Jeff Rense EXPOSED!!

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Curious that it comes out now. It appears more like damage control to me as to verify the realness of Jeff Rense. The words that "this proves that he is not wearing a wig" just shows that his handlers have felt the need to come up with something after his expose on SOTT and WingTV, or so it appears to me.
They must really be scared as Laura wrote yesterday on this thread http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1979.msg11763#msg11763
Anders
 
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What I find interesting how people from one country who want to live in another country are freely described as "illegals" with all the baggage and subconscious association that comes with that word. Is this further evidence of indoctrination by "The Man"?

The whole concept of "countries" I find rather strange if I really think about it, why shouldn't a person be able to live where they best think fit?
 
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No, I made the distinction in using the term in a previous post (if my post is what you refer to).
I mentioned the process involved with legally becoming a citizen here and the fact that many do not want to stand in that line and go through the process. They want instead, to cut the line and circumvent it.
There is a regrettably long process a foreign born person is supposed to go through in trying to enter the United States, as you know. when they go through the process, they are not called illegals. when they refuse to take the existent pathway to citizenship that is in place, then they are deemed illegal, since they are breaking the law.
What would happen to Americans who decide to do the same thing and enter Mexico or other countries in the same way?
Do they get shot?

I'm not saying this (the way things are done here in America) is an optimal way to do things, because obviously it is NOT. It's pretty obvious to everybody that the way the immigration issue is being handled is not working and has not been working.

They have made the path to citizenship a long, discouraging process for those who choose to come here and it has gotten even more bogged down as the sheer numbers of people trying to enter have increased.
People can end up waiting years on that line to become citizens.
I can understand and empathize with the desperation and need of starving, poverty stricken people and their wanting to better their life situations. Who wouldn't?
Who in their right mind has a problem with anyone wanting to achieve a better life? Isn't that what we all want?
You need to realize that the people here have been very deeply conditioned to think certain ways about most everything. The thinking is subject to shifting depending upon how the PTB feel like using any given situation to their advantage, so the headgames never end here.
We are supposed to obey the laws, the entire zillion of them, most of them we don't even know about.
We are bombarded with rules, ordinances, laws regulations, etc..
So, there is resentment when some people think they shouldn't have to follow the same rules, laws, etc..
You have the media stoking the fires on both sides of the immigration issue, same as with the bogus war.
People here are conditioned about everything.
I know one guy here who drives around with a bumper sticker on his car that says "Bomb mecca."
My own mother even thinks we should bomb Iran, because FOX News tells her this and FOX News "wouldn't lie to her". It's really disgusting how people here are played with and how easily they've been made to believe without questioning WHY.

Part of me believes America deserves to fall, even though I do not want to see that happen.
The conditioning of the people has been long, slow, insidious, even subtle and it is the American people who allowed the government (and the media) to become such monstrosities. Agreed.
More people are coming to realize what is going on, but many are not going to snap out of it, no matter what.
They've been programmed to think certain things, this programming is constantly reinforced, and becomes more deeply engrained. There is a very real fear that illegal immigrants will take over the country, or at least, parts of it. This fear is stoked and fed by the media.

I think people should be allowed to live wherever the heck they want to live, but I live in a country with more rules and laws on the books than I have hairs on my head - and the term illegals refers to people who do not follow the existent pathway to citizenship, not to all immigrants.
At least, this is my understanding of the word.
I suppose other people have different understandings of it.

Lisa
 
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Lisa said:
No, I made the distinction in using the term in a previous post (if my post is what you refer to).
I mentioned the process involved with legally becoming a citizen here and the fact that many do not want to stand in that line and go through the process. They want instead, to cut the line and circumvent it.
There is a regrettably long process a foreign born person is supposed to go through in trying to enter the United States, as you know. when they go through the process, they are not called illegals. when they refuse to take the existent pathway to citizenship that is in place, then they are deemed illegal, since they are breaking the law.
What would happen to Americans who decide to do the same thing and enter Mexico or other countries in the same way?

Do they get shot?
I can give a little bit of insight on this since my husband, as a citizen of Poland, had to go through the whole immigration thing. He has also spent most of his working career working in other countries than his own... so he is familiar with how things are done elsewhere.

