"Life Without Bread"

[Gwenllian]

This is very disturbing, but then again, when crops fail, then vegetarianism is not an option, either.

I am wondering if we should start keeping our own animals again. And whether that would help?

Well, according to the evidence from real research all indications point to a total ecological collapse very soon -- "The Sixth Extinction" that would include humans (or most of the human population) and many, many other species -- it's been in the works for a while, it's already happening. The ability of the planet and Mother Nature to sustain life here will eventually be restored after what's threatening the life sustaining system is removed. Nature always puts everything back into balance and life/living things continue to exist as a result. We'll just have to wait and see how everything pans out, but everything's been pointing to a major extinction event.

I have started reading the 'How to prepare for the coming Ice Age' thread.

Just want to mention, if you want to have an optimal diet, i.e. high animal fat/low carb, you should first eliminate all gluten and casein (dairy) and then pretty much all grains first. This should be done before attempting to transition to the high fat/low carb keto diet. These are even more troublesome than any spices in liverwurst being inflammatory as mentioned by Oxajil. You may already know this, but just making sure.

Yes, I keep forgetting about these spices. And indeed in 'leverworst' there are a lot of them. Thank you both for mentioning it.

Looking back, the reaction of my friend is disappointing. She simply did not want to hear the message. And I was not sharp enough to come up with counterarguments. And I allowed myself to be distracted. I think her question was a digression on the main topic (meat and fat) and I did not see it.

Well it's not your place to come up with counterarguments if your friend doesn't want to here what you're offering. If they don't ask for it/are not open to it, whether diet related or any other information, they have every right to refuse to know the truth. The OVERWHELMING majority of people DON'T WANT to know the truth about just about anything. That's why external consideration, strategic enclosure, and free will are discussed so much on these forums. With practice, we become better at discerning who is really asking and who's not, and give to/help those who are sincerely asking and leave everyone else alone to do what they want.

What I would like to know is, if I practise external consideration, can I then talk about my findings when it does not relate to her? Because I did not tell her about these books I am reading because of her, but because of the young clients she meets in her office. People with all kinds of so-called disorders. So I was just explaining the physical side of for instance ADHD.
She had actually read in a newspaper about a Dutch lady that got her Ph.D by publishing research on the elimination diet, like Marc Hyman's.
When I started talking about meat she responded as I explained earlier.
Maybe I pushed it too much, as she acts and thinks like a solicitor. I assumed she could take in the information, without being touched by it.

But I take it that when people start talking to me about their opinions I can say what I think without losing sight of external consideration?
For instance the other day a homoeopath that I know wrote about the emotional component of ADHD and I wrote back telling her that Marc Hyman had helped young people with ADHD by getting rid of their food allergies. She may not wish to hear that message.

So sending people information without them asking for it is not externally considerate? Come to think of it. If people really wish to know they can ask me.
Thanks SeekingTruth for explaining all of this and the rest of your post. :D

About the diet. Ever since I have joined this forum and started EE I have stopped drinking alcohol and coffee, had already stopped eating soy and I do not eat sugar nor chocolate any more. I am slowly cutting back on gluten, but as I am older than 45 I take it very slowly. I am also eating less potatoes (they form an important staple in our diet), as I notice now that I feel sugary (as if I can taste the sugar inside me, it is like a toxin) after eating them. And it not a pleasant feeling.
Just by eliminating sugar and chocolate my cravings seem to disappear. Or almost. ;)

 

[Gwenllian]

Apologies. I forgot to mention that I also stopped eating yoghurt and cheese (from the cow). And do not make pancakes any longer, so no milk either. And no more muesli, so no more oats etc. either, which produced a very nasty taste in my mouth.

Goat cheese is still okay, isn't it?

 

[herondancer]

Congratulations on the chances you are making. You will feel so much better, and sooner than you think. :)

Goat cheese is still okay, isn't it?

Unfortunately, it looks like all milk products are just not good for the human system. Each type of milk is coded so to speak, for the young of the creature who produced it. Humans just don't have the proper enzymes to digest any other milk than what is produced by their mothers. Some groups may have developed a tolerance for milk products out of historical necessity, but tolerance is a long way from being beneficial for optimal health.

