Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[nicklebleu]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

I know this is internal considering, but I have not so much time to read the whole thread but is someone able to give a little summarize on why to go from the paleo diet to the ketogenic diet? So I can start from there.

I think the short answer is that ...
... it optimizes your fuel supply, as you are not relying on external carbs being supplied to your body in regular intervals, as it is able to tap into your storage fat at will and thus has a virtually unlimited energy supply.
... keeps insulin lower, which is a good thing in itself.
... ketones are the preferred fuel source for many, if not most of your organs (mainly your heart and to some extent your brain as well).
... it may reverse mytochondrial dysfunction, which is at the heart of most, if not all, civilisatory diseases like diabetes, cardiovascular disease and cancer.

Before you embark on a change of your diet towards ketosis I really do urge you to read the entire thread. There's no rush - you are already on a Paleo diet, you are on the right track. I think with this you already reap a lot of benefits. It is important to understand the whole mechanics of ketosis before you embark on that, as you will invariably hit some snags on the way and you will need to know how to counter them.

Hope that helps and fuels your motivation to dig into that - I think it's really worth it!

 

[H-KQGE]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Many times I feel some tension in the jaw and I observe I usually keep jaws clenched, I thought it may be due to some level of toxicity or lack of some nutritional element.?? Or maybe the stress accumulated from previous crises in the diet and emotional think.

You might be what is referred to in dentistry as a "grinder" - someone who clenches his/er teeth awake and during sleep, which over time leads to teeth being ground down and it may eventually expose the inner vulnerable part (dentin) of the tooth.

I am a grinder ... :(

There are basically two strategies - a symptomatic one and a curative one.

The symptomatic consists in wearing a spint at night that 1) prevents grinding of your teeth together and thus doesn't damage them, but also changes occlusion, so that your jaw is unable to generate the same amount of force to clench your jaw together. This generally leads to less tension in the morning and kind of reduces the cycle of clenching.

The cure consists in visiting an oromyofacial therapist (which might be hard to find, depending on where you live), but they will teach you correct biting and swallowing techniques, which will eventually change the shape of your jaw (jaw bone is of a different kind than most of the other bones in your body - it will change shape during your whole life given changing forces). Myotherapists claim that grinding and teeth clenching is due - at least in part, and next to psychological issues - to a wrong shape of your jaw and incongruent biting mechanics, which they aim to correct. I had planned to take a training course on that, but haven't been able to do so far.

Good luck!

I'm a "grinder" too. Annoying when i'm aware of it & it's always (don't know about during sleep) when i'm awake. The myotherapist's claims about psychological issues does ring true, it'll be difficult to pinpoint exactly when it started. Thanks for the info.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Many times I feel some tension in the jaw and I observe I usually keep jaws clenched, I thought it may be due to some level of toxicity or lack of some nutritional element.?? Or maybe the stress accumulated from previous crises in the diet and emotional think.

You might be what is referred to in dentistry as a "grinder" - someone who clenches his/er teeth awake and during sleep, which over time leads to teeth being ground down and it may eventually expose the inner vulnerable part (dentin) of the tooth.

I am a grinder ... :(

There are basically two strategies - a symptomatic one and a curative one.

The symptomatic consists in wearing a spint at night that 1) prevents grinding of your teeth together and thus doesn't damage them, but also changes occlusion, so that your jaw is unable to generate the same amount of force to clench your jaw together. This generally leads to less tension in the morning and kind of reduces the cycle of clenching.

The cure consists in visiting an oromyofacial therapist (which might be hard to find, depending on where you live), but they will teach you correct biting and swallowing techniques, which will eventually change the shape of your jaw (jaw bone is of a different kind than most of the other bones in your body - it will change shape during your whole life given changing forces). Myotherapists claim that grinding and teeth clenching is due - at least in part, and next to psychological issues - to a wrong shape of your jaw and incongruent biting mechanics, which they aim to correct. I had planned to take a training course on that, but haven't been able to do so far.

Good luck!

