Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

This was quite unexpected,

my first thought for some reason was that Clinton must have capitulated somehow. Perhaps the message was sent in clear when the FBI announced the re opening of the investigation. And maybe she read it and started to negotiate. And at some point whatever they wanted her to change or give up must have been conceded by her, and once this was achieved, there was no reason to follow through with the investigation. It can all go away, shred it all, case closed. But I could be wrong, it was just a feeling.

It could always be an illusion presented to make people believe that the institutions (the FBI in this case) are still funcional in the state and work independently from the establishment. Just to perpetuate the illusion of the us government, the checks and balances and whatnot.
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Alejo said:
This was quite unexpected,

my first thought for some reason was that Clinton must have capitulated somehow. Perhaps the message was sent in clear when the FBI announced the re opening of the investigation. And maybe she read it and started to negotiate. And at some point whatever they wanted her to change or give up must have been conceded by her, and once this was achieved, there was no reason to follow through with the investigation. It can all go away, shred it all, case closed. But I could be wrong, it was just a feeling.

It could always be an illusion presented to make people believe that the institutions (the FBI in this case) are still funcional in the state and work independently from the establishment. Just to perpetuate the illusion of the us government, the checks and balances and whatnot.

I had a similar feeling. My first blink was that it's another manifestation of infighting among the 'reality creators'.

Another thing that crossed my mind is that maybe there was some sort of (minor) timeline shift? Fwiw, I felt a funny (positive) energy yesterday, quite intense emotions, a sense of connection to the cosmos. Both my wife and I felt this, there was a good energy, and we got quite some things done. At the same time though, my wife felt ill, and me too later during the day, like early symptoms of getting a cold. We both shivered during the day, yet after going to bed felt a lot of heat and couldn't fall asleep easily. Just an observation.
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

luc said:
Alejo said:
This was quite unexpected,

my first thought for some reason was that Clinton must have capitulated somehow. Perhaps the message was sent in clear when the FBI announced the re opening of the investigation. And maybe she read it and started to negotiate. And at some point whatever they wanted her to change or give up must have been conceded by her, and once this was achieved, there was no reason to follow through with the investigation. It can all go away, shred it all, case closed. But I could be wrong, it was just a feeling.

It could always be an illusion presented to make people believe that the institutions (the FBI in this case) are still funcional in the state and work independently from the establishment. Just to perpetuate the illusion of the us government, the checks and balances and whatnot.

I had a similar feeling. My first blink was that it's another manifestation of infighting among the 'reality creators'.

Another thing that crossed my mind is that maybe there was some sort of (minor) timeline shift? Fwiw, I felt a funny (positive) energy yesterday, quite intense emotions, a sense of connection to the cosmos. Both my wife and I felt this, there was a good energy, and we got quite some things done. At the same time though, my wife felt ill, and me too later during the day, like early symptoms of getting a cold. We both shivered during the day, yet after going to bed felt a lot of heat and couldn't fall asleep easily. Just an observation.
Ive really felt gutted after hearing there's been no charges against Clinton. I know it's wishful thinking on my part that justice would be brought against her for what she's done. For some reason I've identified myself and my energy with seeing her been brought down. Since I heard the news I've felt quite depressed. I'm sure the shows not over yet. I can't help but think things will get worse very quickly over the coming months whatever happens in the election.
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Beorn said:
Maybe that was the plan all along. Appear to be concerned about truth and justice and give the impression that Hillary has to follow the same rules as everyone else. Then a few days later come out and say "It's all Ok. We checked it out and there's nothing to see here." Hillary gets some sympathy and those who have used WikiLeaks to condemn Hillary are discredited.

With the election so close they had to speed through the "investigation". From what I'm hearing on the MSM today they're buying it, as expected.

On the other side those who do want the truth to come out are given false hope and then betrayed. Comey's revealed his hand so maybe the powers that be are sticking with Killary for pres.