 

[Alada]

I am also eating less potatoes (they form an important staple in our diet), as I notice now that I feel sugary (as if I can taste the sugar inside me, it is like a toxin) after eating them. And it not a pleasant feeling.
Just by eliminating sugar and chocolate my cravings seem to disappear. Or almost. ;)

Same for me, potatoes used to make me very unstable in terms of the insulin response, too many would see me crashed on the sofa asleep. Mostly it was the foggy head and inability to think straight that were the problem. I think its that potatoes convert readily to sugars when we digest them, so you get these insulin spikes and the more insulin resistant you are the higher the spike. There's also the thing that potatoes being a member of the knight shade family can cause allergic reactions for some people too. Sweet potatoes on the other hand are not part of the knight shade family, I can tolerate them well in small quantities.

Cravings are connected to blood sugar levels when we are still running on carbohydrates, you'll find as the diet changes and you gradually adapt that you do indeed have fewer and gradually no cravings. At least not form the point of view of feeling hungry. Its then that we bump into 'cravings' that are better described as driven by emotions, not hunger. Its interesting to see it in yourself and start to unravel the history of what we like to eat and why.

On external consideration, I think generally you get a 'sense' (for want of something more precise) of when and how much to give to others. You seemed to have already picked up that your friend was a certain type, so maybe at some level you knew that she would not be so open and were caught out by wishful thinking. People don't generally like having their views challenged, they know what they like and like what they know. Drop little tidbits here and there maybe to test the water, but when you see that the other person just carries right on oblivious, or is to uncomfortable (feels like they are being talked 'at' - which is something I've caught myself doing before), then maybe best left as is.

 

[Alana]

Congratulations on the chances you are making. You will feel so much better, and sooner than you think. :)

Goat cheese is still okay, isn't it?

Unfortunately, it looks like all milk products are just not good for the human system. Each type of milk is coded so to speak, for the young of the creature who produced it. Humans just don't have the proper enzymes to digest any other milk than what is produced by their mothers. Some groups may have developed a tolerance for milk products out of historical necessity, but tolerance is a long way from being beneficial for optimal health.

I think this image is fitting here:

It's from this page: http://health101.org/art_milk.htm

and if you scroll down towards the end of it, there are good articles regarding milk and how bad it is (Especially the one titled: the Milk Letter - A Message to my Patients).

And from the Health Matrix: Why Milk is so Evil

Notice that like Herondancer mentions, both articles discuss how milk (and any dairy products) from any animal is not good for human consumption.

 

[Angchop]

Just to add about milk, products....I haven't been eating any dairy for a long time. The only thing I have been eating is meat and fat, and a few vegetables. I had just noticed how I had absolutely no joint pain lately and steady energy all the time. Well yesterday I had just a taste of sour cream and within a few hours I had really bad joint and back pain. It is amazing how quickly I can now feel the effects of food. I am definitely more in tune with my body.

I also wanted to mention that my face has cleared up. I have always battled acne, but with the diet change and using coconut oil on my face as a moisturizer, it is the first time since I can remember being acne free. Yippee!! :D

 

[LQB]

Be careful with this website. My machine got all sorts of problems after I went to that site and I ended up buying Mcafee software ( from trial version after 2 years ) and it is still trying to fix it. some issues are Hard disk not accessible, not detectable c:\sys32 files corrupted etc. ( vista).

Thank you for reporting. I have to second that. The day after my (failed) contact with this website I found out that my Email program (Outlook Express) had somehow been tampered with - in so far as to completely reorganise my IN box which suddenly was sorted by sendername in stead of the usual ordering by date received. I had to manually restore the sequence I'm accustomed to. Luckily nothing appears to be missing or malfunctioning but I concur wholeheartily with the cited warning off.

Sorry for the website problems. I had no issues with it before the initial post (other than that it didn't look finished). I suggest that if anyone is interested in ordering, call them.


Edit: I have a call in to them to see what might be going on.

I talked to the owners of White Thunder Organics this morning and they are aware of the website problems. Apparently their web contractor has not been responsive and is responsible for its current state (even they cannot gain controlled access). They also feel pretty bad about loss of sales due to the web problems. Someone else informed them that malware flags went up when they tried to access it. They are working the problem - but not from a very strong position it seems.

