Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed 2 separate copies of this article.**
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed 2 separate copies of this article.**
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed two separate copies of this article.**
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed two separate copies of this article.**
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Wow - so, let's get this straight: this woman, Ms. Smullins, is being told what to say and how to say it by Jeff Rense's lawyer, and what she is being told to say is, according to available evidence, a lie. How nice of the lawyer. It also appears to not be a request, but to be a demand that she sign her name to a false statement - thereby ruining her public reputation and turning her into a proven liar, signature and all. Again, wow. That is so incredibly slimy that it's rather hard to even get my mind around it.
It comes to mind that she ought to just take it all the way to court, and force Rense's hand - bring all the evidence into a court of law and see what 'comes up' - he'd never push it that far, because if he did, he'd be proven to be a liar - that's what she should do, in my humble, outsider opinion.
Wow - so, let's get this straight: this woman, Ms. Smullins, is being told what to say and how to say it by Jeff Rense's lawyer, and what she is being told to say is, according to available evidence, a lie. How nice of the lawyer. It also appears to not be a request, but to be a demand that she sign her name to a false statement - thereby ruining her public reputation and turning her into a proven liar, signature and all. Again, wow. That is so incredibly slimy that it's rather hard to even get my mind around it.
It comes to mind that she ought to just take it all the way to court, and force Rense's hand - bring all the evidence into a court of law and see what 'comes up' - he'd never push it that far, because if he did, he'd be proven to be a liar - that's what she should do, in my humble, outsider opinion.
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Yes, you have it nailed. Slimy. Oozy pondscum slimy.
I wonder if I was sent this - at least in part - because of all the emails she's been receiving...
It's a thought...
Lisa..
Yes, you have it nailed. Slimy. Oozy pondscum slimy.
I wonder if I was sent this - at least in part - because of all the emails she's been receiving...
It's a thought...
Lisa..
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed two separate copies of this article.**
Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer;
Uses Coercion and Intimidation
by Lisa Guliani
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/renselawyer.html
After the publication of an article that I wrote for WING TV entitled Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?, we now have official confirmation that Jeff Rense has retained the services of a lawyer who is resorting to coercion and intimidation tactics in trying to pressure Patricia Smullin (owner of KOBI-TV in Oregon) into reversing herself by signing a pre-scripted statement in order to avoid a potential "defamation lawsuit."
In fact, this is what Attorney-at-Law Eugene V. Anderson wrote in a letter dated May 31, 2006 in which he wants Ms. Smullin to actually sign a statement that he himself wrote and SCRIPTED for her in advance. The next three paragraphs are what Jeff Rense's legal gun "suggests" that Ms. Smullin write:
"You had virtually no day to day contact with Mr. Rense during his tenure at KOBI-TV where he worked under the then news director, Alan Goldberg, as an anchor/director, from May 1983 to June 1984. While at KOBI Mr. Rense worked extremely hard, producing, writing, and anchoring both the 6-7 and the 11 pm newscasts, Monday through Friday. Mr. Rense was a superb anchor/producer and he earned KOBI an Arbitron rating for his newscasts of a 53 point share, which is unprecedented in our station's history.
I categorically deny the quotations attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article titled "Jeff Rense: A Reinvention of What?" by Lisa Guliani. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is a 'compulsive liar'. I deny stating that Jeff Rense is 'not known for his honesty.'
I deeply regret the totally untrue statements attributed to me in the Wingtv.net article, and I hereby issue a heartfelt, formal and public apology to Mr. Rense. I personally have a great deal of professional respect for Jeff Rense."
To read Attorney Anderson's entire letter, click here:
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page one)
Jeff Rense Lawyer (page two)
Now remember, Ms. Smullin didn't write a single word above; Jeff Rense's lawyer did! And, of course, if Ms. Smullin ever signs this SCRIPTED statement (that she didn't even write), then Jeff Rense (by dangling the threat of a defamation lawsuit in her face) would publish it on his website and pull a bait-and-switch in a transparent attempt to discredit my article. But as can be seen from the SCRIPT, his underhanded tactic has now been exposed.
**Jeff Rense was emailed two separate copies of this article.**
Update: Rense Threatening Patsy Smullin w/Legal Action
Hi Lisa,
I didn't realize you are on the Forum so welcome.!
I wish there was a way to see how Ms. Smullin is doing. I'm sure she is being flamed as much as she is being supported by e-mails etc. FWIW i sent her this:
Dear Ms. Smullin,
Please don't allow yourself to be intimidated by the tactics Jeff Rense's
lawyers is sinking to. It only shows that your evaluation of this man's
character was spot on. How dare his attorney attempt to put words in your
mouth!
