Mother of all gushers - BP Oil Disaster in Gulf of Mexico

I can understand it might be frustrating to be given a link you can't access but it might be asking a bit for people to remember which sections are off limits when they post a link. I, for one, cannot tell which ones are off-limits nor can I remember. But I certainly understand the frustration.

Having said that, it only takes ten posts to have those areas "unlocked", from what I recall (someone please correct me if I am mistaken), so it's really not a long time to wait.


If one is serious about contributing and not just satisfying their own curiosity or interests, the ten posts should go by in no time.

As you have probably realized, this forum is unlike any other on the web, OSIT.

Being a research forum, this is actually a network of researchers and a support group for the researchers. Due to the hard work and long hours invested in such research, including the refining process through group analysis and dialogue, a trusting environment has formed which needs to be protected.

Since trust isn't automatically awarded to everyone who joins, ten posts to earn a degree of trust really isn't a lot to invest. But it can give some insight into a member's commitment and makeup.

This is my feeling on it anyway, fwiw.

Keep up the participation in the open areas, the rest will open up soon enough and the content you wanted to see will still be there.

Warm regards,
Gonzo

Edit - changed wording - originally directed to cicero, but I couldn't tell by the quotes if he was quoting someone or speaking for himself, so I removed to first line directing to cicero.
 
Gonzo said:
"Having said that, it only takes ten posts to have those areas "unlocked", from what I recall (someone please correct me if I am mistaken), so it's really not a long time to wait."

Now it takes 50 posts!
sorry for :offtopic:

Edit: quotes
 
_http://www.sbpost.ie/news/world/oil-leak-tension-between-britain-and-us-spills-over-49836.html
Oil leak tension between Britain and US spills over
13 June 2010

"Although BP owns a 65 per cent share in the well, its US-based partner Anadrako owns 25 per cent." :shock:
 
Galahad said:
Maybe. Maybe not. When someone has a lot invested in a solution to a problem, or a new ‘discovery’ or hypothesis, they can become blind to data that conflicts with their wishful thinking. An outside eye, not invested in the solution, may be able to see the error more easily.

I believe you are right. I think this is the same as what happened with the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster involving the O-rings. An environment gets created where the people at the top who call the shots become so convinced of their invincibility, their 100% correct decision making, that opposing opinions or options can no longer be viably offered much less utilized. I read an article many years ago about this situation that totally nailed this concept which made so much sense in understanding how these entirely preventable disasters end up occurring. Unfortunately, I didn't save the article and my description here leaves a lot to be desired. But it does appear to be this type of situation coupled with runaway greed that trumps anything and everything else that has allowed this catastrophe to occur.
 
Could be alarmist disinfo, but in the current climate, who knows. One to watch in any case

http://www.meetup.com/socalmartiallawalerts/messages/boards/thread/9262641

posted June 13th 2010

SoCal Martial Law Alerts (SCMLA) has been in existence for a year and a half and this is our first MARTIAL LAW ALERT.

We have withheld putting out information on the Gulf oil spill for a variety of reasons, but there is now enough evidence for us to put together a fairly clear picture of what really happened, what may result and to warn people who live in the area.

THE SITUATION:

Due to toxic gases from the fractured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, the possible off-gassing of the highly-toxic Corexit 9500 (the chemical dispersant used by BP in the oil spill clean-up), acid rain and various as-yet-unknown forms of environmental damage, we believe that the government will have no choice but to relocate millions of people away from the Gulf Coast. Those living in Florida are presently at the highest risk, but the danger also appears likely to spread to all Gulf Coast states east of Louisiana and possibly even to the entire Eastern half of the United States once hurricane season begins.

Greg Evensen, a retired Kansas Highway Patrolman, estimates that 30-40 million people would need to be evacuated away from the Gulf’s coastline (i.e. at least 200 miles inland). In order to accomplish this gargantuan feat, the federal government (through FEMA and other agencies) would most likely seek first to control and manage the transportation system and then operate relocation centers to manage evacuees. Toward this end, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has already declared the airspace over the oil spill site to be a no-fly zone until further notice. Various sources have indicated that local police, highway patrol, National Guard, US military and foreign troops may be involved in an operation to evacuate the Gulf Coast. In fact, the Governor of Louisiana has already requested evacuation assistance (i.e. National Guard) for his state from the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Those living inland may also be at risk, since the movement of vast numbers of evacuees would cause a significant strain on local resources. In other words, inlanders should not expect life to continue “as normal,” since, under a martial law scenario, the government would have the power and the motivation to seize everyday necessities, such as: food, water, fuel, housing, etc. Some have also suggested that if a hurricane were to occur over the oil spill area itself, lightning might possibly ignite volatile organic compounds, not to mention the acid rain clouds that could form and be carried inland (i.e. acid rain could pollute the water table, destroy crops, kill wildlife and pose significant health risks to humans in the southern and eastern states.)

