Michael Tsarion on God and evil: Sitchin and Icke Redux

[salleles]

Wading through Jordan's gallery, he might want to attend some more Photoshop lectures.

 

[henry]

If you altered my words than you have probably altered others. What appears to be an unbiased, objective, research-based site in which to gain knowledge and seek truth, is now filtered, edited, and propogandized to suit your own agenda.

Here is something from Gurdjieff that I think has some relevance to Froist2pros's reply above:

"But there is nothing that shows up a man better than his attitude towards the work and the teacher after he has left it. Sometimes such tests are arranged intentionally. A man is placed in such a position that he is obliged to leave and he is fully justified in having a grievance either against the teacher or against some other person. And then he is watched to see how he will behave. A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man's nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?

"But this is not the chief thing; the chief thing is his own personal attitude, his own valuation of the ideas which he receives or has received, and his keeping or losing this valuation. A man may think for a long time and quite sincerely that he wants to work and even make great efforts, and then he may throw up everything and even definitely go against the work; justify himself, invent various fabrications, deliberately ascribe a wrong meaning to what he has heard, and so on."

"What happens to them for this?" asked one of the audience.

"Nothing-what could happen to them?" said G. "They are their own punishment. And what punishment could be worse?"

Frost2pro's accusations show us what he is like now that he has been scratched.

 

[Laura]

You know, looking at that photo reminds me a lot of Vinnie Bridges.

And here's Jordan:

What is up with all these people going off and dressing up like Arabs and claiming to be initiated Sufis (Vinnie Bridges claimed that also, by the way) and all that claptrap?

That nutzoid - the economist who came to visit us and was a follower of Drunvalo Melchizedek that I wrote about in the Adventures Series - mentioned being in Egypt, in the Great Pyramid - and then another guy who was later revealed as an agent also mentioned being in Egypt, and that he actually got a special pass into the pyramid with his wife and his daughter was conceived there...

And it makes me wonder a bit... Were all these Black Magick, Ophanic Worshippers, Stargate Conspiracists all in Egypt at the same time? Maybe they had a meeting or something?

 

[ark]

Reading about Tsarion

Michael Tsarion is the author of several books, including Atlantis: Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation. Michael is a divination scholar and sidereal mythologist, which means that he has studied the comparative mythologies of the world, as they relate to the concepts of Astrotheology and Astrology. Michael is also the head of what he calls the Taroscopic Mystery School, which implements Tarot and Astrology as tools of divination.

and then

At 15 I came to California and was introduced to Peter Balin and David Singer (the renowned Fillmore artist). The former was hand picked by J. Krishnamurti, to teach art and creativity at his premier mystery school in India. An expert on Shamanistic traditions he went on to compose a book on the Tarot called Flight of Feathered Serpent and designed and published his own deck, the Xultun Tarot, based on the Mayan cosmology. The latter, David Singer is a master scholar of the goddess traditions and sacred geometrist who introduced me to that subject and also to the intriguing study of etymology. He was an artist hand-picked by Bill Graham and he subsequently created certainly the most enigmatic and profoundly symbolic posters for Fillmore West.

It is clear that Tsarion cares not about checking his facts with scientific data. What is "sacred geometrist"? There is nothing sacred in geometry! Geometry is a branch of science.

It is clear that we are dealing with a disinformation artist.

Pythagoras is often quoted as one of the fathers of "sacred geometry". But notice this

[...] The Pythagoreans were divided into an inner circle called the mathematikoi ("mathematicians") and an outer circle called the akousmatikoi ("listeners"). Porphyry wrote "the mathematikoi learned the more detailed and exactly elaborate version of this knowledge, the akousmatikoi (were) those which had heard only the summary headings of his (Pythagoras') writings, without the more exact exposition." According to Iamblichus, the akousmatikoi were the exoteric disciples who listened to lectures that Pythagoras gave out loud from behind a veil. The akousmatikoi were not allowed to see Pythagoras and they were not taught the inner secrets of the cult. Instead they were taught laws of behavior and morality in the form of cryptic, brief sayings that had hidden meanings. The akousmatikoi recognized the mathematikoi as real Pythagoreans, but not vice versa. After Pythagoras' death the two groups split from each other entirely, with Pythagoras' wife Theano and their two daughters leading the mathematikoi.[...]

Today's "sacred geometrists" are simply degenerated akousmatikoi Note also the term cult in

The akousmatikoi were not allowed to see Pythagoras and they were not taught the inner secrets of the cult.

Kepler is also sometimes quoted, because of his like of "divine proportions". Yet

Kepler's logical approach to polyhedra does not mean that he was free of the mysticism of the day. [...]

The image at right is a closeup of the spheres of inner planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. This is a beautiful astronomical model. For example, it explains why there are only six planets: How could there be a seventh planet, when Euclid proved that there are only five Platonic solids! Of course, the model is completely false, the interplanetary distances it predicts are not sufficiently accurate, and Kepler was scientist enough to accept this eventually. But it is an excellent example of how truth and beauty are not always equivalent.

