Psychopaths being switched on... Virginia Tech Shooter - Greenbaum?

[Bryan]

"Cho's identitiy has been confirmed with a positive fingerprint match
on the guns used in the rampage and with immigration materials.

I posted before seeing this. I find it hard to believe they supposedly couldn't identify him yesterday from fingerprints but finally did today.

It is believed that he was the shooter in both incidents yesterday. Sources say Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March
purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol, sources said. Witnesses had also told authorities that the shooter was carrying a backpack."
The 'receipt in the backpack' thing really sticks out to me as a red flag - sounds like the pristine passport found on the rubble on the WTC, or the Koran and flight manuals found in the cars at the airport after 9/11. It sounds like those extra details that liars put into their lies that give them away.

Yes, it sure does.

I can't see a college kid saving a receipt, much less carrying it around with his guns. As far as the witnesses saying the shooter had a backpack - duh - it's a college campus, so 99.9% of the people have backpacks. Something does not add up here - big time.

I don't think the same person was responsible for both even though both were described as 6' tall Asian men. The student who described him as wearing a leather jacket and beret didn't mention an ammo vest or backpack. Maybe the authorities got a description of the first shooter and brought in a Greenbaum who could match the ethnic background and height ?

 

[Keit]

That what the local news reports being broadcast on TV and radio were describing, the first shooting as an "unrelated incident".
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Weird. Everywhere I read (Russian and Hebrew sources) they all say that the shooter was alone and used the same weapon in both cases.

 

[Bryan]

Weird. Everywhere I read (Russian and Hebrew sources) they all say that the shooter was alone and used the same weapon in both cases.

The initial reports on the TV and radio news broadcasts was that the first shooting was believed to be unrelated and they were still searching for the shooter in the first incident.

 

[Lan8r]

It appears that regardless of the real purpose (Gonzeles issue maybe) they will milk it for all they can.

I have been watching, on and off, CNN for about three hours this morning. In that time they have talked about needing more security and of course, stricter gun control. I saw a clip of one of the Police/Fed stating that they cannot, with complete certainty, link the two incidents at this time. CNN's translation was that a connection could be reasonably assumed! (and I thought to assume anything would be unreasonable!)

And an FBI brass went to great lengths to inform that the suspect was a 'Loner', as are most of the people that perpetrate these types of crimes. (so, if you mind your own business, keep to yourself and don't follow the crowd, you are a prime suspect).

He did also mention, that 'loner types' usually play alot of video games, which he says explains why they can do these things so calmly and efficiently. (a pinch of truth for further distraction maybe)

Oh and now they are evacuating a school in Texas due to a note they found, I think they said was a bomb threat, or possibly a bomb threat.

For the past 3 hours they are still covering nothing but this incident. (not that it not tragic) Maybe because I am watching CNN and not a local news station, but I find it strange that they are not breaking for other news events and coming back for 'continued coverage'. But then I am not used to watching much mainstream news, I don't want to risk becoming brainwashed.

Laurie

 

[Bryan]

It appears that regardless of the real purpose (Gonzeles issue maybe) they will milk it for all they can.

I have been watching, on and off, CNN for about three hours this morning. In that time they have talked about needing more security and of course, stricter gun control. I saw a clip of one of the Police/Fed stating that they cannot, with complete certainty, link the two incidents at this time. CNN's translation was that a connection could be reasonably assumed! (and I thought to assume anything would be unreasonable!)

So they have no evidence that the same guy was responsible for both shootings? It was almost two hours between the shootings so it certainly couldn't have taken him two hours to walk half a mile across campus. The fact they are connecting the two now on little to no evidence proves that something is up.

And an FBI brass went to great lengths to inform that the suspect was a 'Loner', as are most of the people that perpetrate these types of crimes. (so, if you mind your own business, keep to yourself and don't follow the crowd, you are a prime suspect).

They're coming to take me away...

Oh and now they are evacuating a school in Texas due to a note they found, I think they said was a bomb threat, or possibly a bomb threat.

That will certainly keep the public on edge.

For the past 3 hours they are still covering nothing but this incident. (not that it not tragic) Maybe because I am watching CNN and not a local news station, but I find it strange that they are not breaking for other news events and coming back for 'continued coverage'.

That's how it was after 9/11 for a week or more. It will probably be the same with this incident. From what I can recall after the Columbine shootings, the news networks covered it extensively but would cover other stories as well. It wasn't practically round the clock coverage for one incident.

 

[dant]

Keep in mind that the police/Feds had exclusive access. The EMT were NOT allowed in nor
any 'unauthorized personnel'. This exclusive access means the evidence CAN be tampered
with. They can plant anything they want, but this cannot happen with the Police/Feds (...
or can it?). Do you think the police/Feds would camera record EVERY PERSON everywhere
in the building so that proof of non-tampering is preserved for the record so that these
claims could be disproved if brought up? Do you think any questions of this nature would
be brought up by sincere reporters for the record knowing they could be ridiculed for asking
such questions? I think not, but, I could be wrong. I have ample reason to believe it is possible
as many (bad-apple) cops have been proven in court of law to do such things on record. It is
possible that 'damage control' was inserted somewhere or that the they had TWO HOURS to
(re)program the shooter, or ... there are MANY possibilities. The police/Feds currently REFUSE
to link the two incidents together and say it is the same shooter at this time - and again - *could*
be setup in this way for 'damage control' to ensure that the facts are properly placed.

As for 'bullets' flying around - some are HEARD but what about bullets for which cannot be heard?
Silencers/Snipers comes to mind. Who is to say what they heard is exclusively that of the shooter
and not from 'other sources'? What really confused me was: "The shooter killed himself and his
face was unrecognizable'. Huh? Shotgun blast? High powered sniper? Can a .9mm or .22 cause
such damage as to blow a face off to render the face 'unrecognizable'? I wonder...

