"no (sham)poo" movement

[Laura]

I gave up, and washed with shampoo yesterday, after about too weeks off shampoo. My scalp was itching too much, my hair greasy and almost gray (it is blond normally)

It might have solved it self had I given it a few weeks more, but I just couldn't stand the dirty feeling any longer.

If your hair was feeling and looking dirty, you obviously weren't doing it right. Or you were using the wrong products.

I use about half a palm full of conditioner, spread it on wet hair, massage my scalp with a head scrubbie, rub the hair with the conditioner on it, and rinse a LOT with very warm water. There is no way that my hair isn't clean. Then I rub it briskly with a towel, comb, and let it dry.

You have to be very careful to use products that do NOT contain any silicone type elements which create a nasty build-up.

 

[Miss.K]

I gave up, and washed with shampoo yesterday, after about too weeks off shampoo. My scalp was itching too much, my hair greasy and almost gray (it is blond normally)

It might have solved it self had I given it a few weeks more, but I just couldn't stand the dirty feeling any longer.

If your hair was feeling and looking dirty, you obviously weren't doing it right. Or you were using the wrong products.

I use about half a palm full of conditioner, spread it on wet hair, massage my scalp with a head scrubbie, rub the hair with the conditioner on it, and rinse a LOT with very warm water. There is no way that my hair isn't clean. Then I rub it briskly with a towel, comb, and let it dry.

You have to be very careful to use products that do NOT contain any silicone type elements which create a nasty build-up.

Maybe it was because I didn't use conditioner, I only washed with water, I am going to order one of these scrubbies as well

 

[Laura]

Maybe it was because I didn't use conditioner, I only washed with water, I am going to order one of these scrubbies as well

Did you miss the part of the discussion/instructions that specified that the super EVIL thing was the sudsing agent of shampoos (along with a few other ingredients) and the point was to use a good, non-evil or much less evil conditioner to clean the hair???; that CLEANING the hair WAS important, not just rinsing it?

Yes, there are some folks who just use water on their hair and some of them can get away with that, but precious few. Heck, even the ancient Scythians used the products of various plants to clean their bodies and hair.

 

[Miss.K]

It was mostly because I didn't have any conditioner, and a friend of mine said the greasiness stopped after about 3 weeks, rinsing with water only

 

[Nimue]

Hello Miss.K

Maybe you like to try hair soap ( as soap block, but especially for hair), it is made out of fat and oils. I have very long ,thin and curled hair and it is very fast greasy. My hairdresser says, that I have optimal hair for dread locks .

I have made the experience, that to wash my hair only with water is no good idea, cause of the limy water we have here, it makes the hair totally blunt and the hair felt unwashed. I have tried a lot of products over the years, and felt always back to commercial products, cause of the quality/texture of my hair.

A Soapboiler ( I met him on a medieval marked) gave me the advice with the hair soap, first I was sceptical, cause of my greasy hair and to use a soap made out of fat , how should this fit together ? Must be the same to hear that you can fight fat with fat (simply speaking!) . But now I am very amazed about the results of a banal natural soap. I prefer hair soap with melissa and hair soap with cinder ( Soap made out of fat and cinder was the classic mixture for body and hair cleaning in former times here in Europe, cause cinder has a powerfull cleaning quality).

Maybe you will give it a try !

 

[Gwenllian]

Anyone loving the results of vinegar but hating the smell, please use rosemary water, it works very similar and smells really good. :)

I put a couple of drops of essential oil (lemon) together with the vinegar in water. It smelled delicious. But I have to start scrubbing, too, as I have the same problems as Miss K. is experiencing. I will use some salt scrub first and see how that goes, maybe even use baking soda?

Salt scrub: 100 grammes of salt mixed with a couple of tablespoons of oil (like sesame oil) and possibly with some emulsifier. Add some essential oil for extra effect.

According to my little book 'aroma- en kleitherapie' (klei=clay) by Rosemarie Ypma lemon, sage, bergamot and sandalwood help with oily hair.

Thanks for all the ideas! :D

 

[SolarMother]

Silicone elements as something to avoid in hair care conditioners.

Personal care:
Silicones are ingredients in many hair conditioners, shampoos, and hair gel products. Some silicones, notably the amine functionalized amodimethicones, are excellent conditioners, providing improved combability, feel, and softness, and lessening frizz. The phenyltrimethicones, in another silicone family, are used in reflection-enhancing and color-correcting hair products, where they increase shine and glossiness (and possibly effect subtle color changes). Phenyltrimethicones, unlike the conditioning amodimethicones, have refractive indices (typically 1.46) close to that of human hair (1.54). However, if included in the same formulation, amodimethicone and phenyltrimethicone interact and dilute each other, making it difficult to achieve both high shine and excellent conditioning in the same product.

I used to use the 'curly girl' method--for about a year
http://www.wikihow.com/Follow-the-Curly-Girl-Method-for-Curly-Hair of a good conditioner twice a week, but I experienced build up as Miss.K speaks of, so I stopped. Now I am thinking that the conditioner might have had silicone elements in it. i'm going to give it another go after reading this thread. My hair is wavy and very fine.