An exemplary statement from one sacred geometrist, when he was first confronted about his lying is ....

-- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

Vincent Bridges, another "sacred geometrist" and Dan's Winter associate , one who wrote about himself:

Well, I'm a Christian non-denominational minister, a Wiccan initiate, a high ranking GD adepti, a member of the Al Haggagi Sufi Order of Luxor, Egypt, and a Nyngma-pa Buddhist terton holder. That makes me a Christian Wiccan Enochian Sufi Buddhist .

has this to say:

Walking the labyrinth, with a fully conscious intent, may just be the best technique human's have ever developed for interacting directly with the mind of the planet. As the need for this kind cmmunication grows greater, learning the secrets of the labyrinth could become one of humanity's most important endeavors.

[From "Notes on the 9-Stone Labyrynth, DNA, and Planetary Alignment", By Vincent Bridges and Darlene", 1998]

Another " the audience is too stupid to know the difference?"

 

[Joe]

I'm not assuming. You altered the title of my posting. "Icke and Sitchin Redux" is not how I would characterize this book. If you want to criticize the author, do it in your words not mine.

This forum is not for you to expound on your theories in isolation, neither is it a debating society, it is a research forum and that research is the work of the forum members, it is a group effort for the purpose of coming to a greater understanding of the truth. Many heads are better than one, as they say.

Most of the members of this foum that have looked into it have researched Tsarion and come to the conclusion that he leaves a lot to be desired. As such, the title of this thread, which, again, is not *Yours*, was changed to better reflect the findings of the forum members.

Joe

 

[Guest]

I'm not assuming. You altered the title of my posting. "Icke and Sitchin Redux" is not how I would characterize this book. If you want to criticize the author, do it in your words not mine.

For what it's worth Frost2pro, your original title was the biased one. "On God and evil" is a title that gave me an impression these topics would be objectively discussed from multiple angles. Instead, you not only gave Michael Tsarion's view point, but the impression you were trying to sell it. And I was disappointed, and did not comment before because I expected more than the same story we hear from others who are proven manipulators.

The edited title, is much more informing, and tells me who is speaking "on God and evil" and to whose ideas his theories are related. It sounds to me that you are angry because YOU wanted to draw people in unaware making them assume that the issue of God and evil will be addressed generally, and not from another lizard-god-king promoter.

I am saying this because Tsarion's view is similar to that of other's who are trying to convey ideas that we are powerless against this omnipotent occult "enemy". If that was true, and these lizards were right here on the same plane with us, and have us in the palm of their claw or whatever, they would have had us for dinner already. These kinds of stories don't constitute the true. They are more akin to psychological terrorism, and propaganda leaflets.

The problem is, it all sounds like such a Saturday matinee that people who approach the esoteric for the first time, easily relate to it from that perspective, and end up giving it credence because of this. I mean most religious stories might as well be cartoons as well, and people relate to them for that reason, IMO.

I even read some of Vincent Bridges' articles on the Internet, and although it sounded naive to me and gave me absolutely nothing useful, I could never come to the conclusion that this man was a manipulator until I read more personal information about the man like Laura's "Mirror Session".

What I do know is that time and again, and without exception, people who have been proven to be manipulators all seem to express the same occult paradigm, with the same cartoonish, science-fantasy, pseudo-mystical hot air.

And let me say this: I participated in some "meditations" with "followers" of Mekizedek and Hurtak, and some other friends of those on the new age who's who list. I found they do have psychic sensitivity of a sort, but when the pressure they were trying to impose got turned back on them, they started jerking around and claiming dark forces were attacking them, and even started pointing fingers. All of this because the sincere people in the meditation session simply refused to have psychic tendrils latch onto their spines, and shoved down their throats.

In short, I for one would like to know if a purported exposition on a basic and deep subject such as God and evil is just the same old manipulative story so I know what I am getting into. And if you think being cautious after stepping in it time and again is being judgmental, I have to seriously disagree. I would say, again given my experience, that approaching this kind of information without caution is a step beyond the naive and into the foolish.

 

[Yossarian]

Thank you for the continuing information and feedback. It's a jungle out there! I've re-read all the comments on this thread and have been reading Secret History, Laura's articles, postings on this forum and trying to compare to what I've read from Tsarion. I've much more work to do, but there definitely seems to be a difference in the usefulness and "workability" of the material here as opposed to there. If I find something concretely useful I'll post it.

Like Laura says, it seems the quality of the cointelpro continues to improve as reflected in Tom Kenyon's Hathor's and Tsarion.

To quote Laura from here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/grail_5g.htm

And here we encounter a common trick of disinformation artists, not to mention the mode of "Stalking," to wit:

"One of the tactics of liars is to find a means of subtly allying their message with that of the truth so as to generate confusion in untrained minds which would tend on surface evidence to accept these actually contrary messages as equivalent.

[...]

