Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Voyageur

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And in any case, I wouldn't be too surprised if it ever turns out that our people knew about the preparation of the event and controlled its implementation. The Baltic Sea is small after all.

Would not go as far as to say "controlled its implementation," however being critical infrastructure (Russian heavy asset), could agree that I'm not so sure they would not have been caught unaware of the threat and actions. If that is so, they may have had to weigh a response (knowing they can fix it later) in favour of sacrificing it to the PTB over protecting it from the PTB. Protecting it would be pretty hard to do without drawing the world lens upon them should some parallel operation take place in the process. Shots in the Baltic might have been need, so they may have anticipated further negative offshoots should their intervention taken place. As it happened, the outcome only dirties the latter PTB's hands in so many ways, which might wake up the EU (at least its people who are going to suffer in the end) while exposing the EU/NATO cabal further.
 

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Sanctions and trade with Russia
From Sputniknews there was:

What Countries Trade With Russia Despite Imposing Sanctions?​

16:55 GMT 22.11.2022 (Updated: Yesterday)

Even as the United States and its allies imposed sanctions blocking energy imports from Russia, a number of western countries that jumped on board with these sanctions continue to import Russian hydrocarbons.

A recent investigation by one British newspaper revealed that the UK accepted some 39 tankers carrying Russian oil during sanctions, with the crude being labeled as being officially imported from countries other than Russia, such as Poland and Belgium.

So what other states continue to do business with Russia even though they themselves imposed economic sanctions against Moscow?
Among the countries, it the first five that are listed as having an increase:
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Would not go as far as to say "controlled its implementation," however being critical infrastructure (Russian heavy asset), could agree that I'm not so sure they would not have been caught unaware of the threat and actions. If that is so, they may have had to weigh a response (knowing they can fix it later) in favour of sacrificing it to the PTB over protecting it from the PTB. Protecting it would be pretty hard to do without drawing the world lens upon them should some parallel operation take place in the process. Shots in the Baltic might have been need, so they may have anticipated further negative offshoots should their intervention taken place. As it happened, the outcome only dirties the latter PTB's hands in so many ways, which might wake up the EU (at least its people who are going to suffer in the end) while exposing the EU/NATO cabal further.

The Duran guys today were discussing Russian long-term political strategies, and they discussed the idea that Russia is not seeking to wake up the EU, but actually to weaken them. From my perspective, this isn't necessarily taking specific actions to weaken the bloc beyond a large withdrawal from economic and political ties and a shift towards Asia. I think Russia has recognized the EU is almost totally lost and will not put much energy into changing EU policy or winning 'hearts and minds'.

As the EU collapses under the pressures from millions of likely Ukrainian refugees (many more than in 2015) and very, very limited gas and energy supplies, there may be some kind of awakening for some individual Souls who live in the affected areas. In general, however, it may be a pretty grim awakening on the 'descending branch of being' as populations under the influence of hyperkinetic sensate do what they've regularly done when despair sets in - go crazy. It may get very ugly.
 

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...the idea that Russia is not seeking to wake up the EU, but actually to weaken them.
Yeah, awakening is a pretty loose term, it will be a type of hell within and without of the EU.
In general, however, it may be a pretty grim awakening on the 'descending branch of being' as populations under the influence of hyperkinetic sensate do what they've regularly done when despair sets in - go crazy. It may get very ugly.
Yup.
 

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"Now, it has become pretty obvious that this reunification should have happened earlier," the president said
I find this statement quite extraordinary, considering Putin's level of foresight, patience and restraint throughout previous decades and the course of this year. It's further cemented my opinion that Russia is going to have to take all of Ukraine. De-nazification and de-NATOization will simply not be possible unless any potential "bridgehead" areas are removed.

Ironic that, with the Anglo-Americans' fanatical intention of playing a zero-sum game regarding the conquest of Russia, their refusal to cut their losses only further locks them into the losing position, with the likely result that they will ultimately lose everything. I don't consider it out of the realms of possibility that the United States will break into multiple countries if they continue this suicidal course.
 

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I find this statement quite extraordinary, considering Putin's level of foresight, patience and restraint throughout previous decades and the course of this year.

Well, Putin has clearly demonstrated time and time again that two things he values very highly are law and diplomacy. So that would explain this official stance on the Donbass since Maidan.

But we also have to bear in mind that he was speaking to the mothers of men who are fighting for Russia and willing to die (as much damage as Russia is inflicting on Ukraine, many Russian men are dying too) so maybe there was a bit of external considering in these statements he made.

For him to sit there in front of these mothers and tell them to their faces that maybe he could have done better might be a small consolation to them for what they’re going through now, speaking to their emotional needs.
 

