Organic Portals: Human variation
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Buddy
The Living Force
opossum said:
I agree and it made my day to see your compassionate bent towards your mom. The way you describe your relationship clearly shows the feeding dynamic, but I feel like it also shows a hurt, sensitive mother that knows something is wrong.
wetroof said:
That is interesting. Could it be that it only seems like she doesn't go beyond a certain point? I found myself wondering if she might be operating from within a type of strategic enclosure, herself, in relation to others? If so, it might be for completely different reasons than what we are normally familiar with. I don't know, it's just an impression.
Do you have any of the basic psychology books you could leave lying around so that she might see one or two? Have you read them yourself? Sorry if you've already addressed this elsewhere and I didn't see it. :)
daco
Jedi
I,m a bit confused about OP issue it is not just simple,how we cant see who is OP and who is not,how we cant see this and more important why we cant see it,is there people who can see who is OP and is there any way to see it and not just to bealive in that.
If half od people are OP there must be some "evidence" or measure,how I can accept this idea if I and other cant see who is who in practice.
I,m familiar with this idea and have instictive "feel" that this is true but the question is how we know that someone is OP not just in theory but in practice.How test it in practice to really see the difference betwen souled individuals and OP,how?
All we have is that there are psychopaths,people without empathy,conscience and other qualitates that normal human have or may have (soul for example).I say may have becouse psychopaths can change normal human beings and corrupt them to beyond recognition not just human beings but the entire society.They pathologized every ascept of human being and in this we have problem too,if person is pathologized (in this case normal human being) beyond recognition than we can call that and that person a psychopath and make mistakes about judgments (this scenarios happens too).
Back to topic.
My question remains,is there any way to "see" true difference or we must work on machine and when machine is clean of all garbage and when person gain awareness then someone will see the true difference or we only have theory and in this life we cant really "see" who is OP.
I asked this becouse if we cant see the real difference than I and others must bealive in this but I dont want to bealive in it,I want to truly "see it" or understand it with all my being.
If half od people are OP there must be some "evidence" or measure,how I can accept this idea if I and other cant see who is who in practice.
I,m familiar with this idea and have instictive "feel" that this is true but the question is how we know that someone is OP not just in theory but in practice.How test it in practice to really see the difference betwen souled individuals and OP,how?
All we have is that there are psychopaths,people without empathy,conscience and other qualitates that normal human have or may have (soul for example).I say may have becouse psychopaths can change normal human beings and corrupt them to beyond recognition not just human beings but the entire society.They pathologized every ascept of human being and in this we have problem too,if person is pathologized (in this case normal human being) beyond recognition than we can call that and that person a psychopath and make mistakes about judgments (this scenarios happens too).
Back to topic.
My question remains,is there any way to "see" true difference or we must work on machine and when machine is clean of all garbage and when person gain awareness then someone will see the true difference or we only have theory and in this life we cant really "see" who is OP.
I asked this becouse if we cant see the real difference than I and others must bealive in this but I dont want to bealive in it,I want to truly "see it" or understand it with all my being.
daco
Jedi
I,m a bit skeptic about OP,if we cant verify it in practice than this stay just a theory but strange think is that (talking from my point of view) I see in this truth but I cant verify it and it is weird.
It is not "important" right now and will not make any difference,I just put some questions about this subject,I can see truth in this but I cant "see it" or verify it.So if I cant do this I must believe in this like every seriuos reader on this forum but I dont want to believe.
Everybody on this forum (serious readers) "believe" in this without questioning,if we cant see it in practice or understand it on deeper level than why believe in it.
Bud said:
It is not "important" right now and will not make any difference,I just put some questions about this subject,I can see truth in this but I cant "see it" or verify it.So if I cant do this I must believe in this like every seriuos reader on this forum but I dont want to believe.
Everybody on this forum (serious readers) "believe" in this without questioning,if we cant see it in practice or understand it on deeper level than why believe in it.
Buddy
The Living Force
daco said:
Ok, I was just curious. Fwiw, I think you have a good attitude towards the subject. As for me, I don't 'believe' it the way I think you mean it. I do understand the concept, and I may be one myself, but either way, I can hold it 'open' as an issue awaiting for more puzzle pieces and a deeper and deeper understanding.
