M.M.S. Miracle Mineral Solution and Jim Humble

Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

I was really struck by the fact that Humble is going off to Africa to administer his "miracle cure" to children there. Reminded me of the movie The Constant Gardner. I started doing a little reading on the active ingredient of MMS as listed on the label: sodium chlorite. One interesting bit of info, from Wikipedia:

"Sodium chlorite is a strong oxidant and can therefore be expected to cause clinical symptoms similar to the well known sodium chlorate: methemoglobinemia, hemolysis, renal failure."

Sounds lovely. I had no idea what methemoglobinemia and hemolysis were, so I looked up those, next. Hemolysis was interesting.

Haemolysis (or hemolysis)—from the Greek Hemo-, Greek Αἷμα meaning blood, -lysis, meaning to break open—is the breaking open of red blood cells and the release of hemoglobin into the surrounding fluid (plasma, in vivo).

According to http://sickle.bwh.harvard.edu/malaria_sickle.html:

"The last point at which life cycle of the malarial parasite can be frustrated in humans is at the phase of red cell invasion and multiplication. Red cells are constantly created and destroyed as part of their life cycle. A mutation that somehow destroys both the infected red cells and the parasite could therefore eliminate the malaria parasite. The destroyed infected cells would be replaced by new, healthy cells. "

This was in regard to the benefit of sickle cell anemia in areas with a high incidence of malaria. Notice how they are talking about specifically targeting infected red blood cells.

So, it seems to me that Humble might be working in Africa on malaria because:

1) He can work without oversight.
2) His product actually destroys red blood cells, which might help with malaria infection but at the expense of non-infected red blood cells and the ability of blood to carry oxygen.
3) The lack of oversight means he can kill people, or make them severely ill, and keep the entire thing quiet with a few bucks put in the right pockets.

If that is even close to correct, he must has some serious contacts in "high" places.
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

Gandalf said:
Rhys said:
[UPDATE - I just tried to access the link above, and mmsnews.org is completely inaccessible! Maybe thats just me? Very fishy imho :mad:]

I can not neither.

_http://www.natmedtalk.com/mms-miracle-mineral-supplement/5551-newsletter-jim-humble-2.html

Here's another forum that mentions the same link, and people talking about the religion. But the mmsnews.org site still seems to be dead.
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

Psyche said:
It almost never makes sense medically to ignore the basics, the air we breathe, the water we drink and the sun. Minerals like magnesium and iodine are up there with the prime basics of life and the use of poisons like chlorine dioxide should not be considered for use unless the basics do not supply the necessary resolution. In the special case of the supposedly magical mineral substance we have something vastly safer, more natural and proven through over a century of medical use. We have iodine, which has the same anti pathogenic profile as that claimed for the chlorine compound.

Iodine has been banned in the EU since October 25 2009.

The following article is dated 13 August 2009 and appears on _http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2009/08/13/eu-ban-will-end-walkers-use-of-iodine

grough said:
Iodine, for many years used by walkers and mountaineers to disinfect water, will be banned in the European Union from autumn.

The ban means that, from 25 October retailers will no longer be allowed to sell or supply for use the substance. Some equipment manufacturers will also need to modify their gear in response to the ban. Chlorine tablets will still be available for the purpose.

The ban affects all 27 EU countries and was taken in response to US Center for Disease Control advice which says iodine should only be consumed in controlled doses for no more than a few weeks.

Pregnant women and those with thyroid problems were always advised against using the substance.

Generations of outdoors enthusiasts, military personnel and travellers have used iodine, producing its telltale yellow colouring, to kill bugs in drinking water. Alternatives include, as mentioned, chlorine tablets, though these produce a strong ‘swimming bath’ taste in treated water; boiling and devices using ultra-violet light and filtering.

The main risks from drinking untreated water come from bacteria, viruses and parasites such as giardia and cryptosporidium. There may also be chemicals present in water, though this is less likely in high mountain streams.

Industry insiders said the move could be followed by the United States and other countries.
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

Ya'll can be posting some info to comments to my announcement to cancel on FB. Also, share my post on the topic from your news feed page. (That way, it will carry all the comments).
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

This is deeply disturbing. I don't know what else to say.
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

The humble bishop must have became so in a hurry. On this page "How World Peace
Can Be Achieved" _http://jimhumble.biz/biz-worldpeace.htm there is no mention of christianity og churches. The solution offered here is to raise our childrens IQ to 200 and wolla! world peace will be achieved. And the page is copyrighted as of 2008-2009. To go from no-knowledge to bishop in a secret church inabout a year are pretty impresive. OSIT. But he may be the only member. ;)

Bishop Humble said:
One of the most important things would be for you to become part of a list of people who are teaching their children with this method. That you have a child that will someday have an IQ of 200 or more. A child that will become part of Earth’s future. A child that will make a difference.
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

That, more than anything, tells me what a liar the guy is. And I'm not even gonna get into his -rooster-and-bull story about this "ancient religion." What a load of horse hockey!
 
Re: Jim Humble to announce his new 'Paleo' Christian religion at Nexus Conference

Burma Jones said:
1) He can work without oversight.
2) His product actually destroys red blood cells, which might help with malaria infection but at the expense of non-infected red blood cells and the ability of blood to carry oxygen.
3) The lack of oversight means he can kill people, or make them severely ill, and keep the entire thing quiet with a few bucks put in the right pockets

jojo... Interesting.

- Here we work with oxygen and prevents psychopathy.
- They try to block the shipment of oxygen and lead to high levels of psychopathy.

Open message to Jim Humble: MMS - Miracle Mineral Solution Debate
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=873



ok ... This leaves a lot to think ... about what the payo Humble ... said about the FDA and his adventures

Another Fraud Of Alternative Medicine: M.M.S

http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/320-another-fraud-of-alternative-medicine-mms.html

Over the past few years, we have periodically seen the letters 'M.M.S.' used in reference to an alternative health treatment. However, it was not until it was written about on our site, by a visiting commentator, that we did any research into M.M.S.. It is unfortunate that it has taken this long for us to notice this fraud, and we can only hope that it has not harmed anyone in the meantime. M.M.S. is an acronym for 'Miracle Mineral Solution'. (Yeah, that's what we thought too.) If you are not already cringing from the market-speak, you will be, when you find that it is simply chlorine dioxide (oxygenated chlorine).