I think that in campaign it is common to wait the last days to "shoot" the dirtier and most shocking info about opponet. This have an impact in mind of voters that keep fresh in the moment of vote. Of course both candidates have a hard core of voters that will not change, but for the undecided this common operation can be very effective. So IMO this is not a plan for all along and its intention do not seems to be to makeup FBI to make them look like truer and/or independents. Instead I think it is possible that we are witnessing the fight for power between forces some levels below from PTB. In any case I think that it is very likely that PTB, despite they may have now a favorite candidate, they sure have a plan no matter who wins the election.
 
Re: Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

Very insightful discussion so far, it's difficult for me to make much sense of what really is going on with the whole Killary vs Trump thing, and reading all of your comments helps me to see it from different points of view. Listening to the radio show on the election yesterday was also helpful, I agree that not voting at all is probably the best thing to do.

One thing I noticed about Hillary is that after her first debate she was a guest at the Ellen show, and Ellen appears to support her. Then on her birthday she went to Adele's concert, and she supports her as well. Then of course she meets up with several other celebrities who are all pro-Hillary. She plays the "female" card a lot. And these people have a huge fan base, and most of them are quite active on social media. Yet, when you compare Hillary's and Trump's twitter and fb account, you see that Trump has 3 million more followers. As I see it, the majority still supports Trump.

If Hillary becomes President, I don't think she will be reliable to act as a figure to inspire the American people and to make them think everything is a-ok, when she has dementia and her health is deteriorating fast.

Compared to Hillary, at least Trump doesn't have blood on his hands. But I agree that the possibility that Trump could turn out to be a Hitler or increase fascism as Laura, bjorn, and others mentioned, is scary.

I had a look at his vision on immigration, and yeah it makes sense that he wants to be careful about who gets in the country. But the process of 'extreme vetting' is quite silly if you ask me, and I don't think it will prevent potential crazies from entering the country. The question is how far he will go with implementing these measures to "make America safer". It was mentioned on an earlier radio show that the building of the wall is probably not going to happen, as the whole idea makes little sense and not very realistic and that Trump probably mentioned it to gain more supporters. But maybe he will find other ways to keep Mexicans (and Muslims) out or contained or monitored.

Of course, Hillary pretends she's pro-immigration, but I read this article the other day which was interesting: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Latino Vote

It will be interesting to see how things will go, but I'm not very hopeful for what is to come :/ This gives me hope at least!:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic said:
Q: (L) So even the PTB are running their operations based on wishful thinking; they think that they're setting things up to create their global empire, and they don't even know that earth changes or serious climate changes are going to happen that will knock their global empire off its foundation. Is that it?

A: Yes
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Alada said:
I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!

That's a good point.

I remember reading last night how there was a group of armed militias within the US that was ready to take arms against the government should Hilary win the presidency.

So perhaps it could be a way to ensure people actually vote and get more than the tiny perfeptage of the population involved.
 
Re: Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

Oxajil said:
As I see it, the majority still supports Trump.

And let's not forget that, on average, somewhere between 60% and 70% of adult Americans do not vote at all in Presidential elections. Of course, that fact is rarely mentioned because it doesn't look very good for fabled American democracy.
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Alejo said:
I remember reading last night how there was a group of armed militias within the US that was ready to take arms against the government should Hilary win the presidency.

The way I see it, this only enraged those that perceive Washington as being corrupt to the point of having to either "drain the sewage" or to take matters into their own hands. Comey's fake investigation and rushed conclusions were messy, to say the least.
 
Re: Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

Joe said:
Oxajil said:
As I see it, the majority still supports Trump.

And let's not forget that, on average, somewhere between 60% and 70% of adult Americans do not vote at all in Presidential elections. Of course, that fact is rarely mentioned because it doesn't look very good for fabled American democracy.

