What Rense.com is not talking about
Ruth said:
I guess what I'm trying to avoid is the feeling that this is a one way hypocritical 'shite fest' perpetrated by a bunch of people who think they are so 'special' and just because they say something, they have to be right. Well, they're 'superior' aren't they? Especially when one is so busily engaged in the process of casting pearls before swine.
Mouravieff said:
"When it comes to the other centres, the misuse of the negative parts takes much more insidious forms, which entail more serious consequences for our minds as well as our bodies. That is how the negative part of the intellectual centre nourishes jealousy, afterthoughts, hypocrisy, suspicion, treachery, etc.
The negative part of the emotional centre receives all the disagreeable impressions and serves as a vehicle for negative emotions, for which the keyboard is very large, ranging from melancholy to hate. We shall have occasion to go deeper into the problem of negative emotions. Their destructive role is generally unknown, but represents one of the major obstacles to esoteric evolution."
Ruth said:
These people do not know me from a bar of soap. They have never even met me and yet they expect me to meekly and mildly accept anything they say (simply because they say it, so how could it possibly be wrong). Any problem they have has to be mine too by a process of manipulation and projection onto me which they have become quite good at doing. Like the energizer bunny - they never give up. Well, inferior people cop this all they time, don't they?
No one
expects you to do anything. Your presence on this forum implies an interest in our work and our methods. If that is not the case, then you do not belong here. Please go elsewhere to while away your idle hours. Or, at the very least restrict your interactions to those areas of the forum where nothing is required of you by implicit participation. You can make comments on politics, music, literature, and a host of things without getting in the way of people who are here to work.
Mouravieff said:
...the negative part of the intellectual centre nourishes jealousy, afterthoughts, hypocrisy, suspicion, treachery, etc.
The negative part of the emotional centre receives all the disagreeable impressions and serves as a vehicle for negative emotions, for which the keyboard is very large, ranging from melancholy to hate.
Ruth said:
Quite a conundrum wouldn't you say?
This is where you say, "Well, yes it is and by the way it's all your fault. That's what we've been trying to get you to accept for the longest time! None of this is us. You're the problem and we're just so 'special' and 'superior' that you're obviously extreemly ignorant for disagreeing with us" Or words to that effect. Say it anyway you like.
No one
expects you to do anything. Your presence on this forum implies an interest in our work and our methods. If that is not the case, then you do not belong here. Please go elsewhere to while away your idle hours or spend your time in areas where you are not required, by implicit participation, to try to learn to network properly.
Laura said:
Recently, I was pondering this issue of "the mirror" and how some people can "get it" and some people simply cannot. This latter type, as soon as they face the pooled observations of the group which point out to them their "blunders" and "foolish notions" and "airs in dress an' gait and Devotion," withdraw immediately into the "right man syndrome."
They are "right," everyone else is wrong, their case is special and unique, and that is that.
They will argue and nitpick and so on. And we know what this comes from: the energy of the emotional center has been aroused and usurped by the intellect to fuel its frenzied and frantic need to "self-calm". They MUST stop this "bad feeling" at all costs, and if the only way they can stop it is to make everything and everyone out there "wrong" about them, then that is what they do - usually to their own detriment, turning away the people who care about them the most.
Ruth said:
This has been going on for the longest time and I am heartly sick of it. Not to mention frustrated by it. No-one is going to get to 4th density unless they take a long hard look in the mirror and stop trying to project all their 'issues' onto people they don't even know whilst using their superior 'knowledge' (what ever that may be) as an excuse.
You could say that the feeling is mutual. Your presence on this forum implies an interest in our work and our methods. If that is not the case, then you do not belong here. Please go elsewhere to while away your idle hours. We are heartily sick of dealing with your constant interruptions and out of place comments and diatribes. More than that, we are heartily sick of, and frustrated by, the many emails we have received over the past few years from a veritable host of people from the various discussion groups and now, the forum, asking "what is WRONG with Ruth???" The fact is, it is not just US, right here, on this forum, in this thread.
Laura said:
Mouravieff said:
"[The yes, but excuses] when applied to ourselves and for our own benefit, with the aim of softening a shock, or rediscovering our inner peace after we have sinned, or excusing our actions or faults, this idiom crystallizes within us over a period of time to create a true auto-tranquillizing mechanism. [...] it is a true mechanism of mental anaesthesia, founded on a refined and disguised lie. It sows hypocrisy in man towards himself. "
A person with such a highly developed auto-tranquillizer is very much like the paranoid schizophrenic, they devise baroque and ingenious systems of perception and define them as either "given by god" or given to them specifically and exclusively by higher density beings, or achieved through some form of initiation that only they know or, in the simplest sense, it is just what they are THINKING and so, it MUST be right!
