Jeff Rense EXPOSED!!

[Lisa Guliani]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

I think you need to understand that I embrace the original intent of the Minuteman Project but not what it has turned into with this Diener group link.
Also, there is a process to enter the United States in which people follow a procedure and wait in line.
I do not think it is fair or right for people to cut that line and jump ahead of others who are waiting and following the legal process.
This is how I look at it, no matter where the illegals originate from.
It is not a racist point of view.
Please do not twist my words in the previous post I made.
I do not embrace the current state of things in the Minuteman Project.
I am very discouraged by it.
There is a real crisis occurring in the border states and the original idea was a good one, in my view.
Now, it has been signed over to neocons.
As our guest said, it looks like the MMP is dead now.
I really don't know what else to say about this, but I hope I've made myself understood.

Lisa

 

[Bholanath]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

Cool. I am OK with our differing opinions on some things. Everyone has different sensitivities according to their life experience. I'm really not attached to people thinking exactly like I do. And thanks for your responses and all your posts. Its a good thing to move swiftly and one-pointedly to a position of respectful co-existence. Maybe there's hope for us homo-sapien batteries.

 

[Laura]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

I think you need to understand that I embrace the original intent of the Minuteman Project but not what it has turned into with this Diener group link.

This brings up the subject of the "Ponerization Process," or the process by which a group that originally started with decent ideas, goals, intent and gets infiltrated and vectored to become something quite different from what it started out to be. Lobaczewski talks about this at some length and it's worthwhile to read his analysis of how it happens and what signs to look for. The same process is what has taken place in the alternative media though I feel certain that most of the 9/11 "truth" movement was INITIATED by the PTB. After all, we have to remember that this book was suppressed by Zbigniew Brezinzski so how hard would it have been for them to use it as a manual for "counter moves" against potential opposition?

Ponerogenic Associations

We shall give the name "ponerogenic association" to any group of people characterized by ponerogenic processes of above-average social intensity, wherein the carriers of various pathological factors function as inspirers, spellbinders, and leaders, and where a proper pathological social structure generates. Smaller, less permanent associations may be called "groups" or "unions".

Such an association gives birth to evil which hurts other people as well as its own members. We could list various names ascribed to such organizations by linguistic tradition: gangs, criminal mobs, mafias, cliques, and coteries, which cunningly avoid collision with the law while seeking to gain their own advantage. Such unions frequently aspire to political power in order to impose their expedient legislation upon societies in the name of a suitably prepared ideology, deriving advantages in the form of disproportionate prosperity and the satisfaction of their craving for power.

A description and classification of such associations with a view of their numbers, goals, officially promulgated ideologies, and internal organizations would of course be scientifically valuable. Such a description, effected by a perceptive observer, could help a ponerologist determine some of the properties of such unions, which cannot be determined by means of natural conceptual language.

A description of this kind, however, ought not to cloak the more factual phenomena and psychological dependencies operating within these unions. Failure to heed this warning can easily cause such a sociological description to indicate properties which are of secondary importance, or even made "for show" to impress the uninitiated, thereby overshadowing the actual phenomena which decide the quality, role, and fate of the union. Particularly if such a description is colorful literature, it can furnish merely illusory or ersatz knowledge, thus rendering a naturalistic perception and causative comprehension of phenomena more difficult.

One phenomenon all ponerogenic groups and associations have in common is the fact that their members lose (or have already lost) the capacity to perceive pathological individuals as such, interpreting their behavior in a fascinated, heroic, or melodramatic ways. The opinions, ideas, and judgments of people carrying various psychological deficits are endowed with an importance at least equal to that of outstanding individuals among normal people.

The atrophy of natural critical faculties with respect to pathological individuals becomes an opening to their activities, and, at the same time, a criterion for recognizing the association in concern as ponerogenic. Let us call this the first criterion of ponerogenesis.

Another phenomenon all ponerogenic associations have in common is their statistically high concentration of individuals with various psychological anomalies. Their qualitative composition is crucially important in the formation of the entire union's character, activities, development, or extinction.

Groups dominated by various kinds of characteropathic individuals will develop relatively primitive activities, proving rather easy for a society of normal people to break. However, things are quite different when such unions are inspired by psychopathic individuals. Let us adduce the following example illustrating the roles of two different anomalies, selected from among actual events studied by the author.

In felonious youth gangs, a specific role is played by boys (and occasionally girls) that carry a characteristic deficit that is sometimes left behind by an inflammation of the parotid glands (the mumps). This disease entails brain reactions in some cases, leaving behind a discreet but permanent bleaching of feelings and a slight decrease in general mental skills. Similar results are sometimes left behind after diphtheria. As a result, such people easily succumb to the suggestions and manipulations of a more clever individuals.

When drawn into a felonious group, these constitutionally weakened individuals become faint-critical helpers and executors of the leader's intentions, tools in the hands of more treacherous, usually psychopathic, leaders. Once arrested, they submit to their leaders' insinuated explanations that the higher (paramoral) group ideal demands that they become scapegoats, taking the majority of blame upon themselves. In court, the same leaders who initiated the delinquencies mercilessly dump all the blame onto their less crafty colleagues. Sometimes a judge actually accepts the insinuations.

