Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Oops! There are interesting questions, treba vidpovidaty (in Ukrainian. it is necessary to answer), at least so that other forum members can understand what we are talking about here.
Khokhol is a very old, pre-Soviet name for a Ukrainian (since the time when the name Ukraine itself did not exist), just as Ukrainians traditionally call Russians Katsaps and Muscovites. This is history and traditions.

Опа! Возникли интересные вопросы, трэба видповидаты (укр. необходимо ответить), как минимум, чтобы другим форумчанам было понятно о чем тут речь.
Хохол это очень старое, ещё досоветское название украинца (еще с тех времен, когда самого названия украина не существовало), так же как и украинцы традиционно называют русских кацапами и москалями. Это история и традиции.
обмануть и использовать себя в целях англосаксонских глобалистов и которые видят свое счастливое будущее только в уничтожении России.

You see? You are initially dissatisfied with me. Hostile and insulting. But on what grounds? Only because you and I are on different sides of the border. That is the only reason that is enough for you. And you are deliberately and consciously trying to insult and humiliate me. But it does not work with me. I do not consider you my enemy, I do not hate you. I am simply bitter that people like you only make the situation even darker. If Caesar had killed every Gaul in his campaigns against them, he would hardly have become so famous. But what he understood and saw, you do not see and do not understand. I have never called Russians Muscovites, etc. But you call your neighbors that. That is the difference between us. But at the same time, you consider yourself truthful and that the truth is on your side. One point of view, and it is true only for you. All the Ukrops think exactly the same. That there is only their one truth, and all who differ, who do not agree with them, must be "remade" by force, "cancelled", destroyed, finally. So that only their utopian world exists. You do the same. And I feel sorry for you.
 
And I feel sorry for you.
Oh my God, what a terrible verbal salad! I have one question and this question is not addressed to you, put to other forum members: where did you see all this? Hatred, black-and-white perception, contempt for everyone? Read more careful what I have written and for God's sake keep your pity for me to yourself. You definitely need it more.

Боже мой, какой кошмарный словесный салат! У меня один вопрос и этот вопрос адресуется не вам, а другим форумчанам: где вы все это увидели? Ненависть, черно-белое восприятие, презрение ко всем подряд? Почитайте повнимательней, что я написал и ради бога оставьте свою жалость ко мне при себе. Вам она, определенно, нужнее.
 
Oh my God, what a terrible verbal salad! I have one question and this question is not addressed to you, put to other forum members: where did you see all this? Hatred, black-and-white perception, contempt for everyone? Read more careful what I have written and for God's sake keep your pity for me to yourself. You definitely need it more.

Боже мой, какой кошмарный словесный салат! У меня один вопрос и этот вопрос адресуется не вам, а другим форумчанам: где вы все это увидели? Ненависть, черно-белое восприятие, презрение ко всем подряд? Почитайте повнимательней, что я написал и ради бога оставьте свою жалость ко мне при себе. Вам она, определенно, нужнее.

I didn't expect you to understand. Zombies aren't capable of that. They just ignore anything that might damage their soap bubble.
Sleep well.
 
I didn't expect you to understand. Zombies aren't capable of that. They just ignore anything that might damage their soap bubble.
Sleep well.
Finally, I would like to answer with the words of the hero of the 1980 cult film for most soviet "The meeting place cannot be changed" by Senior Lieutenant Sharapov, who said to the bandit Blotter: "Pick up the drool - I won't wipe out myself after you"

Хочется напоследок ответить словами культового героя не менее культового для русскоязычных фильма 1980 года "Место встречи изменить нельзя" старшего лейтенанта Шарапова, сказанные бандиту Промокашке: "Слюни подбери- после тебя не утереться"
 
I object to this mud-slinging between Lumiere and Youlik. It goes nowhere but creates angry noise. Who is learning anything about anything? I read earlier and withdrew in discomfort, not wanting to wade in but here I am, couple hours later and here's my two cents worth. I come out feeling as I said, Lumiere du co de is baiting Youlik for no good reason I can detect.

That's it. Nothing fancy from me. I certainly could be missing something more educational here and if I review the posts and feel I have wronged Lumiere I am more than willing to apologize, or wronged Youlik, though to my reading Youlik is keeping a lid on it.
 