 

[Miss.K]

Hello Miss.K

Maybe you like to try hair soap ( as soap block, but especially for hair), it is made out of fat and oils. I have very long ,thin and curled hair and it is very fast greasy. My hairdresser says, that I have optimal hair for dread locks .

I have made the experience, that to wash my hair only with water is no good idea, cause of the limy water we have here, it makes the hair totally blunt and the hair felt unwashed. I have tried a lot of products over the years, and felt always back to commercial products, cause of the quality/texture of my hair.

A Soapboiler ( I met him on a medieval marked) gave me the advice with the hair soap, first I was sceptical, cause of my greasy hair and to use a soap made out of fat , how should this fit together ? Must be the same to hear that you can fight fat with fat (simply speaking!) . But now I am very amazed about the results of a banal natural soap. I prefer hair soap with melissa and hair soap with cinder ( Soap made out of fat and cinder was the classic mixture for body and hair cleaning in former times here in Europe, cause cinder has a powerfull cleaning quality).

Maybe you will give it a try !

Thank you Nimue,
I'll try the Rhassoul for the moment and if it gives great looking hair, good, but if not I'll definitely try this one.
I like the idea of fighting fat with fat, (it seems to be the case with eating fat and loosing weight ;)

 

[Miss.K]

Anyone loving the results of vinegar but hating the smell, please use rosemary water, it works very similar and smells really good. :)

I put a couple of drops of essential oil (lemon) together with the vinegar in water. It smelled delicious. But I have to start scrubbing, too, as I have the same problems as Miss K. is experiencing. I will use some salt scrub first and see how that goes, maybe even use baking soda?

Salt scrub: 100 grammes of salt mixed with a couple of tablespoons of oil (like sesame oil) and possibly with some emulsifier. Add some essential oil for extra effect.

According to my little book 'aroma- en kleitherapie' (klei=clay) by Rosemarie Ypma lemon, sage, bergamot and sandalwood help with oily hair.

Thanks for all the ideas! :D

Is the salt scrub for washing the hair? If you use it for the hair and it's working well, please report it here :), I'm curious as I only ever heard of/tried salt scrub for the body (though I heard that it is good to use half salt, half sugar, as the salt dries the skin, and sugar doesn't.)
I got some from a friend a while ago (all used up now) who has a nice recipe, and I am going to buy ingrediences for making more this week, as I really loved the feel and the smell of my skin after using it.
It was made with salt and sugar, with almond oil, and oils: Rose, Aniba Rosaeodora, Neroli, Bergamot Orange,
-very lovely smell!

 

[Laura]

I have to say that I don't understand all the mixing and making of solutions, mixtures, etc, to put on the hair when it is so easy to just get in the bath/shower, pick up a bottle of nice-smelling natural conditioner, glop it on, scrub, rinse, and be done with it.

Having said that, all of these recipes MIGHT be useful if other things become no longer available. And I guess there is a certain satisfaction in making it yourself; I just don't have a lot of time.

 

[EGVG]

I have to say that I don't understand all the mixing and making of solutions, mixtures, etc, to put on the hair when it is so easy to just get in the bath/shower, pick up a bottle of nice-smelling natural conditioner, glop it on, scrub, rinse, and be done with it.

Having said that, all of these recipes MIGHT be useful if other things become no longer available. And I guess there is a certain satisfaction in making it yourself; I just don't have a lot of time.

I personally have a passion for cosmetics and that kind of stuff. I love making my own products whenever I can and yes it is a very satisfactory feeling to make it your self, kinda like cooking for me. But if you have no time and really don't fancy the idea of making your own products then as you say, there's no point in it, especially when you have so many good smelling and chemical free product available all around the globe. :)

Just for the sake of sharing with you guys here are some of my recipes I use to clean my hair and scalp.

Aloe Vera mask: 1 aloe Vera leaf
1 tablee spoon of bicarbonate soda = BS

Leave the aloe leaf soaking in water with ice for 2-3 hours until the yellow stuff/blood is gone, then peel the skin and place the gel in a bowl, add the BS and mix well, then use half all over your hair and scalp, massage a little and then let it rest on your head for 1 hour, then rinse it in the shower and use the rest of the mixture as shampoo or even body wash, this recipe can be use all over the body it sooo good :) And will leave you hair super clean. Great for oily scalps!

Calendula and chamomile water: Just put the flowers (dry or fresh) in a bowl cover them with hot water and let them rest for 2-3 hours or over night, add a pinch of BS and then use it to rinse your hair or as a facial toner or even as an after shave. Really good for acne prone skin and sensitive skin.

Rosemary water: Put the rosemary in a bowl and add boiling water, let it rest for at least 3 hours. Just like that, makes a really good hair rinse, add 2-3 tablee spoons of BS and you'll have a more cleansing water. If you are experiencing hair loss this rinse will undoubtedly help you. For extra protection against hair loss add some nettle at the beginning with the rosemary.

