Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Lumiere_du_Code

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Place of falling of the Boeing. Day third
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMw8IvFR_4

Place of falling of the Boeing. Day second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obeYJnPjTBI

The international commissions STILL DIDN'T ARRIVE TO the CRASH PLACE. They sit in Kiev and DO NOT go there.
question: they WANT to know the truth, or NOT?
 

c.a.

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Laura said:
In the recently released 1st volume of the Cs' transcripts, annotated, there is this passage and my notes:

Ukraine explosion; chemical or nuclear. [1] Hawaii crash; aviation, possibly involving military. [2] More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. “Time” is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. [3] Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside. [4]
I do think these are marker events.
Off topic.
The amount of economic pressure this state is feeling has become a huge concern, for family's, and business's.

The continued, and ever increasing "exodus" of those whom become aware and are taking action.

Some examples given below of the anxiety of it's condition.

Toyota's Planned Departure Points To California's Reportedly Unfriendly Attitude Towards Businesses
Apr 28, 2014
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-HD0Oyhd9s

Stephen Moore: California is Crushing the Middle Class
Published on Mar 2, 2014
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ0A9swPHT0

Fault Lines - California in Crisis
Jan 23, 2013
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7M-JGmdGN0

Tale of California's Two Economies
Oct 10, 2013
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmo7nd6IRyw

California on the Brink of Pension Crisis and It's About to Get Bigger
Jun 12, 2013
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_GvS6NhrZk

Economic Collapse: California Man Flees to Arizona
Dec 29, 2012
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkBdT-TC1cE

I left in 2008. Economics, was defensibly one of the main causes.

It all seems like it has been deliberately set up to fall.
 

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Scottie

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Downing of MH17 compared to WWII submarine attack

I thought that was rather interesting. I just started watching Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, and the first episode is about WWII. It was kinda curious that back then, the Ukraine was kind of a turning point after which all hell broke loose.

And now? Well...

We've got Nazis again, Axis Powers, a powerful Russia (with a much smarter leader this time), etc.

Same song, different verse.
 

loreta

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Mr. Scott said:
Downing of MH17 compared to WWII submarine attack

I thought that was rather interesting. I just started watching Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, and the first episode is about WWII. It was kinda curious that back then, the Ukraine was kind of a turning point after which all hell broke loose.

And now? Well...

We've got Nazis again, Axis Powers, a powerful Russia (with a much smarter leader this time), etc.

Same song, different verse.
How fascinating. Everything returns. and now we are in the same position that our ancestors as if we need to learn and learn and learn what they did not learn. But this article is not available if you don't are subscribed. Can you put it here for us? If it is possible. Thanks.
 

Beau

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loreta said:
How fascinating. Everything returns. and now we are in the same position that our ancestors as if we need to learn and learn and learn what they did not learn. But this article is not available if you don't are subscribed. Can you put it here for us? If it is possible. Thanks.
Easiest way to get around those is to search google with the article title. When you go through google, for some reason the subscriber wall doesn't appear. Here's the full article:

AIR routes in the eastern Ukraine were shut down yesterday after the shock destruction of ­Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 from a missile attack, but questions remain about whether authorities should have closed the route sooner.

Europe’s Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had informed it that routes through Dnipropetrovsk Flight Information Region (FIR) were closed until further notice and flight plans filed for the routes were now being ­rejected.

The influential Flight Safety Foundation has already called for an immediate independent international investigation into the ­incident and there are calls for a new body to better estimate the risk posed by global trouble spots.

University of Central Queensland aviation specialist Ron Bishop, who spent 23 years with US Air Force special operations, said a better notification system for global hotspots was needed.

“We would never fly over North Korea so we need to probably work that out … is it worth the risk,’’ he said.

“This is very similar to World War I and World War II when the submarines used to take out the passenger liners, and as we go forward I think we’re going to see more things like this.’’

