JEFF Rense: Ok, and we're back. Now. We gotta do something that we don't do very often. Let's kinda get serious for a couple of minutes here, not terribly serious but serious enough and this is not a joke. There used to be a lot of games... I'm using games in the uh... well I'm being (don't recognize this word). There were a lot of sets of Ouija boards sold in this country. So when didit start Brad, twenties, thirties?
Brad Steiger: Hmm, Hmm.
JEFF::: Been around for a long time
BRAD: Long time but that's when it became the firste cycle of the (fad?)
JEFF::: Right. And then what happened? It kinda faded out, came back in the fifties and sixties didn't it?
BRAD: Came back in world war II, came back in world war II.
JEFF::: Because of so many people dying and... find a contact, with loved ones and so forth...
BRAD: Hmm.. that's right.
JEFF::: Yeah... makes sense. And then it came back... about eh... well what was... Hale Bopp, around the time that Hale Bopp i know there was some minor resurgence then and...
BRAD: Yeah, right, I mean it just kind of faded for a time... and then probably just within the last fifteen years or so....
JEFF:: Right.] that people have begun playing with the Ouija board and we've, for twelve years now on this program, we have cautioned against the dark side of the paranormal. We've admitted... and we talk about UFO's, we talk about ghosts, we talk about spirit contact, but we never fail to caution about the dark side of the paranormal and if the program is nearly over and we haven't...
Sarah usually comes in and waves and says "don't forget, you know to have the caution, because this is very serious and I've received a number of critical e-mails from time to time that say... your too - I mean it's... the board it's nothing, it's just letters and so forth. Well, ah.... that's just simplistic you know that so I'll return it with another simplistic thing: guns don't kill people, people do. Well the Ouija board is an instrument that has the potential, not of itself, we've never believed there are demons and evil spirits in the board... but it's the vulnerable, the gullible, the spiritually weak. And here's another thing: the more you think you're invulnerable the more vulnerable you probably are!
JEFF::: Yeah, true.
BRAD: The stronger.. this is not... we've gone over this again and again. This is not a game. This is something serious.
JEFF::: And the word play shouldn't be used either. "We'll play with the Ouija board"
BRAD: Never, never, never.
JEFF::: When you mess around, trying to mind meld with the other side or connect with the other side, and this goes for people who think they’re channels as well, and clairvoyance and pulling in information as such, you don't know who you're connected up with, and we do know that it is well considered by many in the period of time that we are inhabiting in the paranormal research world that, the other side is full of pranksters.
BRAD: Absolutely.
JEFF::: Not all nice pranksters either.
BRAD: No, no, no.
JEFF::: So these who channel, we're not saying that channelling doesn't occur on some occasions, well I think it does, but they have no guarantee, about who they're connected with.
BRAD: No.
JEFF::: I mean the person could say and they always usually say on the other side they're some famous discarnate spirit but... come on... it's.... there's no way to know. And to play games with this kind of potential is really dumb. It's not smart and it's damn dangerous. So we've had stories on this program Brad and you...
BRAD: Oh... And Sherry and I have counseled hundreds between the two of us. And, you know, these are individuals who.. Eh.. some approached it as a game, which it isn't, as you've just said so rightly, and adventure, a spooky thing to do, even as a joke, and they suffered, you know, psychological, spiritual consequences.
Now, if you start doing something like this over the airwaves, you are really being irresponsible. Now, right now, you know, if we proposed that, we could have hundreds of thousands of people, if we just set up the scene, set up the suggestion that there's something, something in the room with them that they cannot see, if we proceeded with that, if we kept going, we would be irresponsible because there are the vulnerable, the gullible, the paranoid,
JEFF::: and the weak] the highly sensitive.
This is not criticising anyone, this is not saying for those of you who think 'oh I wouldn't be susceptible', don't be too sure. As I said when you think you're really invulnerable, is when you're the most vulnerable. The paranoid, the suspicious, those who... and I get e-mails from... people are, right now, and not just when I'm on,
JEFF::, I know you have dealt with this with other researchers... one of the main e-mails, the main category we get are people who believe they're under... and maybe they are, but they believe their under psychic attack.
JEFF::: Sure. They (inaudible), I think the veil is (inaudible) but I don't think we need that. I think there are a lot of people walking among us who have... eh.. I don't wanna say powers and abilities, but they have something about them that impact and influence other people. We know through the work of Dr William Tiller (?)
BRAD: Right] that extreme emotion is expended by someone, that that room, the energy in the room is literally changed and is measurable for weeks afterward. This is science (?) fact. This is not a speculation.
BRAD: Dr Tiller is a solid physical physicist and he's done excellent work.
JEFF::: Tiller is one of the great geniuses of all time out of Stanford and anywhere else for that matter, but he'd say it is measurable. The psychic disturbance set up by severe emotional stress in any location lasts, it doesn't go away. And it does impact other people, it can be detected and they're doing it. This whole thing of non-local consciousness study now is extraordinarily exciting and sobering at the same time.