"Its usual strategy is to begin its work by adhering so closely to the letter of the truth as to be virtually indistinguishable to all but initiated awareness, installing itself through the rhythmic lull of entrainment so as to catch the "congregation" totally off guard when it finally diverges slightly or greatly from the set pattern and so pulls a portion of the truth along with it."

And furthermore, from the above referenced page,

On the contrary, it acknowledges its Grand Masters to have been fallible human beings, a representative cross-section of humanity - a few geniuses, a few notables, a few 'average specimens,' a few nonentities, EVEN A FEW FOOLS. Why, we could not but wonder, would a forged or fabricated list include such a spectrum?

Based upon Lincoln's criterion, one need never leave this humble forum to gain all the knowledge of the universe Just kidding.

 

[Fifth Way]

Many of us feel it goes hand in hand with Laura's work and like we've mentioned before he DOESN"T have the benefit of the C's. This guy is the next best thing to Laura! I even wish they could do a book together.

Who is 'us/we'?

10. The serpent in the garden is good (wished to impart knowledge to Adam and Eve)

Personally I am highly skeptical towards anything scaly! If there is a decent source for such type of statement I sure would love to see/read it.

2. Good and evil are 2 sides of the same coin.

I would have to agree with adPop here:

First of all, one of the most valuable lessons of the Cass material is that good and evil are entirely subjective. Interpreting actions in terms of STO and STS is far more objective -- a more accurate way of discerning the polarity of choices.

And I also spontaneously agree with tschai:

....looks like a rehash of Zecharia Sitchin

Yes people can come to important conclusions on there own. Even though Laura's and the sott-team's work have furthered my own research and knowledge the most, hands down, I, too did manage to figure out one or two relevant clues on my own and this site merely corroborated parts of my hypothesis.
I think, however, the critical part is where one stops to search and one gives an 'ultimate answer' (like "focus on the crystal core"). Something like that I find highly suspicious. But this site on the other hand is the only source (that I could find so far) to never stop the questioning, ever. And that works for me.
So there are a number of problematic areas for me, that spontaneously meet the eye already, from an only very superficial glance.

I have come to develop an understanding that the first and most telling sign that someone is not who they claim to be is the proclamation that they are the One who is best qualified to tell you the truth.

Reading all of Tsarion 'qualification' and name-droping associations (even of second and third degree) one really gets the feeling that one is supposed to be impressed into submission. I'm sorry....

 

[abraham zilver]

I feel ill at ease commenting on a blog where the author himself is not allowed to serve retribution. Let him speak and then at your liberty expose him for the dupe he obviosly is. Any good reasearcher worth their grain of salt needs a Devil's advocate in their midst...

The passion for truth is silenced by answers which have the weight of undisputed authority.

Paul Tillich - (BEWARE! He is obviously another agent for COINTELPRO...)

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Paul Tillich - (BEWARE! He is obviously another agent for COINTELPRO...)

Thanks for the warning.

 

[Fifth Way]

I feel ill at ease commenting on a blog where the author himself is not allowed to serve retribution. Let him speak and then at your liberty expose him for the dupe he obviosly is. Any good reasearcher worth their grain of salt needs a Devil's advocate in their midst...

The passion for truth is silenced by answers which have the weight of undisputed authority.

Paul Tillich - (BEWARE! He is obviously another agent for COINTELPRO...)

I do not understand what you are trying to say.

 

[abraham zilver]

I agree that sometimes the irony can be lost on those who have yet to complete their training, but I have faith in you dear Fifth Way, as you are diligent in your pursuit of the truth. Don't give up...

All I have is the Lord in my heart - and that ain't worth a plug nickel on the open market...
~Prozac, Ecstasy and the Wrath of Global Warming (more COINTELPRO to be sure...)

 

[Ryan]

I agree that sometimes the irony can be lost on those who have yet to complete their training,

This comment appears condescending and rude. If I am misinterpreting this, then could you please clarify?

 

[kenlee]

I feel ill at ease commenting on a blog where the author himself is not allowed to serve retribution.

'serve retribution'? That's an odd way to use that word in a sentence. Retribution is something that is served?

 

[Godot]

I feel ill at ease commenting on a blog where the author himself is not allowed to serve retribution

'serve retribution'?That's an odd way to use that word in a sentence. Retribution is served?

Certainly is.I usually have a retribution salad to accompany my morning coffee and croissant.
It's a dish, as salads are, best served cold.
Do you know I'm getting a strange feeling of deja vu here.(blasted Lizzies! leave me alone I tell ya!)
Lessee....
"Now back to Jeff Rense or Alex Jones as Cointelpro and my uncomfortable alleged role here as their Devil's Advocate" quote by Dimitris
in the 'What Rense.com is not talking about' thread', 2006-03-29.
and that oh so oleaginous "dear boy " tone with Fifthway and C@t.
It's either Hannibal Lector looking for Clarice Starling or it's Dimitris or I forgot to take my meds again.:P