Hope this is helpful! ;)

All of this recipes have been tested by me and I have had not a single problem with them, the only down side is that they do take some time to make so if you are looking for something fast this recipes will not help you, however I think its nice to take some minutes and pamper your body! You deserve it!!!

 

[daveOS]

I have to say that I don't understand all the mixing and making of solutions, mixtures, etc, to put on the hair when it is so easy to just get in the bath/shower, pick up a bottle of nice-smelling natural conditioner, glop it on, scrub, rinse, and be done with it.

I evolved to a similar program after giving up shampoos a few years ago and iterating through a couple of different solutions similarly suggested here. Its the time factor and I see no point in denying all modern manufactured products, though a couple of the concoctions noted here likely do provide optimal results for those who've tuned useage to their intended purposes.

In any case all of this discussion makes me think about the movie "Metropia", and search results are empty when I look for it, so I wanted to make sure to note it here, especially for those dialing in the Sott investigative team. Its an animated feature film of a 1984-esque situation in which the hero encounters some very strange potentials in shampoo tied to the corporate run state complete with fascist dictator calling the shots through shadow society. The hero goes crashing down the rabbit hole chasing a skirt jeopardizing all he knows thats good and just. Excellent dystopia future vision rendered in a unique animated style, great voice acting, quirky reality check. I've watched it twice catching totally different aspects the 2nd time and I suspect it'll make a good midnight view again someday, but a consistent side effect I experienced was hard pondering of who's using who when I use modernly manufactured means, and the implications therein expand exponentially the more I think about that, so more power to the folks seizing their creative capacities in wielding the elements!

_http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985058/
Metropia (2009)
In the near future, oil reserves are nearly depleted and Europe is connected by series of underground tunnels. While navigating these tunnels, Roger hears voices, one in particular. Seeking a way to rid himself of the voice only leads Roger deeper into a bizarre conspiracy of control - mind and body. Written by Pusan International Film Festival

Story takes place in 2024, Europe. Natural resources are depleted and global financial markets crashed. One company controls global European subway system called "The Metro". After hearing voice inside his head Roger meets Anna - model which offers him help in getting rid of it which starts unraveling global surveillance and mind control conspiracy.

 

[Laura]

All of this recipes have been tested by me and I have had not a single problem with them, the only down side is that they do take some time to make so if you are looking for something fast this recipes will not help you, however I think its nice to take some minutes and pamper your body! You deserve it!!!

Well, those sound really interesting and easy so I may try something like that one day! But for now, time is what I have very little of. I'm trying to get Amazing Grace on my website after promising for several years... plus I'm trying to finish reviewing tapes and getting old sessions all published PLUS we want to have a new session very soon...

 

[EGVG]

All of this recipes have been tested by me and I have had not a single problem with them, the only down side is that they do take some time to make so if you are looking for something fast this recipes will not help you, however I think its nice to take some minutes and pamper your body! You deserve it!!!

Well, those sound really interesting and easy so I may try something like that one day! But for now, time is what I have very little of. I'm trying to get Amazing Grace on my website after promising for several years... plus I'm trying to finish reviewing tapes and getting old sessions all published PLUS we want to have a new session very soon...

I'm pretty sure you are super busy and wish you all the best in every aspect of your labor, but don't forget to get enough sleep! I've never read Amazing Grace, will do it when you upload it ;)

I'm so glad to hear that you will try some of this recipes in the future I hope you enjoy them a lot and that they help you relax (if needed) in the making, using and delivery! :)

 

[Gwenllian]

I ditched my so-called organic, natural conditioners after reading in PBPM what chemicals to look out for in skin care products. Cannot find the quote, I am afraid.
Dr. Joe Mercola sometimes reports on organic skin care products and warns against them.

And I bought them in an organic shop.

So, I see no other way. I will have to make the stuff myself. And it doesn't take much time, I would think.

Is the salt scrub for washing the hair? If you use it for the hair and it's working well, please report it here :), I'm curious as I only ever heard of/tried salt scrub for the body (though I heard that it is good to use half salt, half sugar, as the salt dries the skin, and sugar doesn't.)
I got some from a friend a while ago (all used up now) who has a nice recipe, and I am going to buy ingrediences for making more this week, as I really loved the feel and the smell of my skin after using it.
It was made with salt and sugar, with almond oil, and oils: Rose, Aniba Rosaeodora, Neroli, Bergamot Orange,
-very lovely smell!

I will report back, Miss K. Right now I am experimenting. ;)

I use the salt, because I read in this thread that was it Alana (?) used soda for her hair with good results. And I have to say that the build up is gone. I tried the scrubby, but find it easier to use the salt and I still had some scrub powder left from a course in natural health products.

I still think my hair doesn't look good, but I think I used too much essential oil in my vinegar mixture.

Well, those sound really interesting and easy so I may try something like that one day! But for now, time is what I have very little of. I'm trying to get Amazing Grace on my website after promising for several years... plus I'm trying to finish reviewing tapes and getting old sessions all published PLUS we want to have a new session very soon...

You do have to relax sometimes, Laura. And working with these ingredients (because it is so simple) do wonders to my sense of empowerment, but also it relaxes me no end.