Now, what we're talking about here is our Ouija warning. We've put up a new edition of it, it's in the special feature under guests night, and it says Ouija warning, you can click on it and it says, so let me just read a little bit to you: It's a serious word of caution to those who would conduct an experiment with mass consciousness and the Ouija board. In spite of warnings, cautions, and protests against such a project, we have learned that within the next couple weeks a national radio program plans to broadcast an experiment with mass consciousness and the Ouija board. Now this isn't mass prayer, or mass positive thinking, nothing like that. We don't have a problem with that, that's good. That's good.
BRAD: That's good.
JEFF::: But those conduction this experiment hope to "make a bit of paranormal history". Well, they may never know how many lives they permanently destroy. And we're not joking.
BRAD: That's right.
JEFF::: We're not joking about this. There are people... we've had... What was it the woman’s sister or nephew or niece, somebody in a family was on the program here, who lost, oh his very close friend.
BRAD: A very close friend.
JEFF::: Nice young woman.
BRAD: This was in the late fifties.
JEFF::: Yeah] And she's never been free of the psychological damage, in and out of hospitals, mental care centers, all of her life, because of one session.
JEFF::: Yeah. Let me tell you something else. We also know that when one even knocks back a beer, or has a drink or two, or does any mind altering substance, whatever it be legal, so called legal, or illegal, it will open the door for far easier access into your consciousness, your subconsciousness and your spirit, and those are very private places to the other side. So, when you're in an altered state you are in a vulnerable state even more so, so keep that in mind as well. And then, this is not a joke. Brad and Sherry, and others, have been studying this for an aweful long time and we know, through the stories we've heard on this program, with specificity, that this is a dangerous thing to do. I would go ahead and call it irresponsible…
BRAD: I would too] …on a national media bases, not pointing fingers at anyone in particular…
BRAD: No, no.] …I'm pointing a finger at a decision made probably by a number of people and a platform that eh.. frankly ought to know better, and professes to understand this field of the paranormal, but in reality seems to me to be out just to knock back a few ratings points here, and whatever. It's wrong. It's just wrong and that's the truth. And we put up the warnings that Brad and Sherry got from some of the worlds foremost paranormal researchers. You can read them. And just understand what we're talking about is absolutely legitimate, we're not joking, this is not some reaction, we're not playing sour grapes, we could do this, we could have done this ten twelve years ago.
BRAD: That's right.] We will never do it.
BRAD: Never.] Ever. There's so many other things in the paranormal field that are worthy of a national radio audience. This is at the bottom of the list. I don't understand it except if it's an attempt at ratings grab. Maybe it's sweep (?) week I don't know.
BRAD: The majority (inaudible) the pre-eminent researchers and some just answered with a word or two about rage and disgust so it's... we did not include in this posting.
JEFF::: Ok, when we come back we'll read a couple of those and maybe we'll open the phone lines and see if you folks have a comment or two about Ouija boards that's fine, we don't do many calls around here, but we'd be glad to do that and our calling number is 800-2599231. 800-2599231 JEFF: Rense with Brad Steiger on thursday the 12th and we shall continue.
JEFF::: Ok, right back with you, Brad and I are gonna do something we don't do too often here but this is very important. It has to do with the other side, or perhaps this other side isn't so other after all... It's.. it's a... it's here. It has to do with contacting or attempting to contact the spiritual among us through the Ouija board and as you heard in the last hour there's a big national "experiment" going to be mounted shortly. We caution against it, we urge you not to listen, not to participate, and in fact probably I would say personally urge the program to drop it. It just isn't worth it.
BRAD: I wish they would.
JEFF::: They will never know how many lives have been negatively impacted. They will never know. There is no way to know. Someone who is on SSRI's (?), anti-depressants, might do this and kill themselves. That's easily within the realm of possibilities, it's not a joke. We're not exaggerating here at all.
BRAD: No.] So, eh... here's some of the response that Brad will read now from some of the people that he and Sherry contacted about this purported Ouija experiment. You wanna read a couple of those?
BRAD: Well, I think this one from a psychologist as well as best selling author is an interesting point:
"Indeed, who is providing the triage for the borderline personality that goes sleepless in Seattle to Souix city. Not to mention the potential for opening a portal for beings that go bump in' the night, that can't be readily closed. When we are dealing with millions of listeners, I shudder at the consequences. As with drug experiments, set and setting is the x-factor that has to be managed and monitored closely. For example, now think of this, a worse case scenario would be if a traumatic world event, natural disaster, happened to coincide with this psychic experiment, and we lost power. Then how would they bring post-op closure and comfort to the afflicted? To not do so is a form of malpractice and abuse of the airwaves."
JEFF::: I concur, I mean this isn't some kind of ambushed journalism on Fox TV, this is something that eh.. it's the old expression: you don't mess with mother nature
BRAD: No.] Mother nature oversees all of it, this side, the other side, we're talking about the oneness of the universe and the ultimate power, whatever it is
BRAD: Whatever it is.] (inaudible) …personified, it doesn't matter.