I'm a "grinder" too. Annoying when i'm aware of it & it's always (don't know about during sleep) when i'm awake. The myotherapist's claims about psychological issues does ring true, it'll be difficult to pinpoint exactly when it started. Thanks for the info.

About the grinding, I think it's best not to be annoyed by it -- it may be a sign of underlying emotions that need to be processed. It was really helpful to watch the video linked in the In An Unspoken Voice thread. It involves paying attention to the sensations of the jaw-clenching. Peter Levine explains the method well and it was easy to follow. I recommend trying it fwiw.

 

[H-KQGE]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

About the grinding, I think it's best not to be annoyed by it -- it may be a sign of underlying emotions that need to be processed. It was really helpful to watch the video linked in the In An Unspoken Voice thread. It involves paying attention to the sensations of the jaw-clenching. Peter Levine explains the method well and it was easy to follow. I recommend trying it fwiw.

The clenching is normally when i'm reading (negative form of self-soothing?) & isn't a hard biting motion, but more of a series of little clenches & scrapes on both sides of my mouth & on both upper & lower sections. I agree about underlying emotional processing though. There are still parts of me that are stunted. I'll be checking out the video, & thanks for the link. Am slowly making progress through the recommended books & threads & have loads of bookmarks. :)

 

[Rhythmik]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you for the keto/bodybuilding links on the previous page, just what I was looking for.
So it seems I require 150g+ of protein a day, this seems like a lot to get from meat (and expensive). Plus I get full very quickly and eat smaller portions.
Are there keto-friendly protein shakes or any other foods I can get protein easily from?

 

[cubbex]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Well thank you for the response, I'm not completely into the paleo diet I'm just curious on why to go on the ketogenic diet, what I do is I avoid carbs and gluten products.

And no, don't drink any protein shakes, those things are mm well not so good I recommend you to eat lots of whole eggs, Vince Gironda said that eating 36 eggs per day was the best for a bodybuilding and it was like using a natural steroid. The problem is that a lot of people do not like eggs, and I love them :P

 

[Jasmine]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you for the keto/bodybuilding links on the previous page, just what I was looking for.
So it seems I require 150g+ of protein a day, this seems like a lot to get from meat (and expensive). Plus I get full very quickly and eat smaller portions.
Are there keto-friendly protein shakes or any other foods I can get protein easily from?

Yes, have you tried Quinoa? Pure Quinoa is gluten-free, and loaded with protein. I'm not an expert on the Keto diet but I think that Quinoa is acceptable. Maybe not because it's not a fat rich food, but it fits somewhere in there between Paleo and Keto. I'd do a search on this board for it, I've seen it mentioned. There's some great recipes for it especially if you like spicy curry dishes. My recipe includes turmeric which is making a lot of headlines lately for its extraordinary heath properties. But of-coarse you can just serve it plain as well. Good luck

 

[Nienna]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you for the keto/bodybuilding links on the previous page, just what I was looking for.
So it seems I require 150g+ of protein a day, this seems like a lot to get from meat (and expensive). Plus I get full very quickly and eat smaller portions.
Are there keto-friendly protein shakes or any other foods I can get protein easily from?

Yes, have you tried Quinoa? Pure Quinoa is gluten-free, and loaded with protein. I'm not an expert on the Keto diet but I think that Quinoa is acceptable. Maybe not because it's not a fat rich food, but it fits somewhere in there between Paleo and Keto. I'd do a search on this board for it, I've seen it mentioned. There's some great recipes for it especially if you like spicy curry dishes. My recipe includes turmeric which is making a lot of headlines lately for its extraordinary heath properties. But of-coarse you can just serve it plain as well. Good luck

We found, through experience, that quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat have their own set of problems. They are okay as a transition away from wheat, but need to be let go as well as wheat.

 

[Nienna]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Well thank you for the response, I'm not completely into the paleo diet I'm just curious on why to go on the ketogenic diet, what I do is I avoid carbs and gluten products.