This is the same compound which is used to bleach flour, and disinfect the municipal water supplies. Promoters of M.M.S. claim that it cures AIDS, herpes, cancer, malaria, T.B., and "many more diseases", which are unnamed. Snake oils never had it so good. The M.M.S. fraud would be amusing if it weren't so potentially dangerous. It is primarily being promoted by two people, named Jim Humble and Adam Abraham.

The F.D.A. has not made any move against these fraudsters, despite making every 'unapproved medical claim' imaginable. Yet, when colloidal silver is honestly promoted, or cherry farmers quote scientific studies in favor of their crops medicinal benefits, the F.D.A. enters high alert. This is a pattern which we have noticed, for the F.D.A. is only interested in silencing effective and legitimate alternative medicines, but it condones obvious frauds like M.M.S., because these frauds hurt alternative medicine (the competition) in the long term. In other words, alternative medicine frauds like this are actually beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry.

It is not surprising then, that the same people who sell chlorine dioxide as a dietary supplement, also sell detox food pads. The pads, by the way, simply turn brown when any moisture is applied to them. They cannot remove toxins, or microscopic parasites through the feet. Toxins and parasites are generally found in the internal organs, far away from, and protected from the feet. The chemicals in the foot pads, however, do have the strong potential to be absorbed through the skin, to actually cause toxicity. Remember, that the pads must allow the movement of water into them, after all, and this means that the water-soluble chemicals will likewise escape to the skin.

Consumers of M.M.S. are told to mix sodium chloride with citric acid, to produce chlorine dioxide. They are advised to take several drops per day, inside an acidic fruit drink. Then, the individual should reduce the amount of drops that are used until it does not make them sick. (A telling indicator if ever I heard one.) This is supposed to continue perpetually, assumably for a lifetime. During that time, it is supposed to kill all pathogens, parasites, diseases, and remove all heavy metals too! It does not, however, give a person X-ray vision. We just gave them an idea, didn't we? Darn-it.

While bleach is very effective for cleaning toilets of fungi and other dangerous pathogens, the same products should not be consumed into the human body. Bleach kills the pathogens by poisoning them, and then corroding them. Internally consuming a corrosive that is equally poisonous is hardly health wyze, but nonetheless the claims continue.

"Amazing as it might seem, when used correctly, the immune system can use this killer to only attack those germs, bacteria, viruses, molds, and other microorganisms that are harmful to the body."

"It has been used in stock yards to kill pathogens on meat, and on slaughtered chickens; it has been used to sterilize hospital floors and benches, and to kill pathogens in water works without killing friendly bacteria for over 70 years."

"If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not a bad sign... It is not real diarrhea as the body is just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone. "

— themiraclemineralsupplement.com

That's right, it's not "real diarrhea". It's just fake diarrhea that you should not worry yourself about. We were almost speechless, and concluded that the author must have diarrhea of the mouth. At least the last sentence, "When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone", is actually true ― so it caught us off guard.

Whenever someone is seriously mistaken, then it is at least annoying, but it is much harder to maintain patient composure when cataloging absolute bold-faced lies; especially from people pretending to be our friends, at the expense of our health, and our finances. We would ask for a listing of the "bleach resistant" good bacteria, but alas, we know that they do not exist. Bleach is extremely poisonous to all living organisms, regardless of size or function.

If a solution such as chlorine dioxide did work, (and believe me that would be a stretch of the imagination) then it would work in the same despicable manner as chemotherapy. It would poison the entire body, and hopefully kill-off the weaker (diseased) cells first; but it would also have the side-effect of damaging all the healthy cells too. Chlorine is used to sterilize hospitals and slaughterhouses because it is poisonous to everything, not just the harmful bacteria. The very term sterilization means to kill everything, which is something the fraudsters are apparently unaware of, as shown by their claims. The same is true for the water supply. If chlorine dioxide were effective, then tap water would be ideal for our health, along with bleached white flour, bleached table salt, white sugar, and bleached white rice, but those who regularly consume these products are the unhealthiest in society. The one common thread is bleaching with chlorine.

This product ("MMS") is particularly dangerous, because those who sell it are encouraging people to ignore the symptoms of toxicity. Vomiting and diarrhea are a clear indication that the body is trying to eliminate something toxic, and that something is making it violently ill ― not healthier. That is why 'food poisoning' is so unpleasant, and it is also why chlorine will produce the same effect. If any medication were causing nausea and vomiting, then it is always recommended by everyone that its use be discontinued. When these symptoms occur from a bad reaction with a chemical, it generally means that the person's life is risked by continued usage. We hope to put an abrupt stop to the sales of M.M.S. before a child is killed with it, and again, we ask that our readers help spread the word.

The Effects of Chlorine on the Body

The environmental protection agency website explains that chlorine dioxide reduces activity in rats, and produces neurological disorders. However, there have been very few studies on the effects of orally consumed chlorine dioxide, because governmental agencies do not assume that people will be drinking it as a supplement. In fact, we have to wonder what the U.S.D.A.'s recommended daily allowance for Chlorox is.

Chlorine has been known for years to both cause and worsen respiratory problems including asthma and pneumonia. As a thyroid crippling halogen, chlorine damages enzymes across the board to decimate the immune system upon ingestion or inhalation. Chlorine causes magnesium deficiency, which can cause almost any symptom you can imagine, from migraine headaches, high blood pressure, chemical sensitivity, and in severe cases: sudden death, according to Mark J. Eisenberg, MD. When such magnesium deficiencies are combined with M.S.G. intake, it sometimes leads to sudden and unexpected heart failure; even amongst young people. Chlorine also decreases the absorption, while increasing the excretion of calcium and phosphorus. This increased loss of calcium into the urine leads to bone-related problems including osteoporosis. Chlorine has been known to irritate the skin, the eyes, and the respiratory system. It has a tendency to react with other chemicals (especially acids) to produce even more toxic by-products. Some of chlorine's by-products are known as trihalomethanes (THM's). An example of a THM is chloroform, a well documented cancer causing agent. Studies have repeatedly demonstrated that chlorine and THM's are leading causes of colon and bladder cancers, as well as diabetes, kidney stones, and of course, heart attacks.

