Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

... just some ruminations for others to feedback on.
Pretty much my thinking as well. The US-led Empire is using the war as a catalyst to fold up in it's own solipsistic bubble and establish full spectrum dominance within whatever territory remains when Russia is done. Due to the globalist nature of the One World Government, Russia and pals may be drawn in to a certain extent as well, but will retain a relative degree of freedom compare to Oceania.

Also an acquaintance of mine works for the federal government, and supposedly peeps from Washington were warning them about a Russian cyber attack and there was some type of drill going on.
 
Most likely that's the case. I think that I read also a statement from the Russian military that it was an anti-air defense missile from the Ukrainians. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the link anymore. And for the West, and it's propaganda media it is fodder to further push Russia into the corner of an evil empire.
Here they refer to the same thing, it would be a Ukrainian weapon.


Words that a certain group of Russian forces would have said, that would be in line with what Putin said:
“We’re not Americans, we don’t bring you ‘democracy’. If you have it, it’ll stay that way. Ukraine remains Ukrainian. In the near future, we will remove the power of the regime that sells you to foreigners.
Don't waste your lives for this rot, save them for your country & your loved ones. Your regime is Calling Russia an enemy & inviting NATO here, they left us no choice. We are not enemies. A little more and you will be convinced of this. Don't engage and we won't engage you.”


By the way, the misinformation that abounds and old videos is impressive, videos of captured Russian soldiers who were later revealed to be Ukrainians, alleged shooting down of two planes with a capacity of more than 100 paratroopers, it is said that the Ukrainians have already killed 3,500 Russians ... come on, not even in the bloodiest battles in weeks can those numbers be reached.
 
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Most likely that's the case. I think that I read also a statement from the Russian military that it was an anti-air defense missile from the Ukrainians. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the link anymore. And for the West, and it's propaganda media it is fodder to further push Russia into the corner of an evil empire.
Interestingly, the inhabitants of Ukraine record and upload a lot of videos of events, all kinds of situations in which (if these videos did not exist) they would blame the Russian Federation.
I am currently following two channels on telegram:
Сolonelcassad - a lot of videos and information from both sides
🇷🇺 Майор и Генерал 🌍 🌍 - from the RF side

As well as an analysis of the situation online from a Ukrainian who is under investigation and sanctions by Zelensky - a very objective analysis of all incoming information and analysis of fakes -

I'm not very familiar with the forum rules, I hope links are allowed.
 
Second virus upon us?



 
Second virus upon us?




Certainly the ultimate cover story for the next 'lab leak' and no need for tiresome, protracted arguments in the likes of Lancet!
 
Don't know how reliable this is, but if it is, it's bad news for Poland:
Three perspectives on Poland
I have not checked up on the above claim or read all the new posts in this thread. Below, I have attempted to collect information related to Poland and surrounding areas, as it may help to understand Poland better, no matter how the situation develops over the next few months. There are three perspectives, the Wiki about the recent history of the US-Polish relationship, followed by a few biographical details of key people, and last are excerpts from a book by George Friedman from 2011 on US political strategy concerns for 2011-2021

The Wiki for Poland-United States relations states:
The United States and Poland have enjoyed warm bilateral relations since 1989. Every post-1989 Polish government has been a strong supporter of continued American military and economic presence in Europe, and Poland is one of the most stable allies of the United States.
[...]
Since 1999, Poland has sought closer military ties with the United States.[21] In June 2019, both sides agreed to send 1,000 US troops to Poland.[22] In September 2019, six locations were determined to host approximately 4,500 from the US military in Poland, including: Poznań, Drawsko Pomorskie, Strachowice, Łask, Powidz and Lubliniec.[23]

US President Donald Trump in Warsaw, Poland during a speech. Monument of the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.
On 24 June 2020, Trump said at a press conference with Duda that the United States plans to move some US troops from Germany to Poland.[24][25] Trump said, "Poland is one of the few countries that are fulfilling their obligations under NATO — in particular, their monetary obligations — and they asked us if we would send some additional troops.... I think [putting more US troops in Poland] sends a very strong signal to Russia."[26]

