Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

However, I still cannot understand why Russian counterbattery forces do not monitor Ukrainian artillery positions from the air in order to preemptively strike them as soon as Ukrainian artillery is deployed in their positions for firing.
Instead, the Russians wait for dozens of shots to be fired at the nuclear power plant, Energodar, and the surrounding settlements, for them to have more casualties in manpower and equipment, and only then, SEVERAL HOURS later, the Russians start returning fire.
Why can't they just destroy all detected AFU military equipment (and all artillery as main targets) BEFORE they once again begin their fire? To stop this and minimize the shelling of the nuclear plant and Russia's own military positions and supply and ammo depots. Especially considering that there is a large percentage of the local population in the "liberated" territories who are still on Zelensky's side and give to AFU and security services all movings and positions of Russian troops and civilian activists.
All in all, it is extremely strange, if not to say stupid. Every day they lose soldiers and civilians dead and wounded, and they do nothing to negate it all. This is another example of Russian indifference in times of war and "we're not rushing anywhere, let's just wait and see what the Ukrainians do (how they shelling at us and destroy buildings, equipment and civilians).
To many questions, I have no answer. What I have noticed it that artillery shells do not always hit their targets. I tried to find out more about the accuracy of current artillery. Much depends on whether it is uses guided ammunition, or not.

There is a concept called Circular Error Probably
In the military science of ballistics, circular error probable (CEP)[1] (also circular error probability[2] or circle of equal probability[3]) is a measure of a weapon system's precision. It is defined as the radius of a circle, centered on the mean, whose perimeter is expected to include the landing points of 50% of the rounds; said otherwise, it is the median error radius.[4][5] That is, if a given munitions design has a CEP of 100 m, when 100 munitions are targeted at the same point, 50 will fall within a circle with a radius of 100 m around their average impact point. (The distance between the target point and the average impact point is referred to as bias.)
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The original concept of CEP was based on a circular bivariate normal distribution (CBN) with CEP as a parameter of the CBN just as μ and σ are parameters of the normal distribution. Munitions with this distribution behavior tend to cluster around the mean impact point, with most reasonably close, progressively fewer and fewer further away, and very few at long distance. That is, if CEP is n metres, 50% of shots land within n metres of the mean impact, 43.7% between n and 2n, and 6.1% between 2n and 3n metres, and the proportion of shots that land farther than three times the CEP from the mean is only 0.2%.

CEP is not a good measure of accuracy when this distribution behavior is not met. Precision-guided munitions generally have more "close misses" and so are not normally distributed. Munitions may also have larger standard deviation of range errors than the standard deviation of azimuth (deflection) errors, resulting in an elliptical confidence region. Munition samples may not be exactly on target, that is, the mean vector will not be (0,0). This is referred to as bias.
A Quora answer was:
Artillery is normally used for indirect fire. In this role accuracy varies from a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of 200 to 300 meters for a 155 conventional round at 15 miles. Precision guided munitions have a CEP of 5 to 10 meters.
Another Quora answer:
Artillery accuracy is measured in "Circular Error Probable"- for example, if you have a CEP of 100 meters, you can expect 50% of the shells to land within 100 meters of the target.

The pattern in which the shells actually fall is called by other terms- the "Sheaf" or "beaten zone" being common, and this is an ellipse, with the long axis along the range line. But the CEP is good way to compare.

CEP for typical unguided tube artillery is 50-200 meters, depending on range.
Rockets are much worse- the junk fired towards Israel has a CEP of around 2-5% of range, that is, at 10 kilometers, CEP can be as much as 500 meters, making it utterly useless against military targets.

Guided artillery weapons today have a CEP a fraction of this - 10 to 20 meters being common, with some as good as 5 meters.

There's another piece or two to the puzzle, though. To hit a target in battle, the gunner must know precisely where the target is. He gets that info from the "Target Aquisition" folks. How accurate are they? And then, the gunner must know precisely where his own gun is. This has become much easier now with GPS, but in Old Times, accurate artillery fire was dependent on accurate surveying.

Here is a paper that in indirect terms confirms that old ammunition is not too precise.
INCREASING THE PRECISION OF ARTILLERY AMMUNITION
October 2018, Conference: DQM International conference, At: Prijevor,Serbia
This paper deals with increasing the precision of artillery ammunition based on precision guidance kit that provides circular error probable less than 50 meters. It is shown that transforming artillery shells into GPS-guided smart munitions can be achieved accuracy of less than 10 meters. Advances of those systems are specially analized. Two examples of the artillery ammunition application have been presented. One of them relatied to Excalibur precision satellite-guided projectile and second one to TopGun precision projectile.
Google answer to: How accurate are 120 mm mortars?
Unguided 120 mm mortars have accuracy of 136 m (446 ft) at maximum range, which can be reduced to 76 m (249 ft) with precision position and pointing systems. The PGMM can hit within 10 meters of a target, and often hits within four, making it seven times more accurate.
PGMM used above, stands for Precision Guided Mortar Munition.

