Question(s) for the C's?

Laura said:
I want to make an additional suggestion: I want ALL of you to think about the amount of energy I must expend in engaging with the Cs in order to ask and receive the responses to your questions. In short, a bit of external considering is in order here. With that in mind, make sure your question is clear, concise, that there is sufficient background data included so that I, myself, can decide if I think my energy is well spent on that particular question. Then, make sure that you cannot figure out the answer yourself with some research and thinking. Finally, is the question crucial to understanding our reality here and making it possible for us to learn our lessons HERE.

Well, first off le me apologize for not even considering the idea that it might be an energy drain. It think it should have occurred to me as a strong possibility. I'll add more background and references to some of the research I've done and repost here for additional feedback first before emailing it to sott.

Laura said:
Then, having done that, one - or several - of you, compile the questions and background data and justifications into a document and send it as an attachment to sott(at)sott.net.

I for one will volunteer to do that (i.e. compile the list). I propose we do that after we have submitted some updated requests here with the additional information, and after it has a chance for others to feedback as well on whether it is a worthy question for submittal.

What document format would be best for you? Would pdf work? I don't think a text file would be sufficient because of some of the images posted here earlier in Xman's detailed request.
 
I also didn't know it is so taxing engaging wih the C's. I'll withdraw my question.
 
I'm not so worried about the swine flu as I am about the vaccine. If we are forced to submit to the swine flu vaccine, what is the best course to reverse the vaccine induced damage?

Homeopathy and Fulvic Acid have been used successfully to reverse conventional vaccine damage, but are they effective against this two-part swine flu vaccine? Since it seems this vaccine will be binary BW [Bio-Weapons] agents that only become effective when two components are combined (a particularly insidious example would be a mild pathogen that when combined with its antidote becomes virulent); "designer BW agents created to be antibiotic resistant or to evade an immune response; weaponized gene therapy vectors that effect permanent change in the victim's genetic makeup; or a "stealth" virus, which could lie dormant inside the victim for an extended period before being triggered, will these methods still be effective? If not, is there anything else that will reverse the effects?

Many thanks!
 
:shock: I guess I won't say much because of the "graivty" of what's already been said :shock: Much food for thought. For me anyway. :-[
 
Okay, one question pertinent to current developments:

Credo Mutwa once said that inoculations / vaccines spiritually blinds Africans (I would think that this applies to all races if true), and talked of how they would trick the authorities in helping the kids escape inoculation / vaccination.

Considering that we live in a conscious universe, and that spiritual growth is what matters; is there truth in what he said, in that whatever is inside the vaccines can have a detrimental effect on spiritual growth as well, apart from the intended population reduction (as we suspect)?

So in other words, not just physically detrimental, but spiritually detrimental as well. I hope this question is not too outrageous...
 
E said:
Okay, one question pertinent to current developments:

Credo Mutwa once said that inoculations / vaccines spiritually blinds Africans (I would think that this applies to all races if true), and talked of how they would trick the authorities in helping the kids escape inoculation / vaccination.

Considering that we live in a conscious universe, and that spiritual growth is what matters; is there truth in what he said, in that whatever is inside the vaccines can have a detrimental effect on spiritual growth as well, apart from the intended population reduction (as we suspect)?

So in other words, not just physically detrimental, but spiritually detrimental as well. I hope this question is not too outrageous...
Here's a reference in earlier transcripts. While there's no indication or question about outright "spiritual blindness", there is this (bolded):
020504 said:
Q: (B) Well then they were right. Now, there was a discussion about psychopaths and seemingly being born that way, and a reference was made to mercury content in vaccines and Laura said that there is a distinct possibility that inoculations mentioned may directly affect the brains of infants and turn them into psychopaths. Is that a third area that needs to be pursued in our quest of learning about psychopaths?
A: Such inoculations are designed to make the nervous system more "appropriately tuned" to 4D STS "downloads" and manipulation.
Q: (A) What inoculations? (L) Childhood vaccinations. (B) High mercury content in the 18 vaccinations that a kid gets now in infancy.
This might be something possible to overcome through Work and gaining of knowledge, but I don't know.
 