A handful of people with various strategic connections
Victoria Nuland - "Fuck the Eu"
Victoria Nuland was born in 1961 to Sherwin B. Nuland, a surgeon of Ukrainian Jewish origin,[8] and Rhona McKhann.[9] She graduated from Choate Rosemary Hall in 1979.[10] She earned a Bachelor of Arts degree from Brown University in 1983, where she studied Russian literature, political science, and history.[11]
Some headlines from Sott.net, that a quick Nuland search revealed
Why Victoria Nuland is dangerous and should not be confirmed as Biden's Under Secretary
More Nuland idiocy: U.S. could lift sanctions against Russia if Kiev stops violating ceasefire
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland says Washington has spent $5 billion trying to subvert Ukraine
Victoria Nuland is married to Robert Kagan:
Robert Kagan was born in Athens, Greece. His father, historian Donald Kagan, a Sterling Professor of Classics and History Emeritus at Yale University and a specialist in the history of the Peloponnesian War, was of Lithuanian Jewish descent.[8]
Nuland had links to Ukraine, Kagan to Lithuania, what does that mean?
History refresher - how does Lithuania connect with Poland and Ukraine?
Lithuania had an alliance with Poland, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with this history:
The Commonwealth was established by the Union of Lublin in July 1569, but the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania had been in a de facto personal union since 1386 with the marriage of the Polish queen Jadwiga (Hedwig) and Lithuania's Grand Duke Jogaila, who was crowned King jure uxoris Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland. The First Partition in 1772 and the Second Partition in 1793 greatly reduced the state's size and the Commonwealth was partitioned out of existence with the Third Partition in 1795.
It included these areas at different times.
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Another player on the sideline has been Anne Applebaum. She wrote much translated Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine which has been influential in shaping the understanding of Russia and Ukraine. From the Wiki there was this criticism, which reflects the ongoing "debate":
Stephen G. Wheatcroft writing for Contemporary European History, states that, right from the beginning, Applebaum indicates that she thinks that the famine was a result of someone's mentality and her objective is to find out who to blame for it. Wheatcroft believes that her view conforms to "an increasingly popular trend in Soviet history to ignore or oversimplify complex economic explanations and to reduce everything to moral judgments". He additionally criticized Applebaum for her treatment of grain availability in Ukraine, which, according to Wheatcroft "epitomizes the dangers of misunderstanding the [archival] data" and for other "factual[ly] incorrect" information.[12]
From the Wiki about her, there are these details:
Applebaum was born in Washington, D.C. Her parents are Harvey M. Applebaum, a partner in the Covington and Burling law firm, and Elizabeth Applebaum, of the Corcoran Gallery of Art.[1] Applebaum has stated that she was brought up in a "very reformed" Jewish family.[10] Her ancestors came to America from what is now Belarus.[11]
Anne Applebaum is married to Radosław Sikorski:
Radosław Tomasz "Radek" Sikorski ([raˈdɔswaf ɕiˈkɔrskʲi] (audio speaker iconlisten); born 23 February 1963) is a Polish politician and journalist who is a Member of European Parliament. He was Marshal of the Sejm from 2014 to 2015 and Minister of Foreign Affairs in Donald Tusk's cabinet between 2007 and 2014. He previously served as Deputy Minister of National Defense (1992) in Jan Olszewski's cabinet, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs (1998–2001) in Jerzy Buzek's cabinet and Minister of National Defense (2005–2007) in Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz and Jarosław Kaczyński's cabinets.
Which does not mean that Sikorski is not informed, even if he plays along:
Despite their apparently close relationship, Wprost (a Polish magazine) obtained a recording of Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski calling the Polish-American alliance "downright harmful" and causing a "false sense of security."[27] while in a poll made in 2016, around 20% of questioned considered Americans a potential threat to Polish national security. Despite that, also in this poll, more than 50% of questioned considered Americans and Canadians as trustworthy.[28]
Jen Psaki, current White House Press Secretary also has beside Irish and Greek also Polish ancestry, though it is unclear how.

Mark Brzezinski, current US ambassador to Poland.
Brzezinski is the son of Emilie Benes Brzezinski and Polish-born former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and the grandson of Polish diplomat Tadeusz Brzeziński. His mother is the grandniece of former Czechoslovak president Edvard Beneš. His sister is Mika Brzezinski, co-host of the morning talk show Morning Joe, and his brother is military expert Ian Brzezinski.
Chrystia Freeland, the deputy prime minister and Minister of Finance under Trudeau, was a very talented disruptor during her student time in the late Soviet Union. From the Wiki:
By the time her activism within Ukraine came to an end, Freeland had become the subject of a high level case study from the KGB on how much damage a single determined individual could inflict on the Soviet Union. In a 2021 interview with the Globe and Mail, one former member of the intelligence service called Freeland as "a remarkable individual", and described her as “erudite, sociable, persistent, and inventive in achieving her goals”.[24]
This Sott article explains her links to Ukraine, which was through her mother Halyna Chomiak: Victim or aggressor: Chrystia Freeland's family record for Nazi war profiteering and murder of the Cracow Jews