Bottom line is this: the U.S. immigration system is the most degrading and demeaning process that any human being may ever have to go through. As I sat in the waiting room with him for endless hours and observed how the system worked, I became deeply ashamed of America. And this was well before 9/11.

What I - and my children - have had to do to become legal residents of France was basically simple and did not include long lines, being treated with disdain and contempt or being treated like a criminal.

In the U.S., for example - and this was before 9/11 - they fingerprint everyone. We have never been fingerprinted for immigration purposes in France.

So, that is the short version.

Another interesting observation: I never realized how pervasive the police presence was in the U.S. until we came to France. I mean, you drive from here to there in the U.S. and you pass or are passed by, police cars, state troopers, or whatever. It's almost guaranteed that you will be.

But in France, that pervasive "police cruising the highways" thing just doesn't exist.

Now, explain to me why it is that in the "Land of the Free" we are so conditioned to think that having so many cops all over the place is "normal"???

Just an observation that struck me.
 
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Funny that the only other person I ever knew who was equally obsessed with opera, was a really messed up guy. I wrote about him in "Amazing Grace" as follows:

[My friend] Tom was also a science fiction fan. There were several authors whose stories he admired greatly, among them a certain Keith Laumer. One day, he excitedly announced to me that not only had he discovered that this esteemed person lived in Florida, but that he lived near The Farm in the wilds of Weeki Wachee. Further, Tom had driven over to visit him and had been invited back; did I want to come?

I never really cared to read science fiction, but I agreed to go because it seemed like a sort of holiday outing, and I was curious to meet a real writer!

This meeting signified the opening of the door to a series of profound, life changing events. And twenty years later, another meeting with Keith, though he would then be on "the other side," opened the door to the most profound experience of all.

But at the moment, Keith Laumer was my introduction to a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Keith Laumer had retired from the diplomatic corps to write, and had achieved some success and a reputation as a prolific science fiction novelist. Keith was pleased to have sold movie rights to a book adapted for the screen with a starring role for Michael Caine. But he had recently suffered a stroke that paralyzed the left side of his body. He was a tall man, emaciated by ill health. His body, though gaunt, appeared normal, but his left arm and leg were terribly still.

Tom was Keith's great fan, but I tried to avoid notice on our first visit. I didn't want to admit that I had never read any science fiction, so I pretty much kept my mouth shut. Keith was a real raconteur and was obviously having a good time regaling us with his adventures in the diplomatic service in Burma. Keith was brilliant and charming or sarcastic and vulgar by turns. He seemed Hell bent on destroying himself. More than anything, he seemed starved for companionship.

At last he turned his attention to me. "Such a quiet mouse," he said.

"I've never been anywhere," I blurted. "And I haven't read any science fiction."

I rather expected a sarcastic or derogatory comment, but Keith turned on the charm.

"Honesty is a virtue," he declared. "And such an abysmal lack is certainly one that can and must be rectified immediately. Follow me! "

He summoned us to a large pantry off his kitchen toward a wall of shelves containing extra copies of all his books. I was impressed! Selecting a half dozen or so, he piled them into my hands. Tom asked when Mr. Laumer would write his next book. After such a charming and pleasant reaction, when I had expected censure over the fact that I was not a fan, I was completely taken aback by the instant shift in his mood. He literally erupted into rancorous violence and malevolent self-deprecation.

"There will be no more books! How can a cripple write?" His face got red; blood vessels bulged on his neck; the paralyzed arm and leg jerked spasmodically as he visibly swelled in rage. Flecks of foam flew from his mouth as he denounced every member of his family, starting with his brother. "He defaced my house installing hand-rails for a CRIPPLE! And my mother! She dared to suggest that I might benefit from a long-term rehabilitation center for CRIPPLES! They have all abandoned me because I am now the most disgusting of all creatures: a CRIPPLE! More than that, to add insult to injury, my vile bitch of an ex-wife married a CRIPPLE, after abandoning me, the most excellent specimen of manly vigor, and now I am reduced to this!"

The language he used to vilify these people (and more I can't even remember) was relentlessly malevolent and sufficiently rousing to peel the chrome off a car bumper! I had never witnessed anything like it in my life. It sure gave new meaning to the term "conniption," which I had never really understood before!