I object to this mud-slinging between Lumiere and Youlik. It goes nowhere but creates angry noise. Who is learning anything about anything? I read earlier and withdrew in discomfort, not wanting to wade in but here I am, couple hours later and here's my two cents worth. I come out feeling as I said, Lumiere du co de is baiting Youlik for no good reason I can detect.

That's it. Nothing fancy from me. I certainly could be missing something more educational here and if I review the posts and feel I have wronged Lumiere I am more than willing to apologize, or wronged Youlik, though to my reading Youlik is keeping a lid on it.
Lumiere_du_Code is in a very exhausting situation, lasting since more than two years and with no end to it till who knows when, and he feels insulted by the identification of youlik of Ukrainians as Ukrops and whatever else. He and most Ukrainians didn't choose to be in this terrible mess. Same for people in Gaza and whoever wherever.
When we identify to being this or that we attract division, which is the food for the PtB. The good side versus the bad one, republicans against democrats, you name it. It is the state of mind that keeps us fighting and loosing our creative capacities.
Empathy is one of the main remedies.
All there is is Lessons
 
@Lumiere_du_Code I can understand how emotional you are, but as Joe said, Youlik was referring to those in the UK military.

I often feel very sad and angry when thinking, and seeing videos of the Ukrainian men being, well, abducted actually, and made to serve in the military. And, with that being the case, knowing how they are not there by their own choosing, they shouldn't really be included in that term. But that is how it is in war.

Please know that there are those of us who do know that not all Ukrainians support what the leaders of Ukraine are doing. That most want this war to stop. They want nothing to do with it. And, that they are in a very difficult situation. I know that it is hard, but try to take a bit of comfort in the fact that we do care about you, and all like you, who are having to cope the best way possible to survive a war you do not want.

That said, please try to not post while you are so emotional.
 
I have always considered this forum a special place, where there is unity and everyone has similar ideas about the world, expectations and hopes, where everyone is here to learn things better and to learn something new.

For everyone here, I would like to emphasize again what I wrote above: imagine that everyone here starts calling representatives of other nations by derogatory terms, and it seems normal and acceptable. If someone registers here from Israel, and there is an Arab who immediately starts expressing his contempt for him just because he is Israeli.
This has nothing to do with my situation. And these are not emotions. I just can't believe that strangers judge other forum participants, have unfounded hostility towards them and try to insult them. Youlik should not have answered me in Ukrainian, this is deliberate mockery and nothing else. I perceive this as unacceptable on this forum. That's all. But when I responded to him in his style, I was immediately considered emotional and toxic. Oh yeah, "that's different." If someone has no respect for those they don't even know, then I'm disappointed in this place.

Where I live, Russian troops on the other side, daily attack civilian objects on Ukrainian territory with drones. They hunt civilian cars that are just driving along the road and drop explosives on them. Or on parking lots, at gas stations. People die all the time. Houses and other objects are destroyed every day. Again and again, artillery strikes hit transformers and electrical substations, and the entire city and suburbs are without electricity and water. What's the reason for pointlessly hunting for citizens' cars? Is it military vehicle or an arms depot? Shells with flechettes fall repeatedly. Did you know that? Does youlik know that? No. No one will write this to you in the news, youlik will not tell you about it here. Instead, he gives the examples of the atrocities of the Nazis, addressing me. Strange. Isn't that black and white thinking? Denying facts that contradict a comfortable worldview. But glorifying war evokes strange feelings. At the same time, I do not call the Russian troops in Energodar by derogatory words, even when they do all these things. Every war is vile, and there are monsters and criminals on both sides. It is unwise to live in illusions. But it is even more unwise to multiply mutual hatred and enmity. This is serving psychopaths. Even if a truce comes tomorrow, hatred will remain for many years. This is what must be overcome.
If this is called emotion, then it is definitely better than losing humanity and imagining itself an enlightened guru.

Sorry for causing a wave in a pond.
 
