevent infiltration its important to learn as much about psychopathy and pathology as possible so you can spot it and exclude it from your group before it infects and distorts its original purpose.