Then Keith turned on a dime. The raging fit stopped in an instant, and he gazed down at his good hand lying still beside him. I think I was even more stunned to see a tear trickle down his cheek than by the vehemence of his bitterness and self-loathing.

He lamented quietly and mournfully that he was no longer a man.

But the drama was not over. Keith reached between the sofa cushions and drew out a pistol. My heart skipped a beat. I was sure he was going to murder us! But, no, he pointed the gun to his own head and said dolefully: "Here's the proof I'm no longer a man! I don't even have the courage to put a period to my own miserable existence!"

He warmed up with rage again. I was afraid he'd reach another peak of violence and actually do it right there in front of us! I was so alarmed that I began to plead with him. "Mr. Laumer! Please don't do such a terrible thing! Your life surely is not over. As long as you're alive, there's hope!"

He began to cry. "I have no reason to live. I've been abandoned by the world because of my disgusting, repulsive, damaged body! Even my own family can't bear to look at me." He wept bitterly.

I assured him that this could not be true! I firmly took the hand holding the gun and removed the pistol gingerly, wondering if it had one of those hair triggers you see in Western movies. I leaned far to the right of the sofa and put the gun out of his reach. Keith grabbed my hand and kissed it, thanking me profusely for my assurances that he was not the most despised of human beings!

Talk about a scene out of a movie!

Tom added his assurances to mine. "We'll help any way we can," Tom said. "You have only to ask. You're not friendless any more!"

I was completely overcome with sympathy for this tortured soul, and I guess he could see it in my eyes. He told us that, yes, perhaps he might make it with such friends. If we would not turn against him like everyone else had, he would have the heart to go on! We all began to plan how we were going to make sure that he could continue turning out his books, how he could regain his health, how he could find joy in life again. ...

So I gave notice at my job and soon was off to help Keith get his life back together.

First, I needed to get some decent food into him. Next, clean the house. He had been so verbally abusive to his regular cleaning lady for the infraction of moving an object on his desk that she refused to come back. Now, layers of dust, mold and mildew multiplied everywhere.

His lakeshore home was a lovely modernistic structure built of red brick with an entire glass wall that soared 24 feet high overlooking the water that surrounded the house on three sides. River stone terraces ran toward the banks, and tall pines sheltered the house from the wind. It really was a pleasure to put all to rights again.

When I was ready to go home at the first weekend, Keith sniffled and made dolorous remarks about how difficult it would be to survive until I returned. When I did get back after two nice and peaceful days with my grandparents, I found that Keith had eaten absolutely nothing and had survived on bottles of beer!

This was appalling. Without me to watch things, he'd go down the tubes! I could hardly bear to see so brilliant a man disintegrated by suffering. As weeks passed, it became progressively harder for me to leave on time.

I organized his schedule, devised ways he could write in comfort, typed his manuscripts, made him eat regularly, and protected him from the outside world. Brain damage from the stroke included disruption of the emotional centers. Keith could go from a pleasant conversation to raging lunatic frenzy in seconds, foaming at the mouth, his paralyzed limbs jerking and twitching. And his language could have sent Hell demons fleeing. But he didn't show anger toward me; at least not in the beginning. Keith lashed out at himself, other people, or inanimate objects instead.

He read and studied, obsessed with regaining the use of his paralyzed limbs. It didn't matter if a promising therapy was halfway around the world - he was off to try it immediately. I made endless reservations, packed his bag, and drove him to the airport over and over again. He left with such anticipation and hope. And when I went to pick him up, he insisted he felt much better, even if neither of us could gauge any external difference. He was sure his efforts were cumulative; one day he would wake up and the nightmare would be over. His self-image was so completely tied up in physical prowess that nothing short of total recovery would be satisfactory.

Since he had been a regular distance runner before his stroke, he decided that running would be one way to retrain his body, which would then reprogram his brain. He marked off a measured distance on his long circular driveway, and each day we would go out while he ran the distance. He wanted to shorten the time it took by one second each day until he could get back to his old, pre-stroke time.

Calling what Keith was doing on that track "running" is really stretching it. His left leg was in a metal brace to keep the knee joint from bending backward and the ankle joint from collapsing entirely. It was more of a series of hops and drags than an actual run. He gamely gave it all he had until he was perspiring profusely. It broke my heart to see him torturing himself this way while I stood there holding the stopwatch, urging him on.