You told the truth candidly and openly. We who value truth are grateful every
time this happens. It is so rare in the world today. Take him to court and
make him prove all the claims he has made on his website regarding his
tenure at the station. Make him prove that what you have stated is not true.
He won't be able to do it.
There are many on the web who are behind you. Please stand up for the
truth.
Sincerely
Hi Lisa,
I didn't realize you are on the Forum so welcome.!
I wish there was a way to see how Ms. Smullin is doing. I'm sure she is being flamed as much as she is being supported by e-mails etc. FWIW i sent her this:
Dear Ms. Smullin,
Please don't allow yourself to be intimidated by the tactics Jeff Rense's
lawyers is sinking to. It only shows that your evaluation of this man's
character was spot on. How dare his attorney attempt to put words in your
mouth!
You told the truth candidly and openly. We who value truth are grateful every
time this happens. It is so rare in the world today. Take him to court and
make him prove all the claims he has made on his website regarding his
tenure at the station. Make him prove that what you have stated is not true.
He won't be able to do it.
There are many on the web who are behind you. Please stand up for the
truth.
Sincerely
Tina
The Cosmic Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
GO! Lisa,
It's interesting that the attorney took the risk of sending this letter. They had to know you would publish it if you somehow acquired it, which would only be more damning for Mr. Rense. It's a fascinating look at intimidation tactics and in this case it seems to have backfired.
GO! Lisa,
It's interesting that the attorney took the risk of sending this letter. They had to know you would publish it if you somehow acquired it, which would only be more damning for Mr. Rense. It's a fascinating look at intimidation tactics and in this case it seems to have backfired.
Fifth Way
Jedi Council Member
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
Funy that the lawyer (green langauge = liar) even uses the same term in reference to Rense as the State Department: "misinformation"
So acording to the known misinformant, Smullin spread misiformation about him. Shocking.
Hang on! Does that mean she lied about the liar or is the liar lying about her lying? The answer one finds in the study of psychopathy/ponerology.
I'm glad to read that Rense does not plan to sue, however that could be misinformation.
Funy that the lawyer (green langauge = liar) even uses the same term in reference to Rense as the State Department: "misinformation"
So acording to the known misinformant, Smullin spread misiformation about him. Shocking.
Hang on! Does that mean she lied about the liar or is the liar lying about her lying? The answer one finds in the study of psychopathy/ponerology.
I'm glad to read that Rense does not plan to sue, however that could be misinformation.
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
hehehehehe...
LG
hehehehehe...
LG
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Update: Rense Threatening Patsy Smullin w/Legal Action
I am not placing much hope in Patsy Smullin. As Jaye said in another thread quoting someone who quit radio: "People in radio have no souls." Same holds true for TV, no doubt.
All the emails she got from folks here might have made her think, though.
I am not placing much hope in Patsy Smullin. As Jaye said in another thread quoting someone who quit radio: "People in radio have no souls." Same holds true for TV, no doubt.
All the emails she got from folks here might have made her think, though.
What Rense.com is not talking about
*picks his jaw off the floor*
That right there is why this website, this team, this forum, is unlike anything that I've ever encountered, and everything else just pales in comparison - there's a certain profoundness and objective realism to this that is missing from any other theory, idea, approach, or path I've ever encountered. And this is not a compliment, it's just how I see it. It's funny though, many people will say the same thing about many different things - be it a religion, a new age religion, or whatever it may be. So of course, who is to say that *I* am correct about THIS group and THIS particular path? Why aren't the other 6 billion people correct about their respective paths and groups when they say the same thing about them? And when Laura says that SOTT is most likely the best news website in the world, bar none (and I agree), how come the other kazillion people can't be right when they say the same thing about THEIR preferred news website?
And I think there is really no answer to that - at least not one that you could explain to someone. You either SEE it or you don't. If you don't, there's absolutely no way that someone who does see it could explain this to you or prove it to you in any way until you can get to the point where you simply see it yourself.
Warning: Long and potentially boring recounting of memories and experiences follows. Read at own risk!
