Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

[bjorb]

[quote author= Joe]And let's not forget that, on average, somewhere between 60% and 70% of adult Americans do not vote at all in Presidential elections. Of course, that fact is rarely mentioned because it doesn't look very good for fabled American democracy.[/quote]

I can imagine 60%-70% don't vote because they understand that the system does not represent them?

That's positive but it's also a huge amount of people you can get dangerously drunk on 'revolution'. They might not give their support to Trump right now, but they could if he goes full throttle against the Establishment.

[quote author= 14 March,2015](Perceval) Is it likely that this kind of social chaos as a result of the economic collapse or whatever would be predominantly in the USA?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The US is a powder keg. It just needs the right spark.

(Perceval) It's got all the right ingredients right now. You've got so many people in big cities dependent on supermarkets and stuff. And then you have the police state well-trained to deal with uprisings. In other countries, they don't have quite so well-organized police state to put down social unrest.

(Andromeda) And the people aren't quite as helpless either, at least in areas like this one.

(Perceval) In urban centers in the US, there are a lot of people who are just completely dependent on supermarkets and the system in general from one day to the next.

A: Notice that the USA is exhibiting all the symptoms of a "Color Revolution".[/quote]

And you can't have a 'color revolution' without cutting of some of the hydra heads. What if 'The Elite' are going to be sacrificed to usher in a revival of a whole new set of evil.

I don't know, like Oxajil said it's difficult to make sense of what is really going on with the whole Killary vs Trump thing.

And maybe it's just one big mess for the PTB. But it certainly feels like something incredible evil is brewing.

 

[Renaissance]

Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!

This is pretty similar to what I've been thinking as well. If the deep state want Trump in, then they may very well be positioning institutions in ways that will 'reveal' corruption so as to vector the anger and frustrations of Americans and guide them towards the 'anti-establishment' candidate.

 

[meta-agnostic]

FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide
_http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

DG Staff, November 5, 2016

Walkerville, MD – An FBI agent believed to be responsible for the latest email leaks “pertinent to the investigation” into Hillary Clinton’s private email server while she was Secretary of State, was found dead in an apparent murder-suicide early Saturday morning, according to police.
<snip>

Even if Comey is a puppet just following orders, it is unlikely that there was "no revolt at all in the FBI". And perhaps a bit of a warning message was sent for those who are not towing the line?

FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide
_http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

This is being reported as a hoax, and the Denver Guardian is apparently a fake news site. If you go to their "about" section it says they are experiencing technical difficulties while they migrate their content.
_http://www.snopes.com/fbi-agent-murder-suicide/
(I know. Snopes, right? But it at least has a reputation.)

Unfortunately I mentioned this to a family member in passing after reading it last night, then was asked to provide a link which I did, then she looked it up as being a hoax, all while every bit of this alternative stuff I bring up to her gets preemptively dismissed as "conspiracy theories" or coming from conspiracy theory websites. Lessons all around.

 

[Lilou]

I did wonder who the denver guardian was, but didn't look into it. Good choice of name, it kinda sounds legit! Thanks for finding that meta-agnostic. We are neck deep in lies, and the circus continues!!!

 

[meta-agnostic]

Yes, as we enter this home stretch, all bets are off with anything. Double or triple-reverse psychology disinfo coming from all angles trying to sway things one way or the other, or just make us go nuts!

 

[anothermagyar]

Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!

This is pretty similar to what I've been thinking as well. If the deep state want Trump in, then they may very well be positioning institutions in ways that will 'reveal' corruption so as to vector the anger and frustrations of Americans and guide them towards the 'anti-establishment' candidate.

I think that's their game: playing both sides and than watch this loony reality show, it was a while ago Trump was endorsed by Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani.
So no matter who wins, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

 

[Cosmos]

Another thing I find most interesting and I think the PTB very likely have misscalculated big time, in how it can backfire, is the fact that large numbers of people in the US are now literally forced to look up "alternative" media, instead of the MSN news, since the mass medias so obviously lie and mislead the public in regards to Killary. Trump tells his people "the game is rigged" and the "media is rigged", so they are forced to see and look for "the truth" in the alternative media and he even mentions some of them.

What was for decades just "conspiracy stuff" on "strange sites", is now openly promoted and looked up, by people who always thought the media tells the truth. I think this move will backfire tremendously for the PTB, since they essentially give credence to "the alternative" in general, even though they tried so hard for years to ridicule it.

