Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

[Siberia]

I've only found this picture at a Ukie website (claiming that these are separatists trying to shoot down junta's fighter jets with BUK missiles). Another lie probably, but the picture might be true, don't know..

And also this one:

These pictures are from the analysis made by the Russian avia engineers (they claim that MH17 was more likely shot down by the fighter jet rather than by a BUK missile). The pictures do not show the exact moment, unfortunately.

 

[Joe]

The top picture looks like flares to me.

 

[Altair]

They are indeed look like anti missile flares. I guess the top picture has nothing really to do with ukie's article and was probably taken during of a military drill.

 

[angelburst29]

This 45 minute U-Tube clip was uploaded today by Journeyman Pictures out of Australia. It's basically a Russian/Putin propaganda hit piece. In the comments section, a Journeyman Representative states : apologies for the low quality. We're waiting for the final material and we'll upload a better quality version as soon as it's delivered to us. We just thought it was more important to get the film out ASAP. It does show footage of the crash site.

The Whole Story Behind The MH17 Disaster
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2qDszg6F5E&list=PLlGSlkijht5gyYNkhTOmpP-3AKawhjkdv

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

September 10, 2014:
Holland: in bodies of pilots of MH17 there are alien fragments

To establish the reasons of crash of Boeing in Ukraine examination of the alien fragments found in bodies of pilots can help, the representative of Council for safety of Holland Sara Fernoy declared RIA Novosti news agency by phone on Wednesday.
"Some fragments were found in bodies of crew members, pilots. We have to make investigation to understand — whether it is plane details. If isn't present — it there can be fragments of objects from the outside. At present we don't know, parts of that it can be. Experts work with bodies of victims" — told Ferna.

http://ria.ru/mh17/20140910/1023507967.html

August 23, 2014:

Q: (Perceval) the Cabin of MH17 was fired by jet plane?
A: Yes.
Q: (Perceval) Sense was to move away pilots so that they couldn't contact or something, and then the bomb in the plane could work after that?
A: Yes.

 

[Siberia]

They are indeed look like anti missile flares. I guess the top picture has nothing really to do with ukie's article and was probably taken during of a military drill.

Sure, most likely. I was sleepy and tired yesterday and didn't think about it, sorry.

 

[angelburst29]

September 10, 2014:
Holland: in bodies of pilots of MH17 there are alien fragments

To establish the reasons of crash of Boeing in Ukraine examination of the alien fragments found in bodies of pilots can help, the representative of Council for safety of Holland Sara Fernoy declared RIA Novosti news agency by phone on Wednesday.
"Some fragments were found in bodies of crew members, pilots. We have to make investigation to understand — whether it is plane details. If isn't present — it there can be fragments of objects from the outside. At present we don't know, parts of that it can be. Experts work with bodies of victims" — told Ferna.

http://ria.ru/mh17/20140910/1023507967.html

The English version can be found here:
_http://en.ria.ru/world/20140910/192802348/Unidentified-Fragments-Found-in-Bodies-of-MH17-Crew-Dutch-Safety.html

Updated 2:40 p.m. Moscow time

MOSCOW, September 10 (RIA Novosti) – Unidentified fragments have been found in the bodies of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 pilots, their origin is currently being established, a Dutch Safety Board (DSB) spokeswoman told RIA Novosti Wednesday.

“Some fragments are found in the bodies of flight crew, pilots. We have to investigate them to see if they are fragments of the plane. If they are not, it might be fragments of the objects, coming from outside. We’re not sure yet what these pieces are fragments of. Experts are working with bodies,” DSB spokeswoman Sara Vernooij said.

On Tuesday, the DSB released a preliminary report on the MH17 crash. According to the report, the flight broke up in the air probably as the result of structural damage caused by “a large number of high-energy objects” that penetrated the aircraft from outside.

The analysts said that groundbreaking results should not have been expected as the investigation into the crash was hampered by the Kiev’s military operation in the region. Investigators also did not have rapid access to the crash site.

The DSB aims to publish the final report within a year of the date of the crash.

Flight MH17, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed on July 17 in Ukraine’s eastern region of Donetsk, killing all 298 people on board. Kiev accuses independence supporters in eastern Ukraine of shooting it down but cannot provide any evidence. The local militia leaders insist that they do not have weapons capable of shooting down a plane flying at 32,000 feet.

 

[mabar]

Being just bad luck or something else? What is happening with Malaysia Airlines?, in fact, I tend to think in something else, rather than bad luck, though.

Malaysia Airlines flight turns back after auto-pilot defect

September 14, 2014
A Malaysia Airlines flight which was forced to turn around because of an auto-pilot defect, has landed safely.

Flight MH198 from Kuala Lumpur to Hyderabad, India, departed late on Saturday, but the Boeing 737-800 turned back due to an auto-pilot defect.