A comment on M142HIMARS,
They use unguided MLRS rockets for training, for combat they have "Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System" (GMLRS) rockets, that are GPS guided. There also are ATACMS Army Tactical Missile System with inertial guided, or GPS guided. rockets. Probably, many of the newer artillery systems sent to Ukraine use guided ammunition.
 

SCOTT RITTER: This Is What Happened in Kharkiv


Thank you for sharing. Here is another perspective from Topwar.ru, that attempts to understand what happened, and why the action in Kherson was different from the Kharkov area. In the article, there were a few pictures, which I skipped.
NATO vs. Russia: dragon vs. hydra
Now, when everyone has begun to calm down a little, it is possible to sort out what happened in Ukraine on the shelves and model certain forecasts.

Retreat

So, the Kupyan-Izyum retreat (although I would call it a flight) took place. And, since we can only accept it as a fact, it is worth paying less attention to the prerequisites and looking more into the future. So that, say, the Kherson-Donetsk retreat operation does not happen.

There are claims to the terms. A retreat is when the troops withdraw according to a pre-agreed plan, perhaps holding the enemy back in rearguard battles and so on. Judging by how much equipment was abandoned, and even the Ukrainians were stunned by the amount of “donated” (in four videos in the TG, I counted 14 tanks, 3 infantry fighting vehicles, 4 self-propelled guns, 1 "Zoo"), it does not look very much like a planned retreat.

There are questions. Of course, it would be worth asking those tankers who abandoned their tanks. Well, the equipment was clearly abandoned due to lack of fuel. Why didn't they blow it up? Why didn't they blow up the ammunition depots in Balakliya? But these questions are the subject of separate consideration.

What can be said about the Armed Forces? NATO instructors have good students.

I belong to that part of the critically minded who believe that men in cartoons are at the tactical tables, and the ukrovoyaks have the second, if not the third, word at the meeting. But the combat units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where there is still a (need to work, yes) a high percentage of fighters who have good combat training, and besides, trained in the UK and other quiet places, fighters turned out to be quite combat-ready, and morale is generally beyond praise.

Pro fighting spirit is not just to praise. Many military correspondents note the tenacity with which the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go on the attack, despite the losses. This is serious. And now, after the Kupyansko-Izyum victory, I suspect that this fighting spirit will have to be knocked out for quite a long time.

This is a downside for us. And let there lie the inability of our generals to correctly assess the operational situation. It's strange, but let it be on the same scale: Ukrainian fighters who know how to fight, foreign instructors who know how to teach and lead, and Russian generals who don't know how to do a lot of things.

Here are the three main components of Ukrainian success. Plus intelligence, which is provided by the American satellite constellation, AWACS aircraft and a cloud of drones. Our side seemed to see that the enemy was assembling a shock fist, but, apparently, lulled by the “successes” in the destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine performed by Konashenkov, they simply did not pay attention to it. The Supreme High Command, the Minister of Defense and the Head of the General Staff went to the Far East to watch how the exercises were going there, and this is where the Ukrainians betrayed.

Let me remind you how the Armed Forces of Ukraine acted near Kherson. This is useful, we discussed behind the scenes with fellow colonels and lieutenant colonels, it turned out that at that time the Armed Forces of Ukraine worked purely according to the methods inherited from the USSR. Well, the colonels with academic education told us so.

Near Kherson, everything was textbook: artillery treatment of the front edge, attempts to depict something aviation (here, yes, our air defense said: “Go ...”), tank strike groups, supported by large infantry forces (in fact, they worked just BTG) tried to push through the defense between clearly identified strongholds, broke through it, armored infantry went into the gap, further " stop”, consolidated and began to look for new weak points in order to hit there with tanks.

Familiar? Of course. To anyone who took the BUSV in their hands, not for a superficial acquaintance. The fact that Ukrainians and Russians acted according to the same manuals led to the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kherson.

The Russian army perfectly implemented the tactics of dragging armored vehicles under artillery and air strikes. It was possible to correctly realize the advantage in artillery and MLRS. The Armed Forces suffered significant losses.

And the “dizziness from success” began, or rather, a period of calm. The Ministry of Defense every day published horrific figures of the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Ukrainian side did not carry out any active actions, and on our side everyone calmed down.