I remember my first encounter with the cass website and the material on it, and my jaw has not left the ground since. And one of my first reactions was - if I can SEE it, if I can read this material and SEE it for what it is, so can anyone else! Obviously I knew I wasn't the brightest banana in the fruit basket, so obviously all my friends whom I considered smarter than me, all the teachers I had who I knew were more experienced and wiser, my family, etc - if *I* could see it, then most CERTAINLY they would also! So the only problem is that they haven't read it! So my mission was to tell everyone, because I was sure that the moment they see this material, they will recognize it for what it is as I did, they won't have a single doubt in their mind - and the world will suddenly wake up and realise its own foolishness - I have found the holy grail, I've found what the world was (I thought) so desperately searching for, and I'll be damned if I do not inform the world of this asap. After already dragging myself through religion, new age, atheism, and all variations of those, and then seeing the cass.org material, it was like coming out from being submerged underwater and breathing air again. I remember staying up sleepless nights just reading and literally shaking, my whole body was just shaking - and I couldn't stop it. I wasn't cold, I wasn't afraid, it was just an uncontrollable sort of whole-body shudder which was sort of a deep down excitement due to my inner realization of the profound nature of this material. I wanted to laugh, cry, and jump on the walls. Ok u get the point, hard to contain the excitement.
And it wasn't like the fluffy feel-good calming feeling of new age, or the comfortable "god loves me" feeling of religion, or the self-assured and self-convincing feeling of atheism. It was something else, and although the shaking has stopped (well, ok it sort of comes and goes lol), something inside me has never been the same since. Needless to say, no one I showed this material to in naive anticipation has ever had the same recognition of it as I did (not counting the internet).
That was kinda when I began to get a real sense of the terror of the situation first hand. I was throwing gold at people, I was throwing diamonds at them freely and rather naively, and they were reacting like I was throwing mud and rocks. Then I decided that maybe I need a bigger audience, so I went online to ATS (AboveTopSecret), where I already happened to have an account. Ok that was my second shock - size of audience did not matter, and in fact, that's when the totally absurd attacks began on the material right in front of me. Absurd because they were SO easy to prove false, or because they were subjective, or because they were assumptions with nothing to back them up at all, or simply so stupid and obviously contrived that I couldn't understand why someone would do that - didn't they want to know the truth!?
I think this was one of the biggest pills for me to swallow - no they didn't. They were all screaming about how they want truth, but none of them actually recognized it when they saw it, none of them actually questioned reality, none of them actually questioned their beliefs and assumptions and subjectivity - it was all hot air, it was all just to be "part of the club", none of it was real. And it actually took a few years before that lesson sunk in - I was in utter disbelief, I endlessly battled and debated and tried every approach I could imagine, thinking that maybe I was doing something wrong, I was so sure that it was my approach at fault, and that their desire for truth was sincere. But no, no approach worked.
So anyway, Laura, I'm really glad you have this uncanny ability to stay on the path despite constant attempts to either knock you down completely or make you change direction ever so slightly that you still continue to think u're on the path but are no longer. Actually that has probably been my biggest worry - that the group steers itself off course very slightly, but enough to no longer be on the course that Jesus described as the eye of a needle - one blink, one mis-direction, and you miss it. There are other "4th way" groups and esoteric groups and paths, and many even have a big chunk of truth in them because they are rooted in the same material that this group reads and studies, but so far it is only this group (that I've seen) that is not satisfied with just a big chunk of truth seasoned with a sprinkle of assumption and a side of subjectivity, but here's it's ALL or NOTHING. It's the real deal, except no substitutes.
If truth is like diamonds and gold, then this group is Scrooge McDuck (er, except he doesn't share, but this group has the vault doors wide open) :D
*picks his jaw off the floor*
That right there is why this website, this team, this forum, is unlike anything that I've ever encountered, and everything else just pales in comparison - there's a certain profoundness and objective realism to this that is missing from any other theory, idea, approach, or path I've ever encountered. And this is not a compliment, it's just how I see it. It's funny though, many people will say the same thing about many different things - be it a religion, a new age religion, or whatever it may be. So of course, who is to say that *I* am correct about THIS group and THIS particular path? Why aren't the other 6 billion people correct about their respective paths and groups when they say the same thing about them? And when Laura says that SOTT is most likely the best news website in the world, bar none (and I agree), how come the other kazillion people can't be right when they say the same thing about THEIR preferred news website?
And I think there is really no answer to that - at least not one that you could explain to someone. You either SEE it or you don't. If you don't, there's absolutely no way that someone who does see it could explain this to you or prove it to you in any way until you can get to the point where you simply see it yourself.
Warning: Long and potentially boring recounting of memories and experiences follows. Read at own risk!