Individuals with the above-mentioned post-mumps and post-diphtheria traits constitute less than 1.0 % of the population as a whole, but their share reaches 1/4 of juvenile delinquent groups. This represents an inspissation of the order of 30-fold, requiring no further methods of statistical analysis. When studying the contents of ponerogenic unions skillfully enough, we often meet with an inspissation of other psychological anomalies which also speak for themselves.

~~~

Two basic types of the above-mentioned unions should be differentiated: Primary ponerogenic and secondary ponerogenic. Let us describe as primarily ponerogenic a union whose abnormal members were active from the very beginning, playing the role of crystallizing catalysts as early as the process of creation of the group occurred.

We shall call secondarily ponerogenic a union which was founded in the name of some idea with an independent social meaning, generally comprehensible within the categories of the natural world view, but which later succumbed to a certain moral degeneration. This in turn opened the door to infection and activation of the pathological factors within, and later to a ponerization of the group as a whole, or often of its fraction.

From the very outset, a primarily ponerogenic union is a foreign body within the organism of society, its character colliding with the moral values held or respected by the majority. The activities of such groups provoke opposition and disgust and are considered immoral; as a rule, therefore, such groups do not spread large, nor do they metastasize into numerous unions; they finally lose their battle with society.

In order to have a chance to develop into a large ponerogenic association, however, it suffices that some human organization, characterized by social or political goals and an ideology with some creative value, be accepted by a larger number of normal people before it succumbs to a process of ponerogenic malignancy. The primary tradition and ideological values of such a society may then, for a long time, protect a union which has succumbed to the ponerization process from the awareness of society, especially its less critical components. When the ponerogenic process touches such a human organization, which originally emerged and acted in the name of political or social goals, and whose causes were conditioned in history and the social situation, the original group's primary values will nourish and protect such a union, in spite of the fact that those primary values succumb to characteristic degeneration, the practical function becoming completely different from the primary one, because the names and symbols are retained. This is where the weaknesses of individual and social "common sense" are revealed.

This is reminiscent of a situation psychopathologists know well: a person who enjoyed trust and respect in their circles starts behaving with preposterous arrogance and hurting others, allegedly in the name of his already known, decent and accepted convictions, which have - in the meantime - deteriorated due to some psychological process rendering them primitive but emotionally dynamic. However, his old acquaintances - having known him for long as the person he was - do not believe the injured parties who complain about his new, or even hidden, behavior, and are prepared to denigrate them and consider them liars. This adds insult to their injury and gives encouragement and license to the individual whose personality is undergoing deterioration, to commit further hurtful acts; as a rule, such a situation lasts until the person's madness becomes obvious.

Ponerogenic unions of the primary variety are mainly of interest to criminology; our main concern will be associations that succumb to a secondary process of poneric malignancy. First, however, let us sketch a few properties of such associations which have already surrendered to this process.

Within each ponerogenic union, a psychological structure is created which can be considered a counterpart or caricature of the normal structure of society or a normal societal organization. In a normal social organization, individuals with various psychological strengths and weaknesses complement each other's talents and characteristics. This structure is subjected to diachronic modification with regard to changes in the character of the association as whole. The same is true of a ponerogenic union. Individuals with various psychological aberrations also complement each other's talents and characteristics.

The earlier phase of a ponerogenic union's activity is usually dominated by characteropathic, particularly paranoid, individuals, who often play an inspirational or spellbinding role in the ponerization process. Recall here the power of the paranoid characteropath lies in the fact that they easily enslave less critical minds, e.g. people with other kinds of psychological deficiencies, or who have been victims of individuals with character disorders, and, in particular, a large segment of young people.

At this point in time, the union still exhibits certain romantic features and is not yet characterized by excessively brutal behavior. Soon, however, the more normal members are pushed into fringe functions and are excluded from organizational secrets; some of them thereupon leave such a union.

Individuals with inherited deviations then progressively take over the inspirational and leadership positions. The role of essential psychopaths gradually grows, although they like to remain ostensibly in the shadows (e.g. directing small groups), setting the pace as an

 

[Laura]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

Another good one is an excerpt from my blog article entitled "How to Spot COINTELPRO Agents"

How To Spot a Spy

One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group that does all the wrong things. Why?

1) The message doesn't get out.

2) A lot of time is wasted

3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged

4) Nothing good is accomplished.

FBI and Police Informers and Infiltrators will infest any group and they have phoney activist organizations established.

Their purpose is to prevent any real movement for justice or eco-peace from developing in this country.

Agents come in small, medium or large. They can be of any ethnic background. They can be male or female.

The actual size of the group or movement being infiltrated is irrelevant. It is the potential the movement has for becoming large which brings on the spies and saboteurs.

This booklet lists tactics agents use to slow things down, foul things up, destroy the movement and keep tabs on activists.

It is the agent's job to keep the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control.

In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:

"You're dividing the movement."

[Here, I have added the psychological reasons as to WHY this maneuver works to control people]


This invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of "dedication to the cause." Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she - being truly dedicated to the movement - becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that "on purpose." It's amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: "they did that unconsciously... they didn't really mean it... I can help them by being forgiving and accepting " and so on and so forth.

The agent will tell the activist:

"You're a leader!"