Joining Together To Keep Dangerous Frauds Out of Alternative Medicine

For those readers who missed the joke, sodium chloride is bleached table salt. We doubt that it will help with heart disease and high blood pressure. Unfortunately though, this is not something that we can laugh about, as people may have already died from this snake oil. If frauds such as this one are allowed to parade under the banner of 'alternative medicine', then people who are trying to escape from the establishment will just get harmed more, due to M.M.S., and alternative medicine as a whole will be unfairly stigmatized. It is therefore important that sites which are espousing true alternative medicines work with us to expose the dangers of chlorine dioxide (M.M.S.) before a child is seriously harmed by it, for otherwise, it is inevitable. Just imagine a parent trying to cure a child of a serious disease with a bottle of Chlorox, and ignoring his repeated vomiting. While such a thing would be 'child cruelty', it could easily happen if a parent simply believes the M.M.S. scam.


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Here is an interesting thread to pull on. According to http://www.originalchurch.org/apostolic-succession/apostolic-succession-two.htm Humble was ordained a bishop of Spiritis Church. The page lists the apostolic succession, which got me to scratching my head a bit. David Ferrie (of JFK assassination fame) was ordained a bishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church--an organization that also used this apostolic succession bit to provide "legitimacy". Their history page http://www.orccna.org/history.htm lists some of the apostolic succession.

Compare the two pages. They claim similar succession and history, making me wonder if they are essentially the same church with different names used.

At the top of the apostolic succession for Humble is James Ingall Wedgwood. According to Wikipedia:

Wedgwood was a homosexual with what he described as an "almost unbelievably strong" sexual urge (he once visited 18 public toilets in two hours, explaining to police that he had been "searching for a friend"), matched by a strong religious strain, and was dominated by those two fundamental, but often conflicting, drives. In 1919, together with several other priests and bishops of the Liberal Catholic Church, he came under investigation for homosexual activities involving boys.

Hmm...what does that remind me of...? :/
 
"Healing crisis"

Someone began to invent... Your will know how to identify symptoms.

http://www.askahealer.com/side-effects-of-mms.htm


In This MMS2 - 28% sodium chlorite, Purify water. or the Holy Water2?

"how to cure HIV and Cancer, is combining MMS1 and MMS2."
"We go to the store pool / pool nearest one and buy a bottle of calcium hypochlorite granules" you know, can throw in the pool, swim and drink from it.

(spanish) - http://loqueignoras.com/Forum/index.php?topic=279.0
(English) - http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm

Can not stand the taste? Add a bit of COCA-COLA! yeeah!


(Spanish) http://mms-salud.blogspot.com/2009/11/un-truco-para-mms.html

MMS has helped many people dramatically, but some have trouble taking high doses especially because of its taste and odor. A German lady has found a trick u good:

Coca Cola --- ---

It seems unbelievable but it works:

MMS is first mixed with the activator letting time pass until the end of the reaction (when yellow amber). Then fill the glass with cold water and finally add a just a "trickle" of cola to kill the taste. Done.

The tail refrecos contain phosphatic acid, its pH is 2.5 and works like leveling (buffer). Jim Humble says the carbon gas diminishes the effectiveness but not so as ClO2 does not react with carbon dioxide or bicarbonate.
Therefore this combination is very good to camouflage the taste very good (except people who can not take) and those who have problems with MMS at high doses for long periods.


well... apparently, you can link it to what most want. Junk food... dangerous symptoms, drink water from the toilet... In the church you may drink holy water and eat the candles... What Madness is ThiISs!? :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:
 
He's telling us all about himself by promoting this YCYOR, 'truth matters' stuff.

The Gentlerevolution(dot)com technology educates the child with a great deal our knowledge, but there are a few holes in this kind of education. I am totally open to discussions on the type of wisdom that we can add into the data to be given to these children that will really be wisdom and will not be forcing our short comings on them. Lets give them as much freedom as we can to finally make their own decisions and control their own future. After all, the libraries are full of our knowledge and our wisdom. They will be more able to use that information than any that have come before them. So let me suggest one thing, and there will be more, to be added to the knowledge given with the gentlerevolution.com technology. Again, in my opinion the following data should be used at this time in most schools and by most adults. Unfortunately it won’t be.

A mental program for the promotion of logical thought:
In my opinion this program should be taught in all schools at this time and that most adults could benefit from the use of this Logical Thought Program. I include it here so that you can see the benefit that could be obtain by being able to use this program in human affairs.

Instructions for use:
Anybody can think. That is almost a true statement, but just because you can think, does that mean you can solve any problem? How to think correctly and the tools that you use to think with are the subject of this program. The actual thinking program is listed below, but you must know how to use it. Information that any person should use, and of course children as well, is brought about by familiarity. The more you go over and repeat and consider understanding, the more able you are to use the data. Familiarity is what brings about understanding and use.

The following data must be entered into any mind as information used to think concerning any information or any situation. This is done by reading it again and again until it becomes a part of ones understanding. This is done with children and adults in the same way. It is repeated.

Datum 1.
I realize that beliefs are not necessarily the truth, and what one believes and what is the truth is not necessarily the same. I must always act in full knowledge of Datum 1.

Generally speaking, the human race does not know the difference between beliefs and truth. You may say at this point, “Well, I know the difference between a belief and the truth and most of the people I know, knows the difference.” Really, well then, why are there so many different religions on Earth, and so many different political ideals? The reason is, people think that their beliefs are the truth. At this writing there are some 50 wars going on somewhere on Earth. They are all the result of people fighting for what they believe is the truth. If they used Datum 1 the wars would be reduced to one or two, maybe three, or even zero.

Sorry, but I have not been able to find anybody that does not have beliefs that he thinks is the truth, and upon which he acts. I don’t know of anybody whose life would not be improved by simply following Datum. Most arguments between husbands and wives would be handled by Datum 1. Almost no one would go to court.

What is truth? For all practical purposes, and for day-to-day living the truth is what can be proven, practically. Proven in a court of law is good enough. It is really rather simple. If it’s the truth, you have evidence, logic, signed papers, witnesses, your own eyes, and the like. Or you do it, and it works. Use and read Datum 1 continuously until it is completely natural to you. If you are religious, keep in mind that what you believe may or may not be the truth. And as long as you realize this, you will never force your beliefs on others, nor will you be willing to kill to prove those beliefs, like many religions are doing now on Earth.