Shoot, that's just one of several puzzles I'm working on at the same time. :)
Al Today
The Living Force
daco said:
I think you may have a wrong perception there. Speaking for myself, I DO NOT "believe" without questioning. I have a hypothesis and until more information comes in, I'll go with the most valid theory going on... Many time I post my thoughts, and ask if anyone disagrees. This is the power of network. I cannot do this alone because there are so many diversions from the truth. Things can be discussed... with an open mind... And it hurts when I find out I'm straying from the path of the seeker...
edit: Not straying from the path of the seeker, I meant that krap is thrown on my path that I cannot "see" alone... An extra set of eyes can be a "good" thing. Ya just gotta have an open mind that ALL IS POSSIBLE.
Hi Daco, I certainly find the stand alone information about OP's intruiging. However, I think the context of the information about OP's is given with the bigger picture of soul potential human beings waking up to reality and forming an effective strategic enclosure.
Consequently, whilst I can fall into the habit of wondering whether someone is an OP or not, I think the bigger picture is to be aware of certain peoples behaviours (OP or not doesn't matter) and how this can effect you.
As AT and Bud have said, keeping an open mind is key.
Consequently, whilst I can fall into the habit of wondering whether someone is an OP or not, I think the bigger picture is to be aware of certain peoples behaviours (OP or not doesn't matter) and how this can effect you.
As AT and Bud have said, keeping an open mind is key.
lord jim
The Force is Strong With This One
i wanted to engage in a little speculation about organic portals. at least one small aspect.
i have a very good friend who i've been suspecting is an organic portal. before i continue on, i realize the danger of accusing this and that person of being an organic portal and so forth...and i really do love this person dearly. i've know him for over ten years. and because i've had a chance to observe him for so long, i wanted to make a general observation for what it's worth (maybe not much).
we've had many, many conversations about "the beyond" and "life after death". he has always maintained that he knows that there is nothing after death. now, this guy is very stubborn, and i had always taken this as an extension of this general stubbornness...he's also an atheist, which i totally respect. when it comes down to it, i don't really know that any of these metaphysical things are true. but i do keep an open-mind, even though i tend to believe that there is something beyond what we engage with on a day-to-day basis.
now, i take this person to be a very bright individual. he's very witty. he's very quick with his arguments. he could argue with you that ice is hot and beat you. very good with logic. however, he absolutely refuses to believe in the possibility any sort of after death reality. and i had an hour long discussion this past weekend trying to get him specifically to admit that there may be something that he just can't see where he is.
he then said something that took me aback. he said, "maybe that's true for you. you'll go somewhere after you pass, but i know that i won't. it's just my hardwiring." the fact that he made that distinction and then mentioned hardwiring in his own mind...it got me more convinced of this organic portal theory. not that i'd like to admit that a dear friend of mine is without a soul (initially i instinctively was repulsed by this idea of soulless people...sort of like the idea of predetermination).
anyhow, i wonder if organic portals find it impossible to conceptualize the idea of an immortal soul...simply because that "soul organ" is not present. that "organ" with which we normally dimly sense the unseen, even if it is very, very dim.
anyhow, this may not be correct, much less of any practical importance. i just offer it up for what it's worth.
i have a very good friend who i've been suspecting is an organic portal. before i continue on, i realize the danger of accusing this and that person of being an organic portal and so forth...and i really do love this person dearly. i've know him for over ten years. and because i've had a chance to observe him for so long, i wanted to make a general observation for what it's worth (maybe not much).
we've had many, many conversations about "the beyond" and "life after death". he has always maintained that he knows that there is nothing after death. now, this guy is very stubborn, and i had always taken this as an extension of this general stubbornness...he's also an atheist, which i totally respect. when it comes down to it, i don't really know that any of these metaphysical things are true. but i do keep an open-mind, even though i tend to believe that there is something beyond what we engage with on a day-to-day basis.
now, i take this person to be a very bright individual. he's very witty. he's very quick with his arguments. he could argue with you that ice is hot and beat you. very good with logic. however, he absolutely refuses to believe in the possibility any sort of after death reality. and i had an hour long discussion this past weekend trying to get him specifically to admit that there may be something that he just can't see where he is.