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But we also have to bear in mind that he was speaking to the mothers of men who are fighting for Russia and willing to die (as much damage as Russia is inflicting on Ukraine, many Russian men are dying too) so maybe there was a bit of external considering in these statements he made.
Not exactly sure what you mean by "external considering", here. From my observations of Putin's speeches, especially his national Q&A's, he doesn't say things that he doesn't believe. He might make notable omissions for the purposes of tact and external considering, but to say that a plan long in the making by the best strategic minds in Russia should have been executed earlier is not something he would say unless he personally agreed with it, regardless of his audience, or so I think.
 

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Not exactly sure what you mean by "external considering", here. From my observations of Putin's speeches, especially his national Q&A's, he doesn't say things that he doesn't believe. He might make notable omissions for the purposes of tact and external considering, but to say that a plan long in the making by the best strategic minds in Russia should have been executed earlier is not something he would say unless he personally agreed with it, regardless of his audience, or so I think.
His words according to Tass:


"As far as 2014 is concerned, of course, in hindsight, we know everything now, but we proceeded from the assumption that it might be possible to come to terms, that Lugansk and Donetsk would be able to reunite with Ukraine somehow within the framework of the Minsk agreements. We were sincerely working towards this, but we didn’t fully feel the mood of the people, it was impossible to understand what was happening there," Putin said on Friday at a meeting with the mothers of servicemen participating in the special military operation.

"Now, it has become pretty obvious that this reunification should have happened earlier. Maybe there would not have been so many civilian casualties, and there would not have been so many children killed by bombardments," Putin said.
This suggests to me that he is honest enough to say that, in hindsight, there would have been a real argument for taking the risk of earlier action. Nobody could have foreseen exactly how the conflict would play out. In reality, there were good reasons at the time to see the risk as too great and patiently work towards better preparedness. No leader is going to share all the necessary details with the general public as to what weaknesses they were aware of, what scenarios they had envisioned etc. Not even Putin. He is being honest without sharing all the details, being considerate of the context and his audience, as he always is.
 

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Would not go as far as to say "controlled its implementation," however being critical infrastructure (Russian heavy asset), could agree that I'm not so sure they would not have been caught unaware of the threat and actions. If that is so, they may have had to weigh a response (knowing they can fix it later) in favour of sacrificing it to the PTB over protecting it from the PTB. Protecting it would be pretty hard to do without drawing the world lens upon them should some parallel operation take place in the process. Shots in the Baltic might have been need, so they may have anticipated further negative offshoots should their intervention taken place. As it happened, the outcome only dirties the latter PTB's hands in so many ways, which might wake up the EU (at least its people who are going to suffer in the end) while exposing the EU/NATO cabal further.
Actually, practically what you wrote is what I meant. The question of the name in my opinion. To know about the threat (I'm sure our people knew) and not take any action is a kind of control. I think that the whole situation, at least the air and surface situation in the Baltic Sea is controlled and now, after the event, our people have a specific list of technical means (ships, helicopters, etc.) that could carry out this rather specific act. It is quite possible even with specific surnames. In any case, the names of the captains of the ships are known for sure.
Why and why did our leadership do this? In part, you wrote about it. I also remember the words of C's on a similar occasion. The quote, unfortunately, is not accurate, but one day they said Putin was driving a tyrant into a trap. In my opinion, this situation with the "Northern Streams" is 100% suitable

Собственно практически то, что вы написали я и имел ввиду. Вопрос названия на мой взгляд. Знать об угрозе (я уверен, что наши знали) и не предпринимать никаких действий это и есть своего рода контроль. Я думаю, что вся ситуация, по крайней мере воздушная и надводная в Балтийском море контролируется и теперь, после события у наших есть конкретный список технических средств (корабли, вертолеты и пр.), которые могли осуществить этот, достаточно специфический акт. Вполне возможно даже с конкретными фамилиями. Во всяком случае фамилии капитанов кораблей точно известны.
Зачем и почему так поступило наше руководство? Отчасти вы написали об этом. Мне же вспоминаются слова C's по подобному поводу. Цитата, к сожалению не точная, но однажды они сказали, Путин загоняет тирана в ловушку. По моему, к этой ситуации с "Северными потоками" подходит на 100%
 

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A more appropriate title would be "Frozen out. How the USA sacrificed Europe".
 

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From Sputnik and TG, there is an update on the US bioweapon research.

