Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Woodsman said:
axj said:
Woodsman said:
If Trump wins, such social engineering could instead be used to accelerate any plans toward eliminating Semitic blood lines. -If he buys into that narrative.

Woodsman, I know you're just speculating, but please try to have at least some reality in your speculations. Why would Trump "buy into" eliminating Semitic blood lines? Do you know that his own daughter married a Jewish man and converted to Judaism?

"Semite" means a great deal more than "Jew".

I assumed that was generally accepted knowledge around here, but I can understand why clarification might have been needed given the charged nature of the term.

Not really. "Eliminating Semites" includes Jews, unless you meant only Muslim Semites.

As to the above Zerohedge article that elites may want to blame an economic collapse on Trump, I was thinking that as well.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Pashalis said:
Why is nobody asking those two "candidates" what exactly they both mean by "this is not a normal election, but a special one, that will already determine/set the policy, for at least the next 4 to 8 years"?

Maybe they put it down to the usual Presidential campaign grandstanding and hyperbole. I'd be surprised if similar sentiments have not been expressed by other candidates in elections in years gone by.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Laura said:
Aeneas said:
This guy makes the case that the Elite had wanted Trump all along. Perhaps that is true or partially true as it could also be a late plan or it could show that there are power struggles within the ruling elite.
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/why-us-presidential-election-has-entire-world-confused

Pretty much what I've been saying. And notice I compared Trump to the Hitler "clown" scenario VERY early in this thread. Everybody was calling him a clown, all the conservative authorities were against him, but he won anyway and only afterward, did people learn by inference from the process of history, that Hitler was WANTED by all of them to do what he did.

Yeah, it seems clear now that Trump has been selected way back at the time of the primaries. The idea that he could have beaten establishment figures to the nomination if the US establishment did not want him to win, is highly unlikely I think. They obviously have ways and means of stopping anyone in their tracks if they choose. Trump as a Hitler figure though is more difficult to imagine for me anyway. The article above make the case that the 'elite' want him in power for when the economy tanks (or they tank it in some way) so that he takes the blame rather than them.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Joe said:
Laura said:
Aeneas said:
This guy makes the case that the Elite had wanted Trump all along. Perhaps that is true or partially true as it could also be a late plan or it could show that there are power struggles within the ruling elite.
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/why-us-presidential-election-has-entire-world-confused

Pretty much what I've been saying. And notice I compared Trump to the Hitler "clown" scenario VERY early in this thread. Everybody was calling him a clown, all the conservative authorities were against him, but he won anyway and only afterward, did people learn by inference from the process of history, that Hitler was WANTED by all of them to do what he did.

Yeah, it seems clear now that Trump has been selected way back at the time of the primaries. The idea that he could have beaten establishment figures to the nomination if the US establishment did not want him to win, is highly unlikely I think. They obviously have ways and means of stopping anyone in their tracks if they choose. Trump as a Hitler figure though is more difficult to imagine for me anyway. The article above make the case that the 'elite' want him in power for when the economy tanks (or they tank it in some way) so that he takes the blame rather than them.

I'm not sure that they want him to "take the blame" for a crash. That's a pretty simplistic idea. I think he is wanted to be the pied piper to lead everyone into slavery during/after a crash... the "strong leader who has the answers"... meanwhile, he's such an empty shell of a being that he is eminently downloadable.

From the 22 July 2000 session:

Q: (LC) Are we being currently monitored by 4th density STS?
A: You are always!

Q: (A) That's the helicopters.

A: That is more likely 3rd density. Suggest a review of the transcripts relating to the situation in Nazi Germany for better understanding here. ... We wish to review some things first. The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.

Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?

A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.

Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?

A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.

And then from the 22 July 2010 session: (just noticed the same dates except for year between the two sessions cited here.)

Q: (L) Well, yeah. We were talking about the Nephalim and their stun guns and that sort of thing. But it looks like psychopaths are the new Nephalim, and they're already using stun guns - tasers. And then we asked if they were going to try to stage a fake alien invasion. All of this disclosure business is trying to point people in the direction of alien invasions, trying to get them prepared for some kind of fake alien invasion. Then you said yes, but a real invasion might take place first or earth changes would happen. Now, it's just been pressing on my mind, becoming more and more clear, that we don't NEED an alien invasion with psychopaths ruling this world as their transdimensional agents. And it has occurred to me that when you said that way back when, that basically the invasion has already occurred! It's here, now. It's psychopaths in power!