Next comes the excerpt from the book by George Friedman. It is long, and perhaps even repetitive, but this only serves to underline the importance of Poland to US strategy. I have highlighted Poland

George Friedman: The Next Decade: Where We've Been . . . and Where We're Going, 2011
George Friedman is founder of STRATFOR. His book has a chapter "The Return of Russia." (RU), in which the importance of Poland is discussed in detail. Basically, Poland it is a key element, if not the key element, in the US strategy in continental Europe, as Friedman lays it out. When reading the excertp, one has to be aware that what he writes may have a secondary intention, so the truth value will have to be assessed, but considering the last 10 years it is not far off. Perhaps, Polish readers can help to explain to me why Friedman is wrong in his assessment of Poland, if that is the case.

Essentially, the US wishes to stir and stoke the historically grounded Polish fears of Germany and Russia to allow them to come in and protect them. While the Poles will aim for their own security, this is in fact secondary to the intention of the US to contain Russia and prevent a North Eurasian integration. A similar situation is of course true for Ukraine, but that is not the main topic now.

From the introduction, page 12:
[...] the United States’ return to balance will require a significant effort over the next decade to block an accommodation between Germany and Russia. As we will see, the U.S. approach will include cultivating a new relationship with Poland, the geographic monkey wrench that can be thrown into the gears of a German-Russian entente.
From the section "The American Strategy" in chapter 8: "The return of Russia"
p132:
Germany is the European center of gravity, and if it shifts its position, other European countries will have to shift accordingly, with perhaps enough countries moving to tilt the balance of the entire region. As Russia reconstitutes and solidifies its hold on the countries of the former Soviet Union, it will be able to take most of those countries along. However informal the relationship might be at the beginning, it will solidify into something more substantial over time, because the parts simply fit together too neatly for it to be otherwise. This would be a historic redefinition of U.S.-European relations, a fundamental shift not only in the regional but also in the global balance of power, with outcomes that are highly unpredictable.

While I see a confederation between Belarus and Russia as likely, such a move would bring the Russian army to the frontiers of Europe. Indeed, Russia already has a military alliance with Belarus. Add to that Ukraine, and Russian forces would be on the borders of Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, and the Baltic countries—all former Russian satellites—thus re-creating the Russian empire, albeit in different institutional form.

p.133
Yet the countries behind the front tier are more concerned about the United States than they are about Russia. They see the Americans more as economic competitors than as partners, and as a force pulling them into conflicts that they want no part of. The Russians, on the other hand, seem to be economically synergistic with the advanced European countries. The European nations also see the former Russian satellites as a physical buffer against Moscow, further guaranteeing that they can work with Russia and still be secure in their own region. They understand the concern the eastern Europeans have but believe that the economic benefits of the relationships, as well as the eastern Europeans’ dependence on the economy of the rest of Europe, will keep the Russians in line.

The Europeans could diminish their relationship with the Americans, build a new, mutually beneficial relationship with the Russians, and still have the benefit of a strategic buffer as an insurance policy. This would pose a profound risk to the United States. Therefore the American president must act to contain Russia, allowing that nation’s long-term, inherent weaknesses to take their toll. He can’t wait until the U.S.-jihadist war ends. He must act immediately.

If Germany and Russia continue to move toward alignment, then the countries between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea—what used to be called the Intermarium countries—become indispensable to the United States and its policy. Of these countries, Poland is the largest and the most strategically placed. It is also the one with both the most to lose and a keen awareness of that potential for loss. Membership in the European Union is one thing to the Poles, but being caught in a Russo-German entente is another. They and the other eastern Europeans are terrified of being drawn back into the spheres of influence of one or both of their historic enemies.

Most of these countries were not independent until World War I brought the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian, Russian, Ottoman, and German empires. In general, they were divided, subjugated, and exploited. In cases such as Hungary, the oppression was mild. In other cases, it was brutal. But all these nations remember occupation by the Nazis and later by the Soviets, and those occupations were monstrous. It is true that the German and Russian regimes today are different, but for the eastern Europeans, occupation wasn’t so long ago, and the memory of what it meant to be caught in the German-Russian force field has shaped their national character. It will continue to shape their behavior in the decade to come.

p. 134
This is particularly true for Poland, which at various times has been absorbed into Germany, Russia, and Austria. The historical compromise, when there were compromises to be made, was the partition of Poland, which remains Poland’s nightmare going forward. When the country became independent after World War I, it had to fight a war to prevent Soviet encroachment. Twenty years later, the Germans and Soviets invaded simultaneously, based on a secret pact to do just that. The following half century of Cold War communism was an unmitigated nightmare.

