(Approaching Infinity) You want to ask about Baby Caesar?
(L) What about Baby Caesar?
(Approaching Infinity) If his story was either taken on by Augustus, or if the Jesus story... if either of those people stole it from Caesar?
A: The Baby Jesus Story is an amalgamation of Mithras and Caesar. The story of "Jesus" causing wonder among the "Doctors of the Law" is referring to Caesar. Augustus borrowed an element or two of the tale of Caesar, but mostly not.
Q: (L) Okay. Hmm. Well, that doesn't help me at all, does it? Was there anything remarkable about Caesar's birth?
A: Comet.
Q: (L) So there was a comet at the time of his birth, and that was the main thing. A comet at his birth, and a comet at his death. Is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) But, no “laid in the manger” business, no wise men, nothing like that.
A: No.
Q: (Pierre) But the comets meant something. It was not only random chance, was it?
(L) But all the stuff about Jesus and the manger and being born in a cave or whatever...
(Perceval) Well, how long was the comet in the sky, and how many were born at the same time?
(Pierre) But an individual having a comet at his birth and at his death...
(L) Is kind of special. I mean, look at Mark Twain!
(Perceval) But how many people were born at that time? It doesn't necessarily relate to Caesar. If it was there in the sky for a week or two weeks, then you've got hundreds of people being born with the comet in the sky. But from a human point of view, people took it as a sign...
A: Receivership capability!
Q: (L) So there can be hundreds of people born with the emanations of a comet in the atmosphere, but only the one that has the receivership capability would be affected or influenced by it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So it can be very important, but only for...
(Perceval) From a hidden perspective, and not from an ordinary human perspective. Was the cult surrounding Caesar after his death perceived as a threat by someone at that time or thereafter?
A: Indeed! Caesar advocated treating the poor and the masses with care and kindness.
Q: (Perceval) So they were threatened enough to kill him and undo pretty much everything he had done... But, was there a real threat that his teaching would have spread across the world and changed everything?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) The ideas of communalism, sharing, caring, mercy etc.
(Perceval) What I'm trying to do is contrast the extent of that threat of changing the world in a positive way with what they did to his story. And we still have it today! They didn't just stamp it out at the time and then forget about it. We're still lumbered with the deception. So, it's so big and so monstrous... Like opportunistically, they killed two birds with one stone... "We can get rid of Caesar and his teachings, and then we can also have this new religion that gets us what we want!"
(L) Yeah, a religion of passivity, obey your masters, give them all your money, pay your taxes, and all this kind of stuff.
(Perceval) Yeah, maybe the perception at that time was that a new organized religion was necessary...
(L) Was Paul the author of those things where he advised people to pay their taxes, render to Caesar and all this kind of stuff?
A: Partly, yes. But he was being wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove. What he wrote in his letters was the "milk", he only gave the meat in person.
Q: (L) Okay. Well, is there anything that we want to... We've been here for a longer time than I expected. My backside is really... Are you raising your hand, Approaching Infinity? I can't see your hand, but...
(Chu) Approaching Infinity is giggling there...
(L) Alright Approaching Infinity, come on.
(Approaching Infinity) Allegedly, one of the earliest things about the Jesus people was their communal meal, the Eucharist. Was there something about Caesar's life, or something that he did, that led to that?
A: Not in particular, however it came to be a sign shared because Caesar made sure that the hungry were fed and if his soldiers were hungry, he shared their suffering. The "meal" was another aspect borrowed from Mithras. Notice that the clue about Tarsus points to Mithraism also. Finally, elements of Caesar's last supper were incorporated into the story as well!
Q: (Perceval) Caesar's last supper?
(Kniall) Yeah, he had a meal and he was asked how he would like to die.
(L) And he said it didn't matter, just as long as it was quick. [...]