Everybody is looking and waiting for some kind of aliens; well, aliens are a supernatural phenomenon. Yeah, there is a certain physicality to it, but it strikes me that that physicality doesn't have... what do I want to say? Endurance? It doesn't "vibrate" right in our reality. It can come and go, but it doesn't stay here. So they need agents. They've always needed agents. They've always needed human-looking beings to control, to manipulate, or to even "download into" in a funny sort of way, like a possession or an activation. It's like they're sitting at some control console in some hyperdimensional place controlling their agents the way we control remote control toys.

So anyhow, this is what I've been thinking. Everybody's waiting for something to happen, like disclosure, or after disclosure. But it's already happened. It's here NOW! Any so-called “disclosure” will be a fraud unless they come out and say that it is a supernatural or hyper-dimensional phenomenon, which they are NOT going to say because that completely counters their entire world view that worships the physical universe. That’s where the whole Darwinism, material science, exclusion of scientific study of the paranormal, and so forth, comes from. That sort of thing can NEVER be studied honestly because it would destroy their reality construct.

(Perceval) That's a great screen.

(L) Yeah, they're trying to prepare people for physical, material aliens – “Disclosure” - because they're going to TRY to pull the alien invasion trick or the "alien god" trick and they'll say, "Worship the alien god! Join behind us! We're his high priests!" But it's not going to work.

(Perceval) It's almost like that's been held in reserve if it's necessary. They've prepped people with the idea of aliens.

(L) It's like this gigantic counterintelligence program. And the main thing that I've seen them working to counter is the idea, the concept, the understanding that this phenomenon is a supernatural one. To make that clear, what we have always called supernatural, which is not necessarily "supernatural", is really just hyperdimensional. We've been aware of these things – this other reality – for millennia. They come and go. It's like the finger in Flatland. We're Flatland! Am I on to something with this?

A: About as accurate as you can get without making direct predictions.

The whole session is well worth re-reading.
 
The election is on November 8th, I guess the result will be out on November 9th or 11/9. Is this a reflection of 9/11? Numbers or not, I feel uneasy about the whole global situation.
 
thorbiorn said:
The election is on November 8th, I guess the result will be out on November 9th or 11/9. Is this a reflection of 9/11? Numbers or not, I feel uneasy about the whole global situation.

Good catch.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Laura said:
Joe said:
Yeah, it seems clear now that Trump has been selected way back at the time of the primaries. The idea that he could have beaten establishment figures to the nomination if the US establishment did not want him to win, is highly unlikely I think. They obviously have ways and means of stopping anyone in their tracks if they choose. Trump as a Hitler figure though is more difficult to imagine for me anyway. The article above make the case that the 'elite' want him in power for when the economy tanks (or they tank it in some way) so that he takes the blame rather than them.

I'm not sure that they want him to "take the blame" for a crash. That's a pretty simplistic idea. I think he is wanted to be the pied piper to lead everyone into slavery during/after a crash... the "strong leader who has the answers"... meanwhile, he's such an empty shell of a being that he is eminently downloadable.

Could be. Although there's also the angle of having a good psychological profile of someone and being fairly sure that under certain conditions, that person can be relied to act or react in a specific way, maybe with a bit of advising here and there. Trump, for example, a highly narcissistic, childish and rather naive person wont to fly into a rage when he is slighted, would be a good person to have in the White House if you want a president who will take rather rash and 'knee jerk' decisions under stress.

The point being that a 'higher level' agenda for our planet and its people is enacted by human beings who take actions for understandable, if not conscionable or rational, reasons. Our job is to understand the motivations of the elite at the top level, why they make the decisions they make, why they put certain people in positions of power and why those people make make the choices they make on the world stage because it all does follow a logical path (when your motivations are greed and power and control).

We have the framework of 4D STS and their fairly prosaic and horrific agenda as described by the Cs. How that agenda actually plays out in our world through the individuals that are selected because of their "qualities" that will service that higher agenda is what we are tasked with bringing to light.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Joe said:
Pashalis said:
Why is nobody asking those two "candidates" what exactly they both mean by "this is not a normal election, but a special one, that will already determine/set the policy, for at least the next 4 to 8 years"?

Maybe they put it down to the usual Presidential campaign grandstanding and hyperbole. I'd be surprised if similar sentiments have not been expressed by other candidates in elections in years gone by.