Here, we must keep in mind that I am talking about individuals whose abilities to interact with others, whose competence in what the C's refer to the basic lessons of this density, i.e. simple understandings of relationships, karma, etc, are obviously lacking to an extreme degree. Otherwise, they would not have found themselves receiving a "mirror" while in our presence.
It can be observed that such individuals, no matter what you say to them about their failure to interact with others in true activities of striving for STO, will spend an enormous amount of energy editing out all impressions that are contrary to their system of illusion.
This then leads to another aspect of the Right Man: "self-righteousness." They MUST look down on others who do not share their illusion! It is extremely important to get others to believe in their illusion in order to confirm its "rightness" even if they claim, on the surface, that "everyone has the right to their own opinion." The fact is, they cannot tolerate anyone else's opinion if it is different from their own because it threatens their "rightness."
Ruth said:
Do you trully 'get' how annoying this is - and all for what? Where is the up-side? I would hate to think there wasn't one, anywhere... for anyone... Lets hope that's not the case.
No, I don't think anyone trully 'sees' or grasps the enormity of the situation. Pretending that it's just me who doesn't 'get it' is so far 'out there' its completely nuts. This whole situation seems to have been brought about by my refusal to 'comply' to some dearly held belief or standard. I wonder what one it was?
Do you truly grok how annoying you are? Where is the up-side of your presence on this forum? (Aside from the fact that you do provide a living example of a number of things we discuss.) You don't get anything out of the interaction and it is becoming increasingly clear that you probably never will. So again, the only useful thing about it is that you are more or less a specimen under the microscope serving as an example of what NOT to do, and how NOT to be. Does that satisfy you as something to be "gotten" from your presence here, from your existence?
Laura said:
Here, we must keep in mind that I am talking about individuals whose abilities to interact with others, whose competence in what the C's refer to the basic lessons of this density, i.e. simple understandings of relationships, karma, etc, are obviously lacking to an extreme degree. Otherwise, they would not have found themselves receiving a "mirror" while in our presence.
Ruth said:
What makes you think (collectively) that you 'see' any better than me? That is actually quite an important question. Because I don't think there is much differerence between us, no matter how much you (collectively) try to 'project'.
Experience and success in changing the context of our own lives as well as the lives of many others. If it didn't work, we wouldn't be doing it or sharing it and teaching it. Many people are attracted to our work, to what we are doing, because they resonate with it and "want it for themselves." Many of them are achieving quite dramatic improvements in their abilities to BE and SEE and DO. They understand that when you see something that you admire, a structure, for example, that a great deal of work went into it and that you can't just "wish it were real" for yourself without putting in an equal amount of work. If you like a house, you have to build it. If you want to build it, you have to first acquire the resources to build one of your own. It often helps to ask the person who already has the house how they did it and to obtain guidance and even help from them.
Again, that is based on the assumption that you are here because you are attracted to our work. If you aren't, really, then you are lying and manipulating and have no business here at all.
Let me give a practical example. The French are different from Anglo-Saxons; English and many Americans. A lot of English and Americans come to France because they love the country, what it has to offer in many ways, including the atmosphere, food, scenery, lifestyle, etc.
But then, when there is something about the way things are done here that they don't like, or which inconveniences them personally, they immediately go on the attack against the French, and say things like: well, France would be great without the French.
What they fail to grok is the fact that France would not be France without the French. The landscape, the culture, the lifestyle, the atmosphere, are all part of the French people; it emerges from who and what they are. If it were not for the French people, France would be exactly like the U.S. and U.K., (or somewhere else) and nobody would want to come here.
Same thing with our work. It emerges out of who we are, how we view the world, what we have learned, what we practice, and so on. The C's, in fact, emerged out of who I am and what drives me, specifically. It is always amusing to read, when someone doesn't agree with something I have written or said in particular, because it shoots their sacred cow, that obviously I don't understand the C's and that people need to consider the C's apart from me. I have done what I have done, including the C's communication, because of who I am and what I SEE which determines what I DO. As Ark describes it, the C's and I are "quantumly entangled," you cannot separate us.
I have written the Wave and Adventures series in order to try to convey some of this and the C's themselves have had a few comments on it as well:
Cassiopaeans said:
Q: (BRH) Is there any way I can contact you guys directly?
