Michael Jackson Dies

clerck de bonk said:
I could make fun of Hitler, Mousselini, Idi... Ooh, You said people...
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Sorry I didnt quite get this - care to clarify?

I think its a bit of a stretch to equalize M.J. with Hitler or Idi Amin. Considering everything that has been said in this thread - it does feel completely inappropriate to make fun of MJ whatever he was - at least for someone who aspires greater understanding and expanded awareness. Which is basically my goal. Dunno about yours.
It is equivalent of making fun of little girl on a playground just because she has a lazy eye or one leg shorter.

I love South Park and I rarely laugh watching TV like I laugh with them. But in the same time I am aware that most of their humor appeals to lowest emotions. OSIT

Did you mean to say 'sad people' cos said doesn't really make any sense?
 
Corto Maltese said:
clerck de bonk said:
I could make fun of Hitler, Mousselini, Idi... Ooh, You said people...
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Sorry I didnt quite get this - care to clarify?

I think its a bit of a stretch to equalize M.J. with Hitler or Idi Amin. Considering everything that has been said in this thread - it does feel completely inappropriate to make fun of MJ whatever he was - at least for someone who aspires greater understanding and expanded awareness. Which is basically my goal. Dunno about yours.
It is equivalent of making fun of little girl on a playground just because she has a lazy eye or one leg shorter.

I love South Park and I rarely laugh watching TV like I laugh with them. But in the same time I am aware that most of their humor appeals to lowest emotions. OSIT

Did you mean to say 'sad people' cos said doesn't really make any sense?
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OK, it was a lame(stupid) joke meaning mentioned dictators would not be human while MJ would be human... :-[ sorry
 
well maybe I need to apologize also, I completely misread your post and went into defensive mode
 
I've just found this most fascinating documentary about Mickael Jackson's trial. It is called "Inside Michael Jackson's trial" and it's narrated by Larry Nemer who was a part of Jackson’s defence team (as a documentary film maker and legal video specialist) during his molestation trial in 2002.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwbO4uQbYY&feature=PlayList&p=D4A5E54D44EFB376&index=55



This summary describes quite well the documentary:

"Randomly trawling through YouTube is always great, especially when you find stuff you never new existed.

I just found this tonight and thought it was hella interesting. I’ve never heard of this, let alone knew it was out there on the Internets.

In this 5 part document, compiled and narrated by Larry Nemer (sp?), who was a part of Jackson’s defence team (as a documentary film maker and legal video specialist) during his molestation trail in 2002. The documentary is made up of Nemar’s own personal footage shot during his time at Neverland, footage (and out takes) from the infamous Bashir documentary as well as footage taken by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff department during their raids of Neverland. It also includes never-before-seen footage of the accuser talking to investigators and interviews with jurors.

Above all however, this documentary delves deep into the inaccuracies of the trail as a whole, the accusing family and their blatant lack of creditability, the way in which Michael’s generosity was abused and generally the way the trial, from all angles, was exploited.

…It’s a fascinating documentary which, for me, just further confirms what I (and most people) already knew. Michael Jackson was an innocent man. And if guilty of anything, it was of making bad judgements and processing a “childlike innocence”.

Make sure you watch the other 4 parts!

_http://pinboardblog.com/2009/09/02/inside-michael-jacksons-trail-the-story-of-neverland-part-1-5/
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In the past, i really thought Michael Jackson was a pedophile, i mean i was pretty convinced of it after all the things i've heard about it... but after having watched interviews, interviews and interviews from him yesterday, i don't know, this guy looks sincere and genuine when he talks.

This whole thing of pedophilia is classic organic portal technique: take something pure and beautiful (love for children) and twist it, pervert it with something sexual and you got it: ugly pedophilia, a juicy lie used by the medias.

In my opinion :)

(this video is really is a must-seen because i don't know, it kinds of put things into perspective)
 
Hmm, this video really makes me rethink my impression of Michael Jackson. The molestation case definitely appeared to be a frame-up.
 
Let me start of by saying I am a fan of MJ's music, and I hope the best for his children that they find some peace within their lives. The death of a parent is difficult, especially one who is in the spotlight.

IMO MJ really did not like who himself and also who he was believed to be, wether it was a result of bad parenting, drug abuse etc. People become emotionally invested in who they believe someone to be, or in who they believe someone should be. Maybe he had some sort of internal drive to stamp out the publicly programmed notion of who he was supposed to be, someone who he didn't like so much, and as a result changed the only thing he believed he could control, his appearance. Almost like shocking the people into seeing him for who he was on the inside by stripping their notion of who he was on the outside.

Did the chaos he chose for the outside reflect how he felt on the inside? IMO it did. It seems that maybe there are some life stories that are written as lessons to others, as well as themselves. FWIW I think that some of what we deem as "failures" may end up being the best examples of what NOT to do, and therefore serve as great a purpose as the "successes" if the mechanics of the situation are observed in an unbiased fashion, and we can learn more about who we ourselves are, and why we make similar decisions.
 