And when intelligence began to report on the concentration of troops near Balakleya and Slavyansk, apparently, the headquarters of the Russian troops decided that the Ukrainians would act according to the same scenario. And the regrouping of our troops began in order to cover precisely the most tank-dangerous directions. That is why it is impossible to explain the presence of reservists from the LPR and units of the National Guard in the same Balakleya.

Alas, the APU were no longer the same. The guys from NATO did a great job. Obviously, it was not Ukrainian officers who led the operation. Tactics were used, something between the Donbass of the 2015 model and the actions of some US units in Iraq.

The main tactical maneuver was the control of the roads. No head-on attacks, no concentration of armored vehicles in shock groups. Mobile DRG strikes on communications, bypasses on wheels of strongholds, followed by the introduction of tanks into the breakthrough - and now a threat is being created to encircle an entire group of Russian troops in Izyum, while Russian military leaders were expecting strikes in completely different places.

What Konashenkov voiced as what “Russian troops were regrouped in the areas of Balakleya and Izyum to achieve the stated goals of a special military operation to liberate Donbass. During the transfer, diversion and demonstration activities were carried out with the designation of the real actions of the troops. In order to prevent damage to the Russian troops, a powerful fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy using aviation, missile forces and artillery., if you look at the footage of abandoned Russian equipment, it still looks more like an escape.

But what is the difference between an organized retreat and an unorganized one, we decided to cover it separately with our tank expert, Lieutenant Colonel Kuznetsov.

In general, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have demonstrated that, under the guidance of NATO instructors, their soldiers are capable of good maneuverability. The Russian side completely “overslept” the beginning of events, which ultimately resulted in the hasty abandonment of large territories both in terms of area and population.

As far as we understand, there were no reserve lines for withdrawal, there were no spare strongholds and no reserve for heavy equipment either. Only on the third day did something more or less meaningful begin: preparation of withdrawal lines (often on the Russian-Ukrainian border), defense on Oskol, distracting counterattacks in other sectors of the front.

Yes, it was a small consolation to read the reports of the fighters of the LPR and Kadyrov's soldiers about the systematic progress forward. Artillery attacks on the advancing units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, rocket strikes began.

Who is to blame for the three days of disgrace to the Russian army is again a separate conversation. A common mistake, from the lieutenant, who abandoned his tanks near Izyum, to the chief of the General Staff, who went to the other end of the country to lead the exercises. It is clear that switchmen will be appointed, there is no doubt about that. But is it really necessary?

First of all, we need to understand that the situation has changed, and it has changed not in our favor. NATO officers who direct the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine know how to lead, moreover, lead quickly. It has been noticed that very often VKS and artillery strikes on the enemy are frankly late and do not bring proper results.

Terror

On the courage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course, they will try to develop success. They already promise to "beat the enemy on his territory," which means like artillery strikes on the settlements of the Kursk and Belgorod regions. I don’t even want to think about the railway (the same one), the Kantemirovka-Chertkovo stretch. Plus DRGs, which will most likely be sent to Russian territory.

Of course, it is easier to carry out terror on the Russian side than to guard and defend. However, if it starts, it won't be tomorrow. The Russian army has time to move the Armed Forces back, away from the border, beyond the range of artillery and MLRS, thereby securing Russian settlements.

You still have to do it.

I have repeatedly asked myself the question of the illogical behavior of the Ukrainian military, who the next day after leaving the settlement begin to shell it. Kind people on the other side explained: the Armed Forces of Ukraine today have an unofficial slogan "Will or death!". That is, "Freedom or death", if in our opinion. The slogan of the anarchists and detachments of Nestor Ivanovich Makhno. Naturally, with Ukrainian modern adjustments.

The adjustments are that if so, then the alignment is as follows: in the event of a threat of occupation of the settlement by the aggressor army (it is clear that the Russian one), all law-abiding citizens of Ukraine are required to evacuate. All relevant structures should (in theory) ensure the evacuation of citizens, help, supply and all that.

It is clear that in reality this does not always happen, not everyone wants to leave. For various reasons, but do not want to. Accordingly, these people become suspected of treason, which means that they can be fired upon with artillery and mortars.

And if one of the servicemen, for one reason or another, does not want to carry out an order to launch an artillery strike on a populated area, then ... You probably don’t need to explain. In this case, the SBU is one of the best scenarios, because the veterans of the ATO, who are now in command positions at the lower level in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, can put a bullet in the back of the head.

In terbats, of course, there are no moral problems.

So the Ukrainian military will shoot at our cities. Who for what reasons, but will. Therefore, it will be necessary to move the front line to the west from the Belgorod and Kursk regions, where, by the way, shelling continues.