Lastly, Lindsay Williams, a former Alaskan pipeline chaplain with high-level oil industry connections, has suggested that BP, in conjunction with the federal government, might try to cap the well by using a nuclear explosion – the environmental consequences of which are currently unknown.

OUR RECOMMENDATION:

If you live, or if you know people who live on, or within 200 miles of the Gulf Coast area, we recommend that they immediately relocate to at least 200 miles inland (i.e. the farther away, the better). If people living within this 200-mile zone do not relocate voluntarily (i.e. on their own initiative), it appears likely that a forced evacuation through a martial-law scenario may occur within the coming weeks and (possibly) months.

Our country has been in a state of national emergency since September 11, 2001, which means that martial law (i.e. military rule) can be declared by the President at any time, for any reason – large, or small. If martial law is implemented, evacuees will lose their ability to determine when and where they will move and for how long, since the normal protections of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights will have been suspended. To put it bluntly, a scenario in which evacuees are forced to live in relocation centers for an unspecified length of time is not unlikely.
 
This is really about nothing more than greed, whether it was intentional or not. In that sense, no conspiracy theory need be applied to see beyond the 4D STS manipulative capacity to foresee that this Gulf Oil Spill would happen, and that on some level or another, they knew this would happen, and are in a feeding frenzy at the trough of emotional tribulation.

When we look at the whole basis of the governing philosophy of global greed, its about cutting to the profit levels in due haste, and everything else be damned. In a world where consciousness and conscience had any significant power, even the worst case scenario would have been quickly dealt with in the most heightened of responsive reactions. Fact is, the Stanley Cup was just 'won', and the World Cup is just underway. In other circles there is some other more important matter demanding attention, and those people, if they're even watching the developing Gulf Drama, think they'll deal with it when it gets time to pounce upon them, if 'their government' hasn't already saved their sorry asses. Like that's really going to happen.

I've followed Lindsey Williams since I saw him live in the late '80s, and he passed around a vial with the RFID chip in, explained how it would be introduced and accepted by the sheeple (first in pets, then in infants and children to prevent kidnapping, then in volunteer sheeple, then mandatory), and its pretty much come down that way. He's also been spot on in most of whatever else he's forecast, and I am NOT a Christian, so don't try to go there.

The Cs have pronounced that it's already over for North America, and I can venture that Cliff High's forecasts of a 'diaspora' are about to be realized.

Anyone care to venture what the message and lesson may be for those of us whose attention is placed on the higher significance of this disaster?

I'll choose to be led by the higher self, regardless of appearances, because in the end, that's all there is.
 
I was wondering today about the signification of this. I mean our world is symbolic and the Universe is telling us something very strongly through this catastrophe (even though the 3D effects are caused by 3D reasons). This contamination of the sea, with death of life everywhere and its propagation can have a strong signification if we consider how the sea or water is interpreted by our psyche through dreams for example. What do you think? I have the impression that it is about some darkness contaminating the human consciousness and maybe the universe's message is a strong warning due its seriousness? What do you think?
 
From what I remember, water signifies emotions (in dreams at least).

Using this type of reasoning, emotions are being posioned. (?)

I may be way off of course, but this is an interesting thought either way I think.


mkrnhr said:
I was wondering today about the signification of this. I mean our world is symbolic and the Universe is telling us something very strongly through this catastrophe (even though the 3D effects are caused by 3D reasons). This contamination of the sea, with death of life everywhere and its propagation can have a strong signification if we consider how the sea or water is interpreted by our psyche through dreams for example. What do you think? I have the impression that it is about some darkness contaminating the human consciousness and maybe the universe's message is a strong warning due its seriousness? What do you think?
 