This is designed to enhance the activist's self-esteem. His or her narcissistic admiration of his/her own activist/altruistic intentions increase as he or she identifies with and consciously admires the altruistic declarations of the agent which are deliberately set up to mirror those of the activist.

This is "malignant pseudoidentification." It is the process by which the agent consciously imitates or simulates a certain behavior to foster the activist's identification with him/her, thus increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation. The agent will simulate the more subtle self-concepts of the activist.

Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are most vulnerable to malignant pseudoidentification especially during work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to their competency, autonomy, or knowledge.

The goal of the agent is to increase the activist's general empathy for the agent through pseudo-identification with the activist's self-concepts.

The most common example of this is the agent who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or value to the movement. On a more subtle level, the agent will simulate affects and mannerisms of the activist which promotes identification via mirroring and feelings of "twinship". It is not unheard of for activists, enamored by the perceived helpfulness and competence of a good agent, to find themselves considering ethical violations and perhaps, even illegal behavior, in the service of their agent/handler.

The activist's "felt quality of perfection" [self-concept] is enhanced, and a strong empathic bond is developed with the agent through his/her imitation and simulation of the victim's own narcissistic investments. [self-concepts] That is, if the activist knows, deep inside, their own dedication to the cause, they will project that onto the agent who is "mirroring" them.

The activist will be deluded into thinking that the agent shares this feeling of identification and bonding. In an activist/social movement setting, the adversarial roles that activists naturally play vis a vis the establishment/government, fosters ongoing processes of intrapsychic splitting so that "twinship alliances" between activist and agent may render whole sectors or reality testing unavailable to the activist. They literally "lose touch with reality."

Activists who deny their own narcissistic investments [do not have a good idea of their own self-concepts and that they ARE concepts] and consciously perceive themselves (accurately, as it were) to be "helpers" endowed with a special amount of altruism are exceedingly vulnerable to the affective (emotional) simulation of the accomplished agent.

Empathy is fostered in the activist through the expression of quite visible affects. The presentation of tearfulness, sadness, longing, fear, remorse, and guilt, may induce in the helper-oriented activist a strong sense of compassion, while unconsciously enhancing the activist's narcissistic investment in self as the embodiment of goodness.

The agent's expresssion of such simulated affects may be quite compelling to the observer and difficult to distinguish from deep emotion.

It can usually be identified by two events, however:

First, the activist who has analyzed his/her own narcissistic roots and is aware of his/her own potential for being "emotionally hooked," will be able to remain cool and unaffected by such emotional outpourings by the agent.

As a result of this unaffected, cool, attitude, the Second event will occur: The agent will recompensate much too quickly following such an affective expression leaving the activist with the impression that "the play has ended, the curtain has fallen," and the imposture, for the moment, has finished. The agent will then move quickly to another activist/victim.

The fact is, the movement doesn't need leaders, it needs MOVERS. "Follow the leader" is a waste of time.

A good agent will want to meet as often as possible. He or she will talk a lot and say little. One can expect an onslaught of long, unresolved discussions.

Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:

1) To disrupt the agenda 2) To side-track the discussion 3) To interrupt repeatedly 4) To feign ignorance 5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.

Calling someone a racist, for example. This tactic is used to discredit a person in the eyes of all other group members.

Saboteurs

Some saboteurs pretend to be activists. She or he will ....

1) Write encyclopedic flyers (in the present day, websites)

2) Print flyers in English only.

3) Have demonstrations in places where no one cares.

4) Solicit funding from rich people instead of grass roots support

5) Display banners with too many words that are confusing.

6) Confuse issues.

7) Make the wrong demands.

8) Compromise the goal.

9) Have endless discussions that waste everyone's time. The agent may accompany the endless discussions with drinking, pot smoking or other amusement to slow down the activist's work.

Provocateurs

1) Want to establish "leaders" to set them up for a fall in order to stop the movement.

2) Suggest doing foolish, illegal things to get the activists in trouble.

3) Encourage militancy.

4) Want to taunt the authorities.

5) Attempt to make the activist compromise their values.

6) Attempt to instigate violence. Activisim ought to always be non-violent.

7) Attempt to provoke revolt among people who are ill-prepared to deal with the reaction of the authorities to such violence.

Informants

1) Want everyone to sign up and sing in and sign everything.

2) Ask a lot of questions (gathering data).

3) Want to know what events the activist is planning to attend.

4) Attempt to make the activist defend him or herself to identify his or her beliefs, goals, and level of committment.

Recruiting

Legitimate activists do not subject people to hours of persuasive dialog. Their actions, beliefs, and goals speak for themselves.

Groups that DO recruit are missionaries, military, and fake political parties or movements set up by agents.

Surveillance

ALWAYS assume that you are under surveillance.

At this point, if you are NOT under surveillance, you are not a very good activist!

Scare Tactics

They use them.

Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots. They will plant illegal substances on the activist and set up an arrest; they will plant false information and set up "exposure," they will send incriminating letters [emails] in the name of the activist; and more; they will do whatever society will allow.

This booklet in no way covers all the ways agents use to sabotage the lives of sincere an dedicated activists.

If an agent is "exposed," he or she will be transferred or replaced.

COINTELPRO is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act.

The FBI counterintelligence program's stated purpose: To expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize individuals who the FBI categorize as opposed to the National Interests. "National Security" means the FBI's security from the people ever finding out the vicious things it does in violation of people's civil liberties.

A slight breach in orthodoxy is sufficient to terrify authoritarian ideologues who see in it the collapse of the system of thought control that has been so effctive in depoliticizing American Society. Noam Chomsky.
And that's about it for the booklet: How To Spot a Spy!

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

We received this yesterday in response to our weekly poll question.