By the time authorities acted to close the airspace, the MH17 crash had already prompted carriers such as Singapore Airlines and Thai Airways International to announce they would take alternate routes and Delta Air Lines said it had stopped flying through Ukrainian airspace because of “an abundance of caution’’.

But some airlines, such as British Airways and Air France, had been avoiding the airspace for some time.

Flight paths

BA, citing safety,said it was not using Ukrainian airspace with the exception of a daily London-Kiev service, where the destination was several hundred kilometres from the crash site.

The Dnipropetrovsk routes had been shut below 32,000ft because of the fighting but at 33,000ft, the full Malaysian Boeing 777 had been considered above the danger zone. It was also outside restricted airspace around the Crimean city of Simferopol, where potential conflicts between the Ukraine and Russia over who controlled the airspace had created a safety issue.

It was this conflict that prompted the US Federal Aviation Administration to issue on April 3 a widely quoted Notice to Airmen, or NOTAM, prohibiting US flight operations over the Crimea and areas adjacent to the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.

But the NOTAMs did not cover the airspace where MH17 crashed and none of the warnings referred to potential missile attacks. Instead, it was the competing claims about who “owned’ the airspace that was seen as the safety issue.

Airlines prefer to fly a great circle route, which is generally the shortest distance between the departure point and a destination.

The corridor through Ukraine is a popular one for airlines flying between Europe and Asia, used by about 300 flights a day.

Flight plans are influenced by the need to remain in controlled airspace throughout the journey and also to avoid prohibited, restricted or danger areas.

Airlines also consider whether a plan is the shortest route possible while avoiding safety issues, the level of service provided by air traffic control and the fees they charge.

“That is not a factor that would influence an airline to fly one route or another if there is a safety issue,’’ an international expert in air traffic control said. “But it would affect their decision to fly one route or another if all of safety issues are negated and it then became a question of what an ATM will charge for services versus how much fuel they are going to burn.”

Some airlines would also have been worried about the risk of “short notice closure’’ .

“One of the reasons that airlines will decide to fly around that airspace is not because they thought they’re going to get shot down, it’s because they don’t want to rearrange their flight plans at short notice if the airspace suddenly closes,’’ the expert said.

MH17 was one of four aircraft, including a Singapore Airlines Boeing 777 and an Air India Boeing 787, in the area when it was shot down. Qantas, which has used the route in the past, was not involved because it has been flying about 400 nautical miles to the south of the Ukraine since moving its ­European hub to Dubai.
 

loreta

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Heimdallr said:
loreta said:
How fascinating. Everything returns. and now we are in the same position that our ancestors as if we need to learn and learn and learn what they did not learn. But this article is not available if you don't are subscribed. Can you put it here for us? If it is possible. Thanks.
Easiest way to get around those is to search google with the article title. When you go through google, for some reason the subscriber wall doesn't appear. Here's the full article:

AIR routes in the eastern Ukraine were shut down yesterday after the shock destruction of ­Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 from a missile attack, but questions remain about whether authorities should have closed the route sooner.

Europe’s Eurocontrol said Ukrainian authorities had informed it that routes through Dnipropetrovsk Flight Information Region (FIR) were closed until further notice and flight plans filed for the routes were now being ­rejected.

The influential Flight Safety Foundation has already called for an immediate independent international investigation into the ­incident and there are calls for a new body to better estimate the risk posed by global trouble spots.

University of Central Queensland aviation specialist Ron Bishop, who spent 23 years with US Air Force special operations, said a better notification system for global hotspots was needed.

“We would never fly over North Korea so we need to probably work that out … is it worth the risk,’’ he said.

“This is very similar to World War I and World War II when the submarines used to take out the passenger liners, and as we go forward I think we’re going to see more things like this.’’

By the time authorities acted to close the airspace, the MH17 crash had already prompted carriers such as Singapore Airlines and Thai Airways International to announce they would take alternate routes and Delta Air Lines said it had stopped flying through Ukrainian airspace because of “an abundance of caution’’.