If we are going to look at the symbolism of what's happening in the gulf, and water is the symbol, then I'll suggest that firstly, in my own personal experience, water symbolizes life. And look at all the life that's being extinguished there at present, and how it may evolve to impact humans (and it certainly will).

But even if you look at the symbolism as emotions, you can see how people who are paying attention, because they're not consumed by sports or whatever, are being sucked into the drama, and as I said in my previous post above, the Lizzies are at the feeding trough in this emotional smorgasbord. I think the most important factor for all of us is emotional sobriety; to see what is there to see without being swept into the drama, and to do what we may be able to do insofar as any of us may be able to do anything. In that respect, sometimes it comes down to waiting for the opportunity to act, not in desperation, but in and on purpose.

Otherwise, we can give it to the higher self to lead us to a place of understanding the bigger picture, even if there's never anything we can do but watch and wait.
 
Cicero said:
Anyone care to venture what the message and lesson may be for those of us whose attention is placed on the higher significance of this disaster?

Men have drilled into the deep earth. It is the underworld, the realm of demons, secret knowledge, and sinners.
Man's thinking center is out of balance with the feeling center which values relationship with others, not the game theory
and greed of unbridled intellect. The hubris of man is to think he is God, not knowing or accepting we are made in the
image of God. Man must submit to forces greater or suffer the consequences.

We are running out of time on this ray of creation!
 
go2 said:
Men have drilled into the deep earth. It is the underworld, the realm of demons, secret knowledge, and sinners.

"Sinners???"

Gee, I hope they've got enough room down there for all of us? ;)
 
You + your humor Guardian = laughing.

Thanks.

Just as a side note: Moles have dug many deep sinkholes for all of us "sinners". ;)

Guardian said:
go2 said:
Men have drilled into the deep earth. It is the underworld, the realm of demons, secret knowledge, and sinners.

"Sinners???"

Gee, I hope they've got enough room down there for all of us? ;)
 
Guardian said:
"Sinners???"

An oil volcano sounds Biblical, doesn't it?
I noticed the Southern Baptists can't decide who to blame for this plague
in the Gulf, so I decided to help them out.
:lol:
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100611/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2556 said:
BP's latest oil-spill cleaning tool: paper towels?

Fri Jun 11, 5:50 pm ET

From the time the oil from BP's busted well first came ashore in Grand Isle, Louisiana, Mother Jones reporter Mac McClelland has been snooping around, and posting what she's seen, smelled and heard there on the magazine's website and her Twitter page.

This week she traveled to Grande Terre, a small island just east of Grand Isle that BP has fought hard to keep reporters away from. She reached the island by kayak and was greeted by an odd spectacle: Strewn all across the island were oil-soaked paper-towel sheets. Is this the latest high-tech weapon BP is employing to rid the Louisiana marsh of crude?

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While McClelland was on Grande Terre, a BP cleanup contractor approached her and warned, "We don't need this on camera." Really? We can't imagine why.

I wonder if they're using Bounty, the quicker-picker-upper?! :rolleyes:
 
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/13/oil.disaster.obama/?hpt=T2 said:
Obama to address nation on oil disaster Tuesday night
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 13, 2010 4:28 p.m. EDT

President Obama addresses the nation live Tuesday night at 8 ET with the latest on the BP oil disaster. Stay with CNN for updates on the cleanup and effort to stop the leak.

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama will visit the Gulf states affected by the oil spill on Monday and Tuesday and then address the nation on Tuesday night from the White House on the next steps in responding to the environmental catastrophe, his senior adviser said Sunday.

On his fourth visit to the Gulf region since the disaster began on April 20, Obama will make stops in Theodore, Alabama; Gulfport, Mississippi, and Pensacola, Florida, according to senior administration officials.

After returning from the two-day trip, Obama will make a televised statement from the Oval Office on the night before he is scheduled to meet with top BP officials.

David Axelrod, the senior adviser to Obama, said the president would push BP to create a BP-funded escrow account that will pay for damage claims from the worsening oil spill. In addition, Axelrod said, the plan would call for an independent third party to handle the claims process.

"The president will use every legal device at his disposal to make sure that this money is escrowed and that there is an independent administrator so that claims are not slow-walked, people can get the relief they need in a timely fashion and that we don't create more victims from this terrible disaster," Axelrod told reporters.

