Don Cesar
The Living Force
Yes, that’s the problem and the goal !
Olympic games in Paris (2024)
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Do you remember The Falling Man from the Twin Towers attacks? Well, this poster reminds me of the man who threw himself from somewhere from one of the towers, and who is part of the collective subconscious, I think.
XPan
The Living Force
Regarding Khelif being male or female
It is more complicated
From Twitter / X - “ReduxxMag”
Khelif, along with Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting, had been previously disqualified from the 2023 Women's Boxing World Championship after it was determined they had an unfair advantage over female boxers
It is more complicated
From Twitter / X - “ReduxxMag”
Khelif, along with Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting, had been previously disqualified from the 2023 Women's Boxing World Championship after it was determined they had an unfair advantage over female boxers
Benjamin
The Living Force
The Dr. Ardis Show | How to Identify a Psychopath w/ Dr. Lee Merritt | Episode 07.24.2024
In this week's episode of The Dr. Ardis Show, Dr. Bryan Ardis is thrilled to welcome Dr. Lee Merritt, known as the "Medical Rebel," to discuss a fascinating and timely topic: "How to Identify a Psychorumble.com
I've got a ways to go in catching up on this thread, but I just wanted to say that at this point in the video where she's explaining the 'devil horns' hand gesture, I suddenly remembered I had a dream about watching this video many years ago. Freaky! Also, I just noticed, when I stopped the video to write this, I just happened to stop it at 34:34.
Evan
The Living Force
Regarding the “devil horns” gesture: In Hatha yoga it is known as Apãna Mudrã, a gesture to believed to rejuvenate the body. In Buddhism it is Karana Mudrã, an apotropaic gesture to expel demons. In heavy metal circles, mostly due to its long use by Ronnie James Dio of Rainbow and Black Sabbath fame, who as an Italian learned it from his grandmother as La Corna (a gesture to ward off the evil eye), it’s become a general symbol of metal music. More recently (or concurrently to Dio’s career) what began as a symbol against evil has been co-opted by the Satanic cult of Anton LaVey as a greeting, thus “devil horns”.
taratai
Jedi
Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.
Being young and inexperienced does not shield someone from being turned into a human sacrifice. Because this is what all this farce boils down to: human sacrifice.
It is one big sacrificial ritual in the name of uncaring "gods" that organized this event. The difference is that, instead of killing outright, they make people do things like swimming in feces.
And Natus Videre noticed very aptly - it's just like with Covid. How many people were shunned and ostracized because they didn't want to take the vaccine? How many lost their job and career?
So many people fell in line due to fear. They wanted to avoid pain of being put against their peers, of being alone, so they accepted everything. They bent their knee.
Today, the price they pay for that is their health. They wanted to avoid suffering in the present, so they chose to suffer (and maybe even die) in the future, hoping that it will never come to that. Yet, here we are, and that is now their new present.
And the only answer from the uncaring "gods" that made them do it, is "you did it to yourself! you didn't have to do this! it's not our fault!"
In a way, the "gods" are right, because it always goes like this. "it will be fine", people think. "it has to be done". "i have no choice". Fall in line out of fear and desire for safety, accept everything you are told, sell your soul.
Then, when it is all over, when people forget, the time to pay comes.
And it will keep repeating, until people stop accepting it. Until they stop their wishful thinking that "everything will be fine", and finally say "no".
Someone has to be the first one to say "no". Someone has to stand alone against the entire world, and face everyone's wrath, to be perceived as "the bad guy".
How many people are willing to do that?
Instead, people keep looking around and waiting for someone else to be the first one.
They don't want to upset the status quo. They want to be good and upstanding citizens. They want to be nice, to be encouraging, to be accepting of other people's feelings. And they do not want to suffer.
This is especially true for women, as they tend to care more about social harmony than men. Woke culture abuses that, flips everything in its head, and then guilt-trips women into submission.
That is the self-serving nature of humans taking over. It is the willful ignorance and deluding oneself that pain can be avoided. It is the wishful-thinking mantra of "maybe it won't be so bad" and "it will be fine... everything will be fine...".
It cannot change, until people get out of that self-serving mindset.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
And perhaps the number of fingers on the hand of some ruling race and that has filtered down to religions and so on.