Csayeursost said:
Here's a reference in earlier transcripts. While there's no indication or question about outright "spiritual blindness", there is this (bolded):
020504 said:
Q: (B) Well then they were right. Now, there was a discussion about psychopaths and seemingly being born that way, and a reference was made to mercury content in vaccines and Laura said that there is a distinct possibility that inoculations mentioned may directly affect the brains of infants and turn them into psychopaths. Is that a third area that needs to be pursued in our quest of learning about psychopaths?
A: Such inoculations are designed to make the nervous system more "appropriately tuned" to 4D STS "downloads" and manipulation.
Q: (A) What inoculations? (L) Childhood vaccinations. (B) High mercury content in the 18 vaccinations that a kid gets now in infancy.
This might be something possible to overcome through Work and gaining of knowledge, but I don't know.

Csayeursost - I think I missed this session. Can you please point me to the link where it's at? Thanks!
 
In my professional experience, working with electronics as troubleshooter, it was
important for even somewhat complex systems to have sufficient feedback.

Question: Considering the cosmos what is the feedback system from individual
consciousness units back to the Cosmic Mind?
 
Laura said:
I want to make an additional suggestion: I want ALL of you to think about the amount of energy I must expend in engaging with the Cs in order to ask and receive the responses to your questions. [...] Finally, is the question crucial to understanding our reality here and making it possible for us to learn our lessons HERE.

Rhino said:
I also didn't know it is so taxing engaging wih the C's. I'll withdraw my question.

Yup i also withdraw my question, i think is not a crucial question for undertanding our reality... that seal is for sure a mistery for me, but maybe a dumb one with a dumb explanation!!!

truth seeker said:
I was doing a little research and found myself in the area of crests and heraldry. On thishttp://www.asis.com/users/stag/symbols.html page, it links some symbols with the 12 tribes of Israel. I may be totally off in this. The writing on the top looks Hebrew to me.

Thanks truth seeker, yes this is the kind of websites i have research, aldo for me the top symbols you said looks hebrew, don't look like at all to me... i'll continue searching...
thanks for the link!
 
truth seeker said:
Csayeursost - I think I missed this session. Can you please point me to the link where it's at? Thanks!
That one - 2002-05-04 - is one of the "old" ones, and not on the site or forum. There's a "sessions.exe" with the older sessions searchable in the Files section (after joining) of the inactive http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/casschat/

This one can also be found here:
_http://web.archive.org/web/20030422233143/http://www.cassiopaea.org/sessions/020504.html
 
Well yeah I got one question. Its clear and simple:

How many people on earth did this so called transmutation after 'the fall' happened.

I got a figure but I am not sure these got anything to do with each other, to Quote Gurdjieff:


Any evolution of humanity can take place only through the evolution of a group of conscious people. If there were 200 conscious people, they could change life on earth. There may not be enough people in the group , or they may not wish to effect change, or it may not be the right time to effect change for humanity. We on the outer circle of humanity cannot know about these people until we become like them. They have:

attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I', all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will.

And that's all folks. Is it crucial to learn a lesson which this question well I don't really see how, but maybe it is its just that i am curious above all. All the important questions I had, there already are answered. The way I see it I have just have to be busy doing the work, trying to figure out my machine.

before emailing my question. I was interested what you guys think about it. Anyway here it is.
 
bjorn said:
Well yeah I got one question. Its clear and simple:
How many people on earth did this so called transmutation after 'the fall' happened....
Is it crucial to learn a lesson which this question well I don't really see how, but maybe it is its just that i am curious above all....

I'm wondering if you read this post of Laura's earlier in the thread, and to what degree you think that your question respects her request for External Consideration?

Laura said:
I want to make an additional suggestion: I want ALL of you to think about the amount of energy I must expend in engaging with the Cs in order to ask and receive the responses to your questions. In short, a bit of external considering is in order here. With that in mind, make sure your question is clear, concise, that there is sufficient background data included so that I, myself, can decide if I think my energy is well spent on that particular question. Then, make sure that you cannot figure out the answer yourself with some research and thinking. Finally, is the question crucial to understanding our reality here and making it possible for us to learn our lessons HERE.
 
This is a clarification/elaboration of my Reply #56 post.

If you have the time and inclination, I ask that you review/critique this more detailed post and respond as to whether or not you think it is a worthy question to submit to Laura to consider as a question for the C's given the considerations layed out in her post:

Laura said:
I want to make an additional suggestion: I want ALL of you to think about the amount of energy I must expend in engaging with the Cs in order to ask and receive the responses to your questions. In short, a bit of external considering is in order here. With that in mind, make sure your question is clear, concise, that there is sufficient background data included so that I, myself, can decide if I think my energy is well spent on that particular question. Then, make sure that you cannot figure out the answer yourself with some research and thinking. Finally, is the question crucial to understanding our reality here and making it possible for us to learn our lessons HERE.