Keith loved opera. Puccini, mostly, and every waking hour, literally. He had a phonograph that was in the living room with the 24-foot ceiling, and he turned up the volume as high as it would go without distortion to hear his favorite arias throughout the house.

He also had numerous eight-track tapes of Puccini and whenever we went anywhere in the car, the volume was turned up as high as it would go without causing physical pain. This did distract me if I was driving, but not as much as the leg-jerking mouth foaming fit I'd encounter if I suggested we turn it down a bit. I grew to detest operatic music. There was no escape from Puccini and his arias. Except when we went for walks. Nowadays, of course, he would have taken a Walkman along!

I enjoyed our long walks to search for fat lighter pine in the woods surrounding his home. With three fireplaces in the house, and Keith's habit of keeping a fire going at all times, even in summer, we needed a lot to start the daily fire. On our walks, he confided details of his life, ideas, his studies, his work, and taught me all he knew about science, which was a lot. He was brilliant, and his knowledge in many areas was vast and profound, so I was challenged constantly to keep up with him.

But Keith didn't have a very high opinion of women. This was as much cultural as experiential. Like many men, he viewed women as objects not worthy of engaging in serious conversation. However, at this point in his life, it was me or nobody. Yes, Tom came out to visit once in awhile, but I became Keith's constant companion, and little by little, the subjects open to discussion expanded until we engaged in lengthy philosophical debates. He was not used to having conversations with a female on such subjects, and he naturally would dismiss some of my arguments without any consideration at all. But, if I refused to speak any more until he at least acknowledged that my thoughts had some merit, he soon learned to not reject an idea just because a woman said it.

At some point, he remarked that I was the most intelligent conversationalist he had ever known - for a woman. Well, I wasn't going to push it, so I took it as a compliment.

As I helped him to regain his life in many respects, he was helping me to obtain a much wider view of the world and the cosmos. I encouraged and calmed him. And he began to thrive. He challenged and taught me, and I had the chance to sharpen my thinking with one of the brightest men I have ever known.

Keith was absolutely certain he did not believe in God or any kind of consciousness except as a by-product of evolution. He utterly rejected the concept of a soul. I did, of course, believe that there was consciousness beyond matter, though at this point I was not precisely sure in what context I believed. This was a topic of endless discussion between us, and I found that I was being challenged to look at the matter in a new way: pure science.

Keith had an extensive library with a great many science texts. I had neglected strict scientific inquiry in favor of social and historical explorations or "metaphysical" applications. A fundamental question took shape in my mind: Does consciousness exist independent of matter at all? This question went well beyond trying to solve the problem of Evil in a universe purportedly created by an all-wise and loving Perfect Creator. According to Keith there was no God to consider, Evil was simply an evolutionary stage in the development of mankind (who was, by the way, the sublimest and most perfect product of chance mutation and survival of the fittest). Consciousness was merely a by-product of mindless evolution.

Even if I now doubted the existence of God in the terms of any particular religion or philosophy, I never doubted the value of the human being as consciousness, whether that consciousness existed as a by-product of matter or not. Keith disagreed. He repeatedly expressed views of eugenics popular among many Darwinists. Only human beings who were superior, both mentally and physically, should be allowed to reproduce. All children who were less than perfect in any way should be euthanized. People who were a burden on society by virtue of age, infirmity, or some catastrophic physical damage, needed to be done away with humanely. Of course, that brought him to the inescapable conclusion that he was no longer worthy to be allowed to draw breath. And this was at the very root of his rage and self-denigration.

He had even married his first cousin so their children would be of the same "superior lineage". (His wife had left him some years before his stroke.) This subject was something of a hot issue between us, and one day I told him the story of my friend Sammy.

Sammy was a Thalidomide baby. He lived two doors away from my grandparent's house. We were best friends for many years. Sammy had no arms and one leg was a vestigial "flipper". The other leg was normal. But he was a genius with a delightful personality and an assertive, no-nonsense, ambitious nature. There was no question that he was "in charge" in our relationship! I spent a lot of time executing his wishes, building things, setting things up, fetching and carrying. Just generally being his arms and legs. I'll never forget the year that he decided that Christmas trees ought to have a use after Christmas, and we were going to create a "magic forest". It was my job to go up and down the streets of our neighborhood and retrieve all the trees set out for the trash collectors. I had to drag them back, many of them bigger than I was, and set them up according to Sammy's specifications. In the end, we had about 50 trees. It was quite a sight to behold! His parents probably weren't terribly happy to see such an assemblage of items that would need to be disposed of eventually, but they good-naturedly let them stand until they were bare of needles before finally having them hauled away.