We'll have to move the front line, we'll have to catch dashing lads from the DRG who want to make a fuss in the rear of the troops and on Russian territory, we'll have to categorically strengthen border security.

Now, probably, many will expect a conversation about mobilization. No, we won't talk about it. No more people needed. We need more missiles, more missiles and more missiles. It is possible and necessary to scoop out all the arsenals and use even the most ancient cruise missiles capable of operating in Ukrainian conditions. First of all, knock out the guidance radar and air defense systems. It is difficult, we need a decent satellite constellation, which we do not have.

On one Ukrainian projectile one hundred of ours should fly out. For one of their "Point" - twenty of our X-101 and ten "Caliber". Expensive but necessary.

How much we hollowed about the bridges across the Dnieper? What behind-the-scenes agreements prevent them from being destroyed and depriving the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the supply of everything? Yes, to hit substations, to deprive Ukrzaliznitsa of the opportunity to transport equipment and ammunition to the front.

And let's finish this snotty rhetoric about the need to save infrastructure in the interests of the people. After applying the "Solntsepekov" it looks so-so. It is necessary to destroy the enemy transport infrastructure everywhere and without the slightest doubt.

Then people in huge quantities will not be required. For mobilization in the performance of our military registration and enlistment offices will mean a surge in corruption and chaos.

Hydra multi-headed

People are a separate and complex issue. I compared the APU with the dragon. Three-headed. Actually, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, terbats and NATO. The third head behind the first two is hidden but present. Manages, as you can see, and not bad.

We are worse in this regard. Hydra is multi-headed. The Russian armed forces, the National Guard, parts of the LPR, parts of the DPR, moreover, there are official, and there are separate volunteer formations such as the Vostok battalion of Alexander Khodakovsky, there are Chechen volunteer formations and official forces of the Chechen Republic. There are Russian volunteers - "musicians".

It is clear that, in theory, representatives of the RF Armed Forces should steer, but how they sometimes do it - I understand those who are trying to gain maximum independence in decisions. I especially think so in the direction of the Donbass, which are head and shoulders above in tactics.

Of course, I want to win. And to win not on paper, in the joyful reports of the Ministry of Defense, in which (judging by the comments on the Internet) no one can believe for a penny, but in reality. Coming to Ukrainian cities, where we will be welcome, and not to leave. Do not abandon those who believe in Russia. Not to see pictures from the abandoned cities, where no less joyful residents pluck and carry Russian flags to the trash heaps and hoist Ukrainian flags back.

We had victories. But comparing the team of the underdogs of the Arab world in Syria and the toy army of Georgia and the Ukrainian one is stupid. It is foolish to underestimate the enemy.

"Know the enemy and know yourself: then in a thousand battles you will not be defeated". (Sun Tzu).

“Never despise your enemy, whatever he may be, and know him well weapon, his image to act and fight. Know what is his strength and what is the weakness of the enemy.. (Alexander Suvorov).

And here we have a lot of not only old Soviet weapons, there are Ukrainian modifications, and NATO sent new products. Plus, instead of the Ukrainian headquarters, NATO specialists are working, who surpass us in the level of awareness.

Intelligence is generally the weak point of the Russian army, as it turned out. It’s okay not to detect the movement of artillery and MLRS, to “look through” helicopters ... But not to see two reserve corps instead of one, and several thousand more mercenaries to them - this is very ugly. Apparently, there are problems with the agent network.

Today, the “comforter experts” are already starting to talk about the fact that Balakleya was “inconvenient” for defense, that the city is not so needed if you are not going to attack Kharkov, there will be many such speeches. They will tell you that everything that is happening is another cunning plan to draw the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the fortified areas for subsequent destruction ... There will be more fairy tales.

The main story is this: it became clear back in April that there would be no easy victory. What will not be fast - in September. The question is about minimizing our losses, both among the military and among the civilian population. Secondly, it is especially important that civilians in the Kursk and Belgorod regions did not sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense and do not receive money for being at war.

So many destinies have already been crippled that the hair stands on end. And you should not increase this account further, to infinity.

What can be said in terms of the outcome?

In order to prevent it from being completely shameful to go on the defensive on the Ukrainian-Russian border and catch everything that flies through it, it is necessary to change the very approach to conducting the NWO. Without regard to the opinion of Europe, which supplies Ukraine with weapons and trains fighters.

Yes, we should not forget that the Spaniards, Germans, British train the Ukrainian military at their bases. And they are armed. And they give a few not what they declare. The Excaliburs were a very unpleasant surprise.

