"Life Without Bread"

[Regulattor]

It's my 4th month on keto diet and I think the worst phase of keto adaptation is over for me. Adding potassium and salt was a real breakthrough and muscle shivering, especially in my lower legs significantly subsided. My energy level is up but still it does not feel the way before HFLC diet. Physical preformace is a bit better but still far from before. I guess that I'm in much worst shape then I initially thought so it could take even more time to fully adjust to diet.

Lost additional 1-2kg but overall feeling is ok. It could be water intake related thou. Lean muscle mass seems intact or slightly lower then before HFLC.

Bowel movements improved, but still constipated to some extent. Having trouble with taking higher amounts of fat during the day. My current menu looks like this:

Breakfast: fried/ 120-160g of bacon, 100g of sweet potato, 50-70g of fat (gee, duck, goose), sometimes with 1-2 eggs over.

Lunch: 2 pork steaks, usually neck or 200g of sardines or mackerel (with olive oil) or stew (wild game, pork, beef) soup, sometimes lamb or liver as main dish. Rucola or 1/2 tomato salad as sidedish.

For snack: pork cracklings or 20-40g of Coconut oil.

Dinner: Leftovers from lunch or nothing since I don't feel hungry.

One important positive outcome of this phase is that my seasonal palm eczema didn't occur this summer. It's the first time in more then 20 years! I'm curious about next pollination season outcome.

 

[truth seeker]

Have you considered swapping out the sweet potato for green beans? Also, are you sure you're not allergic to nightshades (tomatoes)?

 

[mcb]

Have you considered swapping out the sweet potato for green beans? Also, are you sure you're not allergic to nightshades (tomatoes)?

100g of sweet potato could be OK for weight maintenance, depending on carb tolerance, but it is definitely something to be careful with.

Sweet potatoes are one thing I think I was addicted to. They were harder for me to give up than sugar. I ate just part of one a few weeks ago, over two days, and it threw me out of ketosis.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Small update from one of the skinny ones. When I first started the diet changes almost 3 years ago, my weight went down. I used to be 145-150 lbs, but got to the point where I was consistently 138. But over the last months on the paleo diet (as well as doing some heavy physical exercise for 2 hrs, twice a week, which I think helped a lot), I'm up to 143, rising slowly but steadily. No more cramps, no real intense cravings for evil foods (although if I think about them, I do miss chocolate bars! ). I cut out even buckwheat flour a couple weeks ago, and the other day, when I tried 2 blinis in the afternoon, I was irritable for the rest of the day, so I think I'll be laying off those from now on.

 

[Regulattor]

Have you considered swapping out the sweet potato for green beans? Also, are you sure you're not allergic to nightshades (tomatoes)?

No I didn't considered it so far, because green beans are close to the top of my yuck food list and since I'm slowly introducing organ meats, liver especially, which is even above green beans on mentioned list, I think it would be too much too soon, so my plan is to slowly introduce food that I've avoided all those years. I'm having hard time forcing my self to eat organ meats or green beans or large amounts of fat as well. I guess that's what carbs makes of taste buds also, beside serious organ/body damage.

As far as tomato is I'm unable to detect if they create problems for me. It's just half of mid sized tomato 1-2 times weekly. And only when I can get domestic products, seasonly.

Have you considered swapping out the sweet potato for green beans? Also, are you sure you're not allergic to nightshades (tomatoes)?

100g of sweet potato could be OK for weight maintenance, depending on carb tolerance, but it is definitely something to be careful with.

Sweet potatoes are one thing I think I was addicted to. They were harder for me to give up than sugar. I ate just part of one a few weeks ago, over two days, and it threw me out of ketosis.

If we are to believe keto sticks I'm in ketosis at least 2 months since I've got them to do the testing and ate sweet potato whole time, every day in amounts no greater then cca 100g.
As far as weight maintenance is, I surely don't want just to stay at my current weight, because I'm skinny hardgainer so I want to add some weight up, but still I'm unable to do so.