I never thought much about the fact that Sammy was "different" when we were very little. I was four and he was two when we were plopped into a sandbox together for the first time. All of his development took place before my eyes, for the most part, and seemed natural. He could do just about everything with his feet that I could do with my hands, including using scissors and playing the organ. When he came over to our house to play and have a snack, he sat on a special stool the same height as the table so he could use his feet to eat. Once he was situated, my grandmother would wash his feet for him.

As we grew older, however, I often accompanied him and his mother on a trip to the market, a department store or a movie. I became aware that other people stared and moved away from him, and so I came to realize that his difference was really different. I was already so accustomed to his difference being acceptable that I thought the people who stared had very bad manners. It was only when I grew up that I learned that Sammy was the way he was because a doctor gave his mother some pills for morning sickness.

I never, ever forgot that a doctor - acting in good faith - had done this.

As I told Sammy's story to Keith, I knew that Sammy was attending college at that very moment. I knew he'd been valedictorian of his high school graduating class. Sammy had a wide circle of friends, and clearly a great deal to offer humanity, both from his amazing intellect and his super personality.

"Should such a person, who did nothing to be guilty of such an affliction, be euthanized?" I asked Keith.
"Yes," he said, and walked away, ending the discussion.

I could not believe it. To suggest that my adored Sammy had no right to live was so revolting a thought that I couldn't plumb the depths of a mind that could conceive this view of humanity. My feelings toward Keith changed at that moment. I could see how totally fitting his own condition truly was. If there were evidence of "consciousness" independent of matter, Keith's own experience of being forced to face this issue was very practical proof (to me) of higher purpose.

I realized that I played a role in Keith's life similar to the one I had in Sammy's. What was the nature of the evil that brought affliction on Sammy and Keith alike? In a sense, they were both stricken seemingly without reason. The real contrast was in their reaction to their situation. Sammy accepted his life and saw everything as perfect under conditions that would have crushed some people. Keith, with so many years of physical perfection to be thankful for, could now do nothing but revile the Universe and seek constantly to change everything to conform to his view of perfection. I never felt pity for Sammy. But I now had nothing but pity for Keith. And not for his condition; for the poverty of his soul.

I think Keith felt the change in my feelings toward him. The anger in him began to shift subtly in my direction. Up to this point, we had interacted very much like companions helping one another; teacher and pupil, nurse and patient. Now he began to respond to me more like a man to a woman. This was not good news. To him a woman was an object that was owned.

I had already heard the story of why his wife had left him. As he explained it, she just didn't understand that it meant nothing when he had "affairs". How dare she run off to Spain with an artist and leave him with the children in England? (He had three beautiful and talented daughters.) Well, figure it out!

Little by little, Keith put me under a jar where I could neither breathe nor move without his scrutiny or control. This became unbearable. Along with this increasing interest in controlling me came a disturbing tendency to "test" me; to act out and see how far he could go before I reacted.

One day he couldn't find a bottle opener in the drawer where it belonged. It was in the sink to be washed, not two feet from the drawer. He went into a rage, pulled out all the dishes in the cabinet, and started throwing them at me. They smashed against the wall. Slivers of glass and china were bouncing all over the place. I was in a corner and managed to get away, but by this time, he had broken nearly every dish in that cupboard. I was so furious with him that I went directly to my bedroom and began to pack my bag to leave.

He came to the open door, saw what I was doing, and meekly apologized. I didn't even speak to him. I didn't want to hear any apologies. When he saw how disgusted I was with his behavior, he broke down and cried and begged me not to go and promised he would never take his frustration out on me again.

"You know that with all I have to bear that the least frustration is intolerable," he wept. "I'm so painfully aware of how inadequate I am as a man! You deserve so much better than me. I'm just a broken down wreck!"

I felt alarmed that he was thinking of me this way. But at the same time, concerned that he should not be hurt, I swallowed my anger and made light of it and went to the kitchen to clean up the broken china.

