London Olympics 2012

[Joe]

This thread has reduced a massive event to a pinprick: a single movement and a fraction of a second. Here is the whole context of the Nazi salute: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00wm0br
(Remember, transmitted live to the whole planet, all music British!)

Some forum members appear to have expected a barely concealed message of darkness from the elitists to the citizens of this planet. OK, I did too. But not to the point of hypnotic conditioning, against every evidence. Let's watch a bit more objectively:

A country 'preparing for war'?
Check out the Great Ormond Street Hospital section. Sleep well ;)
Where's the heavy security presence? Surely a glorious opportunity?
How many Nazi salutes can you spot?
For those who can't think beyond the cost, unfortunately you don't get to hold the Olympics without staging an opening ceremony. Worth knowing there were 7,500 volunteers, averaging 150 hours each of free work. It's their crazy enthusiasm that makes the event rock.

Olympic rings can mean anything under the sun. They can also be used as a symbol of togetherness and species unity, of imagining for a few moments a human fate bigger than one's own.

Not dark, not sinister. Against the run of our expectations, nothing but a brilliant, brilliant message from parts of humanity to anyone who's listening, including the cosmos.

I think the link was simply to live BBC coverage of the Olympics. Other than that, I have no idea what Be is talking about.

 

[MK Scarlett]

This thread has reduced a massive event to a pinprick: a single movement and a fraction of a second. Here is the whole context of the Nazi salute: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00wm0br

Hi Be,
The link does not work...

It looks like it is only viewable in the UK.

And there is also some footage about a alleged UFO during the opening, Goodyear says it is their airship, but has no blinking lights:

UFO Sighted Over Olympics? Not a Blimp or Drone?

I think the link was simply to live BBC coverage of the Olympics. Other than that, I have no idea what Be is talking about.

Thank you both for the explanations of this. For the live I understand it can only works during the live, but I had no idea it could be only viewable in the UK.

 

[loreta]

This thread has reduced a massive event to a pinprick: a single movement and a fraction of a second. Here is the whole context of the Nazi salute: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00wm0br
(Remember, transmitted live to the whole planet, all music British!)

Some forum members appear to have expected a barely concealed message of darkness from the elitists to the citizens of this planet. OK, I did too. But not to the point of hypnotic conditioning, against every evidence. Let's watch a bit more objectively:

A country 'preparing for war'?
Check out the Great Ormond Street Hospital section. Sleep well ;)
Where's the heavy security presence? Surely a glorious opportunity?
How many Nazi salutes can you spot?
For those who can't think beyond the cost, unfortunately you don't get to hold the Olympics without staging an opening ceremony. Worth knowing there were 7,500 volunteers, averaging 150 hours each of free work. It's their crazy enthusiasm that makes the event rock.

Olympic rings can mean anything under the sun. They can also be used as a symbol of togetherness and species unity, of imagining for a few moments a human fate bigger than one's own.

Not dark, not sinister. Against the run of our expectations, nothing but a brilliant, brilliant message from parts of humanity to anyone who's listening, including the cosmos.

Personally, I have no idea what Be is talking about.

Me neither. I thought I was the only one. But it is like reading a language I don't understand.

 

[Gonzo]

Considering the amount of money on the table for broadcasting the Olympic$, I imagine that live coverage is limited, so that the networks that won whatever ridiculous bidding way they had to participate in, can get value for the treasure they had to fork over. The limitations would probably involve regional distribution., which would explain why one can't see coverage from a UK source outside of the UK and would, therefore, have to find out who has the coverage rights for one's specific region. Even then, some may choose to only distribute on television, forcing the market into a narrow funnel of advertising.

I was shocked to read the other day, how much energy is being invested in protecting the Olympic brand, as well as the value of the distribution rights. Apparently broadcasters who did not win distribution rights are only allowed to show a maximum of so many minutes of coverage a day. Some foolish London bakery got in trouble for creating a pretzel or some other baked good in the shape of the Olympic rings. As well, it seems the legal departments of many media companies and, perhaps other organizations, are sonconcern about the internation Olympic committees zealous approach to brand protection, they have asked their employees to avoid or severely limit, using even the word Olympic in their communications.

This is big business.

Gonzo

 

[loreta]

I was remembering the Olympics of Montreal with my husband. I forgot how even in Montreal all was business and how the Mafia was implicated in everything. My father worked few days for the Olympics through the COJO, the organization of the games. He left, scandalized. Everyone was steeling what they can. Plus, the mafia was implicated in the food that people were eating during the Games in the site, but this food was rotten, all the hot-dogs that the visitors eat during the Games were rotten!