I have always considered this forum a special place, where there is unity and everyone has similar ideas about the world, expectations and hopes, where everyone is here to learn things better and to learn something new.
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Where I live, Russian troops on the other side, daily attack civilian objects on Ukrainian territory with drones. They hunt civilian cars that are just driving along the road and drop explosives on them. Or on parking lots, at gas stations. People die all the time. Houses and other objects are destroyed every day. Again and again, artillery strikes hit transformers and electrical substations, and the entire city and suburbs are without electricity and water. What's the reason for pointlessly hunting for citizens' cars? Is it military vehicle or an arms depot? Shells with flechettes fall repeatedly. Did you know that? Does youlik know that? No. No one will write this to you in the news, youlik will not tell you about it here. Instead, he gives the examples of the atrocities of the Nazis, addressing me. Strange. Isn't that black and white thinking? Denying facts that contradict a comfortable worldview. But glorifying war evokes strange feelings. At the same time, I do not call the Russian troops in Energodar by derogatory words, even when they do all these things. Every war is vile, and there are monsters and criminals on both sides. It is unwise to live in illusions. But it is even more unwise to multiply mutual hatred and enmity. This is serving psychopaths. Even if a truce comes tomorrow, hatred will remain for many years. This is what must be overcome.
If this is called emotion, then it is definitely better than losing humanity and imagining itself an enlightened guru.

Sorry for causing a wave in a pond.
I'm sorry I was so curt in my post above, I sort of shot from the hip and couldn't think of more enlightened responses - like Joe and Nienna put forward! Live and learn for sure.

You have an intolerable situation on your hands, so overwhelming. Just getting through a day where you are.... you were certainly getting across the feelings resulting from that environment! Maybe more of us will in coming times be stressed to this max'
 
Can you quote text from one of Youlik's posts where he showed hostility towards you and insulted you?
I have already discussed this in detail in the answers above.
Also, I think that it is more difficult for a foreigner to understand this, since these are the peculiarities of another people, mentality. You simply may not see why this or that address can be perceived offensively or negatively.

This unpleasant attitude has been going on for a long time. I've been searching for posts in this thread for over an hour, but for some reason I don't see them. However, I definitely remember what it was. As well as the situation with the discussion of Joseph Stalin here, which was then cleaned up/moved.

Oops! There are interesting questions, treba vidpovidaty (in Ukrainian. it is necessary to answer), at least so that other forum members can understand what we are talking about here.
It's even more interesting with ukrop. Some are proud of this name. The Ukropsky journalist did not hesitate to come on a direct line with Putin in a sweater with such an inscription. So be proud, and at the same time be proud of the name "zhidobanderovets". It's all yours.
Look: he answered me in Ukrainian, thus defining me as a "patriot of Ukraine", as negatively disposed towards Russians. Then he told me to be proud of that names. This answers is a deliberate insult.

Khokhol is a very old, pre-Soviet name for a Ukrainian (since the time when the name Ukraine itself did not exist), just as Ukrainians traditionally call Russians Katsaps and Muscovites. This is history and traditions.
The so-called historical traditions have nothing to do with this forum and the communication here between the participants. Do you call the Englishmen negatively here? Not even someone personally, but in general? For example, British soldiers. After all, the Irish and Scots with the British also have "centuries-old traditions". What some characters may use in their everyday speech is specific to them and does not indicate that everyone without exception expresses themselves in this way and that it is appropriate in every situation.
Even if I agreed with this nonsense about "traditions" appropriate here, I have never addressed him with similar nicknames of local Russian-Ukrainian relations towards each other. This is the level of "simple" (to put it mildly) people, the place for which is kitchen conversations or on the streets of a provincial town. Does this forum belong to them? I do not know Youlik, he does not know me, to address me in such a way and connect me with all the things of "Ukrainian patriots".

Now about my personal attitude, which I do not impose on anyone. I use such names, of course, not out of excessive respect. I have no respect for the regime ... There is and cannot be respect for those who use terrorist methods and bloody provocations ... an organized strike on the station in Kramatorsk, the downed Malaysian Boeing ...
I also have no respect for those representatives of the people who have allowed themselves to be deceived and used for the purposes of the Anglo-Saxon globalists and who see their happy future only in the destruction of Russia.
And now reread the above. How does this relate to me, to throw all these examples in my face and add me to them?
He has no respect because I let all this happen. Great. And that is why he answers me in Ukrainian, considering me a supporter of the Nazi government of Ukraine.
What is all this based on? What right does he have to accuse me of all this, to treat me in this way? On what basis did he decide that I support the Ukrainian regime, that I am involved in all its crimes, that I WANT to be proud of Ukrainianism, all these terms, etc.? Or have I somehow committed a crime against him personally?
So, since I, for my part, am a witness to bad things done by Russians, I should treat Youlik in the same way, accuse him of these things, of "supporting Putin's regime", feel and express hostility and disrespect for all Russians without exception, etc.? If this is normal, in his understanding? There is plenty of this around. But here...