But some airlines, such as British Airways and Air France, had been avoiding the airspace for some time.

Flight paths

BA, citing safety,said it was not using Ukrainian airspace with the exception of a daily London-Kiev service, where the destination was several hundred kilometres from the crash site.

The Dnipropetrovsk routes had been shut below 32,000ft because of the fighting but at 33,000ft, the full Malaysian Boeing 777 had been considered above the danger zone. It was also outside restricted airspace around the Crimean city of Simferopol, where potential conflicts between the Ukraine and Russia over who controlled the airspace had created a safety issue.

It was this conflict that prompted the US Federal Aviation Administration to issue on April 3 a widely quoted Notice to Airmen, or NOTAM, prohibiting US flight operations over the Crimea and areas adjacent to the Black Sea and Sea of Azov.

But the NOTAMs did not cover the airspace where MH17 crashed and none of the warnings referred to potential missile attacks. Instead, it was the competing claims about who “owned’ the airspace that was seen as the safety issue.

Airlines prefer to fly a great circle route, which is generally the shortest distance between the departure point and a destination.

The corridor through Ukraine is a popular one for airlines flying between Europe and Asia, used by about 300 flights a day.

Flight plans are influenced by the need to remain in controlled airspace throughout the journey and also to avoid prohibited, restricted or danger areas.

Airlines also consider whether a plan is the shortest route possible while avoiding safety issues, the level of service provided by air traffic control and the fees they charge.

“That is not a factor that would influence an airline to fly one route or another if there is a safety issue,’’ an international expert in air traffic control said. “But it would affect their decision to fly one route or another if all of safety issues are negated and it then became a question of what an ATM will charge for services versus how much fuel they are going to burn.”

Some airlines would also have been worried about the risk of “short notice closure’’ .

“One of the reasons that airlines will decide to fly around that airspace is not because they thought they’re going to get shot down, it’s because they don’t want to rearrange their flight plans at short notice if the airspace suddenly closes,’’ the expert said.

MH17 was one of four aircraft, including a Singapore Airlines Boeing 777 and an Air India Boeing 787, in the area when it was shot down. Qantas, which has used the route in the past, was not involved because it has been flying about 400 nautical miles to the south of the Ukraine since moving its ­European hub to Dubai.
Thank you Heimdallr! Something new I learn today and very practical. :)
 

Persej

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Lumiere_du_Code said:
The international commissions STILL DIDN'T ARRIVE TO the CRASH PLACE. They sit in Kiev and DO NOT go there.
question: they WANT to know the truth, or NOT?
NOT. Who needs truth when they can create their own reality. :rolleyes:
 

Persej

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Missile system used to down MH17 came from Russia: Kerry

The sophisticated missile system used to shoot down a Malaysian jet was given to pro-Russian Ukraine rebels by Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry said today, citing "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" the US had on the tragic incident that killed 298 people.

"It's pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia in the hands of separatists," Kerry told CNN, saying that the Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile system had been used to hit MH17 over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

"We know with confidence, with confidence that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. So it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists."

Kerry said the US had "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" of the incident that killed all 298 people on board the Malaysia Airlines plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

"We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory," he told NBC's Meet the Press. "We know where it came from. We know the timing."

"And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar. We also know, from voice identification, that the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards," he said.

_http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/missile-system-used-to-down-mh17-came-from-russia-kerry-114072000608_1.html
It must be something truly extraordinary! :rolleyes:
 

Tomek

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Persej said:
Missile system used to down MH17 came from Russia: Kerry

The sophisticated missile system used to shoot down a Malaysian jet was given to pro-Russian Ukraine rebels by Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry said today, citing "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" the US had on the tragic incident that killed 298 people.

"It's pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia in the hands of separatists," Kerry told CNN, saying that the Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile system had been used to hit MH17 over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

"We know with confidence, with confidence that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. So it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists."