John Bolton Coauthored Strategy on Creating Bioweapons to Assure US 'Global Leadership': Russian MOD

2 hours ago (Updated: 3 minutes ago)
In this Sept. 30, 2019, file photo, former National security adviser John Bolton gestures while speakings at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. - Sputnik International, 1920, 26.11.2022

© AP Photo / Pablo Martinez Monsivais


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Russia's Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Troops have released trove after trove of confidential documents detailing Pentagon bioweapons programs across the globe, particularly in Ukraine. US officials and media have broadly ignored the revelations, but part of the information has been corroborated in independent reporting.

John Bolton, the Washington arch-neocon who served as one of the architects of George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq, and as former President Donald Trump's national security advisor before his resignation in disgrace, was intimately involved in formulating the US drive for global dominance in bioweapons research, a top Russian military official has indicated.

"The ongoing research in the United States to enhance the pathogenic properties of microorganisms is forcing us to rethink the statements of US officials in charge of countering biological threats. One such official is John Bolton, who [previously] served as the US national security advisor," Russian RCBP Troops chief Igor Kirillov said in a briefing Saturday.

"Consider Bolton's September 2000 report 'Rebuilding America's Defenses'," Kirillov said, recalling the paper's call for the US to take steps to maintain its military superiority deep into the 21st century. "The paper noted that to achieve a position of world leadership, the United States must maintain its military superiority, and one of the ways to do so was the creation of biological weapons. At the same time, the paper indicated that advanced forms of biological weapons capable of targeting certain genotypes could change the role of this type of weapon - from a deterrent into a beneficial policy tool," the senior officer said.

Kirillov recalled that John Bolton led the US delegation to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention's Fifth Review Conference in November-December 2001. Thereafter, Washington blocked the functioning of the UN body's verification mechanism, as well as proposed measures to check bioweapons storage cites, citing threats such verification measures would pose to US "national interests." Bolton characterized the BTWC's verification protocol as "dead," and said it's "not going to be resurrected."

The MoD's briefing includes the relevant quote from the 2000 policy document, which would go on to serve as a blueprint of sorts for the Bush administration's foreign and security policy.
Excerpt from the September 2000 document Rebuilding America's Defenses by the Project for the New American Century. - Sputnik International, 1920, 26.11.2022

Excerpt from the September 2000 document Rebuilding America's Defenses by the Project for the New American Century.
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New Documents​

As is typical in his briefings, Kirillov accompanied his presentation with a fresh trove of documents, including papers related to US efforts to build up the country's military-biological potential. Unlike in earlier briefings, which featured classified materials, most of the documents cited in Saturday's presentation are already publicly available, with the MoD's take focusing on analyzing the files and reading between the lines as to their implications.
These included the National Biodefense Strategy and Implementation Plan, a policy document published by the White House in October detailing US efforts ostensibly aimed at "countering biological threats, enhancing pandemic preparedness, and achieving global health security." Kirillov pointed out that the strategy has received $88 billion in funding for its implementation over five years, including $17 billion during the first year.

Pointing to the document's statement that "biological risk management requires understanding and assessing biological risks and taking steps to mitigate those risks, regardless of whether they originate in the United States or abroad," Kirillov cited this as evidence of US attempts to interfere in the internal affairs of other states.

The officer also pointed to US plans to continue the study of the pathogens of especially dangerous infectious diseases endemic to certain geographical areas, and efforts to cover up accusations of military biological activity by inviting the participation of civilian health organizations to work as contractors for the Pentagon.

"Thus, within the framework of the strategy, the United States intends to strengthen global control over the biological situation in the world, and reserve the right to conduct 'dual purpose' research, including outside US territory," Kirillov said.
Excerpt from White House national biodefense strategy document pointing to the dual-use nature of life sciences and biotech research. - Sputnik International, 1920, 26.11.2022

Excerpt from White House national biodefense strategy document pointing to the dual-use nature of life sciences and biotech research.
© Photo : White House

Kirillov also pointed to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency's Strategy document for the years 2022-2027, whose unclassified portion similarly acknowledges the "dual use nature" of biological research, and prioritizes US and allied forces "ability to compete and, when necessary, win against potential WMD-armed adversaries," including by "highlighting WMD warfighting challenges and adversary vulnerabilities through strategic and operational analysis, and supporting DoD plans and exercises focused on CWMD threats."
Unclassified portion of the DTRA's 2022-2027 Strategy document. - Sputnik International, 1920, 26.11.2022

Unclassified portion of the DTRA's 2022-2027 Strategy document.
© Photo : DTRA

The Russian MoD previously implicated the DTRA in a broad range of bioweapons-related activities around the globe, including the operation, funding, construction and modernization of biolabs across Ukraine working with dangerous pathogens since at least 2005.