Not too long afterward, making a call to his agent in New York, he was shouting at the telephone operator in vibrantly colorful language that escalated to a new altitude of violence. Then he bashed the phone against the stone fireplace as if he wanted to do this to the poor woman. Now, the old telephones were pretty sturdy instruments, but nothing could have withstood that! The phone flew to pieces as though a bomb had exploded inside it! Naturally, I cleaned up the mess and called the phone company with a fabricated excuse why he needed a replacement.

This next incident plays a significant role in events years later, during a second "meeting" with Keith, twenty years later, when he had already "passed over".

I had driven Keith to a specialty butcher shop to pick up a large order of meat for his freezer. He examined the packages of frozen meat, neatly packed in boxes, and noticed right away that the sirloin had been cut into steaks, not ground into burger as he had instructed. He began shouting at the butcher and working himself into another foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy. I was shocked nearly out of my senses when he began throwing the packages of frozen meat at the poor man's head! I tried to calm Keith down, to plead with him to behave, to defend the butcher, but every word I said only seemed to inflame him the more. I didn't know what else to do except turn and walk out the door.

I got in the car and waited, shaking, certain that a police car was going to drive up any instant. I wanted to be away from the action so they would know I was not the one who needed to be arrested. Keith came out with a jaunty air, thumping the ground with his cane, and got in the car. He turned to me and said: "I showed him, didn't I?!" And smiled a crooked smile of self-satisfaction, looking like a puppy dog seeking a pat on the head.

I was speechless. He clearly did not feel one bit of remorse, and he obviously thought his behavior was perfectly justified. I realized he simply had no concept of consideration for others. Besides, it was my turn to have a fit.
"I will never, ever, get in this car and go out in public with you again unless you promise, swear on your life, that you will never do such a thing again".

He was astonished. Then abashed. "I promise," he said meekly. And we drove home.

Keith's trips around the world to try new therapies now became a welcome relief. One day, after a week's absence, I went to pick him up at the airport. As I passed a bar in the terminal, I thought to myself: "I need a good stiff drink before Keith gets off the plane!" I literally stopped dead in my tracks right there in the airport and thought: "What are you saying? You need a drink?"

I knew at that moment that I was disintegrating. I had to get away from him. But I couldn't just abandon him. I had to do it in increments. I still cared for his well being and wanted to see if he could be encouraged to do things for himself. ...
Well, anyway, you get the picture.

Just because Jeff Rense loves opera doesn't make him a good guy.
 
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You're right. The police are everywhere, not just the donut shops.

Lisa
 
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Lisa said:
You're right. The police are everywhere, not just the donut shops.
LOL! I guess that one is universal in the U.S. I mean, WHY do cop cars always congregate at Dunkin' Donuts???
 
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They make less of a stain on the uniform than chili cheesdogs?
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It's not just an American thing, after all Rupert Murdoch was Australian (there's one guy who became a citizen with a minimum of fuss!)

I'm aware of the citizenship quagmire involved with becoming a US citizen, Australia has similar roadblocks and an equally aggressive immigration policy under our conservative govt. If I was to live there and you here we'd find the red tape unbearable and yet we live in very similar worlds via this medium with no borders. Personally I find the whole citizen, resident, temporary resident, green card, working visa thing strange. I've never really understood the logic behind it.

My point wasn't so much those moving to the USA, it was the insidious use of the term "illegals" (Henry used it too) that seems to have become more prominent on the web vocabularly of late, much the same as insurgents, unlawful combatants, freedom (although this one has been around for awhile, the Orwellian spin has changed).

Propaganda, all of it, designed to control the minds, emotions and actions of the target population. And by calling these people "illegals" it fits very neatly into the manufactured Straussian good/evil (puritan?) ethos of the current neo-con moralists and their mainly asleep followers. If one begins to analyse and think about such terms.... it's a start.

BTW Your country is not alone in this term....although it's padded out downunder. Australian govt uses the term "illegal immigrants" which has been picked up by the Oz media machine. "Detention Centres" is a another particular Australian one, they're really pretty horrible jails. Australia acts as a social test laboratory in some instances.

I just did a quick check on Usenet year by year and this is the number of times the term "illegals" has surfaced. Usenet is sometimes a useful barometer of time related things.