Really, forget it. I'm really tired of explaining it over and over again. Let everyone stick to their own opinion, if that's the case. I've made my conclusions.
 
Look: he answered me in Ukrainian, thus defining me as a "patriot of Ukraine", as negatively disposed towards Russians. Then he told me to be proud of that names. This answers is a deliberate insult.
Could it be that he answered you in Ukrainian because you are Ukrainian? He did not say he thought you were a patriot of Ukraine, that is how you are seeing it. That does not mean that that is how he sees it.
And now reread the above. How does this relate to me, to throw all these examples in my face and add me to them?
Good question. Why do you think it relates to you and he is adding you to them? I don't see that at all. He is saying how he feels about the regime and those who support that regime. Do you support that regime? Have you been deceived by them? If not, he was not talking about you.
What is all this based on? What right does he have to accuse me of all this, to treat me in this way?
I don't see anything that says he is accusing you of anything. He is stating how he feels about the regime and those who support it. If you don't support it or been deceived by it, he is not talking about you.
On what basis did he decide that I support the Ukrainian regime, that I am involved in all its crimes, that I WANT to be proud of Ukrainianism, all these terms, etc.? Or have I somehow committed a crime against him personally?
Where does it say he decided you support the Ukrainian regime? I don't see it.

You know, I say how I feel about the Zionists and those who support them and condone their actions in a very similar way. I say they are monsters who are worshipping at the altar of Moloch. I do not say all Jews or Israelis are included in this. And I don't include them in that.

Could it be that you are making a lot of assumptions about what has been said?
 
Oops! There are interesting questions, treba vidpovidaty (in Ukrainian. it is necessary to answer), at least so that other forum members can understand what we are talking about here.
Khokhol is a very old, pre-Soviet name for a Ukrainian (since the time when the name Ukraine itself did not exist), just as Ukrainians traditionally call Russians Katsaps and Muscovites. This is history and traditions.
Ukrop is a new name, coined exactly after 2014.
Now about the bazaar. The question posed implies that there is some kind of insult. I have already written about Khohol that this is history and traditions. Someone wants to be offended by traditions - this is their right.
It's even more interesting with ukrop. Some are proud of this name. The Ukropsky journalist did not hesitate to come on a direct line with Putin in a sweater with such an inscription. So be proud, and at the same time be proud of the name "zhidobanderovets". It's all yours.
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Now about my personal attitude, which I do not impose on anyone. I use such names, of course, not out of excessive respect. I have no respect for the regime that allowed the murder of the real Ukrainian patriot Olesya Buzina in front of his own house and the direct killers subsequently took some government positions. There is and cannot be respect for those who use terrorist methods and bloody provocations (the murder of Daria Dugina by explosion, the murder of Maxim Fomin by explosion, the attempted murder of Zakhar Prilepin, the notorious Irpen-Bucha, an organized strike on the station in Kramatorsk, the downed Malaysian Boeing, which everyone has already forgotten, as soon as it failed to blame Russia in it and so on).
I also have no respect for those representatives of the people who have allowed themselves to be deceived and used for the purposes of the Anglo-Saxon globalists and who see their happy future only in the destruction of Russia.
Let's restate it another way. If someone calls a conditional BLM member ‘nigger’ on this forum, his post can be deleted, although this term is absolutely historical and traditional, but today it is obviously offensive. If someone uses the term ‘jude’ when talking about the Israeli regime's crimes against Arabs with their carpet bombing of civilians, or when talking about their role in various ponerogenic processes in history like the French, Bolshevik or sexual revolutions, the distortion of original Christianity, or even that Zelensky is such, his post will be banned for inciting anti-Semitism, even though the term ‘jude’ is absolutely historical and traditional. A slur is a slur no matter how one treats someone.
 