Kirillov also pointed to the heavily redacted 345-page trove of documents recently retrieved by Judicial Watch through a FOIA request regarding the Pentagon's biological activities in Ukraine, including financing to Pentagon contractor Black and Veatch. The contractor and others like it received tens of millions of dollars to assist in a range of biowarfare-related programs across Ukraine, from research into plague and typhus to diseases targeting agriculture, flora, fauna and even certain ethnic groups.

"The published documents once again confirm the extent of cooperation between Kiev and Washington, as well as attempts to establish control over pathogens in Ukrainian laboratories through the introduction of the Pathogen Asset Control System (PACS), elements of which were transferred to Ukraine under the label 'property of the US Government'," Kirillov said.
From MoD Russia:
Briefing by Chief of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov

◽️The Ninth Review Conference of the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) will take place in Geneva, Switzerland, from 28 November to 16 December 2022.

◽️Such sessions are organised every five years in accordance with Article 12 of the Convention to examine the present state of the BWC, compliance challenges, and to review scientific and technological advancements having dual-use potential.
And in the following TG posts, there are some slides:
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It would seem that the US and allied bioweapons research work and intentions was on its own a good enough reason for Russia to do something in Ukraine.
 

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The Belarusian Foreign Minister, Vladimir Makei, has died without explanation. According to Belarus-owned news agency Belta, Mr Makei "died suddenly" at the age of 64, having served in the position since 2012. 4 days prior to his death, Mr Makei visited Yerevan in Armenia, and just yesterday was seen meeting Archbishop Ante Jozic - suggesting the death was not the result of a prolonged illness.

His abrupt death comes amid rising tensions between NATO and Belarus, as Russia continues to deploy their troops in the country - and just a day after a think tank predicted that Vladimir Putin may attempt to intimidate Belarus into joining the invasion of Ukraine.

The Kremlin's foreign ministry said Russia was "shocked" to hear of the death. The press secretary of the Belarusian Foreign Ministry told Sputnik that Mr Makei "died suddenly a few hours ago. There were no signs. A great loss for all of us."

Russia's foreign ministry representative Maria Zakharova said in a Telegram message: "We are shocked by reports of the death of the head of the Foreign Ministry of the Republic of Belarus, Vladimir Makei. Official condolences from the Russian Foreign Ministry will be published in the near future."

The US-based Robert Lansing Institute yesterday quoted sources from the top of the Russian military who suggested that Putin would make an assassination attempt on Belarusian president Lukashenko, "or its imitation".

The think tank claimed such an act had the aim of "ultimately intimidating the latter and prompting him to finally order his troops to directly engage in the war on Ukraine, alongside Russian troops."

ust days before Mr Makei's death, the Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) also claimed Russian special services were seeking to conduct false flag operations in Belarus in order to drag them into the war.

However, the Institute for the Study of War refuted whether such an attempt would be successful, saying Belarus was unlikely to enter the war due to the "heavy domestic risk that involvement would pose to the survival" of Lukashenko's regime.

Lukashenko recently dismissed speculation that Belarus would join the invasion.

While Belarus has been used as a staging post for Russian attacks on Ukraine and Moscow has deployed troops and weapons there, it has not taken a more direct role in the war.

During a summit for the Russia-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), Lukashenko quashed rumours of Belarus intending to engage, remarking: "We will add nothing to it".

He added: "On the contrary, we will make things worse. It is not Belarus' role in this conflict."

The president said that while Belarus is supporting Russia in other ways, "we are not getting involved, we don't kill anyone, we don't send personnel over there because there is no need for it."

A survey earlier this year in Belarus by the Chatham House think tank showed that less than a 10th of Belarus' population supported sending troops to participate in the war.

he Ukrainians are furious and shoot down the wife of NarcoFührer #Zelensky who staged herself in her luxurious accommodation in #Angleterre to explain that the Ukrainians are ready to endure without light, without water and without heating for years


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Maybe a threshold is near to be reached, when the money laundering touches his limits...

27 Nov, 02:43

Majority of NATO countries exhausted possibilities of arms supply to Ukraine – newspaper​

Among the states that are still ready to support Kyiv with weapons are France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands
NEW YORK, November 27. /TASS/. Two thirds of NATO countries have exhausted their potential as regards the supplies of armament to Ukraine, The New York Times said, citing representatives of the alliance.
Reserves of twenty out of thirty NATO members are "pretty tapped out" but the remaining ten can still continue supplies, the newspaper said. Among such countries are France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.
The situation with armament reserves is particularly challenging for Poland and Baltic States, the newspaper noted. NATO countries in total transferred weapons to Ukraine worth $40 bln, which is comparable with the annual defense budget of France, The New York Times added.
 
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