he then said something that took me aback. he said, "maybe that's true for you. you'll go somewhere after you pass, but i know that i won't. it's just my hardwiring." the fact that he made that distinction and then mentioned hardwiring in his own mind...it got me more convinced of this organic portal theory. not that i'd like to admit that a dear friend of mine is without a soul (initially i instinctively was repulsed by this idea of soulless people...sort of like the idea of predetermination).
anyhow, i wonder if organic portals find it impossible to conceptualize the idea of an immortal soul...simply because that "soul organ" is not present. that "organ" with which we normally dimly sense the unseen, even if it is very, very dim.
anyhow, this may not be correct, much less of any practical importance. i just offer it up for what it's worth.
Your friend, from the descriptions you provided, sounds more like Mouravieff's chimera (lack of emotional center) than organic portal. OPs tend to be more emotional than cold, rational thinkers. I don't think being an OP makes it impossible to believe in life after death.
lord jim
The Force is Strong With This One
Heimdallr said:
hummm, i should look into the idea of a "chimera". yeah, i didn't necessarily think that would be impossible to believe in it...but then again, not having the higher centers might make it more difficult, maybe very difficult. though, i was reading that apparently they can sort of sap the energy from these centers to sort of create their own reflection. maybe that would create an illusion even within their own mind.
Bud said:
yeah, i probably didn't really make it clear totally clear, but we've had a lot conversations about the topic in general. but this last very long conversation was completely centered on how he could know something like that. there was really know way that's rational that he could know that...but he offered the explanation that he's not wired that way. even after me approaching it from many, many angles. really trying to get him to admit uncertainty. maybe it's just good old fashioned stubbornness.
i'm probably making too much of it, perhaps.
paralleloscope
The Living Force
I would like to say thankyou for the recent additions to this thread. The theme has also resurfaced in my life, and the mention of sappers and their 'techniques' on chakras, especially the throat and talk-sapping, opened my eyes a new.
Thanks for putting this so simple. The drama is so familiar and we are drawn to it as moths to a flame untill we learn it or are sapped dry. The extraction from this kind of social drama is , as you say, a big challenge for the nice guy program. There has to be some kind of consent of interaction and draining, an invitation so to speak. I have found some of my programs 'calling cards' in sapper relationships mentioned below.
We may not be able to tell if people are OP's lacking a soul, which probably would require a very developed perspicacity, but at an earlier stage of 'inner ligth' development we can know if we are being 'sapped' and deal with them on this level. As Laura says we have relationsships which are beneficial, detrimental or neutral (paraphrase), this kind of status has been very hard for me to do, even though the overall feel of the relationship was bad, there has remained in me the lack of knowledge to discern fully its nature. The sappers mentioned in "Breakthrough to Creativity" may be OP's but I think (as Laura mentioned) that it is a trait that everybody can engage in depending on the level of self centerdness or relationships of bad frequency match.
I am at a point where I have said or am on the verge of saying goodbye to most people from my old life, the tricky part has always been how to say goodbye, is it really just like saying no/goodbye and leaving it at that? Usually the relationships just 'slip' away, but as lessons unlearnt they will resurface in a different form. Now I have to disengage with conscience.
My throat chakra has always been blocked, and at the moment I am looking into my timbre, which can be monotone and can sap myself (and others) on bad days. I try improving my range through singing, the thougth is that one day my voice can match the thrills of the momentum gaining connection with DCM (thanks to EE), a goal to share with musicality in spirit (not slumbering while talking, a program of throat/lower mental centre) and hopefully act like a sonar, pinging back the ones bent on entropy, knowing how and why to leave them alone. Seeing our relationships with these beings is seeing our own relationship with non Being, OSIT.
aleana said:
Thanks for putting this so simple. The drama is so familiar and we are drawn to it as moths to a flame untill we learn it or are sapped dry. The extraction from this kind of social drama is , as you say, a big challenge for the nice guy program. There has to be some kind of consent of interaction and draining, an invitation so to speak. I have found some of my programs 'calling cards' in sapper relationships mentioned below.