There is a very popular inquest about all what happened (business business) during the Montreal Games named Commission d'ênquête sur les Jeux Olympiques et sur COJO specially about the construction of the Stadium that I am sure that Quebec is still paying.

So, in every Olympic Games you have dirty money, bribes, etc. The Olympics of London are equal or worse then the other ones. Shame.

Edit: correction of information:

I think I made a mistake yesterday about the scandal of rotten meat. Please accept my apologies. This Scandal was put to the public in 1975 in an inquest by the CECO (Commission of Inquiry on Organize Crime). It is probably that this rotten meat was sold during the Expo 67 and not during the Olympics. In this inquiry we learn that people from Quebec were eating rotten meat in those years. The name of the inquiry is named PROJECT ALBERT. It is very difficult to find information about this scandal, I have found, if you are interested this:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_d'enqu%C3%AAte_sur_le_crime_organis%C3%A9

I am sorry for the noise.

 

[cubbex]

The irony of things. The Queen has been loved by people (or at least superficially loved), but now all I found is people making fun of her. Like if nobody really takes her seriously.

Who would say on medieval times that kings or queens would be material of popular jokes?

 

[loreta]

A friend told me yesterday that he read an article in the journal The Monde about this: they found 200 thousand coffins in London, ready for what? Than half an hour later the article was not there anymore. Did someone read about this? It seems to me that I read about these mysterious coffins but I don't remember where. This friend is a good source.

 

[Voyageur]

A friend told me yesterday that he read an article in the journal The Monde about this: they found 200 thousand coffins in London, ready for what? Than half an hour later the article was not there anymore. Did someone read about this? It seems to me that I read about these mysterious coffins but I don't remember where. This friend is a good source.

This was in SotT Fri, 22 Jun 2012:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/247256-Undercover-Reporter-Infiltrates-Private-Security-Firm-to-Expose-London-Olympic-Evacuation-Plan-Predator-Drones-and-Delivery-of-200-000-Casket-Linings-

 

[loreta]

A friend told me yesterday that he read an article in the journal The Monde about this: they found 200 thousand coffins in London, ready for what? Than half an hour later the article was not there anymore. Did someone read about this? It seems to me that I read about these mysterious coffins but I don't remember where. This friend is a good source.

This was in SotT Fri, 22 Jun 2012:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/247256-Undercover-Reporter-Infiltrates-Private-Security-Firm-to-Expose-London-Olympic-Evacuation-Plan-Predator-Drones-and-Delivery-of-200-000-Casket-Linings-

Thank you very much Voyageur.

 

[Laura]

The irony of things. The Queen has been loved by people (or at least superficially loved), but now all I found is people making fun of her. Like if nobody really takes her seriously.

Who would say on medieval times that kings or queens would be material of popular jokes?

True. It really is a ridiculous position to hold. The very idea of a "monarch" is so archaic and counter-human that a rational mind can hardly grok it as being accepted or acceptable to anyone. But humans are not rational, it seems, not even the Queen or her family. They are as mechanical as everyone else, trapped in their own illusions and programs. If she one day woke up completely rational, she would announce that the monarchy will be abolished and all her family members will be required to get real jobs.

 

[herrnimrod]

Then you misunderstand me. I have no opinion on Walter Trøggs intentions. What I do say is that the producers and media grabbed the opportunity for controversy, whether the incident was planned or accidental. The reason I believe this is because that is what the media has been doing since the beginning.

Well, I'm glad you've shown an ability to come to your senses and recognise that it was probably not intentional and he was just waving in his own style. As for the media, yes, one or two outlets (the gutter press) used it to sell a little scandal.

You deserve credit for opening me to the possibility that it could be unintentional on his part. However, for that to be the most probable explanation it must be assumed he is a normal, conscientious human being. I don't see any reason why that should be assumed under present circumstances, under any circumstances. He could be under control of various sources, he could be a psychopath and simply not care about what could be a calculated fall out. For all I know he could not be a person at all, just a fictional creation.

Realizing I can't know any of those things leaves me simply with what we're being shown, a gesture which could be interpreted by a fair number of people as a nazi salute, or at the very least, nazi esque. The difference between the two viewpoints, intentional or unintentional, relies on two separate beliefs. One, assuming he is a normal person, it would be unlikely for him to do this, or two, that it would be unlikely for such an incident to take place in an event under so much control and with so much riding on it by accident, also given the assumption that nothing happens in the media by accident.