Debra,
I agree. I have meet a few U.S. Ski Team athletes, parents, coaches, and care takers. The expense to even get to that level is immense. Years of expenses long before any sponsorship will come along. I was shocked when I learned that the athletes representing the USA have to cover their own costs to go to the Olympics, so they must have sponsors that they are beholden to. For the winter sports the children (all of this starts pretty young) spend months away from their homes, and families training. Even the parents can be split up from each other for long periods of time. Besides daily training, they also do their school work.
I felt bad for them really. For what exactly?
m2c
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
I agree, I went to a university where a lot of elite athletes (i.e. guys aiming for the Olympics in their chosen sport) used to train and so got to know one or two. The one thing they have in common is dedication to their sport. I'd say the kind of dedication they have is not common to the ordinary man. These guys literally live and breathe their sport, and they sacrifice a lot. I think it's worth remembering that a lot of these guys are also very young and others in their age range are certainly not living similarly disciplined lifestyles.
I don't think they earn a lot either on average. The big bucks only come to those who reach the summit but underneath those guys are thousands who if they don't make it by a certain time have to get a regular job - usually stuff like coaching, personal trainers or something they can leverage their knowledge of sport.
In short, I wouldn't talk down on Olympians (as a collective). Ps, this is not related to those who cheat.
i want to post this, written a few days ago, before it is obsolete..
ARE THE PARIS2024 OG INFESTED BY DEI??
dear forum, in my post 424, i wrote about the boxing fight between the algerian “trans” and the italian woman, who gave up after “blows stronger than anything she experienced before”. my post was quite flippant and did not do justice to the problem encountered. in the present post, i try to come to a more factual assessment of the fundamental societal problems evidenced.
my first compassion goes to the many spectators who paid a lot to witness a 46s show and i hope the ioc will reimburse them... will they???, is this foreseen in their holy statutes? i say this because MONEY and value for money seems to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR so called society...
this fight raised the question whether so called “trans” persons should be allowed to fight with REAL woman when it is not immediately evident whether the trans body really has mutated into an - hopefully - attractive female, or has remained a male body STILL with the force of a male.
the algerian was accepted in female boxing because “his passport said he was BORN female”. so, the ioc looks at passports instead of looking at people with their own eyes??? so, let me look for them:
1. looking at the algerian person, i do NOT get the impression to see a young woman, but i see a perfect male youth:
- his face is that of a man, strong eyebrows
- he has strictly no breasts. moreover, he demonstrated his desire for breasts, as evidenced by a short slow motion video where he grope the right italian breast...
- he is taller than the woman, therefore HE HAS A LONGER REACH. thereore, the matchig of the opponents was not done by the organizers although it could easily have been done so. to me, it even looks like the matching was done to the advantage of the algerian. this decision smacks of DEI because, evidently, algeria needs to win something as they are at a disadvantage with respect to richer countries...
2. the algerian had a long record of successes, but i did not care to verify whether against females, wiki knows this..
3. the algerian was already banned in the past, which, for the IOC, was NOT WORTH AN INVESTIGATION, since his passport declared him female. neither did his passport show his height... i therefore have the suscpicion that he was accepted as female, in SPITE OF EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, so that this fight could demonstrate the DIVERSITY of the fighters, enjoying EQUITY and INCLUSION, thus demonstrating how wonderful these ”games” are as regards the woke DEI objectives of the “organizers”.
in my earlier post (424), i had a simple suggestion to determine the sex of a person: HAVE A LOOK AT THE GENITALS. but this was termed as “HUMILIATING”. but no, they prefer to look at the passport (remember attal’s passport in 911?) or make complex state of the art measurements of adn or testosterone. but even i, a stupid male, know when a girl is a girl when i see one, without tests.CAN THE IOC EVEN MORE STUPID AS I????
4. now, let me have a look at the ioc. it is:
- INTERNATIONAL. aha. i worked and suffered in an international organisation. in these, some are more international than others. so, for the ioc, which countries are represented there??? surely enough to ensure DIVERSITY...
- COMMITTEE. aha. who is the chairman? i “worked” in many committees. in all justice, the chairperson should be sexually neutral, but this is impossible. so, i assume they achived DEI by rotating chaimanship through all possible dualities (black/white, male/female, etc).
- HOW DOES A COMMITTEE COME TO A DECISION??? an output of committee meetings are minutes. could these be made public??? but no, EVERYTHING THE IOC DOES IS CONFIDENTIAL. why??? secret defense? political games?