Yeah, good point. It's a big difference compared to the latest Syrian (or Russian) Presidential election, where the turnout was around 70% (an actual democracy!).
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails


Trump is endorsed by the NYPD and Giuliani, dunno if all police forces support Trump though.
I had that feeling when I heard about the reopening of the investigation.
Maybe it was just a last minute tactic to create more voters for Trump.
No matter 3 days later they drop the whole thing:
"We finished combing through 650 000 e-mails, nothing to see folks..."
;)
:pinocchio:
Banana Republic!
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Here's Pepe Escobar's take via his 'source':

THE FBI FOLDS - UPDATING THE UPDATE
Well, my NY source, who knows a thing or two about the Deep State, came up with a quite cryptic answer to all my questions (see previous post):
"I would not say the FBI revolt took place. Comey was ordered to do what he did before and he was ordered to do what he did after. The orders were just reversed and it is as a marionette with a ventriloquist. No one steps out of bounds."
BUT he also said: "We think Trump will win and they are making everyone think that this is democracy in action."
For emphasis, he referred to the USC/LA Times poll, here...
http://cesrusc.org/election/
...which has Trump ahead by 5 points.
Here is a defense of the poll, which tracks the POPULAR vote:
http://www.latimes.com/…/la-oe-schnur-latimes-usc-poll-prob…
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Even if Comey is a puppet just following orders, it is unlikely that there was "no revolt at all in the FBI". And perhaps a bit of a warning message was sent for those who are not towing the line?

FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide
http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/
 
Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

Lilou said:
Even if Comey is a puppet just following orders, it is unlikely that there was "no revolt at all in the FBI". And perhaps a bit of a warning message was sent for those who are not towing the line?

FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide
http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

Oh my... and the plot thickens.

It’s all surreal like a bad movie. I must admit I can’t wait to see what happens next.
 
Keep this excellent article by Jon Rapport in mind tomorrow when the sewer pipe MSM starts spewing "early exit polls" about psycho-bitch's "lead"....( even though it really doesn't matter to me...the truth is, America is like a blind drunk walking on a tight rope and all the people...[the deluded 40% who still believe voting matters, anyway]...are fighting with each other over which side of the rope he'll fall off of....with NO thought of gravity or up-and-coming sudden stop.)


Election fraud: beware of early network projections next Tuesday
Nov 2

by Jon Rappoport

Election fraud: beware of early network projections next Tuesday

by Jon Rappoport

November 2, 2016

Bev Harris’ revelations about election fraud are exploding across the Web. At blackboxvoting.org, she has exposed GEMS, a vote-tabulating system used in 25% of the US vote. Intentional back doors are installed in GEMS, allowing manipulation on a massive scale.

But keep in mind that major news networks always make their projections of the winners on election night. This is another vector for gross fraud. The projections are estimates. But once they are announced, the game is over in most cases. In other words, declaring the winner is a media event, owned and operated by the networks. (See also here and here)

How are these projections put together?

Here is a compilation, slightly revised, of the most-read articles I’ve ever written. They were about the California vote on Prop 37, which tried and failed to mandate GMO labeling on food. The articles explain a great deal about early projections:

November 8, 2012: “Did Prop 37 Really Lose Or Was It Vote Fraud?”

Hold your horses.

On election night, not long after the polls closed in California, the media announcement came: Prop 37 was losing. A little while later, it was all over. Projection: 37 had gone down to defeat.

But is that the whole story? No.

As of 2:30PM today, Thursday, November 8th, two days after the election, many votes in California remain uncounted.

I tried to find out how many.

It turns out that the Secretary of State of CA, responsible for elections in the state, doesn’t know.

I was told all counties in California have been asked, not ordered, to report in with those figures. It’s voluntary.

So I picked out a few of the biggest counties and called their voter registrar offices. Here are the boggling results:

* Santa Clara County: 180,000 votes remain uncounted.

* Orange County: 241,336 votes remain uncounted.

* San Diego County: 475,000 votes remain uncounted.

* LA County: 782,658 votes remain uncounted.

In just those four counties, 1.6 million votes remain uncounted.

The California Secretary of State’s website indicates that Prop 37 is behind by 559,776 votes.

So in the four counties I looked into, there are roughly three times as many uncounted votes as the margin of Prop 37’s defeat.

And as I say, I checked the numbers in only four counties. There are 54 other counties in the state. Who knows how many votes they still need to process?

So why is anyone saying Prop 37 lost?

People will respond, “Well, it’s all about projections. There are experts. They know what they’re doing. They made a prediction…”

Really? Who are those experts?

For big elections, the television networks often rely on a consortium called the National Election Pool (NEP). NEP does projections and predictions. Did NEP make the premature call on Prop 37?

