Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[mcb]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

More intestinal health stuff... http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/9722/20130925/genetic-makeup-diet-affect-microbiome.htm
...

There is a specific SNP in the gene FUT2 (rs601338 at 23andMe) that you can check if you have had your DNA analyzed and you have the data available to browse. Non-secretors carry the AA variant. Mine is GA. AA would have explained a few things, but I guess I would rather just have a "good" SNP there.

I don't know if this one SNP really covers all possibilities. It seems like usually they don't.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On another note, I have embarked on another sideline experiment to check out the behaviour of serum BOHB under a different diet. At the moment I am doing what you could call a "juice fast" - I drink three cups of juice from organic veggies (kale, celery, beetroot, carrots, garlic, ginger, tumeric, cabbage, apple, passionfruit etc.) as my sole food intake - to see how that affects my BOHB levels. I started yesterday, but already BOHB levels have shot up, despite what I am ingesting is mainly carbs, if not in huge quantities. I am well aware that I am probably in starvation ketosis, but I have decided to do that for one week and then see what happens.

So far I am feeling pretty good, not much hunger, not much brain fog, energy levels unchanged ... but I'll report back after cessation of that experiment!

I just wanted to post my experiences after aborting my juice fast ... I stopped last Friday evening, after less than a week. The following things were notable:

- I remained in light ketosis throughout (BOHB levels around 1 mmol/l)
- No hunger
- Energy levels waaaay down
- My "early warning radar" got triggered - painful joints in fingers, always the first symptom of increased inflammation of the body
- Caught a cold - which I haven't had since i started out on the ketogenic diet

Glad I am back to the "tried and tested" again - the interesting bit for me was the wholly negative impact that these 4 - 5 days of juicing had on my body - quite amazing.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience, not to be repeated by me anytime soon ...

I think it was smart to stop the experiment and go back to keto. The fruit juices mentioned contain a whole lot of sugar (fructose - one cup of juice would be like eating the amount of fructose from a few whole fruits). That could have contributed to the problems including catching a cold.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On another note, I have embarked on another sideline experiment to check out the behaviour of serum BOHB under a different diet. At the moment I am doing what you could call a "juice fast" - I drink three cups of juice from organic veggies (kale, celery, beetroot, carrots, garlic, ginger, tumeric, cabbage, apple, passionfruit etc.) as my sole food intake - to see how that affects my BOHB levels. I started yesterday, but already BOHB levels have shot up, despite what I am ingesting is mainly carbs, if not in huge quantities. I am well aware that I am probably in starvation ketosis, but I have decided to do that for one week and then see what happens.

So far I am feeling pretty good, not much hunger, not much brain fog, energy levels unchanged ... but I'll report back after cessation of that experiment!

I just wanted to post my experiences after aborting my juice fast ... I stopped last Friday evening, after less than a week. The following things were notable:

- I remained in light ketosis throughout (BOHB levels around 1 mmol/l)
- No hunger
- Energy levels waaaay down
- My "early warning radar" got triggered - painful joints in fingers, always the first symptom of increased inflammation of the body
- Caught a cold - which I haven't had since i started out on the ketogenic diet

Glad I am back to the "tried and tested" again - the interesting bit for me was the wholly negative impact that these 4 - 5 days of juicing had on my body - quite amazing.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience, not to be repeated by me anytime soon ...

I think it was smart to stop the experiment and go back to keto. The fruit juices mentioned contain a whole lot of sugar (fructose - one cup of juice would be like eating the amount of fructose from a few whole fruits). That could have contributed to the problems including catching a cold.

I appreciate your sharing of the results of your experiment, I was wondering if juice fasts were of any benefit after listening to a podcast on the topic. My sister has also been drinking green smoothies, I had a sip and it had a refreshing kind of taste to it. But as has been said before, the benefits some people get out of these fasts can be easily attributed to the fact that they incidentally make people avoid grains, dairy, soy and the chemical poisons in the mainstream food supply. They are hardly sustainable in an of themselves, looking at it from the view of the body's requirement for essential fats, amino acids, fat soluble vitamins, and other nutrients and minerals that are assimilated from eating animals.