By that, quite a number of those people will eventually stumble on other alternative media, that are really alternative and question much more. RT for example. The PTB discredit their most valuable asset, for their psychopathic goals: the mass media.

They are royally shooting themselves into the foot right now and I like it.

I think a big part of the reason why the PTB are going totally nuts now, in their wishful thinking, are the moves of russia in crimea/syria and everything else that followed it (and of course none linear stuff in other areas). Now they are literally going bonkers and make mistake after mistake and try to hush it up by damage control, on alost every step.

It doesn't work though, the empire is falling, and that quickly.

 

[NormaRegula]

A conservative acquaintance of mine sent me this link to a short piece by Mark Stein - a conservative humorist-writer: _http://www.steynonline.com/7590/sanctity-and-dispossession

The reason I found it interesting was it had some cynical humor regarding Killary, Comey and Obama, plus some takes on why a lot of people are voting for Trump. Some of the quotes are as follows:

Regarding the re-opening and closing of the Clinton emails: "I suppose if you've run one sham investigation there's no harm in running a second."

On Killary's maid photocopying classified documents: "Well, you can't expect Hillary to stroll to the photocopier herself, can you? Mrs Clinton regrets she's unable to print today, madam:

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton routinely asked her maid to print out sensitive government e-mails and documents — including ones containing classified information — from her house in Washington, DC, e-mails and FBI memos show. But the housekeeper lacked the security clearance to handle such material.

As usual, America's money-no-object federal bureaucracy went to the trouble of installing in Mrs Clinton's home a SCIF ("Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility") that only those with top security clearances are meant to be able to access - and then Hillary let her Filipina maid have the run of it. These materials are so sensitive that, even when they're coughed up to these inquiries and investigations, they're heavily redacted: You can't see them but Marina Santos sees everything: She's J Edgar with a Hoover. On Her Majesty's Secret Servant. For Your And Your Servants' Eyes Only. Hillary erased the distinction between the intelligence service, the diplomatic service and domestic service - because to her they're all servants, and who can tell the difference?"

A cynical Trump voter's take: "What's the worst thing that can happen? He doesn't do what he says he going to do? I've seen that for the last thirty years."

He also links to a video of Obama encouraging an illegal immigrant to vote even though this is against the law which a POTUS is supposed to uphold. No surprise there as Obama probably meant for them to vote Democrat and there will be no repercussions, which only feeds the fire of the right who are angry about such things. Stronger together indeed. If this ain't a recipe for civil war if Hillary wins I don't know what is. Guess it could go both ways.

 

[luc]

Another thing I find most interesting and I think the PTB very likely have misscalculated big time, in how it can backfire, is the fact that large numbers of people in the US are now literally forced to look up "alternative" media, instead of the MSN news, since the mass medias so obviously lie and mislead the public in regards to Killary. Trump tells his people "the game is rigged" and the "media is rigged", so they are forced to see and look for "the truth" in the alternative media and he even mentions some of them.

Interesting, I thought for quite a while about what the role of RT in particular is in all this. Yes, in their wishful thinking the PTB push people towards alternative media it seems, but let's not forget that they created a whole bunch of them themselves, like all the disinfo sites, Alex Jones, right-wing nutters, 'controlled left', looney conspiracy sites etc.

But now we have RT, which does a remarkable job 'keeping the narrative straight' so to say: they are close enough to the MSM in their presentation, topics etc., yet they present a completely different picture. And they force people to think about real life stuff - no 'out there' conspiracy theories, new age nonsense, right-wing lunacy, leftist 'friends of Israel' etc.

So that may be another big miscalculation - they have real, capable opposition in the media sphere now that they don't control, which even attracts more and more 'semi-mainstream' figures who start raising their voices and have a trustworthy platform. RT might have even inspired the creation of other sane alternative sites, while at the same time promoting them and giving them credibility.

Speculating a bit here - given that Sott was really a trail-blazer when it comes to sane alternative media, maybe on some energetic level, it even blazed the trail for something like RT to enter the stage? Also, I can't help but think RT is part of the 'help' that according to the Cs was/is 'on the way'...