Datum 2.
All of my actions have consequences. It is impossible for me to create an action without bringing about some kind of a consequence.

At first Datum 2 sounds like a belief. The fact is, Datum 2 is the result of infallible logic. Example, if I don’t clean my back yard I eventually wind up with a dirty back yard. Example, if I clean my living room I can wind up with a clean living room. Example, if I continue to over eat sweets I will become fat. Example, if I act like an ass and treat my sister badly, eventually it will result in a bad situation for me. Example, if I steal a bicycle I will create a situation which is upsetting to me and stressful and which will react against me for years, even if I am not caught.

Datum 2 is an observation by hundreds of people over hundreds of years. The proof has been in the doing and it has been observed to happen by so many people that one can assume, for practical day-to-day living, that it is the truth.

My son learned this lesson when he was 4 years old. My wife noticed that a quarter was missing from her dresser top. She asked me to find out if one of the kids took the quarter. When I asked my son he shook his head no, he had not taken the quarter. I asked him again and he was most emphatic about it. No! But I saw something in his eyes. I said, “You have been feeling guilty about this all day haven’t you.” He immediately broke down and began crying." Yes,” he nodded his head up and down.

The guilt was the immediate reaction, but there would be more. He was lucky to have been caught. It was only a quarter. Not much. Nevertheless, to him it was a big thing. It could have lasted for months.

The person who robs a bank might get away with it if he is smart. That’s really a crazy untrue statement. The minute he leaves the bank, all men are set against him. One reaction is that there will be men searching for him. He must always worry about that next knock on the door. He will probably never know what happiness is this lifetime. Every statement he makes must be considered with that act of robbery in his mind. Every time he opens his mouth he must decided whether to lie or tell the truth. His life will be totally affected by his action and his thinking will be affected because of that action.

Your software for thinking about any situation should always contain, “(1) What is the truth of this, and (2) what reactions will this thing I am going to do create.”


Datum 3.
I realize that all creations in this universe are created by physical actions. Contrary to belief, nothing is created by thinking. Nothing happens until my thoughts bring about ACTIONS.

Thinking is necessary to determine the actions, but nothing happens until one makes an action. I realize I must do something to get something done.

There is much talk about manifesting things. That is making things happen by just thinking positive, at least that is what many believe. There are always those stories how this happened and that happened because, “I though positive about it.” There are hundreds of books written over the past century, but mostly since the sixties coming mostly from the flower children who didn’t want to work. These books always talked about manifesting things like money, manifesting a house to live in, or manifesting an automobile to have or drive, or manifesting anything you might want to talk about.

I have seen people spend a whole lifetime attempting to manifest their money, their living, the life. They all failed miserably and lived poor lives. So let me explain to you how it really works, how positive thinking really works to create a good life for you, and after you have read my explanation, then tell me if I am wrong.

Tomorrow morning, before you get out of bed think about the things you want to do during the day and think about how you want them to come out positively. Think about how you want things to come out for the next month, and mostly how you would really prefer things to happen. Think positively about how you want things to be, and how you want your body to feel.

Now that those positive things are in your mind, anytime during the day that a negative thought comes up, quickly switch to the positive creation that you made in your mind that morning. Maybe you thought about health that morning. You saw yourself feeling great and all of a sudden, you decide to drop by the health food store and buy a bottle of vitamins that you have been thinking about for the last two years. The positive creations in your mind put you into a positive mode and made you create a positive action. Maybe in the process, there was someone in the health food store whose subconscious mine meshed with yours and as you rounded a corner you bumped into them in the story and started a conversation. It could be that subconsciously they recognized your intentions and you recognized theirs.

Do you see? Your positive thoughts put positive pictures in your mind. The feelings and ideas resulting from the positive thoughts brought about positive actions from you. These actions, such as buying the vitamins and taking them, can result in better health and even a better life. But nothing happened because you thought. It began to happen once you acted.


Datum 4.
I create my life by my actions. My actions are a result of the choices I make. Any action that I take remains in my mind for a lifetime and longer.

The man who wrote the book “Think and Grow Rich” did something, he wrote a book. There are plenty books that tell you how to believe yourself into becoming rich. It seemed to work for the author, and it is a really popular idea. How to get something for nothing is always a popular idea. But the next thousand people who read the book don’t seem to be able to believe themselves into becoming rich. The answer is always, “They didn’t really believe it.” That is how to explain away why it didn’t work for the other 99.9% of the people.

There are a few people who seem to be able to do parlor tricks with their minds, but beyond parlor tricks, it takes action. If believing in something strong enough gets you to do some physical actions, then the belief might help you get something done, but there is no evidence that believing or any other kind of thinking causes things to happen directly.

For every example of such possibilities there are thousands of examples where thinking or believing did not get the job done. Twenty thousand people in Nagasaki believed that they would go home and have dinner that night, but they didn’t, because they were all dead. That was one city that was destroyed by an a-bomb. Millions of people believe in hundreds of different religions, but that does not make any one of those religions true (nor does it make them false).

I will admit that at times manifesting things does happen. You can influence people to a certain extent with your mind. And someone can even end up giving you something, but life is an exchange. When you get something for nothing it tends to put your exchange out of balance. No one makes manifesting work for long periods of time.

Your soft ware for thinking about any situation should always contain, “(1) What is the truth of this, and (2) what reactions will this thing I am going to do create.” And (3) Will this creation be positive or negative in my life? And (4) Do I choose to make this action.

No matter what is done, any action that you do remains in you mind and is part of the thinking of your mind. The more important the action, the more effect it has on your mind. That is an observable truth. You cannot escape the results of the things that you put into your mind. If you bullied a smaller person that action is in your mind and a part of your mind. You cannot escape it. The same condition exists with positive actions. These actions remain in your mind for a life time. They help you create positive thoughts and do positive deeds. On the other hand, your thoughts and imagination both good and bad are gone in a few hours, or days, or at least months. They have very little karmic effect on you.

One must then conclude that ones life is greatly affected by his actions, good or bad. Good actions create good reactions and negative actions create negative reactions. It is never an equal reaction, but rather it is like planting a seed that grows and produces more seeds. It isn’t that God will punish you, or even that you will punish yourself, it is simply what you do remains in your mind and your mind is what you must always work with.