 

[emilien512]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Has anyone tried Ceylan Tea? Of all the Tea/Cocoa/Coffee drinks, it is the stronger I ever tried, the excitation is sooo strong but really difficult to "forget". It take days to pass just for 1 cup.

 

[Carl]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Has anyone tried Ceylan Tea? Of all the Tea/Cocoa/Coffee drinks, it is the stronger I ever tried, the excitation is sooo strong but really difficult to "forget". It take days to pass just for 1 cup.

Speaking of tea, it's something I can no longer drink in any form. I don't know if anyone else suffers from this, but after a few sips of black or green tea I start to get large amounts of mucous in my nose/throat, with a feeling of some fluid overload all the way up my neck to my ears. It makes my voice sound like I have a cold, and I'm constantly swallowing and clearing my throat. I also get the same from chocolate, however I'm fine with a good quality coffee in strict moderation.


It's strange how these adverse effects have only started in the past few months.

 

[nicklebleu]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On another note, I have embarked on another sideline experiment to check out the behaviour of serum BOHB under a different diet. At the moment I am doing what you could call a "juice fast" - I drink three cups of juice from organic veggies (kale, celery, beetroot, carrots, garlic, ginger, tumeric, cabbage, apple, passionfruit etc.) as my sole food intake - to see how that affects my BOHB levels. I started yesterday, but already BOHB levels have shot up, despite what I am ingesting is mainly carbs, if not in huge quantities. I am well aware that I am probably in starvation ketosis, but I have decided to do that for one week and then see what happens.

So far I am feeling pretty good, not much hunger, not much brain fog, energy levels unchanged ... but I'll report back after cessation of that experiment!

I just wanted to post my experiences after aborting my juice fast ... I stopped last Friday evening, after less than a week. The following things were notable:

- I remained in light ketosis throughout (BOHB levels around 1 mmol/l)
- No hunger
- Energy levels waaaay down
- My "early warning radar" got triggered - painful joints in fingers, always the first symptom of increased inflammation of the body
- Caught a cold - which I haven't had since i started out on the ketogenic diet

Glad I am back to the "tried and tested" again - the interesting bit for me was the wholly negative impact that these 4 - 5 days of juicing had on my body - quite amazing.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience, not to be repeated by me anytime soon ...

I think it was smart to stop the experiment and go back to keto. The fruit juices mentioned contain a whole lot of sugar (fructose - one cup of juice would be like eating the amount of fructose from a few whole fruits). That could have contributed to the problems including catching a cold.

I appreciate your sharing of the results of your experiment, I was wondering if juice fasts were of any benefit after listening to a podcast on the topic. My sister has also been drinking green smoothies, I had a sip and it had a refreshing kind of taste to it. But as has been said before, the benefits some people get out of these fasts can be easily attributed to the fact that they incidentally make people avoid grains, dairy, soy and the chemical poisons in the mainstream food supply. They are hardly sustainable in an of themselves, looking at it from the view of the body's requirement for essential fats, amino acids, fat soluble vitamins, and other nutrients and minerals that are assimilated from eating animals.

Just a little add-on - the juices I was drinking had very little fruit - it was mostly vegetables. So I don't think it was fructose, but rather lectins, or else some other sensitivity to something I am not aware of. All those vegetables don't affect me if cooked ... to me another indication that raw foods are not the healthiest thing.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Ahh, ok, thanks for the clarification, nicklebleu. I got fooled by that list that had "apples and passionfruit, etc." Plus the carrots and beetroot are relatively high carb, that's why I thought you might have overdone it with sugars. Good point about the lectins.

 

[WIN 52]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

On another note, I have embarked on another sideline experiment to check out the behaviour of serum BOHB under a different diet. At the moment I am doing what you could call a "juice fast" - I drink three cups of juice from organic veggies (kale, celery, beetroot, carrots, garlic, ginger, tumeric, cabbage, apple, passionfruit etc.) as my sole food intake - to see how that affects my BOHB levels. I started yesterday, but already BOHB levels have shot up, despite what I am ingesting is mainly carbs, if not in huge quantities. I am well aware that I am probably in starvation ketosis, but I have decided to do that for one week and then see what happens.