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Back in.. 1994 ish the C's mentioned a big scandal regarding the Denver Airport and that it will "reveal the government". What's happening now reminds me of what was depicted in those Denver Airport murals. Except it's finally leaking out into the public in a major way - I've never seen so many people so fed up with the corruption as I do now. I've never seen presidential candidates more universally despised. It seems like the GW Bush caused the first wave of faith erosion with the establishment, Obama caused the 2nd, and Hillary+Trump caused the 3rd wave, possibly the biggest one of all, and they aren't even elected yet!

If Hillary gets chosen, the absolutely huge section of the country who think she's a despicable corrupt psychopath won't just disappear. Will they just shrug and carry on? I mean it's one thing to dislike a president's policies, it's another when you know she's lying, breaking laws, bending over for big money - the revolutionary fervor is in the air. I wonder how many more "scandals" or blatant corruption and leaks the people will tolerate?

If Trump gets chosen, a huge part of the country will also lose their minds. The fact that one of them is gonna be "it" is unacceptable for many people, not just politically, but on principle. Will the country just shrug and go back to business as usual after the election? Have we been transmarginally inhibited that far?

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Pashalis]It doesn't work though, the empire is falling, and that quickly. [/quote]

Before Empire's fall, they show their true ugly face. What if the Empire is getting reincarnated through 'color revolution'. American fascism has lots of potential to chance the geopolitical rules.

When Hysteria and hate will rule the American psyche. it will make control and wars so much easier. Wars of the past had hundreds of thousands of American causalities. I bet they want that 'acceptance level' back. Wars by proxies ain't having what it takes anymore. But if public opinion allows for millions of booths on the ground it will rewrite the geopolitical rules. Wars they couldn't undertake before could become reality.

Since their proxies are losing in Syria and Yemen. How about cutting of their support by attacking Iran. Israel is also hell bent on the destruction of Iran. And Saudi Arabia will gladly help out.

For things to swift in their favor, they need to rewrite the rules. American fascism could be their answer. It gives them the ability to undertake global control more swifty and directly.

Also, if they aren't afraid to use nukes for false flags like mentioned by the C's. I bet they are also willing to launch tactical nukes in response against enemies without such capabilities.


The C's told us that the World will hate the US just like Nazi Germany was. We ain't their yet, but the reincarnation of the Fourth Reich will do just that.

The C's said that The USA is already on a point of no return and that the ‘X factor' will ultimately stop the Empire. Meaning Earth chances. Just shows how bad things are still to become.



[quote author= luc]Interesting, I thought for quite a while about what the role of RT in particular is in all this. Yes, in their wishful thinking the PTB push people towards alternative media it seems, but let's not forget that they created a whole bunch of them themselves, like all the disinfo sites, Alex Jones, right-wing nutters, 'controlled left', looney conspiracy sites etc.[/quote]

Yes, and they have a strong following. More so than the ''rational conspiracy movement'' The only 'revolution' I see occurring is an 'extreme right' revolution.

 

[Windmill knight]

Re: FBI director: No charges after new review of Hillary Clinton emails

I wonder if in a strange way the timing can actually work in Trump’s favor? The damage to Killary is already done and his problem was getting folk to actually turn up and vote. This might be just the kind of motivation needed for folk who were angry with Killary before but probably wouldn’t bother to vote, well, now their really pissed at the lack of action vs the mountain of evidence, and will be damn sure that 'she can’t get away with it’ by their going out and voting for Trump. It’s SO blatant that it backs up Trumps "the system is rigged" cries.

The whole thing is so crazy though it seems impossible to really predict what the plan is! In terms of "reality creators", as things reach a nexus point on many levels then perhaps for those of a more "crypto-geographic" influence it becomes trickier to steer things along a desired path, too many variables as the possible outcomes multiply?

Maybe we ain’t seen nothing yet, it’s still only Monday morning!

This is pretty similar to what I've been thinking as well. If the deep state want Trump in, then they may very well be positioning institutions in ways that will 'reveal' corruption so as to vector the anger and frustrations of Americans and guide them towards the 'anti-establishment' candidate.

It may also be that, while wanting to prevent Hillary from winning the election, they also did not want to go to the extreme of putting 'one of their own' into real trouble, therefore exposing the whole political system as a vortex of corruption. As Alada pointed out, the damage was already done, and by now the real elite probably knows already who is the winner. So no need to let blood run, so to speak, and take legitimacy away from the process.