Datum 5.
What I don’t know can kill me. I must always strive to find that knowledge that is related to my personal survival and well-being, and which is the most advanced in this society. I must always keep in mind that all products sold are not sold for my benefit, but rather the benefit of those selling the products.
The fact is, the cure for cancer, AIDS, and all other incurable diseases exist now in this society, but the majority of the people who contract such diseases die because they do not take the time to learn what really is available. People have been taught it is OK to believe lies, and thus they never learn the truth.

The world is full of people that will kill for $50 and it is naive to think that the drug companies would not kill for billions of dollars. They make billions from inefficient drugs and chemicals, and they refuse to look for foods and natural cures for illnesses. Medical doctors prescribe drugs 95% of the time or more for all of their patients problems.

Anyone who has a body should read a few books on alternate medicine or holistic medicine, until they have a pretty good idea of what really is available. The fact is, your very life depends upon it. It is wrong to believe medical lies as it can kill you, and lies kill more than 970,000 people using drugs every year in the US.

Datum 6.
It is extremely important that I always realize that in terms of living and surviving in this universe it is wrong to believe lies. Believing lies can result in my failure or in my death.

Keep in mind that all children are taught that it is OK to believe lies. That is the result of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Bugs Bunny, Fairies, Angels, and all the rest of the lies that children are taught and told to believe and expected to believe. But the time a child is 10 years old he as been expected to believe 100’s of different lies. The fact is children are not that dumb. They know a lie when they hear it, but they are expected to believe it, so life is easier and parents are simpler to get along with when the child goes ahead and believes the lies. Thus a person grows up believing many different lies, and thus he can die or fail by believing a lie when he really should determine the truth.

I keep control of my life by assigning responsibility to myself for all problems.

Maybe you were not loved when you were a child, and maybe a drunk did run a red light and slam into your car, and maybe your fourth grade teacher was not very good at teaching you math, and maybe the bigger kids did pick on you on the way home from school every evening, but blaming other people for these situations causes you to lose control. The fact is, you can simply take responsibility for all these situations and consequently you will have control.

It’s a matter of thinking properly. If the breaks on your car fail, instead of blaming your mechanic, start figuring how you can personally check those breaks from now on. You might sue the mechanic, but still, you can take responsibility for testing and checking, or paying someone to do so. If your friend steals your money, find out what you should have done different to prevent it. Realize that you are in charge of your life.

Accidents can be prevented by staying alert. “That isn’t possible,” most people will say, but the fact is, there are thousands of people in the US who have driven for 50 years without so much as a dented fender. Would you think that they are just lucky? Not really, they just pay better attention. If someone runs into you, simply realize that you were not driving defensively enough. That includes being hit from behind. If you get hit from behind you should have been watching behind as well as in front. There is a possibility that an accident occurs on occasions that cannot be helped, but it is rare. If your breaks fail and you have an accident, you shouldn’t have been driving with bad breaks.

The child that had a bad math teacher should have either gone to the library and found more books on math or requested another teacher, or got help from his parents. As long as an individual assigns the fault to someone else, he cannot fix the problem, but when he starts assigning responsibility to himself, he can always fix the problem . If you are a child that is not loved, you had better learn to act and treat people so that you are loved. As long as you assign the fault to your parents, you cannot fix your parents, but when you assign the fault to yourself, then you can do something about it. It is simply a viewpoint of life and a way of thinking.

This does not mean that you should start suffering guilt for things others do. For example the girl that is raped should not suffer guilt for it as many do, but she should realize that she can be much more aware and more careful in the future. The past cannot be changed, and thus one should never suffer guilt for a situation, but do not be mislead into thinking that any situation could not have been avoided. With the right awareness and carefulness any robbery or rape could be avoided and can be avoided in the future. It is very inappropriate for someone to try to point out to a rape victim that they could not have avoided it. That is the same thing as saying that they cannot avoid future rapes and neither is true.

So, you assign responsibility to yourself and then you are careful. You look at things with the idea of, “How can I be careful enough to make things go right today?” When you say, “My wife upset me this morning,” or “My boss made me mad,” or “My son made me late for work,” or any one of a thousand things that you believe was caused by someone else, you are allowing others to control your destiny. Instead say, “I allowed my wife to upset me this morning,” and “I kept allowing my son to control the situation until I was late for work,” and “I screwed up and made my boss upset and then allowed him to upset me. I must not allow myself to bring that about again.” As long as you take responsibility for the situation, then you can do something about it, but if you assign responsibility to someone else then you can do very little about it, since you are not in control of the “someone else.”

I need your help. The human race needs your help. If we take this step, if we educate our children to a higher level of intelligence with the capability of logical reasoning we can actually bring about the survival of the human race. Without this step the end of the human race is just about guaranteed. You don’t notice all of those who have what are considered incurable diseases. They are not incurable, but a diseases that will kill mankind my be created at any moment. And with all the things that are being leashed upon mankind, the one thing that will absolutely kill all of the human race is the natural disaster that is now due. In the course of the history of this planet over 50 natural disasters have occurred that would have killed all of mankind on this planet. None of those 50 disaster occurred since man has come on the scene.

However, as I said the next natural disaster is due. For example any large space asteroid, or comet could hit the earth and destroy all life here. A large volcano coming from the interior of the earth could destroy all life on Earth, but most likely it will be something that we never considered when it happens. If not a natural disaster, then man will destroy the environment. But even if non of these things ever happened mankind needs a higher intelligence simply to keep from killing himself. We need people who can think with logic. We need people who know that it is very dangerous to believe lies and who know for sure that it isn’t OK to believe a lie. And so I am asking you to help me help the human race to make the huge jump to the next level of evolution.

This is no small thing, it will be the most important happening in human history. So why should it start at a grass level that you and I are instead in some big laboratory somewhere. Well, why not. At this point it seems that we are the only ones who are interested in humankind. The big labs are all based on greed for money and power. They are, unfortunately, not there to benefit mankind.

The step to a higher level of intelligence will not happen all at once. Only a few will start. As more such children are educated, more be will be started. Probably it will take less than 1% of our population to create world peace. I have thought about a name that will not create fear and envy and distrust in men’s minds. You may not like this name at first, but remember we must keep a very low key. I make this suggestion, but I am willing to hear suggestions if anyone has a good idea. Mean while I will call the new children, even those who are in the educational steps the “Beloved children.” And they will grow into the “Beloved people.”