I'm posting it here because it mentions the SOTT group.

The creepos really have a problem with any discussion going on between SOTT and WING TV.
Gee, I wonder why that is....

Laura tells me this email is from the same creepo who emailed her earlier, which she posted, I believe.
Notice (among other things) how we're being challenged to read this email on our show and if we don't, then that must be because we don't "have the balls" - yet this worm doesn't even have the cajones to sign his name to the email.

Yeah, ok, whatever.

Lisa
_______________________________________________________________________________________

From: "Bruce W" <allthatspam@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: What is the biggest single issue facing the patriot movement today?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:27:04 +0000

We bet you do not have the balls to read this email on air.

What is the biggest single issue facing the patriot movement today?

That would be IN FIGHTING.

In fighting is merely a distraction and aims to confuse new comers. It
is to create a climate of fear and distrust. At the moment we can see sites
like SOTT carring out standard COINTELPRO ops, as fairly new comers to this
movement, WING TV should not be duped by these agents.

Just because they claim to agree with you, to increase traffic and
sales, does not mean they are what they claim to be. You know this is true,
even if you fail to admit it.

Divide and destroy - remember that. You're empowering the NWO agenda.

You claim you're fighting the NWO by attacking those who are actually
DOING things, but there is a bigger picture.. it's not about who leads us or
who agrees with who, who supports who.

What happens when Jones, Rense, Icke, Rinf, Ruppert, ATS and anyone
else you 'expose' close their doors? What will WING TV do next?

At the moment you're like a kind of twisted cheerleader for these
people and you're giving them notoriety.

So yes, once WING TV has removed these evil doers, what next? Where
will you go and what will you do? And why aren't you doing it already? Do you
have a clear long term plan of action or is it to simply mock anyone who
refuses to come on your show?

I bet you do not have the balls to read this email on air, and I bet
you cannot respond in a mature and adult manner, without throwing insults
in place of facts.

If you are what you claim you are, you will address these points and
give a decent explanation to me and the many many people who have read and
contributed to this email.

Regards,

 

[henry]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

I think the common denominator we are looking for is sincerity and a commitment to truth. We don't have to agree about everything to find common causes where we can work together. In our podcast with Lisa, she talked about the WING-TV proposal where people would work together while retaining their autonomy. I like to think of it as "coordinated autonomy". We are willing to work with others based on this idea.

I have reservations that are probably shared by many on this forum about the Patriot movement and the Minutemen. However, I think there are many sincere people there who need to hear the truth about the leaders of those movements. WING TV is providing that.

Guns and spotting people on the border aren't my cup of tea. Why not allow the free circulation of the world's people's? But a distinction must be made, as I said, between the sold-out leaders and those who are sincere and who are looking for answers.

We have a number of working hypotheses that, as far as I know, go into areas that WING-TV does not: cyclic catastrophes and hyperdimensional realities and inteference, for example. But these are just that: working hypotheses. Time and more research will give us more data that will either increase or diminish the probability of them or work to change them in some way to better fit the facts. I have no idea what Lisa or Victor think about these issues, but it doesn't matter when it comes to the good work they they are doing.

If we, or WING TV, or anyone else for that matter only were willing to work with people who agreed with them 100%, there wouldn't be any possibility of working with anyone. The question is do people's actions match their words? Are they ethical in dealing with others? Do they deal with facts or do they descend into name calling? When confronted with data conflicting with their view, are they willing to change their view to fit the data? When someone gets scratched, do they maintain their civility or do they get nasty?

Lisa is good enough to come to our forum and respond to questions and put up with a certain hostility -- thankfully not from the "old-timers" here -- and share with us the data that she is digging up on the scoundrels masquerading as Patriots.

She is proving that there is a least one person in the Patriot movement that is open and putting herself on the line for what she believes and fighting for something better -- without guns and without violence. It is a war of information. If she says that there are others coming to WING TV who are colinear with their positions, people who are angry at what is happening in the US, people who want to see the criminals in office put on trial for their crimes, I am willing to go along with it as another working hypothesis.

If and when the meteors start falling and creating havoc, there'll be time enough to see about the other issues. ;)

 

[Laura]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

Speaking of emails...

I received an email today also. Am reproducing it below as well as my response and her response to my response, and Ark's response to her... well, you get the idea.

Anyway, I have this very strong intuition that this is all connected to the Rense, Bridges, Weidner gang as is the letter received by Lisa. They are really putting on the pressure, aren't they?

So, my guess is that this woman's "other ways" of dealing with me (as she hints in her reply to my reply) have something to do with Vinnie and the Rense gang.

From: Martha Neyman
Date sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:49:11 +0200

Dearest Laura,

This is Martha...

I am sure we can solve the following problem in a friendly way. You are a very wise woman and only needs half a word to understand !

Reading all "your" information, I saw to my surprise, that you use "MY FIND" of the hidden (jumping Horse) Horse on your home-page! The hidden Horse in the shadow, being the Knight in chess, is MY EXCLUSIVE Find and you only found it by reading MY BOOK: "The Horse of God"!!!

NO other author or writer described this Horse (without my permission) I was and am the only one and first who found it. I cannot remember I gave you permission to USE THIS EXCLUSIVE. I repeat, without my permission. Oh yes, I describes it in my book "The Horse of God", this however does NOT mean YOU may use and without mentioning my name..!

For using MY find, I demand US $ 10.000, - a year, starting from the time you used it and put it on YOUR home page without MY permission. Thus, let us start with 1998..! This means 8 years... This is a very friendly price for plagiarism..! And that is what it is.

But let us settle things in a friendly way... I am a very friendly person, but do not like to be "stalked" with unkindness and mentioning my name without permission. As I wrote you yesterday and repeating your own words, YOU LEARNED by the small mistakes by others..! All these writers were at the base of "YOUR KNOWLEDGE"... And I am glad and feel proud that I was one of these and of any help for you, otherwise you never could have written YOUR book and That would have been a real pity..!!!