I remember my first encounter with the cass website and the material on it, and my jaw has not left the ground since. And one of my first reactions was - if I can SEE it, if I can read this material and SEE it for what it is, so can anyone else! Obviously I knew I wasn't the brightest banana in the fruit basket, so obviously all my friends whom I considered smarter than me, all the teachers I had who I knew were more experienced and wiser, my family, etc - if *I* could see it, then most CERTAINLY they would also! So the only problem is that they haven't read it! So my mission was to tell everyone, because I was sure that the moment they see this material, they will recognize it for what it is as I did, they won't have a single doubt in their mind - and the world will suddenly wake up and realise its own foolishness - I have found the holy grail, I've found what the world was (I thought) so desperately searching for, and I'll be damned if I do not inform the world of this asap. After already dragging myself through religion, new age, atheism, and all variations of those, and then seeing the cass.org material, it was like coming out from being submerged underwater and breathing air again. I remember staying up sleepless nights just reading and literally shaking, my whole body was just shaking - and I couldn't stop it. I wasn't cold, I wasn't afraid, it was just an uncontrollable sort of whole-body shudder which was sort of a deep down excitement due to my inner realization of the profound nature of this material. I wanted to laugh, cry, and jump on the walls. Ok u get the point, hard to contain the excitement.
And it wasn't like the fluffy feel-good calming feeling of new age, or the comfortable "god loves me" feeling of religion, or the self-assured and self-convincing feeling of atheism. It was something else, and although the shaking has stopped (well, ok it sort of comes and goes lol), something inside me has never been the same since. Needless to say, no one I showed this material to in naive anticipation has ever had the same recognition of it as I did (not counting the internet).
That was kinda when I began to get a real sense of the terror of the situation first hand. I was throwing gold at people, I was throwing diamonds at them freely and rather naively, and they were reacting like I was throwing mud and rocks. Then I decided that maybe I need a bigger audience, so I went online to ATS (AboveTopSecret), where I already happened to have an account. Ok that was my second shock - size of audience did not matter, and in fact, that's when the totally absurd attacks began on the material right in front of me. Absurd because they were SO easy to prove false, or because they were subjective, or because they were assumptions with nothing to back them up at all, or simply so stupid and obviously contrived that I couldn't understand why someone would do that - didn't they want to know the truth!?
I think this was one of the biggest pills for me to swallow - no they didn't. They were all screaming about how they want truth, but none of them actually recognized it when they saw it, none of them actually questioned reality, none of them actually questioned their beliefs and assumptions and subjectivity - it was all hot air, it was all just to be "part of the club", none of it was real. And it actually took a few years before that lesson sunk in - I was in utter disbelief, I endlessly battled and debated and tried every approach I could imagine, thinking that maybe I was doing something wrong, I was so sure that it was my approach at fault, and that their desire for truth was sincere. But no, no approach worked.
So anyway, Laura, I'm really glad you have this uncanny ability to stay on the path despite constant attempts to either knock you down completely or make you change direction ever so slightly that you still continue to think u're on the path but are no longer. Actually that has probably been my biggest worry - that the group steers itself off course very slightly, but enough to no longer be on the course that Jesus described as the eye of a needle - one blink, one mis-direction, and you miss it. There are other "4th way" groups and esoteric groups and paths, and many even have a big chunk of truth in them because they are rooted in the same material that this group reads and studies, but so far it is only this group (that I've seen) that is not satisfied with just a big chunk of truth seasoned with a sprinkle of assumption and a side of subjectivity, but here's it's ALL or NOTHING. It's the real deal, except no substitutes.
If truth is like diamonds and gold, then this group is Scrooge McDuck (er, except he doesn't share, but this group has the vault doors wide open) :D
Justin
Jedi Master
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
So...Ms. Smullins is not only being asked to retract statements. She is being asked to make additional statements. Unbelievable.
The document Ms. Smullins is being asked to sign has positive things in it about Rense, presumably so that in the unlikely event she does sign it, Rense can post it as confirmation of his story (lies).
So...Ms. Smullins is not only being asked to retract statements. She is being asked to make additional statements. Unbelievable.
The document Ms. Smullins is being asked to sign has positive things in it about Rense, presumably so that in the unlikely event she does sign it, Rense can post it as confirmation of his story (lies).
This is just awful and absurd.
UPDATE: Jeff Rense Retains Lawyer; Uses Coercion & Intimidation
And lest we forget, the State Department has listed Rense as a "misinformation" specialist, so if Patsy signs that statement, she will be claiming that a guy the Gov says is a liar is telling the truth!
Oh, Jeffy, what a tangled web we weave...