It’s not that I am into love without question, or love without end, or any of that kind of thing. Those who preached love brought nothing but death and destruction to mankind.

The first few generations of these children will no doubt help a little but let us hope that our generation will be able to hold the world together until these children become of age. We are going to have to trust the Beloved Children. They will be the first people on Earth to have ever been educated to not believe lies, and to think with logic. They will be far beyond our level of logic, but we will still be able to understand them, as they will present us with truth. It is our job to see that they are properly educated, because they will be humanity’s future. The future of the human race will depend upon them.

I hope you will consider helping out in some way, no matter how small. We don’t want to make a big splash in society. We need to start out quietly, convincing parents that their children will have a better future if they will allow them to have a much higher IQ and allow them to understand logic and truth. To just give a child a high IQ but to allow him to still believe lies is a disaster. I have known a few geniuses who still believed lies and their lives were generally a disaster. One such person allowed himself to be treated for cancer by doctors who practiced surgery on him. He was very smart, and soon knew more than the doctors about the surgery, but he still bought the lies. Another friend, a genius, destroyed his happiness because he told constant lies and ruined a number of lives. He also believed many lies.

Whether a person becomes a genius or not is not the most important part of this idea. The most important part is that they are not lied to from zero to 10 years of age. The important part is that they are never lied to and that every piece of data given to them from zero to 10 years of age is the strictest truth that we can find to give to them in the language that they can understand at the age they happen to be. If you want to restrict a child’s intelligence, just start saying to him, “You are to young to understand that now.” That is always a lie, but you make him believe it. He believes the lie, he decides it is true, because you said it, and he restricts his intelligence to match his belief. Maybe just a little bit at first, but if it happens many times over 10 years it becomes a truth, because he believes it. You restrict a child’s intelligence by inference. For example, a child is allowed to get up and leave his room and never clean it nor fix his bed. He soon believes he isn’t big enough to do so of old enough to take care of the room. He believes lies. He really can be taught to do those things.

As time goes by we will need large amounts of money to help parents afford this education for their children, and also to help induce parents to allow this kind of education. We will need money for advertising and many aspects of this program. I have a method already in the works to get the money. Things are moving slowly forward, but I cannot do this without you help. There are a lot of ways to spend your life and to spend your retirement, but there will be nothing more rewarding than helping mankind to survive, to see that mankind does not die. Realize that your future lives will also generally be here, so you are creating a place to which you will return. If mankind dies, there may be no place for us to return.

One of the most important things would be for you to become part of a list of people who are teaching their children with this method. That you have a child that will someday have an IQ of 200 or more. A child that will become part of Earth’s future. A child that will make a difference.
_http://jimhumble.biz/biz-worldpeace.htm (Spreading MMS Across the World with your Help) :scared:
 
Burma Jones said:
Here is an interesting thread to pull on. According to http://www.originalchurch.org/apostolic-succession/apostolic-succession-two.htm Humble was ordained a bishop of Spiritis Church. The page lists the apostolic succession, which got me to scratching my head a bit. David Ferrie (of JFK assassination fame) was ordained a bishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church--an organization that also used this apostolic succession bit to provide "legitimacy". Their history page http://www.orccna.org/history.htm lists some of the apostolic succession.

Compare the two pages. They claim similar succession and history, making me wonder if they are essentially the same church with different names used.

At the top of the apostolic succession for Humble is James Ingall Wedgwood. According to Wikipedia:

Wedgwood was a homosexual with what he described as an "almost unbelievably strong" sexual urge (he once visited 18 public toilets in two hours, explaining to police that he had been "searching for a friend"), matched by a strong religious strain, and was dominated by those two fundamental, but often conflicting, drives. In 1919, together with several other priests and bishops of the Liberal Catholic Church, he came under investigation for homosexual activities involving boys.

Hmm...what does that remind me of...? :/

As I was reading Humbles promotion of 'save the world with datum' blog, it occurred to me that the organization SEEMED overly preoccupied with children.
_http://www.iahp.org/Glenn-Doman-Founder.270.0.html

Fox News Digs them
_http://www.iahp.org/View-Us-On-FOX.380.0.html

Here's Wiki's summary of the organization.
History

Founded in 1955, the Institutes for The Achievement of Human Potential (IAHP, also known as "The Institutes") is located in a suburb of northwest Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The founder, Glenn Doman (a physical therapist), together with Carl Delacato (an educational psychologist), developed an approach to treating children with brain injury, published in 1960 in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).[3] Their work drew heavily on the ideas of Temple Fay (a neurophysiologist), who was head of the Department of Neurosurgery at Temple University Medical School and president of the Philadelphia Neurological Society.[4] Fay believed that the infant brain evolves (as with evolution of the species) through stages of development similar to a fish, a reptile, a mammal and finally a human. This idea, encapsulated as "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", also known as the recapitulation theory, is considered obsolete by modern mainstream biologists.[5] The IAHP claim that brain injury at a given level of neurological development prevents further progress.[6] The IAHP states that its therapies are based on the theory of neuroplasticity, or the brain’s inherent ability to grow both functionally and anatomically. It claims that traditional medicine has attempted to treat brain injured children by medicating them, and that such medications can have negative side effects.[7] The IAHP claims that due to neuroplasticity, their programs of increased sensory stimulation can actually physically grow the brain and produce improved neurological function in their patients. Another aspect of the IAHP's theories is that a lack of oxygen to the brain is a key cause of many problems in brain-injured children. The IAHP asserts that their program includes techniques that improve this oxygen supply, and that increased oxygen to the brain will help their patients recover.[citation needed]

Glenn Doman published the book What To Do About Your Brain-Injured Child[8] in 1974, which describes the ideas and techniques used by IAHP. The subtitle of the book or your Brain-damaged, Mentally Retarded, Mentally Deficient, Cerebral-Palsied, Epileptic, Autistic, Athetoid, Hyperactive, Attention Deficit Disordered, Developmentally Delayed, Down’s Child lists the many conditions the author regards as being encompassed by "brain injured" – the term favoured by IAHP. Since 1964, Glen Doman (later also Janet and Douglas Doman) has published a number of books in the "Gentle Revolution Series", a line of books for parents of normal children, covering topics such as reading,[9] math,[10] intelligence,[11] and swimming.[12] Programs for "well children" are a significant aspect of the IAHP's promotional material, literature and web site.
[edit] IAHP Programs
[edit] Programs for brain-injured children