If you are avoiding carbs, then you are only eating meat/fat, and even they contain some small amount of carbs. So are you not eating any vegetables or fruits?

 

[Jasmine]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you for the keto/bodybuilding links on the previous page, just what I was looking for.
So it seems I require 150g+ of protein a day, this seems like a lot to get from meat (and expensive). Plus I get full very quickly and eat smaller portions.
Are there keto-friendly protein shakes or any other foods I can get protein easily from?

Yes, have you tried Quinoa? Pure Quinoa is gluten-free, and loaded with protein. I'm not an expert on the Keto diet but I think that Quinoa is acceptable. Maybe not because it's not a fat rich food, but it fits somewhere in there between Paleo and Keto. I'd do a search on this board for it, I've seen it mentioned. There's some great recipes for it especially if you like spicy curry dishes. My recipe includes turmeric which is making a lot of headlines lately for its extraordinary heath properties. But of-coarse you can just serve it plain as well. Good luck

We found, through experience, that quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat have their own set of problems. They are okay as a transition away from wheat, but need to be let go as well as wheat.

Thnak you Nienna for the updated info. It's very interesting as I was actually eating it during my transition into the Paleo diet, and haven't eaten it since. I'll do a search on the board when I get time and hopefully see if I can find some discussion on what you mentioned about it having it's own issues, just to be fully informed of what those issues are. Thanks again.

 

[Vic]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you for the keto/bodybuilding links on the previous page, just what I was looking for.
So it seems I require 150g+ of protein a day, this seems like a lot to get from meat (and expensive). Plus I get full very quickly and eat smaller portions.
Are there keto-friendly protein shakes or any other foods I can get protein easily from?

Yes, have you tried Quinoa? Pure Quinoa is gluten-free, and loaded with protein. I'm not an expert on the Keto diet but I think that Quinoa is acceptable. Maybe not because it's not a fat rich food, but it fits somewhere in there between Paleo and Keto. I'd do a search on this board for it, I've seen it mentioned. There's some great recipes for it especially if you like spicy curry dishes. My recipe includes turmeric which is making a lot of headlines lately for its extraordinary heath properties. But of-coarse you can just serve it plain as well. Good luck

We found, through experience, that quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat have their own set of problems. They are okay as a transition away from wheat, but need to be let go as well as wheat.

Thnak you Nienna for the updated info. It's very interesting as I was actually eating it during my transition into the Paleo diet, and haven't eaten it since. I'll do a search on the board when I get time and hopefully see if I can find some discussion on what you mentioned about it having it's own issues, just to be fully informed of what those issues are. Thanks again.

Hi Jasmine

Quinoa, being a grain, presents problems:

"...The causes of the problems are manifold and there is no simple solution except as described above; that is the safest diet advice. Eat meat, increase good fats including saturated animal fats that we evolved to eat; eat plenty of complex carbs in the form of veggies; avoid grains like the plague, and other seed foods; avoid dairy; and eat fruit sparingly. "

The extract is from a post by Laura here if you'd like to read it.

Hope it helps.

 

[Laura]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Hi Jasmine

Quinoa, being a grain, presents problems:

"...The causes of the problems are manifold and there is no simple solution except as described above; that is the safest diet advice. Eat meat, increase good fats including saturated animal fats that we evolved to eat; eat plenty of complex carbs in the form of veggies; avoid grains like the plague, and other seed foods; avoid dairy; and eat fruit sparingly. "

The extract is from a post by Laura here if you'd like to read it.

Hope it helps.

Yeah, we've learned by experience/experiment.

But, we have also learned that you can have a few things like breads made with tapioca/manioc flour with a bit of ground cashew flour for "nuttiness" (or pecan flour). If you need some carb thing with your meal, 3/4 of a cup of instant mashed potatoes with lots of butter should do the trick. I say instant because, even though it is a nightshade, when it is processed to become "instant", it seems to remove the evil stuff.