It was the same when Obama was first on the campaign trail, but with him it took the form of "Hope and Change". Vague language that begs for subjective substitution. I recall feeling like the "Black sheep" by asking his supporters "What, exactly, is meant by hope and change"? A majority responded with their own subjective meanings. They didn't like when I pointed this out - some even got somewhat hostile

Kris
 
It's kind of genius to think how this anti-Establishment make believe could work out.

Trump promised to put Hillary in jail. If that happens, he will have the masses in his spell to undertake any draconian law necessary to 'fight' against the 'anti-establishment'

He will be the people-champion but in order to 'save' them from 'The Elite' he has to usher in fascism. I think it is really the only condition for people to allow and justify the full police state. The usual excuses will be a bit to obvious.

But this one has a twist nobody saw coming. Those hated upon pesky Elites have influences everywhere and all those people working for them need to be round up. Trump will 'save' the US from the Elite and 'clean house' And people will cheer him on for that.

Of course, he will not only be heroically 'fighting' the supposed Elite.

In the maintime he is also rounding up Muslims, illegal immigrants, right activists etc.

But who will bat an eye. Trump is trying to save the US and 'make America great again'. And if you have that kind of 'cult of personality' going. People will ignore, make excuses or even justify his genocidal warfare he is waging all across the country.


I can imagine how this could work out.

But you have to consider the 4STS puppet show. It's without the usual 3STS factors like bribery, conflict of interest, corruption etc. Which makes it hard to notice for us 3D folks. Some people are just emtpy shells doing whatever their 4STS controllers want them to do, according to the C's they are out there.
 
bjorn said:
It's kind of genius to think how this anti-Establishment make believe could work out.

Trump promised to put Hillary in jail. If that happens, he will have the masses in his spell to undertake any draconian law necessary to 'fight' against the 'anti-establishment'

He will be the people-champion but in order to 'save' them from 'The Elite' he has to usher in fascism. I think it is really the only condition for people to allow and justify the full police state. The usual excuses will be a bit to obvious.

But this one has a twist nobody saw coming. Those hated upon pesky Elites have influences everywhere and all those people working for them need to be round up. Trump will 'save' the US from the Elite and 'clean house' And people will cheer him on for that.

Of course, he will not only be heroically 'fighting' the supposed Elite.

In the maintime he is also rounding up Muslims, illegal immigrants, right activists etc.

But who will bat an eye. Trump is trying to save the US and 'make America great again'. And if you have that kind of 'cult of personality' going. People will ignore, make excuses or even justify his genocidal warfare he is waging all across the country.

That's a good possibility. I've always said that when an individual betrays his own kind, sells them out for evil intentions, the ones he sells out to don't trust him either. So 4D STS may have such an attitude and may wish to get rid of their former minions and engage a new batch.
 
Re: Presidential election 2016: Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

Laura said:
I think he is wanted to be the pied piper to lead everyone into slavery during/after a crash... the "strong leader who has the answers"... meanwhile, he's such an empty shell of a being that he is eminently downloadable.

That's the scariest thing about him, IMO. He doesn't even need to be a psychopath. In fact, it might be better for "them" if he isn't, since he can be even more malleable being so "emotional"?

The current "leaks", and the comparison of Trump to Hitler reminded me things of a few quotes from Sebastian Haffner, which Laura shared in this article:

Indeed, only a few weeks after the atrocities began, a law was passed that forbade anyone, under pain of severe penalties, to claim, even in the privacy of their own home, that atrocities were taking place.

Of course, it was not the intention to keep the atrocities secret. In that case they would not have served their purpose, which was to induce general fear, alarm and submission. On the the contrary, the purpose was to intensify the terror by cloaking it in secrecy and making even talking about it dangerous. An open declaration of what was happening in SA cellars and concentration camps in a public speech or in the press - might still have led to desperate resistance, even in Germany. The secret whispered rumours, 'Be careful, my friend! Do you know what happened to X?' were much more effective in breaking people's backbones. [...]

People began to join in - at first mostly from fear. After they had participated, they no longer wanted to do so just from fear. That would have been mean and contemptible. So the necessary ideology was supplied. That was the spiritual basis of the victory of the National Socialist revolution.