My very reasonable proposal is:

1) You change the "sound" of the text on your home-page immediately..! 2) If you do not like to do this, you remove the text completely + the find of MY JUMPING HORSE..! 3) If you like to use MY JUMPING HORSE, you ask permission AND you mention MY NAME under this image, as a "found made by Martha Neyman" + my e-mail address AND Home Page.

4) You no longer can say on your home-page, that I was one of those who were mislead and trapped or used by others, as I wrote two other books... YOU never read, so at this very moment you speak "WITHOUT KNOWING" and that is what for I highly blame you...

I demand a reply to my questions and very serious and "kind" proposal, if not I am afraid I have to charge you for disgrace my good name and using MY FIND, the Jumping Horse, without permission..! I do not like to mention in this stage, I contact my lawyer, as I am sure we can settle this in a friendly way..!

Besides: Consider, that I am in my right and that my first book: The Horse of God" officially is published in Germany. My finds (a/o this the "Jumping Horse") are protected by IBSN and it is forbidden to use them without permission.!!!

If you do NOT react to this letter, I ask my Publisher to undertake further action..! As well as my lawyer..! I would feel very sorry to put it in this way as I have nothing against you.


Kind regards, Martha.

Name: Martha Neyman

***********************

My response:

Dearest Martha,

Aside from the absolute absurdity of thinking that you can "own" an image or anything that can be discerned in said image by the human mind, let me make several points:

First point: the jumping horse was "discovered," (i.e. noticed and discussed) by our QFG research group when it was still Perseus Foundation.

Allow me to remind you of an email I wrote to you on Sun, 18 Oct 1998 on that subject which specifically mentioned this fact.

In short, the absurdity of your theories in your books is only exceeded by the absurdity of your ridiculous demands.

So, get your lawyer, pay his fee, and go for it.

Laura

Martha's response to my response (with a little text enhancement by me)

From: "Martha Neyman"
To: "Laura Knight-Jadczyk"
Subject: Re: The Horse
Date sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:46:43 +0200

O yes dear Laura, I will...

I understand you do not like to settle this small problem on a friendly
way...

At the contrary of me, you act very bitchily, sorry this is not MAY way of
reacting...

I once again ask you to remove this picture...
And to change the "tune"... That is all!

You know as well as I do, it was "my find" and not by some unknown
organisation...

If you never had read my book "The Horse" you could make a point here, but
you did AND you used My "find" without asking me, that is all...

If you like to play it the hard way, I surely will accept the challenge...
Besides,of my rights recorded by my publisher, there are so much other
ways...

Maybe you feel angry for one moment, I understand, but think it over, do not scold, this certainly is beneath your dignity.

I have respect for YOUR work, so respect mine dear..!
Whatever ideas we have about ones work, do not scold or put the other down,
this is NOT done..!

So, for a second time I repeat my questions to you...
Let us settle things in a friendly way...

Scolding is a sign of inability, I do not have to tell you...

I never said "I owened an Image", that of course is nonsence I only
said, the jumping Horse, hidden in the schadow of the "kneeling Shepherd" as
YOU show it on your home-page is MY find.

Kind regards, Martha

Succes with your research and bookselling

Think it over Laura and settle the dispute in a friendly way.

And finally, Ark's response to Martha's threats:

From: "Arkadiusz Jadczyk"
To: "Martha Neyman"
Date sent: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:30:35 +0200
Subject: Re: The Horse


> I once again ask you to remove this picture...
> And to change the "tune"... That is all!
>
> You know as well as I do, it was "my find" and not by some unknown
> organisation...

Hi,

You are making an error here. The fact that some organization was unknown to you does not imply that it was unknown to other people.

You are making a similar error when you say: "it was my find". It may have been your find in your mind. But it could have been "their" find for other people. When certain things are more or less evident, then many people see and discuss, these things. For instance many people can see Virgin Mary in a cloud.

I am attaching a statement (designed for a court) signed by two members of the French Academy of sciences, a statement dealing with a similar case within science. The horse is not really scientific, but the same logic applies.

I hope it helps.

Regards,

Arkadiusz Jadczyk

Coincidence that such emails arrive on the same day to me and to Lisa?

We think not!

Geez, they are REALLY cranking out there aren't they? Do we scare them THAT much?

How much you want to bet that if I don't bow down to Martha Neyman's ridiculous extortion demands that she'll be the next guest on Jeff Rense?

Added later: I have continued this series of emails on another thread so as not to distract from this one.

 

[Bholanath]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

awesome

Perhaps even some of the readers of this book will resent the author's stripping evil so unceremoniously of all its literary motifs. The job of effecting such a "strip-tease" may thus turn out to be much more difficult and dangerous than expected.

lol. reeeally resent strip-teases in general

 

[Lisa Guliani]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

Hahahahaha, this is something else...Her "find".
I "find" images all the time in the public domain, but that doesn't give me copyright on them or ownership of them or control over their usage.
Very funny stuff !!!

So now we wait until tomorrow, when the Revere perverts do their latest broadcast on MOI, telling the world all about their "proof" that I was a "street whore". I love the fact that we did this podcast about Revere et al.
Now, the world can see a primo example of what I was saying during that conversation.
A perfect example of Cointelpro in play.
Watch as the rope tightens around their necks and they ultimately hang themselves.
They seem to be getting more lame (not to mention OBVIOUS) in their tactics as time goes by (the "Martha" maneuver, for example).
Are these summer school ops?

Lisa

 

[Laura]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

We received this yesterday in response to our weekly poll question.

I'm posting it here because it mentions the SOTT group.

The creepos really have a problem with any discussion going on between SOTT and WING TV.
Gee, I wonder why that is....

Two sites that actually are sincere and try to get to the truth of things and can't be bought actually trying to work together to expose the slime must scare them to death!

Laura tells me this email is from the same creepo who emailed her earlier, which she posted, I believe.

Indeed, here it is from this thread:

We received the following email today:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Welcome to Signs of the Times Forum!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:39:20 +0000