MY CONCLUSION
i have the impression that the rise of wokeness = stupidity, worldwide and also, to my infinite regret, in france supposed to have intellectual integrity, has prevailed in these olympic games. DEI is certainly desirable, but requires additional criteria such as quality, competence, justice and surely more. these games are a good opportunity to refine the social criteria so that everyone is given the opportunity to fit meaningfully into society..
i now look forward to the convoluted explanations of the ioc, and i am keen to witness their closing ceremony...
writing this took time, which i gladly invested in compassion with the italian lady. may she be happy in the future and have learned that intelligent cooperation is preferable to brutal and reckless competition. one could also read hermann hesse’s glasperlenspiel, as there is nothing new under the sun. more later.
ARE THE PARIS2024 OG INFESTED BY DEI??
dear forum, in my post 424, i wrote about the boxing fight between the algerian “trans” and the italian woman, who gave up after “blows stronger than anything she experienced before”. my post was quite flippant and did not do justice to the problem encountered. in the present post, i try to come to a more factual assessment of the fundamental societal problems evidenced.
my first compassion goes to the many spectators who paid a lot to witness a 46s show and i hope the ioc will reimburse them... will they???, is this foreseen in their holy statutes? i say this because MONEY and value for money seems to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR so called society...
this fight raised the question whether so called “trans” persons should be allowed to fight with REAL woman when it is not immediately evident whether the trans body really has mutated into an - hopefully - attractive female, or has remained a male body STILL with the force of a male.
the algerian was accepted in female boxing because “his passport said he was BORN female”. so, the ioc looks at passports instead of looking at people with their own eyes??? so, let me look for them:
1. looking at the algerian person, i do NOT get the impression to see a young woman, but i see a perfect male youth:
- his face is that of a man, strong eyebrows
- he has strictly no breasts. moreover, he demonstrated his desire for breasts, as evidenced by a short slow motion video where he grope the right italian breast...
- he is taller than the woman, therefore HE HAS A LONGER REACH. thereore, the matchig of the opponents was not done by the organizers although it could easily have been done so. to me, it even looks like the matching was done to the advantage of the algerian. this decision smacks of DEI because, evidently, algeria needs to win something as they are at a disadvantage with respect to richer countries...
2. the algerian had a long record of successes, but i did not care to verify whether against females, wiki knows this..
3. the algerian was already banned in the past, which, for the IOC, was NOT WORTH AN INVESTIGATION, since his passport declared him female. neither did his passport show his height... i therefore have the suscpicion that he was accepted as female, in SPITE OF EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, so that this fight could demonstrate the DIVERSITY of the fighters, enjoying EQUITY and INCLUSION, thus demonstrating how wonderful these ”games” are as regards the woke DEI objectives of the “organizers”.
in my earlier post (424), i had a simple suggestion to determine the sex of a person: HAVE A LOOK AT THE GENITALS. but this was termed as “HUMILIATING”. but no, they prefer to look at the passport (remember attal’s passport in 911?) or make complex state of the art measurements of adn or testosterone. but even i, a stupid male, know when a girl is a girl when i see one, without tests.CAN THE IOC EVEN MORE STUPID AS I????
4. now, let me have a look at the ioc. it is:
- INTERNATIONAL. aha. i worked and suffered in an international organisation. in these, some are more international than others. so, for the ioc, which countries are represented there??? surely enough to ensure DIVERSITY...
- COMMITTEE. aha. who is the chairman? i “worked” in many committees. in all justice, the chairperson should be sexually neutral, but this is impossible. so, i assume they achived DEI by rotating chaimanship through all possible dualities (black/white, male/female, etc).
- HOW DOES A COMMITTEE COME TO A DECISION??? an output of committee meetings are minutes. could these be made public??? but no, EVERYTHING THE IOC DOES IS CONFIDENTIAL. why??? secret defense? political games?
MY CONCLUSION
i have the impression that the rise of wokeness = stupidity, worldwide and also, to my infinite regret, in france supposed to have intellectual integrity, has prevailed in these olympic games. DEI is certainly desirable, but requires additional criteria such as quality, competence, justice and surely more. these games are a good opportunity to refine the social criteria so that everyone is given the opportunity to fit meaningfully into society..
i now look forward to the convoluted explanations of the ioc, and i am keen to witness their closing ceremony...
writing this took time, which i gladly invested in compassion with the italian lady. may she be happy in the future and have learned that intelligent cooperation is preferable to brutal and reckless competition. one could also read hermann hesse’s glasperlenspiel, as there is nothing new under the sun. more later.
Debra
The Living Force
@Josi asked: “I felt bad for them really. For what exactly?”