We may not be able to tell if people are OP's lacking a soul, which probably would require a very developed perspicacity, but at an earlier stage of 'inner ligth' development we can know if we are being 'sapped' and deal with them on this level. As Laura says we have relationsships which are beneficial, detrimental or neutral (paraphrase), this kind of status has been very hard for me to do, even though the overall feel of the relationship was bad, there has remained in me the lack of knowledge to discern fully its nature. The sappers mentioned in "Breakthrough to Creativity" may be OP's but I think (as Laura mentioned) that it is a trait that everybody can engage in depending on the level of self centerdness or relationships of bad frequency match.
I am at a point where I have said or am on the verge of saying goodbye to most people from my old life, the tricky part has always been how to say goodbye, is it really just like saying no/goodbye and leaving it at that? Usually the relationships just 'slip' away, but as lessons unlearnt they will resurface in a different form. Now I have to disengage with conscience.
scratchpad said:
My throat chakra has always been blocked, and at the moment I am looking into my timbre, which can be monotone and can sap myself (and others) on bad days. I try improving my range through singing, the thougth is that one day my voice can match the thrills of the momentum gaining connection with DCM (thanks to EE), a goal to share with musicality in spirit (not slumbering while talking, a program of throat/lower mental centre) and hopefully act like a sonar, pinging back the ones bent on entropy, knowing how and why to leave them alone. Seeing our relationships with these beings is seeing our own relationship with non Being, OSIT.
This was odd, I did not find a member called scratchpad or this original quote on the forum.
To lord jim:
I found the certainty of your friend somewhat eerie. It may be nothing of course, but it may be simply his own self-made belief to self-calm. However I have wondered myself that when I have run into people that seem pretty much unable to conceive of anything beyond this life as possibly lacking the higher centers and therefore might be organic portals. However I think there might be plenty of OPs who may be quite religious and believe in souls and life after death and be very fervent about it.
However if we look at any religious organization, and let us suppose is made up of half OPs and half of those with higher centers, then I wonder if the depth they experience their own beliefs might have a different flavour between the two groups. Perhaps one is more mechanical in their beliefs, but the other has more of an awareness of "something higher". Anyways, I am just speaking out loud some of my musings on the subject, but I don't claim to know much.
To Daco:
I might also add that when I study the findings of Laura and the people here, I usually take new ideas as just something very worthwhile to investigate and think upon and try to SEE for myself. I also decided that a "belief" for me is simply a conclusion to which I have assigned a lower level of doubt to. OPs has been a tough one for me to SEE, as in the last couple of years I have only been able to discern energy drainers, and I cannot say anything about whether they are OPs.
If we meet an OP what should we do though? I suppose respect them and be compassionate, while protecting our energy. They are beautiful, important parts of creation, like everything on earth is, - plants, animals and so on. They are precious because they serve as a gateway for souls moving from 2D to 3D Adamic man. They have souls, but just cannot seat "individual" souls. Or that is how I am thinking about the matter at this time.
Freyr said:
To lord jim:
I found the certainty of your friend somewhat eerie. It may be nothing of course, but it may be simply his own self-made belief to self-calm. However I have wondered myself that when I have run into people that seem pretty much unable to conceive of anything beyond this life as possibly lacking the higher centers and therefore might be organic portals. However I think there might be plenty of OPs who may be quite religious and believe in souls and life after death and be very fervent about it.
However if we look at any religious organization, and let us suppose is made up of half OPs and half of those with higher centers, then I wonder if the depth they experience their own beliefs might have a different flavour between the two groups. Perhaps one is more mechanical in their beliefs, but the other has more of an awareness of "something higher". Anyways, I am just speaking out loud some of my musings on the subject, but I don't claim to know much.
To Daco:
I might also add that when I study the findings of Laura and the people here, I usually take new ideas as just something very worthwhile to investigate and think upon and try to SEE for myself. I also decided that a "belief" for me is simply a conclusion to which I have assigned a lower level of doubt to. OPs has been a tough one for me to SEE, as in the last couple of years I have only been able to discern energy drainers, and I cannot say anything about whether they are OPs.
If we meet an OP what should we do though? I suppose respect them and be compassionate, while protecting our energy. They are beautiful, important parts of creation, like everything on earth is, - plants, animals and so on. They are precious because they serve as a gateway for souls moving from 2D to 3D Adamic man. They have souls, but just cannot seat "individual" souls. Or that is how I am thinking about the matter at this time.