True, something further was necessary to achieve all this. That was the cowardly treachery of all party and organisational leaders, to whom the 56 per cent of the population who had voted against the Nazis on the 5th of March had entrusted themselves. This terrible and decisive event was not much noticed by the outside world. Naturally, the Nazis had no interest in drawing attention to it, since it would considerably devalue their 'victory', and as for the traitors themselves: well, of course, they did not want attention drawn to it. Nevertheless, it is finally only this betrayal that explains the almost inexplicable fact that a great nation, which cannot have consisted entirely of cowards, fell into ignominy without a fight.

The betrayal was complete, extending from Left to Right.[...]

The great middle-class, Catholic party, Zentrum, which in the last few years had attracted the backing of more and more middle-class Protestants, had already fallen in March. It was this party that supplied the votes necessary for the two-thirds majority that 'legalised' Hitler's dictatorship. In this it followed its leader, the ex-Reichschancellor Bruning. [...]


Finally, the German nationalists, the right-wing conservatives, who venerated 'honour' and 'heroism' as the central characteristics of their programme. Oh God, what an infinitely dishonourable and cowardly spectacle their leaders made in 1933 and continued to make afterwards! One might at least have expected that, once their claim in January proved illusory - that they had 'tamed' the Nazis and 'rendered them harmless' - they would act as a 'brake' and 'prevent the worst'. Not a bit of it. They went along with everything: the terror, the persecution of the Jews, the persecution of Christians. They were not even bothered when their own party was prohibited and their own members arrested. [...]

There was not one single example of energetic defence, of courage or principle. There was only panic, flight, and desertion. In March 1933 millions were ready to fight the Nazis. Overnight they found themselves without leaders. [...]


This terrible moral bankruptcy of the opposition leadership is a fundamental characteristic of the March 'revolution' of 1933. It made the Nazi victory exceedingly easy. On the other hand, it also sheds doubt on the strength and durability of that victory. The swastika has not been stamped on the Germans as though they were a firm, resistant but malleable mass, but as though they were a formless, yielding pulp that can equally easily take a different form. Admittedly, March 1933 has left open the question as to whether it is worth the effort to try and reshape it. The moral inadequacy of the German character shown in that month is too monstrous to suppose that history will not one day call them to account for it. [...]

It was out of this treachery of its opponents, and the feeling of helplessness, weakness and disgust that it aroused, that the Third Reich was born. In the elections of the 5th of March the Nazis had remained a minority. If there had been elections three weeks later, the German people would almost certainly have given them a true majority. This was not just a result of the terror, or intoxication... The decisive cause was anger and disgust with the cowardly treachery of their own leadership. That had become for a moment stronger than the rage and hate against the real enemy. [...]

Hundreds of thousands, who had up till then been opponents, joined the Nazi Party in March 1933. The Nazis called them the 'casualties of March' and treated them with suspicion and contempt. The workers also left their Social Democratic and Communist unions in equally large numbers and joined Nazi Betriebszellen (factory cells) or the SA. They did it for many reasons, often for a whole tangled web of them; but however hard one looks, one will not find a single solid, positive, durable reason among them - not one that can pass muster.

In each individual case the process of becoming a Nazi showed the unmistakable symptoms of nervous collapse.

The simplest and, if you looked deeper, nearly always the most basic reason was fear. Join the thugs to avoid being beaten up.

Less clear was a kind of exhilaration, the intoxication of unity, the magnetism of the masses. Many also felt a need for revenge against those who had abandoned them. Then there was a peculiarly German line of thought: 'All the predictions of the opponents of the Nazis have not come true. They said the Nazis could not win. Now they have won. Therefore the opponents were wrong. So the Nazis must be right.'

There was also (particularly among intellectuals) the belief that they could change the face of the Nazi Party by becoming a member, even now shift its direction. Then of course many just jumped on the bandwagon, wanted to be part of a perceived success.

Finally, among the more primitive, inarticulate, simpler souls there was a process that might have taken place in mythical times when a beaten tribe abandoned its faithless god and accepted the god of the victorious tribe as its patron. Saint Marx, in whom one had always believed, had not helped. Saint Hitler was obviously more powerful. So let's destroy the images of Saint Marx on the altars and replace them with images of Saint Hitler. Let us learn to pray: 'It is the Jews' fault' rather than 'It is the capitalists' fault'. Perhaps that will redeem us.

The sequence of events is, as you see, not so unnatural. It is wholly within the normal range of psychology, and it helps to explain the almost inexplicable.