So far I am feeling pretty good, not much hunger, not much brain fog, energy levels unchanged ... but I'll report back after cessation of that experiment!

I just wanted to post my experiences after aborting my juice fast ... I stopped last Friday evening, after less than a week. The following things were notable:

- I remained in light ketosis throughout (BOHB levels around 1 mmol/l)
- No hunger
- Energy levels waaaay down
- My "early warning radar" got triggered - painful joints in fingers, always the first symptom of increased inflammation of the body
- Caught a cold - which I haven't had since i started out on the ketogenic diet

Glad I am back to the "tried and tested" again - the interesting bit for me was the wholly negative impact that these 4 - 5 days of juicing had on my body - quite amazing.

Anyway, it was an interesting experience, not to be repeated by me anytime soon ...

I experienced that during Blueberry season this year. I picked some and ate quite a few as I picked. After 4-5 days of eating Blueberrys my hands started swelling. I seem to get this reaction whenever my carb intake is too high. Once and a while seems fine(3-4 times a year) but not daily.

 

[Tomek]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Nobody felt chest pains ? It has been almost two months since I feel discomfort, sometimes painful , on the left side of my chest. This discomfort appeared while I was following an intensive IT course, which lasted three weeks at 15 hours per day ... Very effective, but kinda exhausting. However, I went back to a normal pace of life there a month ago and this pain will not subside .

I had felt this kind of pain there ten years in high school. At the time, the cardiologist that I consulted gave me an ultrasound . His diagnosis : my heart is healthy , but a slight malformation of my chest (my sternum is recessed, which made ​​me like a hole between the ribs ) that the heart is sometimes directly hits the ribs , hence pain. These pains were parts of themselves and so far, everything was fine.

After a session with an osteopath, with little to no results , I consulted a doctor about this , which I prescribe blood tests , chest X-ray and ... anti-inflammatory and anxiolytics . I refrain from taking the last two . X-rays did not reveal anything abnormal. As for the blood test , it is quite normal too: nothing to report on minerals (I asked for iron test, but she must have forgot...) , cholesterol is in standards , and the marker of cardiovascular risk ( troponin t ) is negative . My doctor has asked me to " continue my treatment" for a week, and if nothing improves, she will give me a prescription to see a cardiologist (because yes , in France , you can not take the initiative to consult a specialist by yourself).

About the Diet : I'm mostly in ketosis , and gluten-free for almost 6 months. I take zinc in the morning and a little magnesium and vitamin B6 in the evening. Because of my chest malformation, my case is probably a bit unusual , but I still would like to know if other forum members have felt pain in the chest since they follow the KD.

 

[Gaby]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

About the Diet : I'm mostly in ketosis , and gluten-free for almost 6 months. I take zinc in the morning and a little magnesium and vitamin B6 in the evening.

Hi Tomek,

It is probably an irritation of the heart's outer layers against the sternum. That is, the heart doesn't lie exposed but it is inside the pericardium which when inflamed due to an irritation can give chest pains. Due to the nature of the inflammation, you could try boswellia serrata which is like "nature's ibuprofen" but without its side effects. It might help to deal with your chest pains.

My 2 cents! :)

 

[H-KQGE]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

More intestinal health stuff... http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/9722/20130925/genetic-makeup-diet-affect-microbiome.htm
...

There is a specific SNP in the gene FUT2 (rs601338 at 23andMe) that you can check if you have had your DNA analyzed and you have the data available to browse. Non-secretors carry the AA variant. Mine is GA. AA would have explained a few things, but I guess I would rather just have a "good" SNP there.

I don't know if this one SNP really covers all possibilities. It seems like usually they don't.