I suspect that they really believe, and are living their best life, at the level of man #1, and #2, from Gurdjieffs “Seven Types of Man”.
Most of us on the forum have done the reading, gained the “theory”, of the types of man, so to say, perhaps our observations are revealing the “practical”, real life examples of the behaviour and drive, that “mechanical/emotional man” exhibits.
From a very interesting website:
“Gurdjieff claimed that modern man is often found in a state of somnambulism, without true discernment of self and one's inner potential. However, he distinctly states that there are seven categories of men, each representing a different stage of evolution and awareness.
The first type is the mechanical man, a kind of automaton who acts impulsively, completely unaware of his purpose in life. He is a prisoner of his immediate desires and needs, with no understanding of the consequences of his actions.
The second type it is that of the emotional man, a person who is consumed by his emotions and instinctive reactions. Emotion imparts its dominance to his life, preventing him from seeing the world objectively and lucidly.
[…]
Here’s the link, if anyone’s interested in a bit of a “refresher”.
fontanaeditore.com
Brilliant observations made by you both, and as @SOTTREADER wrote, “...dedication they have is not common to the ‘ordinary man’”, yeah, that’s the same observation I’ve had.
I suspect that they really believe, and are living their best life, at the level of man #1, and #2, from Gurdjieffs “Seven Types of Man”.
Most of us on the forum have done the reading, gained the “theory”, of the types of man, so to say, perhaps our observations are revealing the “practical”, real life examples of the behaviour and drive, that “mechanical/emotional man” exhibits.
From a very interesting website:
“Gurdjieff claimed that modern man is often found in a state of somnambulism, without true discernment of self and one's inner potential. However, he distinctly states that there are seven categories of men, each representing a different stage of evolution and awareness.
The first type is the mechanical man, a kind of automaton who acts impulsively, completely unaware of his purpose in life. He is a prisoner of his immediate desires and needs, with no understanding of the consequences of his actions.
The second type it is that of the emotional man, a person who is consumed by his emotions and instinctive reactions. Emotion imparts its dominance to his life, preventing him from seeing the world objectively and lucidly.
[…]
Here’s the link, if anyone’s interested in a bit of a “refresher”.
The seven types of men according to Gurdjieff
There are seven types of men according to Gurdjieff. He developed a system for categorizing human beings into seven different levels of awareness
fontanaeditore.com
ApotheosisMMC.
Jedi Council Member
Well guess what, the prediction isn't completely accurate, apparently it got even worse since the two finalists would be more men than women:
The results were not made public due to confidentiality, but it seems that the Taiwanese has a condition similar to the Algerian.
It's all very unfair to the female competitors... but the final will be "fair" in a certain sense, what a bad joke.
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Corvus
Dagobah Resident
It depends on the sport and not all sports have same level of difficulty. Those main ones they earn very well, and depends on the country, those not so popular sports there are no sponsors in those poorer countries and there are no priviliges compered to popular sports and western countries whose university education is on the level of primary school compered to others like in US and they pass it without even practicaly going to college because of their sport status. There is also no fairness in sports when it comes to earnings and popularity even if poorer sports more difficult. And if they cheat? Most of them cheat and take roids and all kind of performance substances because their body could not take so much wear and tear through intensive everday training, and when they hit 40 ties their bodies are spent like they are in their 60 ties, so the good question is to ask was it worth the money and passing fame? Not mentioning most of them are only good for physcial training and no brains, many are egotistical and selfish, to me very shallow existence but hey everbody has its way and it is not also easy that kind of life and better then todays most physicaly docile population. Like for one example Djokovic who is great tennis player and worker in that regards but for close people around hiim from what I heared egomaniac to them. There are and those who are truly inspiring and good people down to earth.
BHelmet
The Living Force
This post will be a 90 degree turn. It’s a reply to the Trans thread but I think it fits better here.
(Don’t get me wrong. My lower Hetero Male self has no objections whatsoever!)
Do your butt cheeks hanging out make you run faster and jump higher…and dive better? When the archers and skeet shooters have their derrières exposed, we’ll know we’ve reached the point of no return.
? Do we need an any additions? Aren’t we already there? For years there has been a steady progression of skimpier women’s performance gear. Does a permanent wedgie suit really enhance performance?
(Don’t get me wrong. My lower Hetero Male self has no objections whatsoever!)
Do your butt cheeks hanging out make you run faster and jump higher…and dive better? When the archers and skeet shooters have their derrières exposed, we’ll know we’ve reached the point of no return.