Asked if Obama had legal authority to force BP to create the escrow fund, Axelrod said: "The advice is that we have the authority to compel such an escrow fund if it comes to that."

Axelrod noted that BP had "legal responsibilities to its investors but they also have a moral and legal responsibility to the people in the Gulf, and they need to satisfy that."

Asked about trying to force BP to use money intended for shareholder dividends to pay oil spill damages, Axelrod said: "Our interest is less in the dividends that they pay and in their, uh, how they deal with their shareholders than it is making sure the money is set aside for people in the Gulf. ... We're not trying to interfere with, interdict with their legal responsibilities, but we are going to make sure they meet their responsibilities to the people in the Gulf."

The administration's point man on the crisis, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, said Sunday that the push for an escrow fund and third party administrator arose from concerns about BP's ability to handle the task.

"We've been very concerned about the claims process," Allen said on the CBS program "Face the Nation." "This is not a core function of an oil-producing company. And they usually retain a third party contractor to do that. It's not clear to us that there's the right of transparency involved concerning the data ... how long it takes to pay claims."

Allen noted that BP was "a company that's got a lot of wealth inside it," and therefore he believed it could handle the bill for damages.

Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is circulating a letter among his caucus that calls for BP to create a $20 billion account to pay oil spill clean-up costs and damages.

The letter to BP Group Chief Executive Tony Hayward, signed so far by 54 members of the Senate Democratic caucus, notes that the damages from the smaller Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska's Prince William Sound amounted to $7 billion, but Exxon paid far less for damages while continuing to make major profits.

"In order to ensure BP fully and quickly covers the cost of this disaster, we are calling on BP to immediately establish a special account of $20 billion, administered by an independent trustee, to be used for payment of economic damages and clean-up costs," the senators' letter says.

The White House has asked U.S. television networks for time to broadcast Obama's address at 8 p.m. ET on Tuesday. According to the White House, the address is expected to be about 15 minutes long and cover the Gulf oil crisis, including reorganization at the Mineral Management Service in the Interior Department and how much oil is flowing from the broken well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.

In addition, the address will look ahead to the president's meeting with BP executives on Wednesday, the White House said.

The decision for Obama to make a major address to the nation on the Gulf oil spill came together Friday and Saturday, according to senior administration officials. Just days before, the White House had indicated no such address was in the works for the very near future.

On Sunday talk shows, politicians argued over the effectiveness of the administration's response since the April 20 explosion and fire on an offshore oil rig started the disaster.

Republican Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana criticized Obama for what he called a slow reaction to the magnitude of the crisis, telling CNN's "State of the Union" that the president failed to take active leadership of the situation.

"This administration did not send Cabinet-level officials to the region until 10 days after the explosion occurred," Pence said. "It would be two weeks after the explosion occurred that we began to hear from members of Congress from the region that you literally had fishermen standing on docks, you had parish presidents who were waiting for BP to give them permission to go out and deploy boom to protect their wetlands and their coastline."

The administration "continued to fail to provide the energetic leadership that the American people expect," Pence said, adding: "I think the fact that he never spoke to the CEO of British Petroleum for the first 50 days of this incident is emblematic of the kind of detached style of leadership that we're seeing here."

On the same program, Democratic Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina said Obama was providing a "steady hand" and the intellectual capability to understand "all the nuances of various issues" involving the oil spill and resulting disaster. He rejected complaints that Obama failed to exert sufficient leadership, noting that the government response involved multiple agencies with different responsibilities.

"When you have so many entities involved in this, then it becomes a problem of trying to get everybody on to the same page and focus on to a process that seems sometimes to be contradictory if you go from one agency to another," Clyburn said. "If this were only one or two agencies involved in this process, that would be one thing. But there must be 12, 14, almost 20 entities involved, and so managing that gets clumsy sometimes."

Clyburn also said Obama "is much more hands-on at this point than he was at the beginning."

"I don't think any of us knew the real extent of the spill, because we were getting information from BP that now we find out was not quite true, in fact, was far from the truth," Clyburn said.

A video at the same link tells of a donation of alpaca fleece to help clean up the oil. Yep, alpaca fleece and paper towels should definitely do the trick. And $20 billion should buy a heck of a lot of paper towels.
 
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