Kerry said the US had "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" of the incident that killed all 298 people on board the Malaysia Airlines plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

"We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory," he told NBC's Meet the Press. "We know where it came from. We know the timing."

"And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar. We also know, from voice identification, that the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards," he said.

_http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/missile-system-used-to-down-mh17-came-from-russia-kerry-114072000608_1.html
It must be something truly extraordinary! :rolleyes:
Oh, yeah. And if the world needs more convincing evidences, wait until Colin Powell brings some missile powder to the UN security council.
 

Nicholas

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Persej said:
Missile system used to down MH17 came from Russia: Kerry

The sophisticated missile system used to shoot down a Malaysian jet was given to pro-Russian Ukraine rebels by Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry said today, citing "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" the US had on the tragic incident that killed 298 people.

"It's pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia in the hands of separatists," Kerry told CNN, saying that the Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile system had been used to hit MH17 over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.

"We know with confidence, with confidence that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point in time. So it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists."

Kerry said the US had "extraordinary circumstantial evidence" of the incident that killed all 298 people on board the Malaysia Airlines plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

"We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory," he told NBC's Meet the Press. "We know where it came from. We know the timing."

"And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar. We also know, from voice identification, that the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards," he said.

_http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/missile-system-used-to-down-mh17-came-from-russia-kerry-114072000608_1.html
It must be something truly extraordinary! :rolleyes:
I got deja vu because it sounds like the same speech he gave about the Syrian chemical attack.
 

Ronnie

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People are quoting him because he 'presents the alternative view in support of Russia'... but he also supports the assumption (which it still is) that the plane was shot down by a missile.

There is still ZERO evidence that MH17 was taken down by a missile.
(Exactly)... Supposed "eye witnesses" don't mention seeing something strike the plane. Only that it was flying and then in a couple of pieces... Or, we would have seen "black" in the sky from a explosion and a trail all the way down to the ground. The black smoke only starts on the ground.

https://youtu.be/dTCulEzHQh4?feature=player_detailpage
Is it possible for SOTT to filter/enhance the sound on this video? Can someone from our Russian forum tell if this translation is accurate? I feel this is our first and will be one of our most important pieces of evidence. Is and EMP burst traceable on radar or by any other means? We know China vowed to use them against their neighbors.
Scoozie,...for the second request but, Hey I'd still like to know.

I feel they want the attention on a missile because it's something else. Just because Kerry say's!?
What could turn bodies inside out, drain them of blood or explode them and be not so fresh.?
This is most likely the same players as MH370...The answer might be between the two.
And this from Angelburst... I'm not talking about "who" has "what", I'm talking about "who" (Want's) "what"
angelburst29 said:
Additional information on the passengers:

Malaysian Airline Flight 370: Disappearance of Boeing 777 made Illuminati Member Jacob Rothschild Sole Owner of Major Semiconductor Patent

_http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/545653/20140329/malaysian-airline-flight-370-disappearance-boeing-777.htm#.Uzn6OvldWSq

Mystery continues to surround the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 despite the declaration by the Malaysian government that the ill-fated Boeing 777 ended its trip into the southern Indian Ocean.

The situation has led to various speculations ranging from political vendetta to terrorism to an accident.

One more question mark is added to the muddled equation is a report that four members of a patent semiconductor were in the jet, leaving the fifth co-owner of the patent the sole owner now.

And that person happens to be billionaire Jacob Rothschild, an Illuminati member, sparking more conspiracy theories about the aircraft's disappearance.

Mr Rothschild is portrayed as the alleged plotter, wrote Web site Humanarefree.com, noting that the firm, Freescale Semiconductor, launched a new electronic warfare device for military radar systems - the ARM microcontroller KL-03 - days before the plane disappeared.

The company has been creating and developing embedded processors the past five decades, which Freescale described as "stand-alone semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems."