It landed back in Malaysia's capital almost four hours later after circling to burn fuel in the air.

"The defect did not have any impact on the safety of the aircraft or passengers. However, as a precautionary measure, the operating captain decided to turn back," the national flag carrier said in a statement.

There was another last month _http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-to-tokyo-turns-back-after-cabin-pressure-problems-9688045.html Malaysia Airlines flight to Tokyo turns back after cabin pressure problems -Sunday 24 August 2014

 

[Palinurus]

Source: _http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html

Who shot down MH17 ?
30 million dollars reward for information

17. September, 2014 by J. Resch

The fraud investigation company Wifka has been charged with investigating the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. Their client is providing 30 million dollars as a reward for information and evidence. On July 17 the Malaysian Airlines boeing crashed over Eastern Ukraine on their way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers and crew were killed.

After the terrible assassination or "accident" all political parties, at home and abroad, said they owed it to the victims, their families and the public to clarify the circumstances of the crash and present evidence for what happened. None of this has yet been done.

Wifka wants to know:
– Who shot down MH17 on July 17?
– Who gave the order?
– Who covers up the shoot down? (Also, if it was by accident and not out of political, economic or military motivation)
– Who can provide details on the circumstances that led to the shoot down?
– Who was directly involved with the shoot down?
– What happened to the people that were involved with the shoot down? What happened to the weapon used?
- Who can name the people that cleared the shoot down?

Whoever provides evidence that identifies those behind the shoot down, will be given the reward of 30 million dollars. The money is securely deposited in Zurich, Switzerland. It will be paid there or in a different neutral place of the whistle-blower’s choice.

Wifkas client offers to give the whistle-blower a new identity.

Wifka works absolutely confidential. The agency advises whistle-blowers to take great care; e.g. to contact them through a lawyer. Details should not lightly be given away in emails or on the phone. A secure way of communication will be established for every individual case.

This article ends with contact details I have omitted here.

Also available in German and French on the website aforementioned.

 

[Palinurus]

News coverage in English so far:

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2014/09/17/e23-million-reward-mh17-perpetrators/

_https://news.google.com/news?ncl=d2FC3-LgvN0bgQMTU3Zh2cnmttptM&q=wifka&lr=Dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=i7MZVIW3ItGp7AaeyoG4Bg&ved=0CE0QqgIwCQ

 

[Palinurus]

SOTT coverage: http://www.sott.net/article/285891-German-investigation-company-offers-30-million-for-information-on-MH17-crash-does-not-disclose-client

 

[Alana]

SOTT coverage: http://www.sott.net/article/285891-German-investigation-company-offers-30-million-for-information-on-MH17-crash-does-not-disclose-client

Just for speculation's sake, whoever offers the 30 million is either convinced that Putin/Russia did it and wants proof now, or that s/he/they know(s) that the U.S./NATO/Israel/Kiev alliance is behind it. And a German investigation company is a "neutral" player in a way.

On the other hand, who has the type of information they are looking for? And would anyone of those who know the truth, divulge it for 30 million, if it's probable that s/he/they might not live to get the money? Or so my simplistic speculation goes at the moment.

 

[Palinurus]

SOTT coverage: http://www.sott.net/article/285891-German-investigation-company-offers-30-million-for-information-on-MH17-crash-does-not-disclose-client

Just for speculation's sake, whoever offers the 30 million is either convinced that Putin/Russia did it and wants proof now, or that s/he/they know(s) that the U.S./NATO/Israel/Kiev alliance is behind it. And a German investigation company is a "neutral" player in a way.

On the other hand, who has the type of information they are looking for? And would anyone of those who know the truth, divulge it for 30 million, if it's probable that s/he/they might not live to get the money? Or so my simplistic speculation goes at the moment.

Maybe it's just my morbid imagination flaring up but I think it's fairly easy to come up with a third speculative option: bait for clairvoyants, mediums, remote viewers, Ouija board users, and such -- including the Cassies.

The C's certainly would have most of the details wanted at their disposal, and if they thought it would benefit the Fellowship and the Quantum Future Group at the present moment to have access to that kind of money for their current projects it would be easy enough to provide Laura with all the necessary information for public or semi-covert disclosure, if she was to ask for it.

This whole sordid affair could readily turn into some sort of a 'beauty contest' for clairvoyant mediums, come to think of it.

As usual, we'll have to wait and see what's to come out of this initiative -- if anything at all.

 

[Laura]

I don't think they are interested in clairvoyants, but someone who is on the inside and who can produce hard proof.

 

[Yozilla]

Or maybe they are faking ... Maybe they wanna seal "missile" scenario with already (that's why they're delaying the investigation) prepared false data and false perpetrators...

And 30 million bucks are drawing a lot of public attention... like hypnotic initiator or whatever - so people could by any scenario...

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