Your thoughts about surveillance, national ID cards, placing blame on 'foreigners' i.e. to place
'controls' into place because the masses approve it for fear of their safety is likely.

But then again - what if these incidents are a diversion for the real issue and WHAT would that be?
WHO benefits really? Could you say: 'Random acts' of a psychopathic killer and no reason is
necessary to explain this aberrant behavior?

 

[Iconoclast]

I need to find the footage my cousin claims he saw on TV, if it's online. He said a student took a video with their camera phone and there appeared to be bullets coming from the direction the students were running towards, away from the shooter. He also claimed it looked like sparks trailing after/around the bullets coming from that direction. He thought it was the police shooting in there with a high caliber gun.

could it be tracers? that would point even more towards a 'military' shooter.


lots of good analysis in this thread...

and i agree - the 'reciept' thing smells to high heaven!


and since the gunman is also a foreigner and here on a green card will give the anti-immigration folks the perfect ammunition to demand a further lockdown of the country.

 

[Bryan]

Keep in mind that the police/Feds had exclusive access. The EMT were NOT allowed in nor
any 'unauthorized personnel'.

That reminds me of what I heard about rescue helicopters not being used to transport the victims to the hospitals because of the high winds from the Noreaster. The victims would be in pain much longer before getting to the hospital. Food for the moon.

What really confused me was: "The shooter killed himself and his
face was unrecognizable'. Huh? Shotgun blast? High powered sniper? Can a .9mm or .22 cause
such damage as to blow a face off to render the face 'unrecognizable'? I wonder...

I'm not an expert but I doubt a handgun could blow someone's entire face off. That's what it would take for his features to be completely unrecognizable. If he shot himself in the head, that shouldn't change what his mid and lower face looks like.

But then again - what if these incidents are a diversion for the real issue and WHAT would that be?

Everything the Bush Regime has been doing. Corruption was finally going to be exposed.

Could you say: 'Random acts' of a psychopathic killer and no reason is necessary to explain this aberrant behavior?

If it was just a random act of violence there wouldn't be conflicting accounts nor would it have taken so long to identify the shooter. It's all designed to keep people focused on this incident and nothing else, as well as start the final phase of the entire lockdown of the U.S. which is supposed to happen by 2009.

 

[anart]

and since the gunman is also a foreigner and here on a green card will give the anti-immigration folks the perfect ammunition to demand a further lockdown of the country.

Yep, that's already ramping up - very convenient reinforcement of the growing xenophobia in this country - just a perfect little programmed gift package for the PTB.

 

[Bryan]

I need to find the footage my cousin claims he saw on TV, if it's online. He said a student took a video with their camera phone and there appeared to be bullets coming from the direction the students were running towards, away from the shooter. He also claimed it looked like sparks trailing after/around the bullets coming from that direction. He thought it was the police shooting in there with a high caliber gun.

could it be tracers? that would point even more towards a 'military' shooter.

Could be. I need to find this video or ask if he DVRed any of this news footage.

and since the gunman is also a foreigner and here on a green card will give the anti-immigration folks the perfect ammunition to demand a further lockdown of the country.

I knew he would be an immigrant of some kind, and not a 2nd+ generation Asian-American. The Minutemen et al will be used to help lockdown the borders and ports to help keep out any illegals, though mostly to keep U.S. citizens from escaping.

 

[Bryan]

Here's an interview from someone who was shot who describes the shooter the same way as the witness, maroon hat (beret?) and leather jacket.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=errZ_4W4G8w

 

[Bryan]

There's audio here about the shootings, and mentions the police arrested someone before the second shooting and said this was the guy responsible for the shooting at the dorm. Warning: the person who recorded the audio of a press conference(?) for the homemade video is using the video as racist propaganda for what appears to be a neo-nazi group, claiming the Asian guy was shooting people and saying he hated everyone who wasn't Asian. I haven't heard this before and do not believe it to be true since no eyewitness has reported it.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDFqaWhF90

 

[anart]

Yes, I'm sure that's not true - it's been reported by several eye witnesses that the gunman was silent and expressionless - so that's racist propaganda. The police did state that they arrested someone, an Asian man, but let him go, and then, according to reports this morning they are having trouble locating him now for more questioning. Sounds like more deliberate confusion to me.

 

[rylek]

What really confused me was: "The shooter killed himself and his
face was unrecognizable'. Huh? Shotgun blast? High powered sniper? Can a .9mm or .22 cause
such damage as to blow a face off to render the face 'unrecognizable'? I wonder...

I did a short research (by no means exhaustive) into gunshot wounds and it seems that from an ordinary gun .9 or .22 the damage could never have been so bad.

For those with strong stomachs

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/FORHTML/FOR018.html
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~jb3/bullet/gsw.html

http://www.whmc.af.mil/clinics/dental/models/ak47_resin_gunshot_wound_2.asp Here's a stereolithographic cranial model of a AK47 (a high-powered rifle) gunshot victim and the damage is not even close to the damage discussed here.

Someone assumes we watch too many movies.

EDIT: didn't realize that you can actually see the bullet wound in this photo from a newspaper
http://www.roanoke.com/pdfs/041707_frontpage.pdf

 

[Bryan]

He was from the N. VA area, near Dulles Airport... and the CIA, Pentagon, Quantico, etc. Definitely a Greenbaum. Though he was an immigrant he had resided in the U.S. for years and he was a Tech student so it's difficult to understand how it took so long to identify him. The only explanation is that it's a snow job of some kind.

I like how the newscaster mentioned RFK was killed by a .22. Rather appropriate considering another fast one is being pulled on the U.S. population and the world.