Then, having done that, one - or several - of you, compile the questions and background data and justifications into a document and send it as an attachment to sott(at)sott.net.

Here is my attempt at clarification and elaboration for the group.

Topic:
Emotional Freedom Techniques as another useful self-help method

Description:
From the main web site _http://www.emofree.com/

Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) is an emotional, needle free version of acupuncture that is based on new discoveries regarding the connection between your body's subtle energies, your emotions, and your health. EFT has been reported successful in thousands of cases covering a huge range of emotional, health and performance issues. It often works where nothing else will.

Question:
Are the EFT techniques a valid method complimentary to the Eiriu-Eolas (E-E) program for self improvement, or should they be avoided? If they are useful, is there some specific guidance you would provide regarding its usage and applicability to different types of problems?

Reason(s) for asking the question:

1) One of the applications of this approach seems to be healing emotional wounds and issues and if it works it could be a beneficial supplement to other techniques we learn.

2) There are many positive results reported by individuals in forums, by practitioners, and then of course there are the “official” testimonials listed on sites pushing the technique. This leads me to think that there is something helpful in this.

3) It would be helpful to know if we should avoid them, sort of like knowing that there is bad Reiki and good Reiki. This is especially helpful for those of us who aren't very familiar with the world of "alternative" therapies.

4) The claims of fraud that I have found don't seem to be backed up with anything substantial in the way of facts, although this doesn't necessarily discount them. There are, however, some arguments that seem to be good common sense when strong skepticism, but some of them are along unfounded FUD (Fear,Uncertainty,Doubt) lines.

5) I have a strong negative introject that I haven't overcome so I tend to believe to many things like this because I don't trust my own judgment. When it gets into the “alternative” realm where things like energy blockages, meridians, etc. are concerned I particularly don't have any understanding upon which to base a judgment even if I had the self-confidence. I disclose that I feel selfish for asking this question -- maybe because it is something I got excited about and wanted an answer to when there doesn't seem to be any interest noted in these forums on the topic and I can't seem to discern for myself.

6) The instructions are free and there are numerous on-line videos as well (although you can buy training DVD's etc. of course) so it doesn't seem to be an obvious bait-and-switch thing.

Background/Research:
I have searched for studies done on EFT, as well as reports of fraud, bad or no results, etc. and have found that there are people that report deriving no benefit, that there seems to be many more people reporting benefit, and there are the detractors most of which blast in a quackwatch style or worse. I also searched the forms for the keyword “EFT” and found both endorsement and an accusation of pseudoscience. I won't reproduce the forums links here unless requested because they come up easily in the search function.

First of all, here is a site that summarizes some current research done on EFT:

_http://www.thrivingnow.com/for/Health/summary-of-eft-research/

The above site generally gives a positive impression of the results of EFT research. I found the full text of one of the studies referenced (Assessment of the Emotional Freedom Technique: An Alternative Treatment for Fear) online at _http://www.srmhp.org/0201/emotional-freedom-technique.html and went through it in detail to find that the thrivingnow.com summary page slightly biases the “positiveness” of the results from that research in that it doesn't report that the people conducting the study think that tapping on the meridians vs tapping anywhere makes any difference.

As a side note, the author of the thrivingnow.com article states that it is a summary of the content of _http://www.eftupdate.com/ResearchonEFT.html but the wierdness comes that I can access other pages on the eftupdate site just fine, but when I try to pull that particular page it just repeatedly times out.

Also the following page also lists some research done on EFT in which the results appear positive:

_http://www.energypsych.com/Content/readings-num7.htm

Now on the opposing side of the argument, it seems very suspicious that it reports to help alleviate so many different types of issues from emotional to physical maladies. This page holds a discussion asking the question of whether or not it is a scam, and the overall interaction and loyalties seem to represent what I've seen on a couple of other sites with the same question:

_http://eftcommunity.emofree.com/forums/t/2351.aspx

On this page (_http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoiM2sVsmd714LngjXBmI19IzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20071006051951AAZpcmf) there is a strong skeptic posting which I'll reproduce here because it does make clear points about why this seems like another new agey gimick of fancy words and juju energy:

Oh, lord. That site is so full of the obvious signs of shallow pseudoscience that no remotely critical thinker could miss them. From the site:
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"Based on impressive new discoveries regarding the body's subtle energies, Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) has proven successful in thousands of clinical cases. It applies to just about every emotional, health and performance issue you can name and it often works where nothing else will.