Pierre said:
In the past, i really thought Michael Jackson was a pedophile, i mean i was pretty convinced of it after all the things i've heard about it... but after having watched interviews, interviews and interviews from him yesterday, i don't know, this guy looks sincere and genuine when he talks.
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Yup. And read this short excerpt from his Lyrics from "Jam" and you know why they had to make him silent:

Nation To Nation / All The World / Must Come Together
Face The Problems / That We See / Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out

I Asked My Neighbor / For A Favor / She Said Later
What Has Come Of / All The People / Have We Lost Love / Of What It's About

I Have To Find My Peace Cuz / No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom / What Are The Possibilities

I Told My Brother / There'll Be Problems, Times And Tears For Fears
We Must Live Each Day / Like It's The Last

...

The World Keeps Changing / Rearranging Minds / And Thoughts

...

I Told My Brothers / Don't You Ask Me / For No Favors
I'm Conditioned By The System / Don't You Talk To Me ...

...

She Pray To God, To Buddha / Then She Sings A / Talmud Song
Confusions Contradict The Self / Do We Know Right From Wrong

...
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These are really strong lyrics Data, indeed. It reinforces the idea that MJ was a a threat to the PTB: his lyrics about anti-war, anti-police brutality, pro-love, pro-union of all nations could clearly be a threat to them.
 
I'am not a fan nor did ever listen to his music but I got to these videos on youtube by accident and it seems he was killed by PTB and this story that he was pedophile was all to destroy his credibility, he wouldn't step on ant because he was very shy and they say he would rape children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6znfH43kHsk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFPjFyfcj8E&feature=related

One of many victims who was on position to make some influence and this video shows like he knew what was gone happen in future, very mysterious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vn8cVoK70M&feature=related

He says:

We have four years left to get it right or else it's irreversible then...we're done.
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After the discussion that started here about Michael Jackson (maybe we should merge this part with this existing thread about MJ and change the title?) I heard some of his music in a more critical way again.

First of all, for someone who projected himself as being some kind of gentle soul, who is somehow not at all sexually interested (aka: A-sexual), some of his performances and songs seem to contradict that quite a bit. For example his infamous ball grabber move comes to mind here:
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There is a song by MJ which is called P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing).

Here is the songtext of it:

"P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"

[1st Verse]
Where Did You Come From Lady
And Ooh Won't You Take Me There
Right Away Won't You Baby
Tendoroni You've Got To Be
Spark My Nature
Sugar Fly With Me
Don't You Know Now
Is The Perfect Time
We Can Make It Right
Hit The City Lights
Then Tonight Ease The Lovin' Pain
Let Me Take You To The Max

[Chorus]
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Shake You There

[Background]
Anywhere You Wanna Go

[2nd Verse]
Nothin' Can Stop This Burnin'
Desire To Be With You
Gotta Get To You Baby
Won't You Come, It's Emergency
Cool My Fire Yearnin'
Honey, Come Set Me Free
Don't You Know Now Is The Perfect Time
We Can Dim The Lights
Just To Make It Right
In The Night
Hit The Lovin' Spot
I'll Give You All That I've Got

[Chorus]
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Take You There

Breakdown
Pretty Young Things, Repeat After Me
[Michael] I Said Na Na Na
[P.Y.T.'S] Na Na Na
[Michael] Na Na Na Na
[P.Y.T.'S] Na Na Na Na
[Michael] Na Na Na
[P.Y.T.'S] Na Na Na
[Michael] I Said Na Na Na Na Na
[P.Y.T.'S] Na Na Na Na Na
[Michael] I'll Take You There

[Chorus]
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Take You There
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And her is the song _http://www.myvideo.de/watch/3427328/Michael_Jackson_PYT_Pretty_young_thing

Now if you listen to how he sings it and the lyrics itself, well....
Nobody can tell me that this song is not meant sexual and I guess you do not have to be a genius to figure out to whom he is referring to, with "Pretty Young Thing".

After all that has been uncovered about him, I think we can safely suggest that he was actually referring to "Pretty Young Children".
 
Niall said:
A new documentary pretty much wraps it up: Michael Jackson was a manipulative pedophile.

www.sott.net

'Leaving Neverland' Documentary is Damning, Yet Some Still Believe Michael Jackson Was Not a Pedophile

Leaving Neverland has been seen by his many wild-eyed defenders as a "j'accuse" aimed at the legacy of Michael Jackson. It is not. It is a detailed, four-hour study of the psychology of child sexual abuse, told through two ordinary families who...
www.sott.net www.sott.net
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Yep, case closed I reckon. Just like with Saville, people thought he was a weirdo, but the truth was far more sinister. I thought his music was shallow rubbish too. And the mock piety he continually espoused, yuck! A spellbinder, and nothing more.
 
I'd sure like to watch this documentary, but unfortunately, because I'm in Canada, the video is blocked. Is there any way around this?
 
One of my musician friends knew Michal Jackson very well. They worked together on several music gigs. I can remember when the first child abuse scandal happened and Michael was arrested, my friend vehemently stated that the allegations could not possibly be true. He said he knew Michael too well, and he was nothing but a kind, sweet soul.
 
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