With the four co-owners of the patents in the same flight were 20 other Freescale employees who are mostly engineers and experts deployed in their chip plants in Tianjin, China and Kuala Lumpur.

Freescale said the co-owners and staff were going to China to improve the firm's consumer products operation.

Among the other "intriguing factors" of Freescale are that its shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors with past advisers that include former U.S. President George Bush Sr and ex-British Prime Minister John Major.

Here's another one, Carlyle's clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, a construction company owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The Web site noted that four days after the jet disappeared, the U.S. Patent Office approved the semiconductor patent which is divided into five parts. One was held by Freescale and the four to Peidong Wang, Zhijun Chen, Cheng and Lu Ying Zhijong. All four were from Suzhou City.

Mitch Haws, vice president for global communications and investor relations, acknowledged the disappearance of the 24, who had a lot of experience and technical background, is a loss for Freescale


_http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/03/stop-flight-mh370-at-any-cost-worlds.html#more

The company is no newcomer but has long-time connections in East Asia, as the former design subsidiary of Motorola, which once dominated the Asian communications market in the postwar era. Freescale has design centers in Kuala Lumpur and in China, including Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Chengdu and Suzhou.

Besides its lucrative production of microchips for automotive components, Freescale has extensive contracts with the U.S. military, producing wafers and circuits for navigation, periscopes, electronic targeting, self-guided missiles and other weapons systems that require intelligence controls.

Any defense-related company at the nerve center of Pentagon hardware is bound to attract the attention of weapons designers from both adversarial and allied nations upgrading their military capability. Japan, France and the UK, along with Russia, China and Iran, all want the leading edge that contractors like Freescale provide.

What technological innovation would prompt the Pentagon's military intelligence agencies to electronically interdict a civilian airliner in mid-flight, while disposing of the collateral passengers as shark bait?

Ultra-small Microcontoller

In February 2013, Freescale unveiled the Kinesis KL02, the world's smallest microcontroller, measuring 1.9 mm by 2mm and containing RAM, ROM and a clock. The company brags that the device is so small that it can be swallowed for medical uses, such as releasing drugs according to prescription schedule or directing micro-surgery.

Tiny though it may be, the micro-controller is the key to next-generation warfare based on self-guidance, tactical versatility and hierarchy of commands, in short, an adaptive thinking weapon that can outsmart foes. Potential applications include:

- Drones smaller than a fly, either as remotes or autonomously, on surveillance missions or to deliver biowarfare packets, for example, lab-cloned viruses or toxic drugs. Their light weight means longer flying periods or even indefinite hovering time if solar-powered.

- Injectable implants to insert a human-machine interface, for example, a targeting system attached to the optic nerve, rendering Google glasses obsolete. Bionic implants could be implanted in nerves of the limbs to control battery-powered prosthetics, realizing the Pentagon's dream of a human-centered robotic warrior, known to anime fans as "meka".

- Maneuverable micro-satellites and mini-submarines that can be operated as drones or act independently to track and hunt larger weapons systems, spy satellites too small to be detected by ground telescopes, and orbiting warheads containing chemical, biological or nuclear materials.

Strategic Versus Commercial Interest

The series code of Kinesis KL02 stands for Version 2 made in Kuala Lumpur, which is the capital of Malaysia. This core of America's next-generation weapons systems was developed overseas, in a Muslim-preponderant country economically allied with China, Russia and Japan and often at odds with US foreign policy. Therefore, an upcoming round of testing in China, and possible manufacture of Version 3 in Beijing, was a prospect that the Pentagon agencies, especially the NSA, the US Air Force's Space Command and DARPA, had to stop by any means available.