The Poles have suffered in direct relation to the strategic importance of their location, bordering both Germany and Russia and occupying the North European Plain, which extends like a thoroughfare from the French Atlantic coast to St. Petersburg. The other eastern European countries share the Polish view, but they are geographically safer, behind the Carpathian Mountains.

Exposed on either side, Poland will have little choice but to go along with whatever the Germans and Russians decide, which would be disastrous for the United States. It is therefore in the American interest to guarantee Poland’s independence from Russia and Germany, not only formally but by creating a viable and vibrant Polish economy and military that can serve as the model and driver for the rest of eastern Europe. Poland is the historical bone in the throat of both Germany and Russia, and it is in the American interest to make sure that it is firmly lodged there. A Poland aligned with Germany is a threat to Russia, and the reverse is true as well. Poland must remain a threat to both, because the United States cannot let either feel too secure.

Over the next ten years, an American relationship with Poland would serve two functions: it might prevent or limit the Russo-German entente, but failing that, it could create a counterbalance. The United States urgently needs Poland, because there is no alternative strategy for balancing an alliance between Russia and Germany. From the Polish point of view, friendship with the Americans would serve to protect it from its neighbors, but here there is a special problem. The Polish national mentality was seared by the failure of Britain and France to come to Poland’s defense against Germany at the beginning of World War II, despite guarantees. Poland’s hypersensitivity to betrayal will cause it to prefer accommodation with hostile powers to alignment with an unreliable partner. For this reason, the president must avoid appearing tentative or hesitant in his approach. This means making a strategic decision that is in some ways unhedged—always an uncomfortable stand, because good presidents always look to keep their options open. But insisting on too much maneuvering room might close the Polish option immediately.
p. 135
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When the George W. Bush administration set out to create a ballistic missile defense system for eastern Europe, the United States hedged. It decided to build a system that would defend against small numbers of missiles fired by rogue countries, particularly Iran. It planned to place a radar system in the Czech Republic and made plans to install the missiles in Poland. This was in addition to sending the Poles sophisticated weapons such as the F-16 fighter and Patriot Missiles. The system could have been located anywhere; it was located in Poland in order to make it clear that Poland was essential to American strategic interests and to intensify U.S.-Polish cooperation outside the context of NATO.

p. 136
The Russians understood this and tried to do everything they could to block it. The Russians opposed placing the missiles in Poland, even though the system could defend against only a few missiles and the Russians had overwhelming numbers. In reality, the issue for the Russians was never missile defense—it was the fact that the United States was placing strategic systems on Polish soil. A strategic system has to be defended, and the Russians understood that the BMD system was just the beginning of a significant American commitment to Poland. When the Obama administration came in, its leaders wanted to “reset” their relations with the Russians. The Russians made it clear that while they did not want to go back to Cold War hostilities, things could go forward only if the BMD system was withdrawn from Poland. By that time, the Poles regarded the system as a symbol of America’s commitment to them. This, despite the fact that the BMD system did not actually protect Poland from anything and might even make it a target. Nevertheless, the Poles, sensitive to betrayal, urgently wanted the relationship with Washington.

When Obama decided to shift the BMD system from Poland to ships offshore, the Poles panicked, believing that the United States was about to make a deal with the Russians. The United States had not shifted its position on Poland at all, but the Poles were convinced that it had.

If Poland believes that it is a bargaining chip, it will become unreliable, and thus in the course of the next decade the United States might get away with betraying Poland only once. Such a move could be contemplated only if it provided some overwhelming advantage, and it is difficult to see what that advantage could be, given that maintaining a powerful wedge between Germany and Russia is of overwhelming interest to the United States.

p. 137
The condition of the Baltic countries is a different matter. They represent a superb offensive capability for the United States, pointing, as they do, like a bayonet at St. Petersburg, the second largest city of Russia, and with the eastern border of Lithuania only about one hundred miles from Minsk, the capital of Belarus.