A very well known sociologist said: I suspect that a large percentage of listeners will be vulnerable and gullible. I suspect that this experiment will have a huge negative effect, real or imagined. This program has done many things in the past that I have thought were dangerous to the unbalanced among those who listened to the show. But this takes the cake.
BRAD: Another very eminent paranormal researcher says
"All cases where we have been contacted about problems with nasty spirits were a result of using the Ouija board.
JEFF::: Wow, all cases.] While the board may not be harmful for some, it just takes one time to open the portal, which is the case we were discussing before,
JEFF::. One time to open the portal as to allow low level spirits into ones home. We are totally against it (that's an experiment?) …not from a religious standpoint, but from a practical level. it just invites trouble.
Now whether you believe this is not, this is this paranormal researcher, very prominent. We believe the living have no power over the dead. So once these low level spirits enter a home, there's no way to banish them. Every time exorcism is attempted the spirits become more angry, still remain in the home, but now they have become more malicious.
JEFF::: Now, these are folks.. the best I've.. we haven't identified them. You know us well enough. We tell you these are the best, this is the best group that Brad and Sherry could contact, and they've been at it a long time.
BRAD: Now, this one's form a doctor who also is interested in the paranormal, does some research, but he's primarily a doctor. This is not smart at all, he says.
It is best to not listen to the program. Good people have tried to warn against the experiment. I once saw a patient who used the board with her husband. The contact was clear and concise. The party, the entity on the other side, that there had been stuck in limbo for two hundred years, and now they could exchange energies with those who were working the board, asked, who that would be, who trade lives with the ones stuck in other dimension? The entity in limbo said: why you of course? With that the patient and hubby burnt the board and that was that.
Now this is his final comment on this experiment. He says: One should not parachute into lion-country wearing only a loin cloth.
JEFF::: Yeah. Well said.
BRAD: Yeah, hahaha.
JEFF::: Very well said... a psychic loin cloth as it were. Another one said: Applause, writing to Brad and Sherry, for a reasoned reaction to the Ouija board experiment. This upcoming gig is a desperate, self-evident attempt at stimulating interest in a jaded (?) audience. What else could the producers hope to achieve by such foolishness. They obviously either do not know or care about the obvious implications. These are all fair critiques, these are all fair responses. There's nothing excessive, nothing contrived here at all. Nothing.
BRAD: This is about... this is by a psychic sensitive, author of many books and appears on radio and television regularly... says:
I have written about our youthful use of a Ouija board, and included a photo that clearly shows us using the board, with a demonic face peering in at us through the window! When a group of us were quietly and intently watching The Exorcist at its scariest moment a Ouija board jumped off a high living room shelf, and smashed itself to the floor! [Those conducting this experiment] need to grow up and get some serious paranormal sensitivity. They are NOT protecting their vulnerable audience.
JEFF::: See that's my big deal here that the audience is really being left out in the open….
BRAD: On their own, haha] …utterly exposed. Uh, yeah and there will be, there will be, I can just about guarantee, I can almost with certainty guarantee it, there will be people who will be damaged by this.
BRAD: I'm afraid so.
JEFF::: And I don't want to say it.
BRAD: No, I don't either. Here's one more we'll just read one more:
The board is not the problem, the problem is the host of malevolent sprits waiting for gullible people to open doors that they do not understand. One must always be cautious doing so...the problem is those ignorant of the dangers and who may not recognize spirits for what they truly are (Satan's minions often appear as beings of light to mislead people, and such people do not recognize this until it is too late). I have cautioned [the host of the radio program]. As yourself and Sherry, I'm hoping "paranormal history" is not going to be made on a disastrous footnote. Add myself to the list of those who are going to be saying prayers the night of this experiment. Hopefully, the Creator will not allow anything serious to happen, but I still think nothing good will happen from this.
JEFF::: No, I don't know how anything good could, and again no one will know about the bad. There are so many people who live lives of loneliness and confusion, my god, think of them all, shut ins and (?) who are gonna play around with this now and eh...and they're all on their meds, eh whatever.
BRAD: And again, I'm certain that people who experiment will feel that they've surrounded with light and they've prepared the audience...
JEFF::: No there is no defence like that it doesn't work in this case.
BRAD: No it doesn't, hahahaha... you have to be experienced, you have to have studied, you have to have discernment, you don't just (word?) something like this. I mean, of course, there again, I'll emphasize, we're not naive that the board is somehow possessed and has evil in it, but it's the mind, the unconsciousness. What can be activated from the shadows, that are just hovering around on the other dimension. Ok, you can call it a harmless instrument, but it can be harmful to the indiscriminate, the unprepared, who will participate in really, a very ancient ritual of spirit contact.
JEFF::: That's what it is. Ok, we'll pause and be back, we've got callers holding and we'll get to you right away. 800-2599231 toll free 800-2599231 if you have a comment or question, we'll be happy to take it. Next.