As Freescale Malaysia prepared to test Kinesis at its sister research labs in Beijing and Tianjin, alarm bells were sounding at the DARPA-funded Charles Stark Draper Laboratory in Cambridge, Massachusetts. That leading weapons-research facility was created during World War II to build navigation systems and bomb sights stabilized against turning and vibrations by inertia. It has since moved on to microchips for every military application, including inertial guidance for ballistic missiles, communications, GPS, intelligent targeting systems, orbital piloting for the International Space Station and, under the cover of "biomedical", the transhuman super-soldier program.

The release of Kinesis exposed the Pentagon's dilemma over dual-use technology, which can garner vast profits through civilian applications, as shown by GPS for cars and smartphones, yet threaten to wipe out America's technological lead in warfare. The choice of whether to down on a new technology is not limited to Pentagon insiders and generals, since defense contractors and elite corporate executives are also involved.

In November, Freescale seated a new member on its Board of Directors. Joanne Maguire is an executive with three decades of experience in the Lockheed Martin Space Division. She studied electrical engineering at University of Michigan and UCLA, where she earned her master's degree. She was invited to the Harvard Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security. Caltech honored her with the Karmann Wings Award and she received the Peter Teets Award from the National Defense Industrial Association. As the very embodiment of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Maguire was the ideal choice to serve as watchdog against the corporate profiteers at Freescale.
 

Lumiere_du_Code

Jedi Council Member
Mr. Scott said:
Downing of MH17 compared to WWII submarine attack

I thought that was rather interesting. I just started watching Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, and the first episode is about WWII. It was kinda curious that back then, the Ukraine was kind of a turning point after which all hell broke loose.

And now? Well...

We've got Nazis again, Axis Powers, a powerful Russia (with a much smarter leader this time), etc.

Same song, different verse.

everything about what spoke C's: "Remember that events of WWII were the test run and now you see similarity?"
 

mabar

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Kniall said:
There is still ZERO evidence that MH17 was taken down by a missile.
Certainly, not, and less not known to me. I do not know much about what should be considered as true evidence. But that's what media/authorities had been saying.

I was reading an article about Chaff used in Malaysian Flight 17, but it comes from _beforeitsnews site.

From wikipedia
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure) said:
Chaff, originally called Window[1] by the British, and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb where it was first developed), is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallized glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of primary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns.

Modern armed forces use chaff (in naval applications, for instance, using short-range SRBOC rockets) to distract radar-guided missiles from their targets. Most military aircraft and warships have chaff dispensing systems for self-defence. An intercontinental ballistic missile may release in its midcourse phase several independent warheads, a large number of decoys, and chaff.

Chaff can also be used to signal distress by an aircraft when communications are not functional. This has the same effect as an SOS, and can be picked up on radar. It is done by dropping chaff every 2 minutes.
There are several websites you can find using chaff tag, but no one that is knowable to me, or some are dubious sites, like goldproductions, rense and similar.

In the article, he make an analysis of a video from potrblog, pointing out that is chaff instead of and /or airplane debris as other media had noted.

Would it be useful to post it here?, or would it be much probable noise too? There is also another article that talks about rotten bodies such as some separatists had mentioned they had found, but the article is from rense, I have my doubts, and its quite creepy too.
 

aragorn

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Kniall said:
Carlos the Spanish ATC said:
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
Right here 'Carlos' exposes himself as an agent. There is no way 'some random ATC guy at Kiev airport' could know this.

People are quoting him because he 'presents the alternative view in support of Russia'... but he also supports the assumption (which it still is) that the plane was shot down by a missile.

There is still ZERO evidence that MH17 was taken down by a missile.
That's what I've been thinking, too. Has anyone seen ANY evidence of it being shot down?! I don't know about the legitimacy of this video, but if it is actual footage of the MH17 coming down, it appears to me that the right engine is on fire. Besides that the plane seems to be in one piece.

Link: http://youtu.be/F-D6OtFrz_8
 

Lumiere_du_Code

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Imagine that you have captured anti-aircraft missile system "Buk". That is:



You climb inside, and there:









What buttons to press? Which handles twist? Understand... ;)
 
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