Therefore:
- bridges across the Dnieper must be destroyed;
- traction substations at junction railway stations, thermal power plants in cities should be destroyed;
- decision-making centers must be destroyed.

In addition, the maximum destruction of rolling stock (diesel locomotives) by all available means. There will be no railway - there will be no transportation of everything. Today in Ukraine there are no problems with fuel and delivery of military equipment. There must be global problems.

Pay special attention to counteracting foreign technical intelligence. In every possible way. It is very difficult to arrange a regrouping of troops if your every step is known to the enemy.

The Department of Defense should HEAR not their managers entertaining generals at exhibitions with Chinese DIY kits, but those who are fighting. Who lacks elementary things for war, like artillerymen - tablets for calculations, as spotters - drones, and so on.

The slogan "Everything for the front - everything for victory" is obligatory, first of all, for the Ministry of Defense and its managers, and not for other citizens of Russia.

If you believe the press service of the Ministry of Defense (honestly, I don’t believe it at all), the enemy is suffering huge losses. Reporting from the field speaks of stubborn battles and seems to confirm this, but one should clearly calculate the mobilization capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In fact, I communicate with my Ukrainian sources, there is no hysteria. They do not go home and are not sent to the front in handcuffs. Understanding the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the configuration of combat-ready formations is very important.

Today, hospitals in many cities of Ukraine are overcrowded with the wounded. Did this affect the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to attack? No. One must understand that NATO commanders absolutely do not care about the human resources of Ukraine. We understand this, sooner or later they will understand it there too. But it is very important for us to know the critical loss threshold for the APU.

It is also very important to understand that the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are very pleased with the unhurried course of the NMD taken by our commanders. They have time to see everything, analyze and develop response moves. Given that there are no problems with equipment, NATO does not care about losses in manpower, the RF Armed Forces have obvious problems in losing momentum.

What the Armed Forces of Ukraine will get by advancing at such a pace and with such losses is not entirely clear to me personally. Blood-drenched territories that could easily be lost tomorrow - it is not entirely clear how this can be translated into success in the political arena. No, it is clear that "we are winning, give us money" is an option. Hannibal in such a situation, the Council of Carthage showed a fig.

Our political losses are simply enormous. They came, stood and fled - this is not something that wins the brains and souls of Ukrainians. The leadership of the army does not understand this, but this is generally a separate conversation. It turns out that we did not just deceive us with our departure. Yes, retreating in 1941, our ancestors promised to return and they were believed. Like today, it's hard for me to say.

I would like to return to these lands, I would like to return these people to Russia. But there are many difficulties in terms of faith and trust. How much will the Russians be trusted in this regard and believe in Russia. You can come back to empty lands. You can come to the lands where our people will live. And there may be an option when we really become occupiers in the eyes of the people who remain on their land, who will simply take revenge. In Ukraine, this is quite a normal option.

But in any case, the situation will have to be broken and changed. Not for the sake of Ukrainians, who trust Russia. For the sake of their own, to whom war may come tomorrow.

And with the hydra, too, you need to do something. Yes, something will grow in the place of one severed head. But it would be better if it grew smaller, and not "something", but what is needed.
 
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That will be up to Russia

Ukraine must give up its territories to Russia, Hungary, Romania and Poland, - ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs of Romania Andrei Marga

“I will tell you frankly, with all responsibility. Ukraine is in unnatural borders. She must cede territory. Hungary - Transcarpathia, Poland - Galicia, Romania - Bukovina, and Russia - Donbass and Crimea. These are territories of other countries. Otherwise there will be conflict.
 
Why can't they just destroy all detected AFU military equipment (and all artillery as main targets) BEFORE they once again begin their fire? To stop this and minimize the shelling of the nuclear plant and Russia's own military positions and supply and ammo depots. Especially considering that there is a large percentage of the local population in the "liberated" territories who are still on Zelensky's side and give to AFU and security services all movings and positions of Russian troops and civilian activists.
With the Ukrainian military equipment among civilians, are you saying the Russian military should attack anyway and likely kill many civilians around the Ukrainian military equipment?
 
To late


A new European security pact with Russia that checkmates US Imperial ambitions might change things though.
Putin has said on more than one occasion that he is open to cooperating with everyone, if Germany or other countries decide in the future to drop all sanctions after the end of the conflict, Russia would resume its economic relations as a sign of its sincere goodwill for the world. more than for purely economic interests (although with insurance precautions and only if the Europeans manage to see the strings that control them).
 
'NATO is planning to start a war with Russia several years.'