Unfortunately I haven't & still can't get DNA analysis (money) which I wanted to when it was first brought up in regards to the haemochromatosis & autoimmune thread.(at least that's where i first saw it) It won't stop me learning about it & what's related though. After brushing up on the topic, my attention is placed on RNA & the non-coding parts of the genome.(I see some scientists are still referring to what they don't understand as "junk DNA")
Also the d-ribose for ATP (still working on getting the supplement & trying it out, whilst reducing the carbs more) & the effects that genetic variations have on nucleotides, cell signalling & metabolism specifically. It's the mutations I find really interesting, the beneficial (but mainly) & non-beneficial from viruses using RNA. Info that is NK cell-related (Natural Killer cells) for immunological memory seems worth looking in to. Having a "well placed" SNP from what I could interpret does seem to be better than nothing. If you had a choice that is.

In microbial cooperation, mutualism & altruism are fascinating to me with regards to the forum discussion(s) about the subtle balance of gut bacteria, the maintenance of the interior landscape. I see that game theory pops up ("prisoner's dilemma") in relation to the concept of "cheating" in mutualism too!

This reminds me of some thoughts I had a while ago (before what I now know) about the problem for human beings seeming to be that of viruses, infections & mutations. What is done at the macro-level (what's eaten, drunk, what we do think & feel) causes an imbalance at the (micro) cellular level resulting in a sort of feeding frenzy & competition for dominance over the local domain. Then a negative (for us) feedback is established favouring those triumphant bacteria/viruses, to which we compound the situation by acting similarly on the macroscopic level, an sts "job well done" all around. Mind you, i didn't think of it using those specific words.

Your post made me aware of info that i wouldn't have thought i could get into by reading up on it just to be able to reply. I always wanted to join in, in the discussions of this sort but i was more focused on the psychology/behavioural science work (still am). I do feel somewhat out of my depth though, so i'll do more reading & post anything that seems relevant to these issues, paleo & keto. The Autistic spectrum & related brain disorders MS etc are still one of my priorities. Thanks for the "info/awareness boost."

 

[monotonic]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Well, I haven't been needing HCI for a while now. If I take one I usually get stomach pain even if mild. I would say it wasn't a large change in many ways. One amazing thing I discovered is that eating almonds is a very fast way to stifle the pain when taking more HCI than necessary. They also really increase the need for it, and can stop other food from digesting well for this reason.

I've found that fibery foods now have the expected effect of blowing up into huge stools, whereas before they did not.

Some adverse foods I tolerate better, but others seem to be worse, which is attributable to increased absorbtion. For the former however, recovery is much faster.

My emotions are more stable. I would say thinking is more expedient without unexpected glitches, but certain kinds of thoughts are no longer exaggerated to my observation, which may be ultimately right, but makes me feel lost because they played a large part in feeling my thoughts. Perhaps losing my acid deficiency has increased my absorption of substances that hinder this thinking. At the same time, outwardly I seem to be more coherent and better at formulating my ideas for presentations. Most things work better, but there is that one thing that seems oh so essential, perhaps moreso than the rest. For the rest can be improved with effort, but I don't feel effort can make up for this.

 

[Ariadna]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Nobody felt chest pains ? It has been almost two months since I feel discomfort, sometimes painful , on the left side of my chest. This discomfort appeared while I was following an intensive IT course, which lasted three weeks at 15 hours per day ... Very effective, but kinda exhausting. However, I went back to a normal pace of life there a month ago and this pain will not subside .

I had felt this kind of pain there ten years in high school. At the time, the cardiologist that I consulted gave me an ultrasound . His diagnosis : my heart is healthy , but a slight malformation of my chest (my sternum is recessed, which made ​​me like a hole between the ribs ) that the heart is sometimes directly hits the ribs , hence pain. These pains were parts of themselves and so far, everything was fine.

After a session with an osteopath, with little to no results , I consulted a doctor about this , which I prescribe blood tests , chest X-ray and ... anti-inflammatory and anxiolytics . I refrain from taking the last two . X-rays did not reveal anything abnormal. As for the blood test , it is quite normal too: nothing to report on minerals (I asked for iron test, but she must have forgot...) , cholesterol is in standards , and the marker of cardiovascular risk ( troponin t ) is negative . My doctor has asked me to " continue my treatment" for a week, and if nothing improves, she will give me a prescription to see a cardiologist (because yes , in France , you can not take the initiative to consult a specialist by yourself).