Before initiation of an IAHP program with their "brain-injured" children, parents attend a five day seminar that the IAHP presents called the "What To Do About Your Brain-Injured Child Course". The IAHP states that this course gives a good basis of understanding of their programs to parents.[13] This course is presented in Philadelphia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, and Singapore.[14]

The program for "brain-injured" children includes:

* Patterning – manipulation of limbs and head in a rhythmic fashion
* Crawling – forward bodily movement with the abdomen in contact with the floor
* Creeping – forward bodily movement with the abdomen raised from the floor
* Receptive stimulation – visual, tactile and auditory stimulation
* Expressive activities – e.g. picking up objects
* Masking – breathing into a rebreathing mask to increase the amount of carbon dioxide inhaled, which is believed to increase cerebral blood flow
* Brachiation – swinging from a bar or vertical ladder
* Gravity/Antigravity activities – rolling, somersaulting and hanging upside down.

(The above is taken from Understanding Mental Retardation, page 185-186.)[15]

The program is highly intensive and designed to be used by a parent full-time at home. Patterning is perhaps the key technique. IAHP state "if we have to put everything we do on one hook, patterning is really not a bad place to hang our hat"[16] and "that if these patterns were applied rigorously, on a specific schedule, and done with a religious zeal, brain-injured kids improved." The IAHP have their own Developmental Profile that is used to measure the degree of ability and disability of a child as well as monitoring progress. They believe the order of brain development occurs as higher brain stages are successively brought into play.[17]
[edit] Programs for well children

The IAHP also provides programs and literature to the parents of well children. Glenn Doman believes that because the neurological development of brain injured children could be speeded, that the same should be true of well children. The IAHP provides a series of books and early education kits called the "Gentle Revolution Series", which state that their use will accelerate development of well children. For example, one program is "How to teach your baby to read".[citation needed]

The IAHP teaches a week-long seminar called the "How To Multiply Your Baby's Intelligence Course", which provides demonstrations of children taught with the IAHP's methods. The IAHP claims that at the course, "parents learn how to teach their children to read, how to learn a foreign language...mathematics, and music appreciation. Parents learn about sensory and motor development and the fundamentals of a good nutritional program for the family."[18]
[edit] Epilepsy treatment

The IAHP requires that all brain-injured children be gradually weaned off anticonvulsants. They claim that seizures are a "natural reflex defense response to a lethal threat to the brain",[19] but that the seizures themselves are not directly harmful to the brain. Instead of placing children on anticonvulsant medications, the IAHP claims that resources should be directed at "developing methods and bioactive agents that promote neuroplasticity", the brain's ability to grow and change.[19][20] The IAHP asserts that status epilepticus can be caused by anticonvulsants and may be best left untreated by them. Instead, they believe that seizures can be reduced or eliminated by a "masking" program, which they claim periodically reduces oxygen intake and increases carbon dioxide intake. The IAHP also claims that seizures can be reduced by decreasing intake of salt and fluids, supplements of magnesium calcium and pyridoxine, and a healthy diet and environment.[21]
[edit] Scientific evaluation

The American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Children With Disabilities issued warnings regarding patterning, one of the IAHP's therapies for brain injured children, as early as 1968[22] and repeated in 1982.[23] Their latest cautionary policy statement was in 1999, which was reaffirmed in 2002 and 2005. It stated:[2]

This statement reviews patterning as a treatment for children with neurologic impairments. This treatment is based on an outmoded and oversimplified theory of brain development. Current information does not support the claims of proponents that this treatment is efficacious, and its use continues to be unwarranted.... [T]he demands and expectations placed on families are so great that in some cases their financial resources may be depleted substantially and parental and sibling relationships could be stressed.

Since 1960 the IAHP has published multiple studies professing to show the effectiveness of the program. These studies, upon review, have not stood up to scientific scrutiny and have not been reproduced by other sources.[24] In 1978, Sara Sparrow (professor emerita and senior research scientist at Yale Child Study Center)[25] and Edward Zigler (professor emeritus at the Department of Psychology at Yale University,[26] one of the principle architects of the US federal Head Start program and recipient of the 2008 APA Award For Outstanding Lifetime Contribution To Psychology)[27] evaluated patterning as a treatment for retarded children. They concluded that no evidence was found for an improvement over that which would be expected of children given attention or that expected of any child as they mature; the patterning method cannot be recommended for seriously retarded children.[28] Zigler wrote a 1981 editorial entitled "A plea to end the use of the patterning treatment for retarded children", which emphasized the harmful effect the treatment has by raising false hopes and increasing parental guilt.[24][29] According to Edward Zigler and Robert Hodapp, in their book Understanding Mental Retardation, the Doman-Delacto method has major flaws:[15]

* The recapitulation theory it is built upon has been discarded by the natural sciences.
* The suggestion that motor development has stages, which depend on earlier developments, is not supported by evidence.
* There is no evidence that passive movements by a child, forced to engage in crawling movements, affects neurological organization.
* Children who voluntarily perform an activity (such as sitting or walking) before mastering preceding stages, are prevented from doing so by the IAHP—possibly harming the child.
* The only scientific paper published by Doman on patterning (in 1960) contains many methodological errors and overstatements of findings. The study had no control group so was unable to compare with children who would naturally show some developmental progress over time. When independent scientists compared the results with the progress made by untreated children, the "results of patterning appear singularly unimpressive".
* The patterning procedure may be harmful to its participants (the parents experience guilt at being unable to achieve the intensive program required) and other family members through neglect.
* It is cruel to offer hope through a program that is impossible to fully carry out.

In addition to the American Academy of Pediatrics, a number of other organizations have issued cautionary statements about claims for efficacy of this therapy.[2] These include the executive committee of the American Academy for Cerebral Palsy,[30] the United Cerebral Palsy Association of Texas,[31] the Canadian Association for Retarded Children[32] the executive board of the American Academy of Neurology,[33] and the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation.[34]

A 2006 retrospective study of 21 children by the IAHP and others of children with cortical visual impairment found significant improvement after use of the program; the study had no control group and has not been replicated.[35]

Kathleen Ann Quill, in her book Teaching children with autism: What parents want,[36] says "thousands of families have wasted time and money to follow Doman's methods." She goes on to say "Professionals have nothing to learn from Doman's pseudoscientific treatments, but they have plenty to learn from his marketing strategy", which is aimed at parent's "hopes and fantasies".