From: Bruce W <allthatspam@hotmail.co.uk>
To: sott forum



I've uncovered some disturbing facts about you guys.

Giving you a heads up, your members are being informed.

_________________________________________________________________
The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search!
http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview

Not a surprise since we have been going after the disinfo people in our articles and podcasts lately. It will be interesting to see what kind of crap they come up with now.

Added: seems that the sender is associated with this website: http:(2 slash)www(dot)exoticsmoker(dot)com

Notice that Larvaebuggy then immediately jumped in with his distractions...

Notice (among other things) how we're being challenged to read this email on our show and if we don't, then that must be because we don't "have the balls" - yet this worm doesn't even have the cajones to sign his name to the email.

Yeah, ok, whatever.

Lisa

Yeah, that's the old "You're dividing the movement" trick cited above in the "how to spot a spy" book.

From: "Bruce W" <allthatspam@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: What is the biggest single issue facing the patriot movement today?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:27:04 +0000

We bet you do not have the balls to read this email on air.

What is the biggest single issue facing the patriot movement today?

That would be IN FIGHTING.

The dreaded accusation: "You're dividing the movement!"

In fighting is merely a distraction and aims to confuse new comers. It
is to create a climate of fear and distrust. At the moment we can see sites
like SOTT carring out standard COINTELPRO ops, as fairly new comers to this
movement, WING TV should not be duped by these agents.

As I wrote in my blog article "How to Spot Cointelpro Agents"

The subject of COINTELPRO comes up quite a bit on our websites and has done so since we became fully aware of its activity in the various "alternative news/views" movements back in late 2001. Up to that point in time, we were thinking that it was probably likely that, now and again, a group might be infiltrated by an agent for a specific purpose. What we were NOT aware of was the vast, overarching program that seems to be in place for the primary purpose of controlling absolutely everything via the control of the minds of the masses!

Yeah, that's a pretty unbelievable project to contemplate, but for groups with unlimited resources and the agenda to stay on the top of the heap, it's really not so hard. And never has this activity been more evident than in the 9/11 Truth Movement which I want to discuss here.

Usually, when we think of COINTELPRO, we think of the most well known and typical activities which include sending anonymous or fictitious letters designed to start rumors, among other things, publishing false defamatory or threatening information, forging signatures on fake documents, introducing disruptive and subversive members into organizations to destroy them from within, blackmailing insiders in any group to force them to spread false rumors, or to foment factionalism, and so on.

What a lot of people don't keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations.

These bogus groups could serve many functions which might include attacking and/or disrupting bona fide groups, or even just simply creating a diversion with clever propaganda in order to attract members away so as to involve them with time-wasting activity designed to prevent them from doing anything useful. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties so that it looked like just a "disagreement" between two individuals or groups, a "food fight" or something, and there was no way to connect it to any government operation.
...
The COINTELPRO files show the U.S. Government targeted a very broad range of religious, labor and community groups opposed to any of its agendas... when the sincere researcher ... enters this field, he or she discovers only lies, lies, and more lies; confusion and disinformation. That is most definitely the signature of COINTELPRO.

Considering all of this, would anybody care to suggest that it did not also occur to the Powers that Be that the chief means of diverting attention and covering up the truth would be to literally fund and create the "9/11 Truth movement" so that it would follow their agenda of keeping secrets?

In other words, it is extremely likely that the most successful and popular of alternative news sources and 9/11 researchers are COINTELPRO agents - either conscious or dupes of those who are. The objective seems to be to attack and "neutralize" those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.

What all of this seems to suggest is that the Powers That Be (PTB) have developed COINTELPRO to an all new level of Social Shaping, Cultural Brainwashing, and the main targets of this activity would include virtually anyone who is seeking the truth about the shifting realities of our world. The cases of COINTELPRO activities against political groups must be no more than the tip of the iceberg, given that the great bulk of COINTELPRO-type operations remain secret until long after their damage has been done. By all indications, domestic covert operations have become a permanent feature of U.S. politics and Social Programming, and it is hardly likely, considering the evidence, that the alternative news and 9/11 research fields are exempt.

The implications of this are truly alarming. Those who manage to get close to the truth of these matters, despite the many obstacles in their path, face National covert campaigns to discredit and disrupt their research and reputations. Clearly, COINTELPRO and similar operations under other names also work to distort academic and popular perceptions of the problems facing our world. They have done enormous damage to the search for the Truth.

"Terrorism is changing. New adversaries, new motivations and new rationales have surfaced in recent years to challenge much of the conventional wisdom..." wrote Dr. Bruce Hoffman, Director of RAND. And he was right. The only problem is, the reader is largely unaware of the definition of "new adversaries" that might be implied in his remarks.

I'll never forget reading John Kaminski's article "Agents Provocateur?" where he describes where he was and what he was doing at that fateful moment on September 11, 2001:

I remember that day all too well. I was standing in front of my TV. I had just awakened and flipped it on, intending to zap the clicker to ESPN to catch the latest sports news, a typical daily habit that occurs just before I stumble into the kitchen to make my coffee. By chance, the tube was set to NBC, where the plastic Today show commentators were talking about a plane that had crashed into the World Trade Center. So I never changed the channel. I just stood there, eyelids glued apart, and watched as plane number two glided into the south tower, and into history.

I just stood there, I don't know for how long. Eventually I turned around, made the coffee, and listened to the aghast commentary of the NBC crew. I don't remember now what it was triggered my next verbal outburst, whether it was Katie Couric reporting the government saying it was Osama bin Laden who was behind the attacks, or some vaguer speculation about Arab terrorists.

I only know I turned around, stalked into the living room, and then with the most certain self-assured vehemence I have ever shown in my life, started bellowing: "No way! No freaking way!"