And lest we forget, the State Department has listed Rense as a "misinformation" specialist, so if Patsy signs that statement, she will be claiming that a guy the Gov says is a liar is telling the truth!
Oh, Jeffy, what a tangled web we weave...
What Rense.com is not talking about
You are welcome. I know that if I keep saying things, trying new ways of saying them, saying them under different circumstances, that different people will "get it." This is especially true when that person has been through some more experiences and has seen certain things. In the present situation, it is all the more meaningful after the past weeks of "local experiences" here in the forum.
Keit mentioned the problems she had with her group. Well, these were problems that we were already aware of, that we were experimenting ways of dealing with, but it was very difficult to explain to anyone and even convince them that it is possible for their own mind to be their worst enemy. People really don't grok the fact that most of what they think is the "self," is really the false personality that has been created as a defense against the world, beginning with infancy.
Yes, I wrote about this in The Wave - remember the discussions on the various circuits and imprinting? - but until you have experienced it or witnessed it, until you have seen people's minds get "taken over" by emotional thinking that is totally out of synch with objective reality, until you have even done it yourself a time or two - you just don't believe it can happen and how quickly and subtly.
This is the very FIRST issue that a student of esotericism MUST learn to deal with before they do anything else: they must ruthlessly, and without pity for the self and others, analyze and assess their true situation, their true ability to see, their reading instrument, the "film of their life". If you can't see OBJECTIVELY, ALL ELSE you attempt to achieve can be contaminated, can be false "readings."
But people want to know how to have "psychic experiences" and do this or that relating to "phenomena." They never stop to ask themselves: "well, if I can't even master my own programs, how can I be sure that anything I do, or think, or think I do isn't another illusion, delusion, or lie to the self???"
Woman do have a bit of an advantage over men because they have PMS to use as an example. A woman has a monthly experience with having chemicals of emotion cloud and twist the thinking processes. All they have to do is understand that the same thing happens in many other ways, that chemicals can be triggered by all kinds of things "out there" that do the same twisting, clouding and distorting of reality... and sometimes, very subtly.
Further, when you are used to "feeling a certain way" in response to a particular thing, for all of your life, you don't notice the "shift" from your previous "objective state" to a now subjective one. You just know that when you are around people who say or do something in particular, it makes you feel a certain way. You are sure that this is "normal" and the "correct reaction" - that it is part of your thinking and that this thinking is rational, reasonable, and even YOURS. You may even tell yourself that it is part of your "psychic perception." The fact is, it might be... but more likely is that it is simply a program; the same old same old that your parents did, their parents before them, that they did to you and made you that way and it has nothing whatsoever to do with objective reality.
Anyway, getting the "reading instrument calibrated" is the first work on the self that the student of esotericism must master. And to do that, you have to know yourself and know other people and know a great deal of psychology. And that is why we promote the course of learning that we do.
People want to know: what does psychopathy, what does ponerology, what does learning how to network properly have to do with esotericism? They may say or think: "I want to know how to read auras," or "I want to be able to heal" or "I want to be able to manifest things in my life" or "get the answers directly from my higher self" or whatever. They don't get it that anything you do along that line can so easily be more and more lies - either from others, from things "out there" or worse, lies to the self.
I'm sure that you can see how this is true in so many instances in OTHERS. It's not so easy to see in the self.
Now, let me add something encouraging: what we have learned from DOing this is that, surprise surprise! the very act of calibration of the "reading instrument" actually DOES have certain interesting byproducts including an increase in what could be called "telepathic" abilities and other "goodies". The reason for this is that, yes, there is a "psychic sensory organ" in most people. The problem is, that we override it most of the time with our programs. But when you begin the process of working with robust feedback in a group where all the members are sincere and seeking the same goal: Truth, you begin to be able to access the "eyes of the soul" by calibration. Mouravieff says, the higher intellect and the higher emotional center are the "eyes of the soul." When you begin to work to align what the lower intellect and lower emotional center see and experience with that of the higher centers, you then begin to have access to information that is otherwise unavailable to you because you are always flooded with chemicals of emotion that trigger programs that are put there by someone else at a time and under conditions that you did not choose (at least not consciously).
So, having a group that will gather around you and gently and honestly give you feedback about the blind spot(s) in your mind/self is the greatest gift you will ever receive. A person who rejects this, who goes into an emotional state of resentment or anger or "I'll show them" is rejecting the most precious gift that anyone could ever give them. You could even say that this assimilating of B influences, the "higher perception," which helps to fuse the magnetic center which then "seats" the higher emotional center is the "cornerstone" rejected by the builders...