The only thing that is missing is what in animals is called 'breeding'. This is a solid inner kernel that cannot be shaken by external pressures and forces, something noble and steely, a reserve of pride, principle and dignity to be drawn on in the hour of trial. It is missing in the Germans. As a nation they are soft, unreliable and without backbone. That was shown in March 1933. At the moment of truth, when other nations rise spontaneously to the occasion, the Germans collectively and limply collapsed. They yielded and capitulated, and suffered a nervous breakdown.

The result of this million-fold nervous breakdown is the unified nation, ready for anything, that is today the nightmare of the rest of the world. (Sebastian Haffner, Defying Hitler, excerpts)

If any of this relates to the future that awaits the US and the rest of the world, well, it ain't looking good...
 
[quote author= Laura]That's a good possibility. I've always said that when an individual betrays his own kind, sells them out for evil intentions, the ones he sells out to don't trust him either. So 4D STS may have such an attitude and may wish to get rid of their former minions and engage a new batch. [/quote]

Yes, and also considering that their former minions are kind of massively hated upon by the people. Hillary for them serves a better purpose being publically put in jail than in office. And it won't just have to stop with Hillary of course. This may be the US color revolution they are after. And a perfect way to usher in open American fascism.
 
RflctnOfU said:
Joe said:
Pashalis said:
Why is nobody asking those two "candidates" what exactly they both mean by "this is not a normal election, but a special one, that will already determine/set the policy, for at least the next 4 to 8 years"?

Maybe they put it down to the usual Presidential campaign grandstanding and hyperbole. I'd be surprised if similar sentiments have not been expressed by other candidates in elections in years gone by.

It was the same when Obama was first on the campaign trail, but with him it took the form of "Hope and Change". Vague language that begs for subjective substitution. I recall feeling like the "Black sheep" by asking his supporters "What, exactly, is meant by hope and change"? A majority responded with their own subjective meanings. They didn't like when I pointed this out - some even got somewhat hostile

Kris

My point is that what both are stating is very similar, as if written by the same guys in the backround, and that the actual content is very specifically and openly against the currently excepted "democratic rules", that say that a president and his administration (and thus the policy of that administration) ends after 4 years, at which point new (s)elections happen, to elect a new "president" and his administration (policy) into power. That is the official rule of the game and they are clearly stating, both in similar language, that it is already certain at this point that this policy (or president)will hold up well over that 4 year period. Yes we know that only the front man changes in the US every 4 years, but for both candidates to state so openly that this will not be the case this time, is something I think we have not seen before.

Those are not vague statement like the one from Obama that he will bring "hope and change". They are very specific and against the officially excepted rules of the game. Both statements are very clearly against the accepted "democratic rule". I don't remember to have heard that kind of open declaration of something that is so clearly and obviously against the widely excepted "democratic rules" in the US in past potus elections.

If it were only Killary that said this, I could have put it down more easily as just one of her megalomaniac personal dreams expressed there, but the fact that both speak about it in similar language, suggest to me that this info comes from the script writers in the back (or from abobe), for whatever reason.
 
I was reading about her possible death _http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/09/28/politics/bedridden,-sick-hillary-clinton-sends-body-double-to-debate-donald-trump/2014.html, and debunking_http://www.snopes.com/clinton-reported-dead-replaced/ , but photos made me suspicious...
and "knowing that she might be already death" the PTB do not have much room to maniobrate and have to use the one that is already there and, is better understandable the sharp turning point ...

perhaps you have other images? to compare? ... Killary photo from 26th of September 2016 looks remarkable young!! it looks much similar to the one coming out from pneumonìa than the others... _http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/the-power-of-hillary-clintons-throwback-photos/?_r=0
 
I remember what Laura wrote in december last year:

Once you have gone over that line, you are far more likely to experience death and destruction within your own home and family than you ever would be without giving up your liberties to a gang of power-mad psychopaths with a Jones for world domination.

Nothing new, since it is discussed extensively here, but have you noticed how totally raving mad Alex Jones and his large following have become in supporting Trump? His mask is dropping so fast and terrifyingly that theoretically anything is possible when he gives a command to his large audience. Many of them follow him like a god.

I wonder what kind of role Alex and the like will play after the election. I mean, they already blustering themself up like some sort of "gestapo" for Trump.
 
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