After considering this my opinion is that the nature of the incident remains open. My personal conclusion is that either way it's not worth spending energy on, and I have come to realize that I've already spent a lot more than I should, and for that I thank you. Perhaps, if intentional, that was part of the perps goals.

Speaking of Germans... interesting choice of nik, herrnimrod

Herr

From Old High German hēriro, hērro, the comparative form of hēr (“noble, venerable”) (German hehr), by analogy with Latin senior (“elder”).

1. Mr., mister, sir
2. gentleman
3. master, lord, generally denotes that somebody has control over something, either in a generic or in a regal sense

Nimrod

In Hebrew and Christian tradition, Nimrod is traditionally considered the leader of those who built the Tower of Babel

Based on this, I submit that herrminrod is a secret member of the aristocratic shapeshifting bloodlines that have ruled with an iron fist since ancient times and that he is infatuated with the German dude's wave in the Olympic arena is cause he so badly wants it to be a Nazi salute.

Does that sound plausible?

If not, why not?

If you answered "because it's based on assumptions and subjective nonsense", you would be correct!

This discussion reminds me of an old forum member who posted photos he took of faces he was seeing in clouds. No amount of reasoning with him would convince him otherwise. In the end we just had to let him be.

I wonder if to this day he still sees faces in the clouds.

Actually, my great grandmother was the daughter of the consul in Hamburg (Friedrich Wuppermann), so you might be right. Though, the monies from that dowry were squandered by her descendants so my upbringing was not exactly what you would call noble. My father rejected his invitation to the Freemasons because he thought the entire idea was silly.

Other than that the name is simply a result of an earlier, superficial respect for Nimrod when I heard he rebelled against his false god. Herr denotes my sense of belonging to the germanic heritage. Before that I went under "pollux", and the explanation for that was the movie Face Off! Didn't even know he was a greek demigod until years later. The names just corresponded with me for some reason.

The assertion that I wanted it to be a nazi salute is probably correct though. Not because of any adherence to those beliefs, but because I'm infatuated with friction. Preferably from a distance, but I don't mind a bit of it in my personal life either.

All in all your analysis is actually pretty intuitive, but I have to disappoint you on the shapeshifting part. Though that would be kinda cool. :P

 

[anart]

You deserve credit for opening me to the possibility that it could be unintentional on his part. However, for that to be the most probable explanation it must be assumed he is a normal, conscientious human being.

Not at all. This is a wholly faulty assumption on your part. You then build an entire 'argument' based on this faulty assumption. Just because he was waving how he happens to wave says absolutely nothing about what type of human being he is. He could be evil and happen to wave that way or he could be kind and happen to wave that way, or anywhere in between. Do you see the error in your logic?

The assertion that I wanted it to be a nazi salute is probably correct though. Not because of any adherence to those beliefs, but because I'm infatuated with friction. Preferably from a distance, but I don't mind a bit of it in my personal life either.

Then perhaps this is not the forum for you, since this forum is concerned with facts, and your 'word play' in the last sentence is really not suited for this forum either. It pays to know your audience.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

You deserve credit for opening me to the possibility that it could be unintentional on his part. However, for that to be the most probable explanation it must be assumed he is a normal, conscientious human being.

Actually, it doesn't suggest anything of the sort. That's poor logic. Good or bad, he was waving. Not a lot one can draw from that except for the simple fact that he was waving. Anything else is simply an assumption with no evidence.

 

[herrnimrod]

Not at all. This is a wholly faulty assumption on your part. You then build an entire 'argument' based on this faulty assumption. Just because he was waving how he happens to wave says absolutely nothing about what type of human being he is. He could be evil and happen to wave that way or he could be kind and happen to wave that way, or anywhere in between. Do you see the error in your logic?

I don't know how he happens to wave normally. If I saw proof that he does this as a part of his normal routine then certainly I could draw a more solid conclusion to his intentions.

I never said his type could be determined by a supposed wave routine. I said, as it stands, there is no way of knowing what his personality type is. It could be anything, and therefore one can't draw any meaningful conclusions based on one or the other.

Then perhaps this is not the forum for you, since this forum is concerned with facts, and your 'word play' in the last sentence is really not suited for this forum either. It pays to know your audience.

The absence of hard facts is exactly why I modified my stance to open.

What word play?

 

[herrnimrod]

Actually, it doesn't suggest anything of the sort. That's poor logic. Good or bad, he was waving. Not a lot one can draw from that except for the simple fact that he was waving. Anything else is simply an assumption with no evidence.

Why not? Why should one assume a person who is not "normal" would do anything you would consider "normal"?