In general, I'll say again: just ditch the grains, all of them. And if you use nuts sometimes, they should be soaked and then roasted. In general, root things seem to be less aggravating than seed things, though green beans are usually okay because the seeds in them are not "ripe". Even coconut is part of a giant seed and many people have problems with it despite the claims for the goodness of coconut oil. If your system is robust, and it doesn't bother you, go for it.

You can have things like fried chicken, biscuits, gravy, etc ... just experiment with tapioca flour, potato flour, some ground nuts for more flavor. We generally take the leftover breading mixture from fried chicken which has plenty of yummy seasonings, add some eggs, maybe a bit of water and baking powder, mix it up, and drop it in greased muffin pan for savory chicken bread.

There's a great book called 'Paleo Comfort Foods' but you have to adjust the recipes since they have ingredients that some of the more sensitive cannot tolerate. But, if your system is robust enough, you should do okay with these things.

Obviously, the suggestions I am making here are for those who are 1) robust and didn't have any serious problems before dietary changes; 2) those who did have problems but have been gluten and dairy free - and symptom free - for at least two years.

 

[Jasmine]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Yeah, we've learned by experience/experiment.

But, we have also learned that you can have a few things like breads made with tapioca/manioc flour with a bit of ground cashew flour for "nuttiness" (or pecan flour). If you need some carb thing with your meal, 3/4 of a cup of instant mashed potatoes with lots of butter should do the trick. I say instant because, even though it is a nightshade, when it is processed to become "instant", it seems to remove the evil stuff.

In general, I'll say again: just ditch the grains, all of them. And if you use nuts sometimes, they should be soaked and then roasted. In general, root things seem to be less aggravating than seed things, though green beans are usually okay because the seeds in them are not "ripe". Even coconut is part of a giant seed and many people have problems with it despite the claims for the goodness of coconut oil. If your system is robust, and it doesn't bother you, go for it.

You can have things like fried chicken, biscuits, gravy, etc ... just experiment with tapioca flour, potato flour, some ground nuts for more flavor. We generally take the leftover breading mixture from fried chicken which has plenty of yummy seasonings, add some eggs, maybe a bit of water and baking powder, mix it up, and drop it in greased muffin pan for savory chicken bread.

There's a great book called 'Paleo Comfort Foods' but you have to adjust the recipes since they have ingredients that some of the more sensitive cannot tolerate. But, if your system is robust enough, you should do okay with these things.

Obviously, the suggestions I am making here are for those who are 1) robust and didn't have any serious problems before dietary changes; 2) those who did have problems but have been gluten and dairy free - and symptom free - for at least two years.

Hi Laura, I feel so very honored to get a reply from you from my post! Please excuse me for a moment while I gush in satisfaction from a personal reply from you for the first time. I think I'm your biggest fan if that is at all possible. I love and respect your work so much. You're a wonderful mentor and set a beautiful example to others who are on the path of truth. Thank you so much for being you!

Thank you for all this additional information. I will definitely have some fun in the kitchen trying these things you've recommended here. I loved your video on making sausage patties. I followed it verbatim, and have since been enjoying yummy sausage patties. And thank you very much for the book recommendation. I have a few books of yours that I need to order first, but it will most certainly go on my list.

Thank you and have a great day Laura :)

 

[emilien512]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Question: did anyone experienced eating only meat RAW in their diet? How was it like, I have made a few periods of a few days and I just had strong cravings/horrible emotions at first, but then I felt fine after 3-4 days, also I consider that blood should be removed/avoided.

 

[Carl]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Question: did anyone experienced eating only meat RAW in their diet? How was it like, I have made a few periods of a few days and I just had strong cravings/horrible emotions at first, but then I felt fine after 3-4 days, also I consider that blood should be removed/avoided.

I wouldn't recommend eating all of your meat raw. There are quite a few articles on the topic online and on SoTT:

http://www.sott.net/article/237915-Cavemen-Knew-It-Cooked-Meat-Offers-More-Energy

http://www.sott.net/article/254157-Sorry-vegans-Eating-meat-and-cooking-food-is-how-humans-got-their-big-brains