 

[anart]

Small update from one of the skinny ones. When I first started the diet changes almost 3 years ago, my weight went down. I used to be 145-150 lbs, but got to the point where I was consistently 138. But over the last months on the paleo diet (as well as doing some heavy physical exercise for 2 hrs, twice a week, which I think helped a lot), I'm up to 143, rising slowly but steadily. No more cramps, no real intense cravings for evil foods (although if I think about them, I do miss chocolate bars! ). I cut out even buckwheat flour a couple weeks ago, and the other day, when I tried 2 blinis in the afternoon, I was irritable for the rest of the day, so I think I'll be laying off those from now on.

Yeah, I think blinis are out for most of us, actually (but maybe others can still have them?). I had a tiny (like the size of a carrot) Japanese sweet potato a few days ago to see how I would react and it wasn't good - my energy level sank and I was irritable and I craved carbs for the next day. So - for me it's sticking to green beans a few times a week and pork and the occasional almond as a snack. I feel great, though, and weight continues to come off, which is kind of an added bonus! At some point I'll add other veggies to see how it goes, but, for now, minimal seems to be best for me.

 

[mcb]

If we are to believe keto sticks I'm in ketosis at least 2 months since I've got them to do the testing and ate sweet potato whole time, every day in amounts no greater then cca 100g.
As far as weight maintenance is, I surely don't want just to stay at my current weight, because I'm skinny hardgainer so I want to add some weight up, but still I'm unable to do so.

Don't believe keto sticks. They don't measure nutritional ketosis. There are some useful tests available to researchers, but nothing that I am aware of that you could find at the drugstore. You can find more information about keto sticks earlier in this topic, and in the reading.

 

[mcb]

I just finished reading "Deep Nutrition: Why Your Genes Need Traditional Food" by Catherine Shanahan MD and Luke Shanahan. Even though it doesn't talk about gluten nor casein and promotes veggies, it was still very interesting. In fact, the "Vegetarian Myth" and the "Primal Body, Primal Mind" books share some of the information and references of this book but in a more synthesized way. This book provides deeper context and interesting clinical science and experiences since the authors have backgrounds in biology, alternative medicine, culinary arts, etc.

Psyche,

Deep Nutrition is very interesting indeed. It has totally surprised me, though some of what it has to say can be very disturbing for me and I am sure others in this forum. It is the first book I have read to make real sense out of the role of the epigenome in everyday life.

I learned about epigenomics four years ago from a PBS Nova documentary that I have posted about previously. I immediately made a connection with some of my lifelong seemingly intractable issues. This book confirms my concerns, but offers a little hope as well.

What blew me away, though, was the esoteric implications in what she writes in the part of the book about dynamic symmetry. This lines up with and begins to make sense of many, many observations that I have made over the years, particular those of a "lock and key" nature where I observe something that seizes my attention like a receptor grabbing on to a matching molecule.

I am good, sometimes, at spotting things but terrible at figuring out what to do after that. What I was completely unprepared for was an epigenitic link between nutrition and perception! Talk about finding pieces of the puzzle! But I think it fits with things I have read in ISOTM.

I am a little skeptical at this point, having not seen confirmation from other authors -- I haven't even had time to look at her reference citations -- but a lot of this nevertheless has the ring of truth about it. One has to be very careful, though, about parts that might not be true. This material seems worthy of its own discussion.

 

[Gaby]

I am a little skeptical at this point, having not seen confirmation from other authors -- I haven't even had time to look at her reference citations -- but a lot of this nevertheless has the ring of truth about it. One has to be very careful, though, about parts that might not be true. This material seems worthy of its own discussion.

It will certainly be very interesting to discuss, even if we can only speculate. The part of symmetry was interesting, it also reminds me of the concept in Gnosis:

Apart from this, the two races are similar: they have the same lower centres, the same structure of the Personality and the same physical body, although more often than not this is stronger in pre-adamic man than in the adamic; regarding beauty, we must not forget that pre-adamic man and woman were created by God on the sixth day, in His image and after His likeness, and that the daughters of this race were particularly beautiful.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I can't seem to sleep without waking up, even in complete darkness and 1.5 mg of melatonin. I wake up a few times and check my watch wondering what time it is. Could just be some habit. I try not to drink before bed too.