Nonetheless, the United States hasn’t the force or the interest to invade Russia. And given that the American position is strategically aggressive and tactically defensive, the Baltics become a liability. About three hundred miles long and nowhere more than two hundred miles wide, they are almost impossible to defend. They do, however, serve to block the Russian navy in St. Petersburg. So the Baltics remain an asset, but one that might be too expensive to maintain. The American president must therefore appear to be utterly committed to the Baltics to deter the Russians, while extracting maximum concessions from the Russians for an American agreement to withdraw from the region. Given Polish skittishness, such a maneuver should be delayed as long as possible. Unfortunately, the Russians will be aware of this fact and will probably bring pressure to bear on the Baltics sooner rather than later, making this a clear and early point of friction.

Whatever happens to Germany, it is of extreme importance to the United States to maintain a strong bilateral relationship with Denmark, whose waters block the exits from the Baltic Sea. Norway, whose North Cape provides facilities to block the Russian fleet in Murmansk, has value to the United States, as does Iceland, a superb platform from which to search for Russian submarines. Neither country is a member of the European Union, and Iceland is resentful of Germany because of economic actions taken during the 2008 financial crisis. Thus both can be gathered in at relatively low cost.

The rest of the frontier with Russia will be the Carpathian Mountains, behind which lie Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania. It is a strategic imperative for the United States to maintain friendly relations with these three countries and to help them develop their military capability. But given the obstacle that the Carpathians present to an invader, the military capability required is minimal. Because these countries are less at risk than Poland and therefore freer to maneuver, there also will be a greater degree of political complexity. But so long as the Russians don’t move past the Carpathians and the Germans do not reduce these countries to complete economic dependency, the United States can manage the situation with a simple strategy: strengthen these economies and militaries, make it advantageous to remain pro-American, and wait. Do nothing to provoke the Russians in their sphere of influence. Do nothing to sabotage Russian economic relations with the rest of Europe. Do nothing to worry the rest of the Europeans that the U.S. is going to drag them into a war.

p. 138
In the Caucasus, the United States is currently aligned with Georgia, a country that remains under Russian pressure and whose internal politics are in the long run unpredictable, to say the least. The next line of countries, Armenia and Azerbaijan, is also problematic. The former is a Russian ally, the latter closer to Turkey. Because of historical hostility to Turkey, Armenia is always closer to Russia. Azerbaijan tries to balance among Turkey, Iran, and Russia.

It is one thing for the United States to stake out a position in Poland, a country of 40 million people. Remaining committed to Georgia, a country of only 4 million that is far less developed than Poland, is much more difficult. And defeat in Georgia, in the form of a pro-Russian government that would ask U.S. advisers and forces to leave, would not only unravel the American position in the Caucasus but create a crisis of confidence in Poland as well.

The situation in the Caucasus can be handled only by Turkey. Whereas Russia’s border moved north, unveiling the three historic states of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, Turkey’s border has remained stable. For the United States, it does not matter where the Russian tier is, so long as it is somewhere in the Caucasus. The only disastrous outcome would be a Russian occupation of Turkey, which is inconceivable, or a Russo-Turkish alliance, which is a more realistic danger.

Turkey and Russia have been historical rivals, two empires on the Black Sea, both competing in the Balkans and the Caucasus. More important, the Russians look at the Bosporus as their blocked gate to the Mediterranean. Turkey may well collaborate with the Russians in the next decade, particularly given dependency on Russian oil, but the idea that it would shift its own border in the Caucasus southward or abandon the Bosporus in any way is out of the question. Simply by existing, then, Turkey serves American interests in relation to Russia. And since the United States has no interest in the specifics of where Russia is contained in the Caucasus, as long as it is contained, it follows that a vast American commitment to Georgia makes little sense. Georgia is a drain on the United States with little benefit. So the American strategy in Georgia should be eliminated. It is left over from the period in which the Americans believed that such positions were risk- and cost-free. At a time when risks and costs are rising, the United States must manage its exposure more carefully, recognizing that Georgia is more liability than asset.