A: Well, Devin, only if you present yourself into the presence of these 3rd densities here. Remember, their request was hard earned... one here has literally turned the world upside down in search of the greatest truths for all of humanity, much to her potential peril. And the [other] one here had to endure almost unimaginable hardships and tests of stamina in order to realize his destined path of bringing your 3rd density realm to the brink of 4th density transitional adjustment. So, the path is open to you. Wanna follow?!?
And so it is, for those who are attracted to what we are doing, the information we present, we try to help them to achieve as much as possible of the path we have followed.
Cassiopaeans said:
Q: When I post material on the website, those people who resonate to the material believe that this refers to them also. I have been of the opinion that Unified Thought Form being must mean a very large group as represented in this density. I know that we are dealing with limiting terms. But, is this applied to people who CHOOSE the Cassiopaean option?
A: Maybe it is best to say it applies to those who recognize the application.
Ruth said:
I'm sick of being used as the scapegoat for people who are going no-where.
If that is what you think about us and our work, you obviously do not belong here. Period.
Laura said:
It can be observed that such individuals, no matter what you say to them about their failure to interact with others in true activities of striving for STO, will spend an enormous amount of energy editing out all impressions that are contrary to their system of illusion.
This then leads to another aspect of the Right Man: "self-righteousness." They MUST look down on others who do not share their illusion! It is extremely important to get others to believe in their illusion in order to confirm its "rightness" even if they claim, on the surface, that "everyone has the right to their own opinion." The fact is, they cannot tolerate anyone else's opinion if it is different from their own because it threatens their "rightness." ...
All of this can be traced back to a poorly developed emotional center, or a sleeping emotional center, or even a grossly deformed emotional center. As Mouravieff writes:
All sorts of considerations dictated by worldly wisdom and mundane vanity; the habitual practice of lying - especially to ourselves -and hypocrisy, from which no one is totally exempt, imprint dangerous distortions on the emotional centre.
Frequently struck by a feeling of inferiority and by the need for compensation, its usual motivation; accustomed as it is to judge and to criticize everybody and everything; surrendering itself to a strangely voluptuous enjoyment of negative emotions; this centre becomes unrecognizable. It degenerates to the point where it becomes the instrument of destruction of our being, which it accelerates on its way towards ageing and death. ...
If man spends his life without distinguishing between ''A' and 'B' influences, he will end it as he started, one could say mechanically, driven by the Law of Accident. However, according to the nature and the intensity of the resultant forces to which he is subjected, it can happen to him to make a brilliant career, in the meaning the world gives to this expression.
Yet he will come to the end of his days without having either learned or understood anything of Realty. And earth returns to earth.
In life every being is subjected to a sort of competitive test. If he discerns the existence of the 'B' influences; if he acquires a taste for gathering and absorbing them; if he continually aspires to assimilate them better; his mixed inner nature will slowly undergo a certain kind of evolution. And if the efforts which he makes to absorb the 'B' influences are constant and sufficient in force, a magnetic centre can be formed within him.
If this centre once born in him is carefully developed, it takes form, and in its turn will exercise an influence over the results of the 'A' arrows which are always active, deflecting them. Such a deflection may be violent. In general it transgresses the laws of exterior life and provokes many conflicts in and around man.
If he loses the battle, he emerges with the conviction that the 'B' influences are nothing but illusion: that the only reality is represented by the 'A' influences. Slowly the magnetic centre which had been formed within him is reabsorbed and vanishes. Then, from the esoteric point of view, his situation is worse than the one he had started with, when he was just beginning to discern the 'B' influences. ...
What guarantee can man have that he will not dupe himself and that he will not fall into the latter situation? The answer is simple. The purity of the magnetic centre must be scrupulously maintained from the start and all through his evolution.
How can one maintain the "purity" of the magnetic center?
Only with the work of a group in the constant vigilance against lying to the self. A group that sincerely mirrors a person and lovingly points out to them when they have become the Lady wearing the bonnet infested with lice.
"If man wants to reach the Way, it is imperative that he stops lying to himself from his first steps on the track. If not, he will not be able to build his cage or, if he is able to start building it, the walls will tumble as soon as he intentionally seeks to cheat himself. He must no longer try to justify him self when a fall occurs, while he knows in his inmost heart that the reasons he is giving himself are not valid. "
The individual with the emotional center dominant may seem to do a lot of "critical analysis," but they do it with a "terminus a quo" - or a starting point of belief. They are not quite able to divest themselves of a starting belief to which they cling no matter what. This can create special problems....
[The] method asks neither for an ideal nor for faith. It nevertheless has its danger: it requires total impartiality in the observations and conclusions to be drawn from it.