I can't seem to sleep the night through either. I quit taking melatonin and 5htp cause they didn't do anything and I don't notice any difference without them. Mostly I seem to be waking to use the toilet from drinking a lot of water to wash down all those supplements. In addition to the regular after meal supplements, I take magnesium, glutamine, and colostrum in the morning and night before bedtime (for the empty stomach effect) so I need to wash them down well. Plus, if I do a sauna when I get home from work, I usually drink two bottles of water. What goes in must come out, I guess.

There is something else I've noticed. Often, whenever I doze off and wake up, I start to have a "hot flash." It's like when my brain kicks back into full consciousness after being in La-La land, something flips the "overheat" button. This happens when I wake up in the middle of the night, or if I doze off in a chair, or at my desk on a slow day.

 

[Regulattor]

If we are to believe keto sticks I'm in ketosis at least 2 months since I've got them to do the testing and ate sweet potato whole time, every day in amounts no greater then cca 100g.
As far as weight maintenance is, I surely don't want just to stay at my current weight, because I'm skinny hardgainer so I want to add some weight up, but still I'm unable to do so.

Don't believe keto sticks. They don't measure nutritional ketosis. There are some useful tests available to researchers, but nothing that I am aware of that you could find at the drugstore. You can find more information about keto sticks earlier in this topic, and in the reading.

That's why I sad if we are to believe... Unfortunately I think that I had and still having, thou in much less magnitude, symptoms that usually comes with keto adaptation, such is for example leg cramps and muscle shivering, low energy etc., and perhaps only by this signs you can tell if you are making this shift towards burning fat for energy. I think, since I'm in 4th month of implementing HFLC diet, which consist mostly of fat, taking in account that I lost 1-2 kg in this period, that my body is using fat for energy, otherwise I would lost even more weight and maybe my life would be endangered. The question is how much of my fat intake is in fact used by the body, and how much is my body still producing glucose out of protein intake? I sometimes feel like old rusty engine, starting again after long, long time, but this time on different fuel. Maybe it'll work.

 

[mcb]

It will certainly be very interesting to discuss, even if we can only speculate. The part of symmetry was interesting, it also reminds me of the concept in Gnosis:

Apart from this, the two races are similar: they have the same lower centres, the same structure of the Personality and the same physical body, although more often than not this is stronger in pre-adamic man than in the adamic; regarding beauty, we must not forget that pre-adamic man and woman were created by God on the sixth day, in His image and after His likeness, and that the daughters of this race were particularly beautiful.

I am wondering if it connects in some direct way with with the 900-some-odd laws. The author of this book is highlighting some very deep, very fundamental relationships, which are probably rather difficult to grasp from 3rd density. I am not grasping it myself, but I sure did catch a glimpse of something.

 

[mcb]

...There is something else I've noticed. Often, whenever I doze off and wake up, I start to have a "hot flash." It's like when my brain kicks back into full consciousness after being in La-La land, something flips the "overheat" button. This happens when I wake up in the middle of the night, or if I doze off in a chair, or at my desk on a slow day.

Maybe it's your keto furnace starting to kick in. I have been feeling something like that too, at night and sometimes at other times, especially in the evening.

 

[forge]

The company, i used to buy excellent rendered duck fat from, until July, diluted somehow this duck fat shipment of August. The new one doesn't have the heavy characteristic duck smell just a little. Lighter in color, not so dark greenish and yellow (from curcuma) as it used to. Not so 'heavy' either.

This fat is half so thick, crumbles in the bucket when pressed together, cracks appear in it, as if substance changed. Too easy to spoon out and melts more easily even in the bucket on room temp, too soon. 10-20 minutes after eating the usual 100-150gr amount of it i got sick in the stomach for the first time eating duck fat for months, like when eating something very bad in the past that cannot be digested. I had no problems with their earlier product last month. Second time i'm sick now.

Is it possible to fake duck fat? Mix it with deadly plastic fats that remain reasonably solid in the refrigerator? I guess i have to throw out the whole shipment and look for - sample first - something edible. :(

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Maybe it's your keto furnace starting to kick in. I have been feeling something like that too, at night and sometimes at other times, especially in the evening.

I wish! Nah, it's been going on for quite a while now.