p. 139
In the next decade there will be a small window in which the United States can extract itself from Georgia and the Caucasus without causing psychological damage to its new coalition. But most likely, abandoning Georgia would create psychological uncertainty in Poland and in the Intermarium that could very quickly cause those countries to recalculate their stance. Waiting until Poland and Russia confront each other would simply increase the magnitude of the stress. Therefore, rethinking Georgia as soon as possible has four advantages. First, it gives the United States time to stabilize the Intermarium’s psychology. Second, it makes it clear that the United States is making this move for its own reasons, not because of Russian pressure. Third, it will demonstrate to the Turks that the United States can shift positions, making an increasingly confident Turkey more wary of the United States—and sometimes wary is good. Fourth, the United States can ask for Russian concessions in Central Asia in return for backing off in the Caucasus. "
[...]
p. 141
Russia does not threaten America’s global position, but the mere possibility that it might collaborate with Europe and particularly Germany opens up the most significant threat in the decade, a long-term threat that needs to be nipped in the bud. The United States can’t expect Germany to serve the role it played in the Cold War as the frontier set against the Soviet empire. In the next decade, the United States must work to make Poland what Germany was in the 1950s, although the Russian threat will not be as significant, forceful, or monochromatic as it was then. At the same time that the geopolitical confrontation goes on, the United States and Russia will be engaged in economic and political collaboration elsewhere. This is not your daddy’s Cold War. The two countries might well collaborate in Central Asia or even the Caucasus while confronting each other in Poland and the Carpathians.

In the long run, the Russians are in trouble and can’t sustain a major role in international affairs. Their dependence on commodity exports fills their coffers but doesn’t build their economy. Their population is in severe decline. Their geographic structure is unchanged. But in geopolitics, a decade is not the long run. The mere collapse of the Soviet Union took a decade to run its course. For this decade, the threat of Russia and Europe will persist, and it will preoccupy the president as he attempts to restore balance to U.S. global strategy.

From the section "The American Strategy" in chapter 9 "Europe's return to history"
p. 162
"At the same time, the United States must, in this relatively friendly context, take the necessary steps to deal with the possibility of a Russo-German entente. To do this, the president must begin moving toward bilateral relations with some key European countries, and he must do so outside the usual framework of multilateral relations. The model to use is Britain, a part of NATO and the EU, yet with a robust relationship with the United States on its own. Over the next few years the United States must emphasize bilateral relations with countries on the periphery of Europe, bypassing NATO while paying lip service to it.

p.163
The choice of relationships can be somewhat random, serving as they do mostly to reinforce the image of the United States as benign and content with whatever Germany does. But some countries are genuinely important to American interests. Denmark controls access to the Atlantic for the Russians while providing access to the Baltic for the United States. Italy is a country that has both a substantial economy and a strategic position in the Mediterranean. Norway, always closer to Britain than to the rest of Europe, can provide strategic advantages for the United States, from military bases to the prospect of partnerships in the Norwegian oil industry. And of course a relationship with Turkey provides the United States with options in the Balkans, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, and the Arab world. But the United States should not focus on these valuable countries by themselves. It should reach out to a range of countries, some of which might be much more a burden than an advantage. The Germans and French both look down on the United States as unsophisticated. The United States should take advantage of this in the next decade by making purposeful moves along with some that seem arbitrary. Everything must be done to lead the Germans and perhaps the French to a sense that the United States is unfocused in its actions.

These relationships are not ends in themselves—they are a cover for the crucial prize of Poland and the Intermarium (Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania), which provide the geography for containing Russia. And here the American strategy once again needs to be consciously deceptive. It must lull Europe into a sense that the United States is simply drawing closer to those countries that want to be drawn closer, and that among these countries are Poland, the rest of the Intermarium, and the Baltics. Any indication that the United States is directly seeking to block Germany or to create a crisis with Russia will generate a counterreaction in Europe that might drive the periphery back into the arms of the center. Europe as a whole does not want to be drawn into a confrontation. At the same time, the desire to have an alternative to a Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis will be strong, and if the cost is low, the periphery will be attracted to the United States—or Britain—as that alternative. At all costs, the United States must prevent the geographical amalgamation of Russia and the European peninsula, because that would create a power the United States would be hard-pressed to contain.

p. 164
Credibility will be the key point, particularly for Poland. The United States must make a twofold argument to overcome Poland’s historical scars. First, it must argue that the Poles deluded themselves in believing that the French and British could defend them against the Germans in 1939, which was geographically impossible. Second, the United States must offer the unpleasant reminder that the Poles did not resist long enough for anyone to come to their assistance—they collapsed in the first week of a German conquest that took only six weeks to complete. Poland, and the rest of the EU countries, cannot be helped if they can’t help themselves.

This is the challenge for the American president as we enter the next decade. He must move with misdirection in order not to create concern in Moscow or Berlin that might make those governments increase the intensity of their relationship before the United States can create a structure to limit it. At the same time, the United States must reassure Poland and other countries of the seriousness of its commitment to their interests. These things can be done, but success will require the studied lack of sophistication of a Ronald Reagan and the casual dishonesty of an FDR. The president must appear to be not very bright yet be able to lie convincingly. The target of this charade will not be future allies but potential enemies. The United States needs to buy time.