When you think of all the metaphors of alchemy in these terms, it all begins to make sense...
You are welcome. I know that if I keep saying things, trying new ways of saying them, saying them under different circumstances, that different people will "get it." This is especially true when that person has been through some more experiences and has seen certain things. In the present situation, it is all the more meaningful after the past weeks of "local experiences" here in the forum.
Keit mentioned the problems she had with her group. Well, these were problems that we were already aware of, that we were experimenting ways of dealing with, but it was very difficult to explain to anyone and even convince them that it is possible for their own mind to be their worst enemy. People really don't grok the fact that most of what they think is the "self," is really the false personality that has been created as a defense against the world, beginning with infancy.
Yes, I wrote about this in The Wave - remember the discussions on the various circuits and imprinting? - but until you have experienced it or witnessed it, until you have seen people's minds get "taken over" by emotional thinking that is totally out of synch with objective reality, until you have even done it yourself a time or two - you just don't believe it can happen and how quickly and subtly.
This is the very FIRST issue that a student of esotericism MUST learn to deal with before they do anything else: they must ruthlessly, and without pity for the self and others, analyze and assess their true situation, their true ability to see, their reading instrument, the "film of their life". If you can't see OBJECTIVELY, ALL ELSE you attempt to achieve can be contaminated, can be false "readings."
But people want to know how to have "psychic experiences" and do this or that relating to "phenomena." They never stop to ask themselves: "well, if I can't even master my own programs, how can I be sure that anything I do, or think, or think I do isn't another illusion, delusion, or lie to the self???"
Woman do have a bit of an advantage over men because they have PMS to use as an example. A woman has a monthly experience with having chemicals of emotion cloud and twist the thinking processes. All they have to do is understand that the same thing happens in many other ways, that chemicals can be triggered by all kinds of things "out there" that do the same twisting, clouding and distorting of reality... and sometimes, very subtly.
Further, when you are used to "feeling a certain way" in response to a particular thing, for all of your life, you don't notice the "shift" from your previous "objective state" to a now subjective one. You just know that when you are around people who say or do something in particular, it makes you feel a certain way. You are sure that this is "normal" and the "correct reaction" - that it is part of your thinking and that this thinking is rational, reasonable, and even YOURS. You may even tell yourself that it is part of your "psychic perception." The fact is, it might be... but more likely is that it is simply a program; the same old same old that your parents did, their parents before them, that they did to you and made you that way and it has nothing whatsoever to do with objective reality.
Anyway, getting the "reading instrument calibrated" is the first work on the self that the student of esotericism must master. And to do that, you have to know yourself and know other people and know a great deal of psychology. And that is why we promote the course of learning that we do.
People want to know: what does psychopathy, what does ponerology, what does learning how to network properly have to do with esotericism? They may say or think: "I want to know how to read auras," or "I want to be able to heal" or "I want to be able to manifest things in my life" or "get the answers directly from my higher self" or whatever. They don't get it that anything you do along that line can so easily be more and more lies - either from others, from things "out there" or worse, lies to the self.
I'm sure that you can see how this is true in so many instances in OTHERS. It's not so easy to see in the self.
Now, let me add something encouraging: what we have learned from DOing this is that, surprise surprise! the very act of calibration of the "reading instrument" actually DOES have certain interesting byproducts including an increase in what could be called "telepathic" abilities and other "goodies". The reason for this is that, yes, there is a "psychic sensory organ" in most people. The problem is, that we override it most of the time with our programs. But when you begin the process of working with robust feedback in a group where all the members are sincere and seeking the same goal: Truth, you begin to be able to access the "eyes of the soul" by calibration. Mouravieff says, the higher intellect and the higher emotional center are the "eyes of the soul." When you begin to work to align what the lower intellect and lower emotional center see and experience with that of the higher centers, you then begin to have access to information that is otherwise unavailable to you because you are always flooded with chemicals of emotion that trigger programs that are put there by someone else at a time and under conditions that you did not choose (at least not consciously).
So, having a group that will gather around you and gently and honestly give you feedback about the blind spot(s) in your mind/self is the greatest gift you will ever receive. A person who rejects this, who goes into an emotional state of resentment or anger or "I'll show them" is rejecting the most precious gift that anyone could ever give them. You could even say that this assimilating of B influences, the "higher perception," which helps to fuse the magnetic center which then "seats" the higher emotional center is the "cornerstone" rejected by the builders...
When you think of all the metaphors of alchemy in these terms, it all begins to make sense...
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