Could it be that he answered you in Ukrainian because you are Ukrainian?
Being Ukrainian does not mean speaking Ukrainian. This is a country of the former union of nations, and millions of people at all times spoke different languages here, the main ones being Russian and Polish-Hungarian (which later became Ukrainian). Everyone who has previously read my posts in this thread should know my attitude towards Ukraine and everything Ukrainian. And Mr. Youlik knows it. Nevertheless, as a "witty taunt" he addressed me in Ukrainian in response to my simple question about his statements. What prompted him to do this? It is obvious. Considering how "language patrols" roam Ukrainian cities, demanding that everyone communicate exclusively in Ukrainian, thus identifying themselves as patriots (and in fact, silent slaves without a single right), this multiplies the effect. That is, he thinks that I am one of them. Of those who force, or of those who obediently obey.
If Youlik were a representative of a national minority in Russia, for example, a resident of Dagestan, and someone addressed him with the appropriate derogatory term, adding later that this is just an old tradition and that everyone is called that, he would definitely take such an address as an insult based on nationality, degrading human dignity. I will repeat once again that he can call other people whatever he wants, being at home or among his friends or where it may be acceptable. But I did not know that it was acceptable here. Which is what I tried to explain. That is why I asked him when this forum became like a bazaar. Are we on the street?

Are thousands of Russian-speaking men who are caught on the streets and forced to fight against Russians are khokhols? But as soon as they get into the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Youlik and all the other Russian patriots call them that and other insults. Isn't it the same as every German is Hitler? Then some people here should read, for example, Erich Maria Remark. He was a German soldier, does that make him an enemy of all mankind? There are other writers who were drafted into the Nazi army, but who did not support that war and ideology. Should they be considered Nazis and enemies of the whole world? Yes, that is the simplest human generalization. And it is stupid, it is petty. There are also many in the Russian army who do not want this war and killings. Who asks them? So what, let's just equate everyone one by one, let the Russians call all Ukrainians scum, and the Ukrainians, in turn, all Russians? That is exactly what is happening. A huge tragedy of tens of millions of people. Divide and rule.
I do not demand respect from anyone for the real bastards, supporters of Nazism, cruel actions, coercion, violence. I also hate and despise them. But why all these generalizations of feeble-minded people?
I do not justify any crimes, terror and all the rest. For example, those whom the Ukrainian General Staff is now sending to the Kursk region are not members of Nazi formations. These are forcibly mobilized people from the streets and participants in territorial defense, who were previously deceived, saying that none of them would be sent to the front. But who asks them (x2)? And now they are being destroyed there. And so that none of the Ukrainian soldiers decide to disobey the order, surrender or run, they have barrier detachments behind them, and these already consist of Nazis and foreign mercenaries. Nazis and all these talking psychopaths in military uniforms, appearing on Ukrainian television, will never be sent to a place where they can be killed. And they know it. That's why they can say any monstrous things, continuing to incite hatred and sow discord.
I could tell a lot about the real state of affairs in the Ukrainian army, but who cares when there are enough daily bravura reports about victories over the khokhols? I also know people whose relatives or acquaintances are in the Russian army, taking part in military operations in Donbass, and there are enough problems there too, and among those soldiers there are also those who commit war crimes and violence against non-combatants.. However, people always prefer to look at only one side of the coin. Should all other people therefore call the Russian army by offensive terms?

Every sane Ukrainian does not support what is happening, and there are many of them. But no one, not a single person can even say anything out loud in front of anyone, because anyone can turn out to be a traitor and report to the Gestapo. Here people are sent to prison and killed just for LIKE on a social network. What kind of organized resistance can we talk about? Phones are tapped, Internet traffic is monitored. A person returns home from work, and right in front of his house he is grabbed and kidnapped. But let's generalize and call everyone khokhols and supporters of this criminal and lawless regime.
Because it's so simple, and it removes all questions. You're not like us = enemy or not worthy of respect. Youlik could have continued to address me in Russian. But he answered two words in Ukrainian, thus designating me as one of them. Which I am not. This is a deliberate display of disrespect or contempt.

I made a mistake asking him that question. I should have simply closed this page, having seen this attitude. It is useless to expect a different reaction, as I have seen a thousand times. I am sorry that many here have been drawn into this unpleasant situation. Indeed, silence is gold. I just wanted to know if all such expressions are acceptable here. If so, I have no more questions.
 
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