The ideal American strategy will be to supply aid to support the development of indigenous military power that can deter attackers, or that can at least hold out long enough for help to arrive. U.S. aid can also create an environment of economic growth, both by building the economy and by providing access to American markets. During the Cold War, this is how the United States induced West Germany, Japan, and South Korea, among others, to take the risk of resisting the Communists.

p. 165
Whatever argument the United States makes to Poland in the next few years, the Poles’ willingness and ability to serve American purposes will depend on three things. The first is U.S. economic and technical support to build a native Polish military force. The second is the transfer of military technology to build up domestic industry, both in support of national defense and for civilian use. The third is to supply sufficient American forces in Poland to convince the Poles that the American stake in their country is entirely credible.

This relationship must focus on Poland but be extended to the other Intermarium countries, particularly Hungary and Romania. Both of these are critical to holding the Carpathian line, and both can respond effectively to the kinds of incentives the United States is making available to them. The Baltics represent a separate case. They are indefensible, but if war can be avoided, the Baltics make an attractive bone to place in the Russians’ throat.

In all of this maneuvering, the point is first to avoid a war and second to limit a relationship between Russia and Germany that could, in succeeding decades, create a power that could challenge American hegemony. The present intentions of the Russians and Germans would be much more modest than that, but the American president must focus not on what others think now but what they will think later, when circumstances change.
If the above three perspectives on Poland offer some validity as to what role Poland has at the present, what would it take for Poland to avoid having to send weapons into Ukraine if such a decision would be mainly in the hands of their military partners in the US and NATO? At the beginning of this thread in 2014 there were some posts about how Poland connected to the Maidan stir. How much has changed since then? Willing cooperation fueled by continually stoked and unhealed fears seems to have worked wonders - especially from a US point of view.
 
Here they refer to the same thing, it would be a Ukrainian weapon.


Words that a certain group of Russian forces would have said, that would be in line with what Putin said:
“We’re not Americans, we don’t bring you ‘democracy’. If you have it, it’ll stay that way. Ukraine remains Ukrainian. In the near future, we will remove the power of the regime that sells you to foreigners.
Don't waste your lives for this rot, save them for your country & your loved ones. Your regime is Calling Russia an enemy & inviting NATO here, they left us no choice. We are not enemies. A little more and you will be convinced of this. Don't engage and we won't engage you.”


By the way, the misinformation that abounds and old videos is impressive, videos of captured Russian soldiers who were later revealed to be Ukrainians, alleged shooting down of two planes with a capacity of more than 100 paratroopers, it is said that the Ukrainians have already killed 3,500 Russians ... come on, not even in the bloodiest battles in weeks can those numbers be reached.
Brain dead talks from abroad , go here and look for yourself at these dead bodies and prisoned troops.

open google and look for ukrainian telegram channels where are LIVE videos of everything !

oh sorry you cant understand russian or ukrainian but sure you knpw all the stuff from ET!
hey we are truly liberated here!

Pray you are not next. But i am now praying youll be.
Such a stupidity and ignorance. Full forum!
 
I see people posting so much desinformation and russian propaganda.
I am ukranian....Western. HAve no words.
Spec-operation yeah.... Bla bla bla..
We in chaos right now and people are dying for no reason. Thats no liberation! Open some UKR telegram channeles and see real peoples video and open your eyes!
By reading the saker article to fish for useful info, I found a bucket of worms: we know what the Russian 5th column is. Since they perfectly describe what Andrew M. Lobaczewski defined as ponerized society. Gurdjieff called as Hasnamuss.
There is a new term however, making up much of the wasp nest and bucket of worms as a new CIA COINTELPRO, no doubt:
Now the much more complex issue. Russia ALSO has a 6th column.
Similarly ponerized people, but the Wetiko-mind virus this time got the more valuable people, some of the experts, the intelligentsia, generals.
Essentially, I think, the Russian 5th and 6th Column is similar what we see today among the civilian population: some who began to show signs of critical thinking by rejecting the Con-19 Ponzi Scheme Narrative pushed by the WEF - now have become rabid Anti-Russian, swallowing the new agenda pushed by the WEF.

Together, the 5th and 6th column, became Mass Civilian Media = Telegram, etc.. and are responsible for much of the onslaught of what you say. I think much of it is fake information targeting gullible people - who are not trained spy agents used to all this BS disseminated everywhere - , released by Western agents right in the middle of the crisis areas - (just like they did in Syria with "Russian airstrike" videos in the city, then the Syrian little girl and his father), paid / supported in one form or another by the West / NGOs, etc..