2006 97,500
2005 50,600
2004 51,700
2003 29,000
2002 19, 00
2001 12,600
2000 16,000
1999 21,100

So it seems the heat has been turned up on this issue (on Usenet at least). Why would that be? What sort of propaganda is this term "illegals" (and surrounding issues) and who is it meant to control? IMHo it is a form of "divisive propaganda".
 
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hehe, you guys are funny.


I want to add a personal story to the problems of immigration. Recently, my mother told me that she may have either lung cancer or thyroid cancer. Not sure yet. She does not have insurance, she does not have children under 18, she cannot get Medicare. She cannot go through other methods of getting help financially due to her possible conditions. She is basically effed.

She is quite angry with the system. She sees many, many people from other countries who come here and are granted full coverage by our national healthcare system. Meanwhile(and these are her words), she is an American who has worked over 30 years in relatively low paying jobs and bringing up three children as a single mom, and our government, instead of providing for its citizens, just hands over thousands of dollars of medicinal care to an immigrant(not illegal) because why? It's arse backwards!

She has voiced these concerns to me, and all I can really say is that her idea of our government caring about us is an illusion. For her, it's a very painful lesson to learn. And it illustrates why there may be a lot of hostility towards immigrants from any country here in the US. I don't want to sound like I'm being unconcerned about my mother having cancer, cuz that is a huge concern. But I think if she spends her time being mad at the "mexicans, hmongs, and arabs", she is just not seeing the bigger picture. Even being mad at the system isn't going to help. It's been that way for many years, only she is getting a rude introduction to it.

Like Lisa mentioned, it all seems designed to create chaos in this country. Personally, I see the "immigration issue" as a distraction for the people. Like so many other things, we are pushed away from the bigger problems into much smaller ones like immigration and gay marriage. They are relevant, but when we have a bunch of lying war criminals in office, it seems petty not to focus on their removal, double quick.
 
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Laura said:
LOL! I guess that one is universal in the U.S. I mean, WHY do cop cars always congregate at Dunkin' Donuts???
They need their coffee and sugar to catch the bad guys. You know, the ones who are trying to sell DVD's on the sidewalk to make a living. That darn criminal element is always in action!
 
Video of Jeff Rense

I heard Hitler was a real Richard Wagner fan..., and I think Hannibal Lector (although a fictional character) was also quite fond of opera, as it seemed to inspire his culinary capacities.

Anyway, so you met the esteemed Keith Laumer. When I was in college many a science fiction fan sung his praises. They considered him a bard of American-style (male) individualism. His most popular hero was probably modelled on himself, since he was an interstellar diplomat. Laumer projected his views of backwater cultures onto the aliens in his stories.

His hero was descended from royalty, a commander at arms type potrayed as a pinnacle of manhood, smoking cigars, punching out anyone in his path, saving the unfortunate single-handedly, and making those "rail" and "emotional" creatures called women swoon at the very sight of him.

Laumer in his stories protrayed any and all problems in the diplomatic organizations of humanity (a projection of the US government) as the result of bungling bureaucracies, while it was always the "foreigner" aliens who had ill intent.

Somehow I don't think he would take kindly to Ponerology, and would probably be the first to laugh at "conspiracy nuts". I found him to have a lot in common with another fantasy writer: Robert E. Howard, the creator of Conan the Barbarian. Howard commited suicide when his mother died.

I was always adverse to reading Laumer until this year in fact, when I found most of his works on what amounts to one of the few sites on the Internet allowing free downloads of works of science fiction and fantasy, where most authors are still alive.

The catch is that most of these works are military science fiction, and all emphasize the fight for survival. The military books, in particular are blatant propaganda, although some are fun to read. Some of the most prolific writers are ex military. Most of these books have a view of history (projected onto the future in the science fiction ones) as a struggle for survival, and anything but constant conflict and warfare is against human nature.

For these authors Laumer is the shining example of the genre, not just because of writing style (which is toted as humourous, although I see it more as sarcastic), but due to his character as a person. I guess before his stroke he was a robust and active man's man with a bit of a sense of superiority. This apparently made him a specimen of all that is good in humanity (where the males are the superior portion, of course, and the females are frail, emotional and mostly unreliable).

