Re: Miracle Mineral Solution-Chlorine Dioxide
Menrva said:
Rabelais said:
Having investigated MMS, a few years ago, when it became the darling panacea cure-all of the internet, I found no, none, zero credible science to back any of Humble's somewhat extravagant claims.
Can you post what you found in your research?
MMS is good for some things and Silver is too. It's not an either/or situation as Anart pointed out. Your post really sounds like a sales job, Rabelais. Have you read Jim Humble's books?
My point was that I found nothing. There was, at that time, no science anywhere to support any of Humble's claims. There may be now and it's reassuring to read here that some of you are receiving benefits from this product. And yes, I read his free ebook. It was what made me suspicious initially.
Insofar as a sales job, yeah, guilty as charged, and even sometimes the emotional horse starts driving my cart. There is a lot of valid scientific fact about the American Biotech Labs (ABL) products that needs to be known by a wider demographic. Humble's "Miracle" seems to me just so much noise obscuring the signal.
Humble's list of diseases, that MMS is claimed to treat, is very similar to the wide variety of ailments that American Biotech has credible science supporting proof positive that they can and do cure... in the petri dish, in lab animals and in humans. It is in the US Congressional record, as well as the US Patents. My website has quite a bit of it online.
From US Patent #7,135,195
Holladay , et al. November 14, 2006
15. Data Summary
The following table contains a summary of the above results in terms of the effects of the inventive silver composition on a wide variety of microbes and human diseases. In some cases, the data presented in the table is not repeated above. However, the results were obtained using the procedures explained above so that one of ordinary skill in the art can readily replicated the results.
Human Diseases Cured By and Pathogens Killed by the Inventive Silver Composition:
TABLE-US-00021 Disease Pathogen Effective Concentration Boils Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 5 ppm Osteomyelitis Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 5 ppm Bacillary Dysentery Shigella boydii Killed @ 2.5 ppm Burn Infections Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Dental Plaque Streptococcus mutans Killed @ 5 ppm Diarrhea (Bloody) Shigella boydii Killed @ 2.5 ppm Diarrhea Escherichia coli Killed @ 2.5 ppm Ear Infection Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Ear Infection Streptococcus pneumonie Killed @ 2.5 ppm Enteric Fever Salmonella tyhimurium Killed @ 2.5 ppm Epiglottitis (In children) Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Eye Infections Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 5 ppm Corneal Ulcers-Keratitis Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Food Poisoning Salmonella arizona Killed @ 5 ppm Food Poisoning Salmonella tyhimurium Killed @ 2.5 ppm Food Poisoning Escherichia coli Killed @ 2.5 ppm Endocarditis Streptococcus faecalis Killed @ 2.5 ppm Endocarditis Streptococcus gordonii Killed @ 5 ppm Meningitis Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Meningitis Enterobacter aerogenes Killed @ 2.5 ppm Meningitis Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Meningitis Streptococcus pneumonie Killed @ 2.5 ppm Nosocomial Infections Klebsiella pneumoniae Killed @ 2.5 ppm Nosocomial Infections Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Nosocomial Infections (From Streptococcus pyogenes Killed @ 1.25 ppm hospitals) Pneumonia Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 5 ppm Pneumonia Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Pneumonia Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Pneumonia Streptococcus pneumonie Killed @ 2.5 ppm Respiratory Tract Infections Streptococcus pyogenes Killed @ 1.25 ppm Respiratory Tract Infections E. coli Killed @ 2.5 ppm,, Respiratory Tract Infections Klebsiella pneumoniae Killed @ 2.5 ppm Scarlet Fever Streptococcus pyogenes Killed @ 1.25 ppm Septicemia Enterobacter aerpyogenes Killed @ 2.5 ppm Sinus Infections Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Sinusitis Streptococcus pneumonie Killed @ 2.5 ppm Impetigo Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 1.25 ppm Skin Infections Staphylococcus aureus Killed @ 5 ppm Skin Infections Streptococcus pyogenes Killed @ 1.25 ppm Strep Throat Streptococcus pyogenes Killed @ 1.25 ppm Suppurative Arthritis Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Throat Infections Haemophilus influenzae Killed @ 1.25 ppm Tooth Decay Streptococcus mutans Killed @ 5 ppm Urethritis (Men) Trichomonas vaginalis Killed @ 10 ppm Urinary Tract Infections E. coli Killed @ 2.5 ppm Urinary Tract Infections Klebsiella pneumoniae Killed @ 2.5 ppm Urinary Tract Infections Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Urinary Tract Infections Streptococcus faecalis Killed @ 2.5 ppm Urinary Tract Infections Enterobacter aerpyogenes Killed @ 2.5 ppm Vaginitis (Women) Trichomonas vaginalis Killed @ 10 ppm Wound Infections Escherichia coli Killed @ 2.5 ppm Wound Infections Enterobacter aerpyogenes Killed @ 2.5 ppm Wound Infections Klebsiella pneumoniae Killed @ 2.5 ppm Wound Infections Pseudomonas aeruginosa Killed @ 5 ppm Wound Infections Streptococcus faecalis Killed @ 2.5 ppm Yeast Infections Candida albicans Killed @ 10 ppm
This is only a partial list of the accumulated science, to date, regarding the clinical observations, in vivo and in vitro, as well as clinical human observations of infectious diseases successfully treated with this specific silver preparation. The protocols for the above claims are included in the patent and can be read here: http://tinyurl.com/yceqd6
Links to the other patents held by ABL, and their disease claims, can be found at our website page, here _http://www.lifesilver.com/approvals.htm
One cannot make these claims in applications for patents, EPA approvals or FDA approvals without some very credible independent science attached. I am affiliated with the only silver supplement manufacturer who has ever accumulated the level of scientific documentation necessary for 3 US Patents, 4 EPA approvals as well as the EPA pesticide certificate and most recently, 2 FDA approvals for topical wound and burn treatment with the nanosilver gels.