For proof, here is a sampling of our actual cases. They are written for you by everyday citizens, physicians and therapists".
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Strike one: "Based on impressive new discoveries"
Um, impressive new undocumented discoveries, huh?

Strike two: "regarding the body's subtle energies"
"Energies" typically means "we claim you can't measure this, which gets us off the hook with respect to testing".

Strike three: "Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT)"
Fancy title, acronym = sales pitch, not science.

Strike four: "has proven successful in thousands of clinical cases"
That means "we're aiming this at people who think that 'clinical cases' trump actual testing". The plural of anecdote is not data.

Strike five: "It applies to just about every emotional, health and performance issue you can name"
This claim is a sure sign of BS.

Strike six: "and it often works where nothing else will".
In short, we're targeting people who are desperate enough to believe anything.

Strike seven: "For proof, here is a sampling of our actual cases"
...and we're too stupid to realize that testimonials don't mean anything.

Strike eight: "They are written for you by everyday citizens,"
Appeal to the common man.

Strike nine: "physicians and therapists".
Appeal to authority.

They've already struck out the side, and I'm only through three sentences.

Finally, the following site, in the spirit of quackwatch, also makes a decent case against:

_http://www.skepdic.com/eft.html

I wasn't sure if I should post the contents of the pages above or just the links so I opted for links unless requested otherwise. If it would be better if I post the content along with the links, then I will be happy to edit this post and do so.

Thanks.
 
This posting is not a question for the C's, but rather it is a comment about the frame of mind when one thinks of asking questions of the Cs' via Laura and the group.

Disclaimer: I feel silly, being a newbie and all, and posting this. Also, this is not directed to anyone in particular.

However this idea sort of keeps going through my mind when I look at this thread, so I finally have to post it.

I put in bold below what stands out to me:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave12a.htm said:
As I have already written, there are many things we have learned, and not just from being "informed," but by having a suggestion given to us, which we then observed, experimented with, and developed more fully on our own. And, this is one of the keys to the Cassiopaean's: they don't just "hand it out." As I have noted before, they give "clues," but not roadmaps. Their position is that if we don't DO something, work for it as it were, it is useless like candy: empty calories. And, clearly, this approach is designed to make the practice of "channelling" unnecessary and obsolete. We will, eventually, "become" them. Repeatedly they tell us that "leading us by the hand" is detrimental; they have laid the groundwork, given us the boost because we ASKED (and did so repeatedly, consistently, and with dedication for over two years before the contact initiated), but that the real purpose is to get us to learn to walk on our own, aware, protected and free of fear and ignorance. Hopefully, I will be able to convey this to the reader as well. It has taken many words and hundreds of pages to get us to this point, to the moment that we "ask the question," and I would like to devote an equal amount of space to building the foundation for the answer.

Subtle answers that require effort to dissect promote intensified learning. Learning is an exploration followed by the affirmation of knowing through discovery. Learning is necessary for progress of soul... this is how you are building your power center... Patience serves the questor of hidden knowledge... Search your "files." ...Learning is sometimes best accomplished by study and exploration... There are other clues that you can discover by your own study... [Cassiopaeans]

This is going to become an important point, this "building your power center," so hang on to that idea.

Ok, so Laura is talking mainly about the way the C's answer questions in the quote above. They answer in way so that we still do work for soul growth. However what thought keeps coming back to me is what is the work we might do on our own BEFORE asking a question of the C's?

I know, there may be little we can do in some areas, and we might just need a hint to get us on the right track. The C's are more than happy to provide those hints, it seems.

But then - what is the work we will do AFTER asking the question?

Are we going to go somewhere with the information? Will it add in a significant way to pushing back the veil of illusions and help yourself and the group achieve more objectivity? Will it be something that enables you to "build your power center"?

Or is it just idle curiosity? Don't get me wrong, I think we can be forgiven for a natural awakening hunger to be curious when you think of the tons of hard to get information about our reality that we have gotten by no more effort than READING this web site.

I dunno, but this thought, this goal of "soul growth", learning to "use our mind" - to build our "power center", makes me pause before posting a question. However I don't want to be unnecessarily discouraging to anyone. In fact, I probably am little inhibited by my own personality hangups here to a certain degree.

But anyways, please carry on, there are some very good ideas here. I only wish I could be more available to help the group out in the ways Laura has asked. :(
_Breton_
 
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