This is where the input of a sincere group is INVALUABLE and even CRUCIAL. Because of the problem of "sleeping emotional centers" having their energy usurped by the intellect, it is almost impossible to be impartial without the mirror of the group.
Mouravieff said:
If such impartiality is not observed from the start, the man risks falling deeper into Illusion.
His situation will then be worse than it was before.
The problem of achieving objectivity - which is CRUCIAL - is that the energy of the negative emotions are utilized to protect the self against TRUTH. Note Mouravieff's comment about "negative emotions, for which the keyboard is very large, ranging from melancholy to hate."
Those whose center of gravity is the emotional center, and that emotional center is very poorly developed, are generally seeking only love and acceptance. Unfortunately, they identify emotionally with their mechanical programs so deeply that it is almost impossible to tease them apart. They can even be quite intellectual. The key to this kind of intellectualism is that it is always obscure and convoluted and very poorly communicated. The word "density" is very low. Lots of words, little meaning. All of the words that such a person speaks are designed to hide the real self and can even serve to hide the self from the self since this is the kind of dialogue that goes on in their head. It exemplifies the varied "keyboard" of emotional "buttons."
A person whose emotional center is so buried and twisted is living in terror as I noted above in the discussion of the "right man." Remember that such a person MUST be right at all costs because, deep inside, they are struggling with horror at their own helplessness. Their rightness is a dam that holds back their worst fears: that they are lost and alone and that there really is no god because how could there be a god who loves them if they have to suffer so much? Their inability to feel truly loved and accepted deep within is, in effect, like being stranded in a nightmare from which they cannot wake up.
This helplessness, this fear of being alone, is very possibly based on fear of failure. Such a person is terrified of not being "good enough" to love.
As a consequence, such an individual may work very hard to succeed at something - or several things - as compensation. They work very hard to know a lot about a number of things, generally material things so that they can give evidence of their competence in a material way to the outside world.
When you listen to such a person talk, they nearly always come across as knowing lots of things and will incessantly talk AT another person, divulging all of the things they know about any given subject, their experiences, and so on and so forth. There's that "word density" problem again. Lots of talk, little substance.
Such an individual finds it almost impossible to admit that they are ever mistaken about anything, and even if of a very gentle disposition, can give the impression of a repellant self-righteousness. They are hypersensitive to any kind of criticism at all, and quite often, interpret simple interest in their activities as "critical."
What then happens is that such a person - feeling that they must compensate for some criticism with "rightness," will utilize the emotional energy to create conditions where they can prove that they are not only good enough, but better than others. The "dreaming" energy of the emotional center combined with a clever intellect, can produce all kinds of strange experiences that border on literal schizophrenia.
Gurdjieff said:
"It often happens that, having stopped before some barrier, usually the smallest and the most simple, people turn against the work, against the teacher, and against other members of the group, and accuse them of the very thing that is becoming revealed to them in themselves.
"Sometimes they repent later and blame themselves, then they again blame others, then they repent once more, and so on. But there is nothing that shows up a man better than his attitude towards the work and the teacher after he has left it.
Sometimes such tests are arranged intentionally. A man is placed in such a position that he is obliged to leave and he is fully justified in having a grievance either against the teacher or against some other person. And then he is watched to see how he will behave. A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man's nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?
"But this is not the chief thing; the chief thing is his own personal attitude, his own valuation of the ideas which he receives or has received, and his keeping or losing this valuation. A man may think for a long time and quite sincerely that he wants to work and even make great efforts, and then he may throw up everything and even definitely go against the work; justify himself, invent various fabrications, deliberately ascribe a wrong meaning to what he has heard, and so on."
"What happens to them for this?" asked one of the audience.
"Nothing-what could happen to them?" said G. "They are their own punishment. And what punishment could be worse?
It is clear that your valuation of what we do is minimal, if there is any value placed on it at all. So again I ask, if this is how you feel, why are you here?
Do you understand the concept of Free Will? That we have the right to be and do and teach as we understand reality? As we are directed from within? We accept that you have that same right, the right to be and do and teach as you see fit. We invite you to do so in your own space and from your own resources. Please conduct your own researches, your own experiments, and publish them on your own website for the people that are attracted to your work.
No one is judging you as "wrong" or bad. You are you and you have the right to be you. If you are happy with who you are, then there is no reason for you to be involved with a group of people who are working on something different.
Meanwhile, grant us the courtesy of continuing with what we do, as we see fit to do it, without the constant harassment and interruption though, indeed, we thank you for the example you have given us to observe and study.