Of course, the one female exception in his stories is the hero's sister, which just goes to show superior genetics can even boost the female half of the race.

I can't help but chuckle at the thought of how some of these other writers (to whom Laumer is a sort of hero) might respond to this very human take of their icon.
 
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Wow, amazing responses. Great work everyone while I was sleeping ;). I was planning a long well-thought out (boring, probably?) response, but now so much has been said so well I don't need to.

Sometimes this forum is so good we could just copy and paste the discussions into a book that would be the best thing published on a whole range of subjects.

There's really no solution to the immigration problem, either in Europe or in the United States, when the political and cultural structures are based on the nation-state while the economic structures are globalist. Since we can't at this point go back to when economic structures were based on nations we should change our culture and politics to be global as well.

Using EsoQuest's proposal to actually frame the question properly to get a real solution, I would simply frame it this way: Why do people have to leave the country of their birth in order to make a living? No one (or very few) would really want to do this, all things being equal.

Believe it or not, the U.S. is not so wonderful. In fact, if you look around, it's pretty ugly. We United Statsians tend to judge ourselves by our ideals and judge others by their reality. Most immigrants would return to their countries of origin in a minute if they could live dignified lives there.
 
Video of Jeff Rense

I don't see this video as proof of anything except some guy with strange looking mop-hair likes opera.
When are we going to see a straight-on brightly-lit-in-his-face- close-up-looking-straight-into-his-eyeballs-so-we-can-see-skin-pores-with-other-verifiable-people-present-type footage?
For that matter, what does the also-just-as-mysterious JAMES NEFF look like?

Lisa
 
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Beau said:
She is quite angry with the system. She sees many, many people from other countries who come here and are granted full coverage by our national healthcare system. Meanwhile(and these are her words), she is an American who has worked over 30 years in relatively low paying jobs and bringing up three children as a single mom, and our government, instead of providing for its citizens, just hands over thousands of dollars of medicinal care to an immigrant(not illegal) because why? It's arse backwards!
The question I want to ask is where did she get this idea? What is the evidence that it is true?

Back when I worked for the State of Florida's Health and Rehabilitative Services I encountered a similar phenomenon. When someone would ask me where I worked and I said "welfare offices," they would launch into a whole thing about "welfare fraud" and "welfare queens" and how much the government gave to poor, worthless people, and it was all good "taxpayer's money" and they worked hard all their lives to pay for some good-for-nothing layabout to have babies and drive a cadillac.

Well, guess what? Yes, indeed, there were a couple of highly publicized cases of "welfare queens" - psychopaths that knew how to manipulate the system - but the TRUTH was that the real "welfare fraud" took place from within the system, AT THE TOP.

For example, we were sent memos on quite a number of occasions to be on the alert for counterfeit food stamps. Now, get this: somebody at the top stole the plates and was running off zillions of these things and selling them for 10 cent on the dollar on the street.

As for my clients, well, let me describe one who was like 99 percent of them.

She was a widow in her late 50s, taking care of her three grandchildren. Her daughter had been assaulted by her husband and left brain damaged. This woman had to go to work because she couldn't support these three children on her widow's pension. She was determined not to let them go into foster care. But, since she had lived her entire life as a housewife and had no skills, the only job she could get - and it was a "charity" job - was as a janitor at a catholic school. The money from her job AND her small pension was STILL not enough to make the ends meet...

I could describe hundreds of cases similar to that one, and the ones that made me cry were the elderly who had worked all their lives and never asked for help, but found their social security to be completely inadequate to feed them AND pay for their medicines. The bottom line is that most people in the U.S. who HAVE jobs do not make enough money to eat decently. That's a fact.

What about the so-called "illegals"? Well, hell's bells... the greedy owners of the "corporate farms" would IMPORT them to pick the oranges and tomatoes... make them live in shacks without plumbing, not pay them - only give them scrip that could be used in the "company store" where everything was five times higher than it was in a supermarket.

Well, you get the idea... and that was back in the 80s.

Added: Also I thought about this: government officials, by and large, are the ones that are being supported by the tax payer with their labor, and who take that money and live shamelessly opulent lives... talk about "welfare queens." And speaking of queens, the queen of england has got to be the # 1 "welfare queen" on the planet, her and her brood of layabout do-nothings, living on society like parasites.
 
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