Generally speaking, in terms of public relations it doesn't matter that much if you are guilty or not; if you have been accused you have already been hit - even if it is later taken back. So the U-turn by the FBI does not necessarily translate into Hillary winning ground on the polls or being favoured to win. Those voters who already support her will think it's a good thing that she is no longer unfairly persecuted, but what about the rest? The undecided will probably think that the whole issue is fishy and that the FBI conveniently let her get away with it right before the election.

 

[Nienna]

If Hillary gets chosen, the absolutely huge section of the country who think she's a despicable corrupt psychopath won't just disappear. Will they just shrug and carry on? I mean it's one thing to dislike a president's policies, it's another when you know she's lying, breaking laws, bending over for big money - the revolutionary fervor is in the air. I wonder how many more "scandals" or blatant corruption and leaks the people will tolerate?

If Trump gets chosen, a huge part of the country will also lose their minds. The fact that one of them is gonna be "it" is unacceptable for many people, not just politically, but on principle. Will the country just shrug and go back to business as usual after the election? Have we been transmarginally inhibited that far?

This brings to mind the humongous amount of ammo that was bought up by various US agencies. Could they have seen this coming? Or, were they just getting prepared in case of any kind of 'unrest' occurring?

 

[angelburst29]

FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide
_http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

DG Staff, November 5, 2016

Walkerville, MD – An FBI agent believed to be responsible for the latest email leaks “pertinent to the investigation” into Hillary Clinton’s private email server while she was Secretary of State, was found dead in an apparent murder-suicide early Saturday morning, according to police.
<snip>

This is being reported as a hoax, and the Denver Guardian is apparently a fake news site. If you go to their "about" section it says they are experiencing technical difficulties while they migrate their content.
_http://www.snopes.com/fbi-agent-murder-suicide/
(I know. Snopes, right? But it at least has a reputation.)

Unfortunately I mentioned this to a family member in passing after reading it last night, then was asked to provide a link which I did, then she looked it up as being a hoax, all while every bit of this alternative stuff I bring up to her gets preemptively dismissed as "conspiracy theories" or coming from conspiracy theory websites. Lessons all around.

OH Gee Whiz, you're absolutely right Meta-agnostic! So very sorry, everyone! I took it to be a legitimate source.

The Denver Post which "is" a legit news site did an investigation of the article after it appeared on Facebook.
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/05/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-denver-guardian/

They had this to say:

This false story is one of thousands of fake news stories being circulated around Facebook by fly-by-night “hyperpartisan” sites this election cycle, according an investigation by Buzzfeed News.

A second investigation showed that many of the sites spreading the fake news have been created by teens in Macedonia looking to profit off of supporters (and detractors) of Donald Trump.

The teens tried to make pages for Bernie Sanders and other left-leaning politicians, but “people in America prefer to read news about Trump,” according to one Macedonian 16-year-old.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= bjorn]Since their proxies are losing in Syria and Yemen. How about cutting of their support by attacking Iran. Israel is also hell bent on the destruction of Iran. And Saudi Arabia will gladly help out.[/quote]

I meant, by attacking Iran. Syria and Yemen could lose Iranian support, which is a lot. It wasn't all that clear.


[quote author= Session 16 July 2007]Q: (H) Well, you notice that for the question, "Will we be moved again?" they said "No!", but for going to prison it was "Not likely." (L) Well, I mean obviously I could do something to get there. (Galahad) Keep an eye on her, Ark! (laughter) (Joe) Is an attack on Iran imminent?

A: They are trying to move in that direction. More likely to be a false flag attack in US and UK and France and possibly Russia to garner public support.

Q: (H) That's one heck of a false flag attack! (Joe) Mossad are more than capable. That's really unimaginative. I was hoping for something more... (L) Creative? (H) Hey, it works!

A: It may not...[/quote]


American fascism will also bring a renewal of American imperialism

That is more extreme, and more brutal than it was ever before. Opening up new possibilities in the geopolitical arena. Something the true PTB might think is necessary to turn to tide.

But for that to happen, they need to create a climate that makes it acceptable, even so that the American public will cheer it on. It can only happen if the populace is made hysterical and hatefull enough.

As for the rest of the World. I suppose it will split in two when that happens. Every country on Earth will show to who it is part of, and many Western countries no doubt will follow the same pace.


- Anyhow, it's all just speculation and we have to wait and see what happens.