Because smartphone camera recorded evidence can be provided by anyone. Especially about very sensitive details, like the civilian car flattened by a Russian Strela looking vehicle.

This event has a couple videos made from different angles.
Download the four videos here.

As we see, civilians trying to save the elderly driver

But have the Russians or the UkroNazis committed this war crime?

This appears to be the Russian Strela tank-thread vehicle shot to pieces with its driver killed.

Still we don't know who was behind it all. Gory videos is all we have and the civilians have to fix it, bear the burden / clean up the damage.
 
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This is the banner image on the live BBC football sports page right now. As reports from 3 premier league matches go on below, this is what they really want you to be 'thinking' about - all the time. COVID...! I mean Ukraine...! 'cause we're all in this together...

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I don't want to implicate Putin by "association" but he has known Klaus Schwab since 1992 - says so himself here from around the 2:10 mark. They go back 30 years and this clearly precedes the "Young Leaders Programme". This is not to say that Putin is part of the WEF agenda, just pointing out the association which is a data point.

In 1990's Russia was in trouble and needed money. This is partly addressed in my comment here,


I have been to Davos many times, attending the events organized by Mr. Schwab, even back in the 1990s. Klaus just recalled that we met in 1992. Indeed, during my time in St Petersburg, I visited this important forum many times. I would like to thank you for this opportunity today to convey my point of view to the expert community that gathers at this world-renowned platform thanks to the efforts of Mr. Schwab.
Putin after leaving the KGB became involved in the running of St. Petersburg by being on the staff of city mayor Sobchak. He was a busy man,
Although his 1991 text notes that a March 1989 decree forbids the use of barter in raw material exports “(except in specially determined cases)” (Sobchak 1991: 59); a year later the City-Soviet's Investigative Committee found Vladimir Putin, the head of Sobchak's city government's Foreign Affairs department, guilty of performing just such a barter deal, which allegedly cost the city 100 million dollars. Those charges, like those against ANT, were
dropped, after which the head of that investigation moved to a village outside Pskov (Sal'e 2010). After the end of his term, Sobchak was himself charged with bribery and corruption – and moved to France until, two years later, those charges were dropped as well (Delo Sobchaka n.d.).
Note, nothing apparently happened to Putin !!! He must have had the "right connection" or wasn't "guilty". Who knows.

An article in FORBES magazine tells us more about Putin-Davos connection,
For my money, only a request to write off the debts of Russian companies explains the Russian prime minister's appearance at the Economic Forum, which he has always treated with poorly concealed disdain. Putin's visit was his first in nine years. In his eight years as president, he didn't come once. Sources in Moscow say that Putin constantly dissuaded his subordinates from attending.

Putin may have formed a negative impression after his first trip to Davos, in 1995, together with Anatolii Sobchak, then mayor of St. Petersburg. A source in Moscow insists that Sobchak and Putin were treated insultingly. Which is plausible enough if one considers that Klaus Schwab, the founder of the Economic Forum, has made it clear to many a politician that he considers Davos to be primarily a financial and banking forum.

This time around, Schwab seemed eager to take a jab at Putin. He not only introduced him as the "president" of the Russian government but managed to slip in references to the war with Georgia (with a phrase about Russia's attitude toward its neighbors), the "gas war" with Ukraine (with a mention of European energy security), and the lack of diversification in the Russian economy (with a nod to Russian domestic development).

In any other setting, Putin would never pass up an opportunity for a harsh response to a perceived slight. He leaped at the chance in Munich, Germany, in 2007, nearly setting off a new Cold War.

This time the Russian premier spoke calmly of the need to reduce government control over the economy. He even bit the bullet when Bill Clinton joked about his commitment to the free market.

Friends ? I doubt it.
 
Imho, also all those morons supporting idea that cutting Russia from SWIFT will cause good effect DO NOT THINK AT ALL. It will not only cut Russia money transfers from other countries, it will also cut those countries from transfers to Russia, and many businesses/countries are importing stuff from Russia. It will cause global crash on markets.

 
Imho, also all those morons supporting idea that cutting Russia from SWIFT will cause good effect DO NOT THINK AT ALL. It will not only cut Russia money transfers from other countries, it will also cut those countries from transfers to Russia, and many businesses/countries are importing stuff from Russia. It will cause global crash on markets.

Job done. All down to Russia though you'd think it's a bit too simplistic as anyone could work it out.
 
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