I'll report back what we find the quality of the pork to be.

The owners have had the website disabled so that it redirects to their blog site where you can place orders. They seem like very nice folk (and they are very sorry about their site being hacked - it was traced to someone out of the country that is responsible for many small business hacks in the US). Still, I suggest calling them and asking about how they raise their animals.

 

[forge]

Anybody still using thyme, thymus vulgaris as spice in soups? It was said a protection from flu. Do you use any spices at all?

After sunflower seeds are gone - i have a surprising clarity of mind - and the lot of tiny red blotches caused by them disappeared from my arms, where the skin is amazingly clean now, it seems my body increasingly rejects food that inflames my colon. Still eat homemade-chocolate (pythic acid danger), but even that is either not craved that much as in the past or the thought of having it as a snack is sometimes rejected now.

I eat pig/duck/geese fat, pig/chicken meat soup (pressure-cooking whole body sections with bone) turnip-, celery-, ginger roots; eggs, mustard and buckwheat bread. Latter is increasingly repulsive when eaten together with meat and fat soup, but goes very well, if eaten crumbled and mixed with cooked eggs and fat.

Clarity of mind seems to have cumulative effects, i can plan more steadily, daily planned todo's no longer sink into the brain-fog that was effected by sunflower seeds in the past month. Creative functions (sculpting from reference), improvements, learning ability and motor control - especially at night walking sleepily - are better. Dizziness is largely gone. I guess will have it back with the stressful job week-flow.

Interesting that with the lack of methylation now - methylation is a supposed beneficial effect of sunflower seeds you get not that much depressed - i'm not depressed too much, probably because always reminding myself what benefits have been gained with this careful diet and painful abstinence from deadly-evil super-yummy dream-foods. Also hopefully no more harmful mRNA-s are getting into my body wreaking havoc from seeds and other plants now.

 

[Chrissy]

I've been reading about a cooking technique called "Larding" and was wondering if anyone has experience with this.

Definition: "Larding is a technique for cooking meats where long strips of fat are woven through the meat using a needle called a larding needle. Strips of pork fatback are commonly used for larding.
Larding maintains the moisture of the meat while it cooks and also adds flavor. Larding tends to be employed when roasting meats, especially cuts of meat that might otherwise dry out when roasted."

My question is does most of the fat melt and get lost to the bottom of the pan? Or does it have a better chance of staying inside the meat, because it's internal? It seems when I try adding fat to the top of a roast or wrapping in bacon, it's a wasted effort, except for some nice juices to dip the dry meat in.

 

[Gwenllian]

Congratulations on the chances you are making. You will feel so much better, and sooner than you think. :)

Goat cheese is still okay, isn't it?

Unfortunately, it looks like all milk products are just not good for the human system. Each type of milk is coded so to speak, for the young of the creature who produced it. Humans just don't have the proper enzymes to digest any other milk than what is produced by their mothers. Some groups may have developed a tolerance for milk products out of historical necessity, but tolerance is a long way from being beneficial for optimal health.

Thanks! I am looking forward to this, to feeling better, I mean.
The above makes sense. It is just one of these foods that I find harder to give up. I have eaten cheese all of my life and often as a substitute for meat. I think I will have to mentally prepare myself. ;)

But I am encouraged by you, Angela, and the fact that you have not had any joint pain lately and steady energy. That is wonderful.

Just to add about milk, products....I haven't been eating any dairy for a long time. The only thing I have been eating is meat and fat, and a few vegetables. I had just noticed how I had absolutely no joint pain lately and steady energy all the time. Well yesterday I had just a taste of sour cream and within a few hours I had really bad joint and back pain. It is amazing how quickly I can now feel the effects of food. I am definitely more in tune with my body.

I think this image is fitting here:

Now that is an image I should bear in mind when I crave cheese.
Thanks Alana, I will have a look at the articles.