NATO admits it’s been preparing for current situation for years

17 Sep, 2022
Admiral Rob Bauer said that the alliance’s forces will be more integrated and capable of faster deployment

NATO Military Committee Chair Admiral Rob Bauer declared on Saturday that the alliance’s efforts to overhaul its command structure have been underway for “several years,” before Russia launched its military operation in Ukraine.

Speaking at the NATO Military Committee’s annual conference in the Estonian capital of Tallinn, Bauer said that the alliance’s defense chiefs discussed “the biggest overhaul of our military structures since 1949,” the year of NATO’s founding.

“The planning for that started several years ago, but now we’re implementing it,” he stated.

According to NATO, the three-day conference is focused on implementing the decisions made at the bloc’s June summit in Madrid. Back then, the members agreed to adopt a new Strategic Concept. This policy document sets out the alliance’s stance toward partners, non-members, and adversaries, with the 2022 iteration naming Russia as the “most significant and direct threat” to the bloc.

The document also promised a strengthening of NATO’s “deterrence and defense posture,” more integration of individual nations’ militaries with the alliance’s command structure, and the ability to more quickly deploy “combat-ready forces,” particularly in Eastern Europe.

While Bauer spoke of a structural shakeup in the US-led alliance, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg explicitly stated in Madrid that the military bloc has also been preparing for some kind of war with Russia. “The reality is also that we have been preparing for this since 2014,” he stated, referring to the year the Donbass republics declared their independence from Ukraine and Crimea voted to join the Russian Federation.

“That is the reason that we have increased our presence in the eastern part of the alliance, why NATO allies have started to invest more in defense, and why we have increased [our] readiness,” he said at the time.

Russia has cited NATO’s refusal to rule out membership for Ukraine, as well as the presence of the bloc’s troops and weapons there, as key factors justifying its military operation. Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters on Friday that Moscow views NATO as using Ukraine to bring about the “disintegration of our country.”
 
@Aeneas and @bjorn,
with all due respect and understanding, but... You can continue to convince yourself of this, while everything that I am about to list below and that has been going on continuously since 2014 (only now it is not limited to Donetsk and Lugansk or even just the territory of Ukraine) is happening.

I am not calling for Russia to bomb Kiev like US in Vietnam or Iraqi. I do not understand why they do not act or react in any way to all these bloody terrorist attacks and bloody challenges. In fact, the West slaps the Kremlin and Defense Ministry leadership through Zelensky, through the AFU, and there is no response, except the pathetic cartoon threats of Medvedev or Maria Zakharova, with the endless repetition of "we will not tolerate this" (well, well) and all that. It's just constant blah blah blah. Hitting Krivoy Rog or Kharkov is not the answer. These are not decision-making centers. It's like someone destroying your house and you responding by breaking your opponent's paper coffee cup. It's funny and sad at the same time. Putin himself said that if a fight is inevitable, you should hit first. When a hooligan attacks you on the street in order to take your money and things, you will not stop him with a plea of "please don't do that" and after he has robbed and beaten you, you will follow him saying "you will regret it, I will beat you up next time!" But every night he meets you and beats you, and every time you promise that it will not happen again and you will punish him.

And you don't see, you don't know the mood of people both here in Ukraine and in Russia. You find yourself far away from all these events and society to understand more deeply what is going on. By no means do I intend these words to offend you in any way. I personally see what is going on among the people, how the population of both countries reacts to all events. My Russian friends share with me their thoughts, fears and hopes; they too have many acquaintances and relatives, there are those who are involved in this war, and there is an understanding of the enormous losses among the Russian military. Many Russians, too, are unhappy with the way Russia is conducting its military operation. Most often it is condemnation for the inexcusable actions that Ukraine commits, and there is no harsh response from Russia. Some people are afraid that thanks to such "successes", Russia will soon, as a new "goodwill gesture," simply cancel its military operation and give Ukraine Donbass and Crimea, and then some of its own regions as well. So that "respected Western partners" will not get angry and take away Peskov's mansion in Italy or expel the elite children of top officials from prestigious universities in the United States and Great Britain. Such patriots in the Russian elite. And they still accuse their citizens of "not being patriotic enough" and condemning the mistakes of the Russian command.

And fighting the population until "Zelensky runs out of population to wage war" is not like the Cassiopians said that Russia is doing everyone a favor by eliminating the psychopaths. These psychopaths are in Kiev completely untouched.

At the very least, it was fashionable to hit the military enlistment offices to destroy personal files on all men and create problems for Ukraine to catch and send men to slaughter. Because first of all these are addresses of residence, which would have been lost, the registry.