I knew then, right then and there, that 9/11 was an inside job. ... Nothing I have seen, heard, or read since has caused me to feel even the merest shadow of a doubt about what I felt at that moment.

There are millions of people who had the same reaction, but very few of them in a position, or with the talents, to say or do anything about it. And most of them are not into "metaphysics, religion, or researching strange phenomena." [as we here at SOTT are] That's too bad. There's a lot about COINTELPRO that we all could learn together.

Now, one of the interesting things we have observed about COINTELPRO is the way it shifts and warps in response to possible exposure. I believe that I was the first to realize the extent and nature of the operation, and I began publishing my speculations about it in the Adventures With Cassiopaea series back in early 2002. Not too long after that, individuals that I KNEW to be "agents" of COINTELPRO began to start ranting about COINTELPRO and pointing the finger this way and that way. Up to this point in time, the lid had pretty much remained shut on the subject - I guess they were hoping that people would forget about it, or think that it was over and done with back in the 70s, nothing to worry about now!

But nope, I saw it and wrote about it and they just had to do something. So, in typical COINTELPRO fashion, they started producing endless noise to obscure the signal. Particular attention was paid to me; I guess I had to be punished for daring to call a spade a spade. I was accused of being COINTELPRO myself, of being funded by George Soros, my husband was accused of being an "ex cold war nuke scientist," and the previous attacks that had alerted me to the COINTELPRO problem to begin with - vile and vicious defamation, character assassination, and so on - ramped up to an unbelieveable level.

As usual, I learned a lot by observing and doing research to find out who was connected to whom.

Of course, once I began publishing such exposes, the program shifted again. The internet was already being scrubbed of articles and stories that did not support the government 9/11 claims that had been published in the early days after 9/11. Seems like some additional scrubbing took place in removing material that might link various agents together. Additionally, such resources as the "whois" services became useless with the use of "proxy registration" of websites. Many things that had been on the web before 9/11 suddenly disappeared. Many things also disappeared from the usually reliable webarchive as well. In some instances, we had the foresight to archive pages, but not always. I even have some pages archived and certified in my files. They may come in handy someday.

With over 100 researchers in our Quantum Future Group, scattered around the globe, we have even resorted to sending a member out to do hand searches in various places. In one case, the member was shortly afterward visited by some "Israeli Art Students." How's that for "personal attention?"

Not long after I published research findings on the people behind GodlikeProductions Forum, we received an email warning, and two "personal contacts" of a threatening nature. Let us just say that when you begin to find connections between such popular websites and drug and pedophile rings, you are cruising into dangerous international trafficking waters and discretion may very well be the better part of valor. I removed the article from our website, though I do still send it to researchers who ask for it privately. I should note, while on the subject, that this is not uncommon: to find such connections; after all, that's one of the ways that secret agencies make their money - drugs and human trafficking, including children - and have the means to control government officials: blackmail. It's a pretty handy set-up: provide the drugs and the sex, get photos and movies or recordings, and voila! Instant control of just about anybody!

So, while I can't take the risk of telling exactly who is who here, just let me give a general warning: drugs and pedophilia - and even arms trafficking - are connected to a lot of people who you would never, ever suspect! Imagine! A popular New Age teacher giving seminars on such things as how to create your higher astral body and meet your angel guides (for example) who also runs a cover operation for shipping arms to CIA sponsored guerilla groups and ALSO has programs for "special children"? Can we say "Star kids" and "Indigo?"

Getting back to 9/11 and COINTELPRO in that venue: if you don't already know that probably 80 to 90 percent of what is out there is noise, then you might want to get up to speed pretty fast.

Now, back to the email Lisa received:

Just because they claim to agree with you, to increase traffic and
sales, does not mean they are what they claim to be. You know this is true,
even if you fail to admit it.

Well gee! You mean that they are admitting that all their efforts to destroy us, to destroy our work, haven't been successful? Are they just jealous that the Pentagon Flash was such a hit because it struck a chord of truth in over half a billion people's hearts? Are they gnashing their teeth in rage that people actually come to our site and SENSE the difference? Is that why, in all the "debunking" of 9/11 research and "conspiracy theories" they NEVER, EVER give a link to SOTT? Because they KNOW that people can tell the difference??? And that is why the State Department DOES give links to Jeff Rense and Alex Jones, the approved conspiracy theorists???

Divide and destroy - remember that. You're empowering the NWO agenda.

Geeze, they say that the biggest problem is "in fighting." And that this creates an atmosphere of distrust and confusion.

Well, hell's bells! No shock Sherlock! And that is just what it is intended to do and that's why they have agents all through the whole thing. That way, no matter what you do, THEY win. If you don't fight the agents, they win. If you DO fight the agents, they win.

But let's face it, if we do NOT identify and eliminate the deviants from the society of 9/11 research, they win in a more horrible way. It's that simple.

Also, they all like to go after the UN as though it is the boogeyman - the dreaded NWO! Nobody ever stops to notice that this is another "straw man" created to distract attention away from the fact that the neocons already ARE the NWO!!!

What is SOOO bizarre about this is that all the Christian fundies used to go on and on and on about the NWO and the "mark of the beast" and implanted micro-chips, and just basically ALL the stuff that Bush and gang are DOING
right NOW!

And NOW that it is happening, all those crypto christians are PART of it! What's more, they continue to project it into the future as though it is something "out there," that is "going to happen" if we don't do something... JeezusHChrist! It's HERE! It's NOW! And they are part of what's keeping it in place with all their BS messing around while the lunatics have taken over the asylum!

Damndest thing I've ever seen!

You claim you're fighting the NWO by attacking those who are actually
DOING things, but there is a bigger picture.. it's not about who leads us or
who agrees with who, who supports who.

More of the "you're dividing the movement crap" designed to manipulate people into keeping deviants in their midst.

What happens when Jones, Rense, Icke, Rinf, Ruppert, ATS and anyone