Martha Farrell Erickson and Karen Marie Kurz-Riemer discuss Early Intervention with "Normal Infants and Toddlers" in their book "Infants Toddlers and Families".[37] They claim Doman "capitalized on the desires of members of the "baby boom" generation to maximise their children's intellectual potential" and "encouraged parents to push their infants to develop maximum brain power". However his programs were "based on shaky or nonexistent research evidence" and "most child development experts at the time described many aspects of the program as useless and perhaps even harmful."

Martin Robards also cites widespread criticism in his book Running a Team for Disabled Children and Their Families[1] but concedes that Doman and Delacato caused paediatricians and therapists to recognize that early intervention programs are needed.

Steven Novella, assistant professor of Neurology at Yale University School of Medicine, criticized the technique as follows:[38]

The Doman-Delacato patterning technique is premised on a bankrupt and discarded theory and has failed when tested under controlled conditions. Its promotion with unsubstantiated claims can cause significant financial and emotional damage. Such claims can instill false hope in many people who are already plagued by guilt and depression, setting them up for a further disappointment, guilt, and feelings of inadequacy. The process can also waste their time, energy, emotion, and money. These resources may be taken away from their children. Parents can also be distracted from dealing with the situation in other practical ways and coping psychologically as a family with the reality of having a brain-injured or mentally retarded child. Parents are encouraged, in fact, to remain in a state of denial while they are pursuing a false cure.[38]

[edit] Notable supporters

A few notable individuals have expressed support for the IAHP. Linus Pauling presented a talk on the "Orthomolecular enhancement of human development" in 1978 at a conference on human neurological development co-sponsored by the IAHP. In his opening remarks, he praised his hosts: "I admire the work that has been done in these Institutes very much. I know that considerable emphasis is placed on good nutrition for the people who come to the Institutes and that large doses of vitamin C are given to them."[39] Anthropologist Raymond Dart spent the last 20 years of his life dividing his time between South Africa and the IAHP. Dart supported the "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" premise behind the IAHP's work. Dart stated that "the development of the individual does, indeed, recapitulate the evolution of the species."[40] Liza Minnelli served on their board of directors for some time[41] and appeared in their commercials.[42]
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Menrva said:
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One of the most important things would be for you to become part of a list of people who are teaching their children with this method. That you have a child that will someday have an IQ of 200 or more. A child that will become part of Earth’s future. A child that will make a difference.
_http://jimhumble.biz/biz-worldpeace.htm (Spreading MMS Across the World with your Help) :scared:

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As he himself said ... "People are accustomed to believe the lies and defend what they believe are their truths." Interesting as a person can be stuck in the illusion by pure logic, speaking the truth and not really be the true what he says. but the main ingredient. give them what they want.
and if they can get what they want, just thinking about it. Everyone is working by his side... when them join... well, sure it will bring news changes and news challenges... jeje
 
Unfortunately, Jim Humble isn't the only person behind this scam. There are several dubious organizations..... http://www.malariainitiative.com/

This website does not mention Jim Humble by name, but they claim their cure was discovered by "A modern gold prospecting geologist"...... http://www.malariasolution.org/

Interesting to note is that on this website they list raisingmalawi.com as a "partner". Raisingmalawi, which is a legitimate charity set up by Madonna....

READ ALL HERE: http://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/home/fraud-organizations
 
Menrva said:
Burma Jones said:
Here is an interesting thread to pull on. According to _http://www.originalchurch.org/apostolic-succession/apostolic-succession-two.htm Humble was ordained a bishop of Spiritis Church. The page lists the apostolic succession, which got me to scratching my head a bit. David Ferrie (of JFK assassination fame) was ordained a bishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church--an organization that also used this apostolic succession bit to provide "legitimacy". Their history page _http://www.orccna.org/history.htm lists some of the apostolic succession.

Compare the two pages. They claim similar succession and history, making me wonder if they are essentially the same church with different names used.

At the top of the apostolic succession for Humble is James Ingall Wedgwood. According to Wikipedia:

Wedgwood was a homosexual with what he described as an "almost unbelievably strong" sexual urge (he once visited 18 public toilets in two hours, explaining to police that he had been "searching for a friend"), matched by a strong religious strain, and was dominated by those two fundamental, but often conflicting, drives. In 1919, together with several other priests and bishops of the Liberal Catholic Church, he came under investigation for homosexual activities involving boys.

Hmm...what does that remind me of...? :/

As I was reading Humbles promotion of 'save the world with datum' blog, it occurred to me that the organization SEEMED overly preoccupied with children.
_http://www.iahp.org/Glenn-Doman-Founder.270.0.html

Fox News Digs them
_http://www.iahp.org/View-Us-On-FOX.380.0.html

Here's Wiki's summary of the organization.
History

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indeed, recapitulate the evolution of the species."[40] Liza Minnelli served on their board of directors for some time[41] and appeared in their commercials.[42]
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Hi Jim,

Want to keep this short, but in your 2nd book section, you mentioned to let you know if DMSO helps and how. I'm an IBS sufferer with nearly COMPLETE lack of ANY SYMPTOMS after about a month of MMS. I'm dosing 15 drops AMMS with 10 drops DMSO, activated by Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar and apple juice to kill the taste. I'm taking this dose 1-3 times per day, and taking my vitamins in morning, then starting the AMMS/DMSO in the late afternoon. I didn't get "deep enough" until I started the DMSO but have had many unexpected health benefits since.

Also, your letter to "Doctor" Mark Sircus was very informative, but I want to tell you that he's a complete FRAUD and has never helped anyone but himself (to other people's wallets) When I saw his name as an AMMS critic, I was truly DISGUSTED as this creep (Sircus) has a history of sexual perversion and hanging around disabled children's Health Forums , trying to get beleaguered parents interested in his offshore "clinic".

We're all still trying to guess what wonderful effects the world will gain by your generosity in releasing the MMS invention to public domain, but my guess is that you'll be rewarded in kind someday, perhaps many times over.

As Ronald Reagan said, "It's amazing what you can accomplish, if you don't care who gets the credit."

John


_http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1104365
 
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