Anyway, what I wanted to say: I know that the Ukrainian government is completely controlled from London and Washington, everyone understands that. But MUST BE Russia's ADEQUATE response to all these crazy terrorist attacks of Ukraine. This does not mean that Kiev or Lvov must be wiped off the face of the earth. It means to scare the Ukrainian elite so much that they have no desire to do so. While Ukraine brazenly and openly eliminates all pro-Russian officials and civic activists in the lost territories, Medvedev tweets for the thousandth time that he is promising to bring the whole world into apocalypse. It's just ridiculous and it only evokes anger. This is some kind of political impotence. While you have started a war against them!

And after all these cynical and horrible murders of people who cooperate with Russia in the territories it occupies, how many people do you think will want to do business with them now? If Russia can't even protect them, their politicians, those who are helping people in these territories, those who are trying to establish a new life. They simply can't even provide them with bodyguards, surveillance of their movements, homes, places of work, and banal checks of cars for explosive devices. Of course, it's not Daria Dugina or Medvedev's motorcade - why bother with these little people. If they kill those people, we'll put the other ones in charge. So it goes.
And in general, most of the current leadership of these regions and even more so of the security agencies are recruited from the former Ukrainian employees of the administrations and even more so from the Ukrainian special services! This is just some unthinkable nonsense. And we wonder about all these terrorist attacks and leaks to the Ukrainian side.

And even if Zelensky or anyone else in the leadership were destroyed, it would at least create chaos in Kiev for a while and distract them from carrying out their own terrorist attacks and political assassinations. The entire Ukrainian government is 100% scorpions in a jar. They fight among themselves for influence and the possibility of personal enrichment from the country's budget and Western funding.


All of today's terrorist attacks were carried out by Ukraine within just a couple of hours, with a time difference of about 30 minutes between some of them!

Video recordings of the incidents at the links:

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The Ukrainian Armed Forces struck the Kherson regional administration building, with at least five missiles reportedly coming from HIMARS.
There is a public garden, a fountain, and a playground near the administration, where local residents relax.
Again, we are surprised by the lack of similar strikes on government agencies in Ukrainian cities. Such actions would clearly reduce the fervor of Ukrainian officials.

UPD: 3 people were killed and 13 were wounded in varying degrees of severity as a result of the shelling of the center of Kherson.


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An explosion at the prosecutor's office in the center of Luhansk, in the very office of the chief prosecutor (!) He and his deputy (a woman) were killed.

/ From myself: i.e., someone of his own, from the prosecutor's office, brought explosives through the metal detectors at the entrance to the building and through the guards, set the explosives in the office and left. The explosion took place when the prosecutor-general was there. What does that tell you?
Regarding Kherson, it is exactly the same: the American shells were struck exactly at the time when the Russian-appointed head of the civil-military administration (essentially a military governor, the head of the entire region) was holding a meeting in his office, along with other local politicians. Ukraine knew exactly the time and place.
Think about their level of intelligence, above all with traitors from the locals. These are the so-called "liberated" regions. Freed from whom? If a very large percentage of the population continues to be on the side of Ukraine and helps the Zelensky regime in every way to fight the "occupiers" (for them Russians are the occupiers). It's the same in Energodar, the local Ukrainian publicity pages that I follow regularly report on the elimination of the "orcs" in Energodar, their artillery, equipment, warehouses with ammunition, etc. (Of course, the Ukrainians exaggerate the huge numbers of Russian losses for the purposes of their propaganda and to maintain a victorious mood among the population against the background of their own losses and problems in the country, but nevertheless, there is no smoke without fire). On the Russian side, all losses are also very strictly classified and no such cases are reported at all. /


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In Berdyansk (Russian-controlled Zaporizhia region), Oleg Boiko, deputy head of the Military Civil Administration for housing and utilities, and his wife Lyudmila Boiko, who headed the city's territorial election commission, which had also been involved in preparations for the referendum, were killed. They were reportedly shot near the garage where their car was parked.

/ From myself: how can you justify and tolerate all this all the time and not respond to it? How do you explain to the dead, the injured and their relatives that "NATO is running out of shells and tanks" and that "Zelensky should not be replaced or touched"? I also read a lot of comments from residents of Donetsk and other cities saying that I'd rather Russia not start its defense than all these horrors these people are experiencing. Every damn day. They ask, why hasn't the front from Donetsk been pushed back so far? Ukrainian artillery is right in front of Donetsk. When it has been almost 7 months since the "operation to protect the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine" began.
Meanwhile, Russian propaganda and war correspondents (after receiving instructions and threats from the Ministry of Defense about "proper patriotism and coverage of events") continue to report that "everything is OK, no need to talk about bad things, otherwise you are all then Ukrainian propaganda, agents of the psychological operations center, Ukrainian bots" (exactly as Ukrainians say about everyone who does not share their opinion and the "official position of the government" that they are Putin's bots and Russian propaganda agents). The same methods.