else you 'expose' close their doors? What will WING TV do next?

How about have a bigger audience, an audience that is better served with TRUTH???

Geeze, what a concept.

At the moment you're like a kind of twisted cheerleader for these
people and you're giving them notoriety.

Obviously a dig at SOTT.

I reckon we are scaring them to death.

So yes, once WING TV has removed these evil doers, what next? Where
will you go and what will you do? And why aren't you doing it already? Do you
have a clear long term plan of action or is it to simply mock anyone who
refuses to come on your show?

What a crock of horse hockey! Like I said, once the evildoers are gone (notice they tacitly admit that Jones, Rense, Icke, Rinf, Ruppert, ATS are evildoers) then the TRUTH won't be so buried under so many lies, maniplations, and BS.

I bet you do not have the balls to read this email on air, and I bet
you cannot respond in a mature and adult manner, without throwing insults
in place of facts.

If you are what you claim you are, you will address these points and
give a decent explanation to me and the many many people who have read and
contributed to this email.

Regards,

As Lisa said: talk about no cojones... he couldn't even sign his name. I bet he's also known as Larvaebuggy!

 

[Laura]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

For those who wonder what Martha Neyman is all bent about, it's about the Wave series, in particular, the chapter that begins HERE.

On that page, I present an image of the painting "The Shepherds of Arcadia" that I scanned from an old book I have.

... and several blow-ups of that image including this one:

Now, the fact is, Martha thinks she OWNS the fact that looking at this image upside down reveals a "shadow image" of a horse.

As I wrote to her back in 1998, I had noticed this a LOOOONG time ago.

What is more, what I say about that shadow, what I THINK about it, is so completely different from what Neyman thinks about it that it's like night and day.

Under the image I wrote:

Look very carefully at the shapes of the man's limbs and then compare them to the shadow on the tomb - noting particularly that the shadow of the elbow is just above the crack we have already looked at. Now, does that shadow look like it matches? Well, there's just no accounting for shadows sometimes, but this one looks compellingly like a rearing horse.

So, we have horses, knees and elbows and crossed shins and cracks/windows. Meanwhile we have three guys and one gal, and some dead person in a tomb. All three of our guys have staffs, two of them are in a position that was suggested to me to represent "symbolic beheading." The other has his staff more on his shoulder, which is imagery related to the constellation, Cepheus, the consort of Cassiopeia, interestingly.

I am not even going to pretend to have the answer to this puzzle of the Poussin painting. But, I will mention that I had a dream about it one night, that it was a map that needed to be laid over Europe. And, sure enough, when I matched the bent knee of the kneeling guy to the Rhine river, all kinds of interesting associations popped up!

I should also mention that certain hand gestures indicate letters of the alphabet and numbers, and would have been understood at the time Poussin painted them. In this case, we have, from left to right, T/19, V/20, C/3, I/9. Does it mean anything? I don't know.

So, Martha believes that because she wrote about this shadow in her book that she "owns" the idea that you can see a shadow of a horse if you turn the painting upside down.

Yup, that's it.

Pretty mind-boggling, eh? And look how much money she wants! Can we say "extortion"?

 

[anart]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

I noticed that she kept telling you that she is friendly - over and over again - 'friendly manner' 'friendly price' 'friendly way' 'I am a very friendly person' !!! If she says it enough, perhaps we'll all believe it, contrary to all available evidence. Or, as Inigo said to Vizzini in 'The Princess Bride', "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Sheesh - truly ridiculous.

 

[The Gardener]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

So, Martha believes that because she wrote about this shadow in her book that she "owns" the idea that you can see a shadow of a horse if you turn the painting upside down.

This woman is so full with poison on her every sentence. Even on her smiles icons one can see the venom pouring down her fangs.
"I was not bitchy" is clearly either an halucination on her part, or her chip buzzing in some corner on her head, and she gags on it.
I bet her parents had some deformity on their frontal lobe.
She is a pro, no doubth.
I wonder who told her to find that horse: Psycopaths cannot "find" this details.
I had never heard more squizoidal claims she OWNS it! gee...
Trully ridiculous indeed.

 

[Bholanath]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

I am not even going to pretend to have the answer to this puzzle of the Poussin painting. But, I will mention that I had a dream about it one night, that it was a map that needed to be laid over Europe. And, sure enough, when I matched the bent knee of the kneeling guy to the Rhine river, all kinds of interesting associations popped up!

I assume from your Holy Grail research you've seen David Wood's GENISIS. Have you ever critiqued it/ commented?

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Superman Returns: WING TV repels Pathological Pirates AKA Rense & Co

Anyway, I have this very strong intuition that this is all connected to the Rense, Bridges, Weidner gang as is the letter received by Lisa. They are really putting on the pressure, aren't they?

Joe Quinn wrote the article "Lies, Damn Lies, and Spades" and either he or someone else has posted it on a very popular file-sharing torrent website, torrentspy.com. Torrentspy and Shoutwire are like "sister sites" where shoutwire is literally part of the torrentspy website as well.

Anyway, here's the link to Joe's article as posted on torrentspy/shoutwire:
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/15965/Lies_Damn_Lies_and_Spades

Whatever you guys may think about sharing of files over the internet (legally or not), this website doubles up as a sort of conspiracy forum as well because most articles posted there are political and conspiratory in nature, etc. So I think whoever came up with the idea of posting Joe's article on the website, it was a great idea as it exposes people to it, despite the attacks on it that resulted as well.

Anyway, today, coincidentally or not, which is only a few days after Joe's article, someone posted this:

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/17393/Terrorstorm_By_Alex_Jones

I get that "intuition" about this being also related to what you just felt as well - it's probably the same group doing "damage control" on that website, and sort of being involved here on the forum and sending out anonymous emails. Maybe not "the same group" but it all seems related, and I just thought you might be interested in this tidbit of info as well.

A disclaimer: Neither I nor the owners/administrators of this forum promote any illegal activities or sharing of any files that are illegal to share. The only reason I bring up that website is to point out the articles - I do not support nor care about any other part of that website, and this mention of it is only designed to bring attention to the articles, nothing else.