About the Diet : I'm mostly in ketosis , and gluten-free for almost 6 months. I take zinc in the morning and a little magnesium and vitamin B6 in the evening. Because of my chest malformation, my case is probably a bit unusual , but I still would like to know if other forum members have felt pain in the chest since they follow the KD.

Hi Tomek,
Yes, sometimes when I felt pain in the chest, rather discomfort. In some cases I think it was motivated by gas in the stomach, which compresses up. Sometimes I have the impression that may be mechanical, and that discomfort is reflected within the chest, sometimes more localized to the left and others to the right of the sternum. I practice yoga and a bit of swimming and I think the stretching and opening of the chest can cause such discomfort.
Today in particular I have the feeling as if a lump or ball in the esophagus and has not been calm all day, sometimes I feel closer to the estómado and other times closer to the throat. This discomfort I feel slightly lateralized to the right. It seems as if the pills I take would have been stuck there. I wonder if anyone else knows something about this trouble, I do not know how to explain it better.
thanks

 

[WIN 52]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Has anyone tried Ceylan Tea? Of all the Tea/Cocoa/Coffee drinks, it is the stronger I ever tried, the excitation is sooo strong but really difficult to "forget". It take days to pass just for 1 cup.

Speaking of tea, it's something I can no longer drink in any form. I don't know if anyone else suffers from this, but after a few sips of black or green tea I start to get large amounts of mucous in my nose/throat, with a feeling of some fluid overload all the way up my neck to my ears. It makes my voice sound like I have a cold, and I'm constantly swallowing and clearing my throat. I also get the same from chocolate, however I'm fine with a good quality coffee in strict moderation.


It's strange how these adverse effects have only started in the past few months.

I ate an Apple from my brother's back yard the other day.

The response was instantaneous, it was almost like a whistling or a call to something, which was almost like the cries of hunger. Shortly after I was spitting up gobs of mucous which seemed to flow out of my sinus cavity and lungs. I spit out more in 5 minutes than what would take a few days normally. My sinus cavity seemed very clear but was more plugged up in the morning than usual.

It seems eating any carb especially sugars has a similar response. Funny though raw Garlic has a similar effect without the sinuses being clogged up in the morning. Drinking bone broth in the evening does cause a flow and produces clear sinuses in the morning.

I tried Green Tea a while ago. That brought a lot of mucous the next couple of days. Coffee(organic) seems to be ok. I have gone egg-less for a week now and I may never eat them again unless possibly keeping a few chickens around free grazing, which may make a difference. Even the local farm eggs seem to be from chickens fed with questionable nutrition.

Living in Manitoba seems like being in a foreign land where available good organic food is almost non existent. Glad I am moving to an area where good food is more available and people are more concerned about GMO's, pesticides and not growing/raising food for maximum profit.

 

[cubbex]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Well, I've been watching videos about it and I became a little confused. Thing is that some say that low carbohydrates is good for bodybuilding and some say it depends, on how long the workout and how intense it is. My doubt is not about that, my doubt is that this guy, that has been coached by ben pak the guy of the vids I posted before:

http://youtu.be/CNsgIdWwiBk
Will a low carb diet make you lose muscle?

Thing is, he says in that and another video, that a low carb diet helps to increase cortisol and it gives you less endurance while exercising, to what I say is true because I remember a period I ate a lot of food with carbs, though I felt bad because I'm supposed to avoid them, I was able to perform better. Now that I've been avoiding them I just can't perform as before, I can't endure as much as before and that means that I can endure the recommended 45 to 60 minutes of exercise.

But, I know that when I eat carbs I have chronic depression, I have sudden and horrible change of moods, more anxiety and eventually more stress and with that cortisol of course.

Do you know anything about it? any source of information about this you can share?