Same for me, potatoes used to make me very unstable in terms of the insulin response, too many would see me crashed on the sofa asleep. Mostly it was the foggy head and inability to think straight that were the problem. I think its that potatoes convert readily to sugars when we digest them, so you get these insulin spikes and the more insulin resistant you are the higher the spike. There's also the thing that potatoes being a member of the knight shade family can cause allergic reactions for some people too. Sweet potatoes on the other hand are not part of the knight shade family, I can tolerate them well in small quantities.

Alada, that is some strong reaction to potatoes, when you crash on the sofa asleep. Interesting, that you can tolerate sweet potatoes.

It seems as if I am pretty insulin resistant, although I must admit that I had only eaten some potato salad and no protein, which left me feeling very weak. But it makes it easier to give up the potato when we feel so bad afterwards, allergic or not.

Cravings are connected to blood sugar levels when we are still running on carbohydrates, you'll find as the diet changes and you gradually adapt that you do indeed have fewer and gradually no cravings. At least not form the point of view of feeling hungry. Its then that we bump into 'cravings' that are better described as driven by emotions, not hunger. Its interesting to see it in yourself and start to unravel the history of what we like to eat and why.

Yes, that is what happened yesterday. I was not hungry, but I was craving something. But I just did not know what.

On external consideration, I think generally you get a 'sense' (for want of something more precise) of when and how much to give to others. You seemed to have already picked up that your friend was a certain type, so maybe at some level you knew that she would not be so open and were caught out by wishful thinking. People don't generally like having their views challenged, they know what they like and like what they know. Drop little tidbits here and there maybe to test the water, but when you see that the other person just carries right on oblivious, or is to uncomfortable (feels like they are being talked 'at' - which is something I've caught myself doing before), then maybe best left as is.

I think I have to develop that sense more, TBH. Although it has become easier. I used to send people all kinds of articles about all kinds of topics, but stopped doing that, as I never got a reply. And it became apparent that people did not want to hear. Once I sent an article about soy to a vegetarian friend of mine. He didn't appreciate the knowledge at all. But I now understand better the dynamics of the situation.
Yes, I think I was caught out by wishful thinking. Also, sometimes I expect people to be more reasonable than I am. And then I am caught unaware, if this doesn't happen to be the case. That comes as a shock every time.
I will do that in future, drop titbits here and there and watch the response. It makes life so much simpler!
I am also very good at talking at others. My youngest child is very good at stopping me. :D

Thank you all for your replies.

 

[Gwenllian]

Mariama, I take your kindness with me. Other difficulties, and also other discoveries made the thing with my eyes appear almost casual, though. No more being able to read normally is the hardest.
Regarding the clay I will look for your post later, because now I probably won't be able to make posts longer than one line during the next 8 days
Danse la vie

I think the thread of French muck: Is this the new penicillin? is the most suitable thread to discuss clay? Sorry, do not know how to insert it. See you there, I hope.

 

[hesperides]

I was sent "Primal Mind Primal Body" book in duplicate by error and I thought maybe any of you could be interested in it. I would be happy to send it to the requested address for free, shipment charges included (I´m leaving in Spain). Just send a message to my mail and I´ll send the book.

I´ll soon report my own low carb diet experience as I´m now still reading through this thread -still 40 pages left to read- I could hardly have stick to all these diets transition without all your inputs! Thank you, folks!

 

[cagoule]

Hi,

I live in Granada, Spain and really need to change my diet! I'd be very much interested in your book and can pay for postage if it is still available?

 

[hesperides]

Fine Cagoule, I will send it to you then, unless you prefer the internet version as Ms. Peel just said. If you still want me to send it, I was just thinking of how you could manage to get my email since you must get 50 posts to access my data and you just have 46! Same for me as I only get 10 posts. Maybe you or some moderator could tell me if there is a way to solve this issue? Thanks!

 

[Laura]

Fine Cagoule, I will send it to you then, unless you prefer the internet version as Ms. Peel just said. If you still want me to send it, I was just thinking of how you could manage to get my email since you must get 50 posts to access my data and you just have 46! Same for me as I only get 10 posts. Maybe you or some moderator could tell me if there is a way to solve this issue? Thanks!

Cagoule send your shipping details to me at laura(at)sott.net, hesperides, send me your email at the same address and I will forward the info to you. Don't know any other way around the forum software set-up.