One does not have to buy these products from our endeavor, as they are available in most health food stores and vitamin shops, under a variety of private label MLM names and the two corporate brands, ASAP and Silver Biotics. Those who choose to shop from our website allow us the capital to provide these products to the residents of the SOTT chateau, free of charge. We also will respond to just about any request for assistance from the forum members. We have tried to operate in as near STO environment as is possible, for a business enterprise, at this point in space and time.
Menrva said:
As far as research in support of MMS, Humble wrote the following:
Jim Humble said:
Chapter 19- Research Needed
Of course research is need, billions of dollars worth of research. We must know what is the maximum dose for every
kind of disease that exists. We must know when to use it intravenously and when not to. We must
know when it will cure cancer and when it will not. We must know if there are any bacterial diseases or virus diseases that it is not effective against and why. We only know, at this point, that it cures many things. The amount of knowledge is a tiny bit of what we should know.
Anyone interested in research should contact me. Up to this point I have the most experience with the MMS, however, there is no doubt that many medical men will know more about it than me after I describe what I know to them. Medical men and alternate medicine people need to begin working with it, as many lives can be saved and much suffering can be alleviated. I am definitely willing to tell all I can to anyone doing research.
The drug companies have a great deal of technology that could be used with the MMS. One important research would be to develop carriers that can carry the chlorine dioxide deeper into the body before it is released. Thus possibly getting to some of those incurable diseases that have not been touched so far (as far as we know). However, the chances of getting the drug companies to do such a thing are very slim. Their thinking has always been to make the patient feel more comfortable by eliminate some or most of the symptoms, because that will never cure the patient and thus you can continue to sell the drug for a long time. I suppose we couldn’t keep them from improving the formula if they decided to do so. But they don’t deserve to do so because they will sell the results as some sort of drugs for hundreds or thousands of dollars.
We’ll see how that works out. I know that there are those who are doing a certain amount of research at this
time. I hope they will keep it up and maybe help inform the public. If you have read Chapter 13 you do know that there is some research going on or maybe by the time this book is published that phase of the research will be completed.
The above is not without hyperbole. It does not require "billions of dollars" of research to establish cytotoxicity safety studies, and if MMS is as effective as claimed, universities and individual researchers will flock to it to see if it assists their specific fields of research. All that need be done is make it available to those researchers who ask. This is how ABL did it with the silver sols. It would seem that Humble's first responsibility would be to determine, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the safety margins of his product.
There will be out of pocket expenses for required studies needed for certain governmental approvals applications. For example, the FDA will not accept applications that do not have an LD50 study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50 . This is a study wherein the lethal dose of a product is determined.
Humble will have to come up with that, but for the most part, if his product is as good as claimed, science will beat a path to his door. Humble's claim; "This is the most effective medicine
that has ever been invented up to this time." I find completely without merit in light of the total absence of any supporting evidence. This is the sort of nonsense that tweaks me. I apologize to all who found my initial response to this thread, uh, caustic. That was not my intent, but the horse jacked the cart.
Yes, there are cost effective natural and safe alternative therapies to treat illness. There is usually some research, somewhere, to support them.
Anyone who would like to see evidence that the nanosilver products, that I attempt to educate about, really are the safest and broadest spectrum antimicrobials currently known, you can go to the ABL research page and read through the various studies available there. They range from the medically frivolous - extending the life of cut flowers in the vase, to documented cures for malaria and resistant tuberculosis, etc., as well as water treatment and extensive safety documentation.
_http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com/researchprotected/researchmenu.html
A password will be required to open the majority of these files. It is 941445
Until such time as Humble, or anyone, produces one bit of credible science to back any of his claims, I remain highly skeptical of MMS. Before hitting post, I did another search for some positive science supporting MMS. Still nothing.
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