NEP makes some calls for the television networks, but NEP is composed of CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, and AP. It could hardly be called an independent source of information for those networks.

NEP has AP (Associated Press) do the actual vote tabulating, and NEP also contracts work out to Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International to do exit polls and projections based on those polls.

Edison Media Research did the exit polls in the state of Washington for this Election Day. How? They surveyed 1493 people by phone. Based on that, I assume they made all the projections for elections in that state, even though there is no in-person voting in Washington, and voters can submit their ballots by mail, postmarked no later than Election Tuesday. So how could Edison know anything worth knowing or projecting about mail-in ballots on election night?

Both Edison Research and Mitofsky were involved in the 2004 election scandal (Kerry-Bush), in which their exit polls confounded network news anchors, because the poll results were so far off from the incoming vote-counts. Edison/Mitofsky are favorite go-to people at CNN.

So if NEP did the premature Prop 37 projections that handed Prop 37 a resounding loss, there is little reason to accept their word.

We’re faced with a scandal here. An early unwarranted projection against Prop 37 was made, when so many votes were still uncounted.

Those votes are still uncounted.

Why should we believe anything that comes next?

—end article—

Then, a month later, on December 10, 2012, I wrote this:

Food Democracy Now is weighing in on Prop 37 vote fraud, having discovered that the California Secretary of State, in charge of all elections in CA, has stopped posting updates on the ongoing vote count.

From November 6 all the way to up to December 4, these updates were posted daily on the Secretary of State’s website. Then…blackout. No more updates.

Maybe it has something to do with this: On December 4, YES ON 37 votes climbed over the six-million mark: 6,004,628. Food Democracy Now reported it. Then, suddenly, the YES ON 37 votes reversed!

That’s right. They went back to the previously reported number: 5,986,652.

This is apparently a new wrinkle in vote counting. You can not only add votes, you can go backwards. You can lose 18,000 votes with the flick of a wrist or the blink of a digital operation.

Now you see 18,000 Yes votes, now you don’t.

The latest Food Democracy Now article on vote fraud mentions a team of independent statisticians, who have found “statistical anomalies” in the largest voting precincts of nine CA counties, including LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Alameda, and Orange.

Also worth noting: I previously wrote about the Secretary of State’s “top-to-bottom” review (2007) of all electronic voting systems then in use in CA. This review discovered fatal flaws in all four systems…but then three of those systems were re-approved for use, after being disqualified. I see no clear evidence that the flaws were fixed.

The top-down review mentioned that Alameda County (one of the counties the team of statisticians is now studying for fraud) had purchased voting machines that turned out to be counterfeits. They had been advertised as legitimate, but they weren’t.

I’m told the Yes on 37 campaign is alert to Food Democracy Now’s charges of fraud, and they are considering a petition for a recount. We’ll see.

Of course, no recount will expose electronic fraud unless very talented experts can examine the full range of electronic systems now in use in CA.

—end of December 2012 article—

Finally, late in 2012, I wrote this:

I tracked the early media projection against Prop 37, on election night, to its most probable source, the Associated Press (AP).

AP, the giant wire service, is officially a non-profit owned by 1400 member newspapers, who use its services and also contribute articles. So AP is major media personified. Again, hardly a trusted source.

And as everyone knows, the newspaper business in America is dying. Its bottom line is sitting in a lake of red ink, and the lake is sitting in an ocean of red ink.

That means these newspapers, and the corporations who own them, have been re-financing their very existence with loans, and loans to pay off earlier loans. That means banks.

Now you’re getting into the oligarchy that owns this country, and what that oligarchy wants; what they want to win, and who they want to win…

—end of Prop 37 articles—

Back to the present, 2016. You see how this works. Media organizations are relying on other media organizations, to which they’re intimately connected, to make the early projections on election night. It’s all a shell game, created to give the impression that “independent organizations” are “objectively” analyzing the early vote returns and coming up with “scientific projections.”

Beware.

One media hand is washing the other media hand, and both hands belong to the same body.

Don’t accept projections.

Jon Rappoport
 

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