Also today from 12 noon the AFU antillery started shelling at Energodar again. I was in the yard at that time and heard it clearly. It went on for about 1.5 hours. And at that time Russian telegram channels confirmed the hits on Energodar.
By the way, last night and tonight the Russian army retaliated with Iranian kamikaze drones on Nikopol and the outskirts of my city. Local authorities reported 5 drone remnants in Nikopol and 3 in my city. /

@Ocean

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding but I don't understand why you find this message funny. I wasn't going to say anything about it but it keeps bothering me. This is not how you respond to someone who is in the middle of it and telling his personal experiences and opinion about what it is like at the front and the war general.

Even if you disagree, it's not the way to respond.

But like said, perhaps there is a misunderstanding.
 
That he is not a leader in his own right. In the past he was put in the position of presidential power and may be put in this position again, but the success of his ruling and influence on Russia will be dependant on the quality of people who will be de facto running the country in the background. It's nothing unusual, but still very unfortunate, after having a real leader in power for so long.
Yeah, Putin will be a hard act to follow.
 
Multipolarity unites, the World after Washington is near (Recent photo, SCO meeting)

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Putin: ''Attempts to create a unipolar world have acquired an absolutely ugly configuration in recent times and they are absolutely unacceptable for the overwhelming majority of states on this planet''.

Xi: "In the face of the termendous changes of our time on a global scale, we stand ready with our Russian colleagues to set an example of a responsible global power and play a leadership role to put such a rapidly changing world on a path of sustainable and positive development."
 
There is a saying in Polish that doesn't seem to have a corresponding one in English: "If everyone then everyone, the grandma included" meaning that (when applied in the context at hand) if we go after everyone then there should be no exceptions. Following the rule, Poland should demand reparations from Ukraine too. Volhynia massacres, owning now formerly Polish lands, etc...

I think just considering this logical next step would make the gov's heads spinning faster than a dentist drill and could put an end to that idiocracy.

Moscow should support Polish demand of reparations from Germany (and Ukraine) instead. The resulting cognitive dissonance combined with zugzwang-like situation would have the same effect as mentioned above.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but how else one can comment on such madmen's 'bright' ideas.
I was trying to search for the objective of the seemingly irrational Polish government's actions. What made sense is the interpretation of the current events by the people around the National Information Institute. They are considered far-right pseudo-science and conspiracy theorists, and that might mean something when we consider methods of information censoring.

The main theme is the economical superiority of China and the falling Anglosaxon empire. They predict that China alone will have two times the "steering power" of the USA by 2030. "Steering power" is in short the availability of power to impact the control systems of societies. Now, China has an economic belt initiative that is basically connecting logistically (almost) Beijing with Rotterdam (which has one of the biggest ports in Europe). Just recently, in Poland, the Chinese bought a lot of massive logistical centers along A2 and A4 highways. What is logical for the USA is to interrupt this plan, to hinder the development of China.

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From what I remember, before sanctions, German - Russian relations were good (at least economically). For example, I was working in Berlin for a company that has written SCADA software for GAZPROM gas pipeline control stations. Siemens is also a big player in regard to parts for Chinese factories and production lines. This was severely hit by sanctions, as we know, initiated by Anglo-Saxons, cleverly using public opinion to mix in Germany. So what is the role of Poland here? Poland is merely a wedge controlled by Anglo-Saxons that enables them to control the flow of goods between Europe and Asia. Poland, and also what will remain from Ukraine. What people from the National Information Institue are afraid of, is that very probable Polish exit from the EU will result in the loss of Silesia, Pomerania, and Greater Poland, which are considered by Germany as theirs (Volkswagen factory is located in Greater Poland, along with multiple German factories in Silesia). The rest of Poland will merge with Ukraine's Galicia to form a common state (wasn't Russia informing about exactly that plan months ago?). There are voices from the officials in Poland, that we should give Ukrainians living here the right to vote (local governments from start). The Polish mObywatel, which is used to verify citizens' identity, is also connected with Ukrainian Дія. They are also planning to extend the Central Communication Point railway to Lviv and Kyiv, etc.

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This could be an explanation for why is Poland actively trying to worsen relations with everyone BUT Anglo-Saxons... It makes sense also for Russia to prolong the conflict and collapse Poland, giving the opportunity to control the land to Germany or maybe (but it's a BIG MAYBE) a real government elected by the people that care about the country. That's what is making the most sense to me, but I could be totally wrong.

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This could be worth watching for Polish forum members here:
 
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