RichardDolan said:These comments are indeed ill-informed.
Well, Richard, also ill-informed are all comments about disclosure before the disclosure ;)
RichardDolan said:These comments are indeed ill-informed.
SeekinTruth said:Well, I got the feeling from Richard's posts that he seemed a bit insulted by this discussion, as if we are questioning his integrity in a different way than the spirit in which the comments were made. The fact of the matter is when one Works on oneself in a co-linear network such as this we come to accept with our whole being that we have many contradictory little "I's," many mechanical programs, that we are NOT in fact one, but many -- fragmented.
What many of us are certain about is that without conscious super-efforts and the benefit of a network of sincere people completely dedicated to pursuing the Truth wherever that leads, no individual has a chance against the formidable adversaries we are up against. What a network such as this provides is a 360 degree view of ourselves and our environment. The level of seeing things objectively -- as they are, not as we think them or wish them to be -- through the network CANNOT be compared to the level of seeing objectively of any one individual by a long shot.
As the C's have said (paraphrasing), no single individual in 3rd Density has the Being to stand against the 4th Density controllers. You simply CANNOT underestimate the power imbalance. It is analogous to rats or other animals in a lab experiment conducted by humans. The experiment animals simply have no chance in the setup without a completely objective understanding of their position. And even then the odds are stacked against them.
In the case of humans and the 4D STS, the situation is just a bit more hopeful, but only if we Work in the proven ways we know of. I hope Richard will realize, if not now, at least at some later time that we all respect and appreciate his work, the greatly valuable efforts he has contributed to uncovering and sharing the Truth. But BECAUSE of his past work, these immensely powerful adversaries will pull out all stops to distract, derail, diffuse, vector those who are engaged in such efforts.
A really good case in point is what Laura has been mentioning. The historical and geological records, as well as what has been apparent in the last several years, all point to the greatest threat among many related threats facing us comes from swarms of comets. This has, is and will continue to be covered up. Heck, in 2009 the Pentagon began to classify the data from their satelites so that scientist would not have access to the data to further cover up the intensifying fireballs and explosions in our skies. We need to look at all the evidence pointing to this fact without flinching because this is the objective reality we face. If we DON'T face it and change our outlook, priorities, values, and strategies, what chance do we have for a positive outcome?
Laura said:What the Cs have taught us, urged us, exampled for us, is that ONLY a network can do anything. And we aren't even 100% sure what we can do. Not just a network, but a specific kind of network: an esoteric circle in Gurdjieff's terms.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Skipling said:If more people take an interest in the expanded subject matter then any forms of creative work should now be considered a good little mission. :)
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Creative types who are on this forum must trip out on the creative possibilities for active protest art that our shared discoveries about planet earth have brought to us. It is both chilling and emboldening. Just like when I found this site in 2003 and read those early transcript lines about how we eat animals and aliens eat us. Now, can Dolan with this new piece of art, which a novel is, go right to the heart of the problem? That is the problem facing art now. We would all like it to go further, the msm all makes us wanna puke. That's a given. We cling to anything that breaks that is even halfway decent. So we need to create some kind of art movement I reckon. Smiley
Bud said:Hmmm. I get the impression that with the right kind of content and presentation, the current media stuff can look so vacuous by comparison that we might start a new Renaissance period!
ark said:It often happens in our life that we are being offered a choice between "making an impact" and "staying on the way of the truth". The decision is hard. Our thinking tends to be: "what's that point of searching for the truth" if progress, if any at all, is so hard and so slow, and when we are not making any real impact? So, we choose the impact way. If that is only a temporary "tactic", it may still work. But the history tells us that once we are successful with one impact, we will be looking for the next one - that will come easier. Until we ourselves become an object of another impact - from outside. We will seek for all kinds of excuses - except for those in our own choices.
Skipling said:Real food for thought there ark, thanks. :)
This brings us back to the problem of the Secret State and its agenda. Some people believe that this secrecy is absolutely essential. They say that the public simply could not handle the truth about aliens. They say that there is no reason to spoil people's lives with the truth because there is nothing that the average person could do about it anyway. Is that really true? Would there be so much effort to conceal the alien agenda if disclosure of the truth wasn't harmful to that agenda?
What is clearly evident, and most especially so in the past year or two, is that the "public interest" is NOT the concern of those making these decisions. As Dolan rightly says, secrecy is being utilized NOT to protect the public, but to protect those keeping the secrets - the "Above Top Secret" group - and very likely even the aliens themselves. When we consider the modus operandi of the intelligence community, in its historical perspective, what we see is that, at every level, right up to the very top, there is control and manipulation. This leads me to suggest that even those at the top level of the human Consortium are being duped and deceived and are as unable and/or unwilling to consider that possibility as those at the lower levels.
It seems obvious from the documentary evidence as well as the behavior of the military in response to UFOs and the "alien matter," that the aliens DO have an agenda, and that - at some level in the layers of secrecy - there are those who KNOW - at least on a "need to know" basis - what that agenda is. It seems abundantly evident that the secrecy has been enjoined on this group BY the aliens themselves. What is more, a careful assessment of the evidence does NOT suggest a benevolent agenda.
As a result of the manipulations of this "Consortium," the majority of Americans are inculcated into the fiction of a representative government - a democracy - and that our scientists and representatives are "taking care of business" for us, and even if they are sometimes corrupt, they aren't as bad as a totalitarian regime. It has become most definitely obvious in the past couple of years that this is NOT the case - and probably never was. We don't even really elect our representatives. It's all a sham. But the fiction propagated by the media has clouded the ability of the American people to see their society and government for what it really is: an oligarchy that pretends to be a democracy to placate and deceive the public.
To those who suggest that it doesn't really matter since it is an efficient way to organize and manage millions of people, let us suggest that it is suicidal to think that an oligarchy is not primarily interested in maintaining its own position to the exclusion of all other considerations. When we consider the evidence, we see that the groups in question have NEVER acted in the best interests of the public. If you doubt this, spend some time reading about nonconsensual human experimentation. And so, logically speaking, there is NO reason to even suggest that the secrecy surrounding the "alien reality" is any different.
Dolan notes that, as a result of the concerted "debunking" of UFOs perpetrated on a populace that has been mind manipulated and dumbed down by public "education" for a very long time, our society has become extraordinarily schizophrenic about UFOs. At the level of "officialdom," as in academics, mainstream media, government and so forth, UFOs are either ignored or treated as a joke. You won't find UFOs or Aliens - or their repeated invasion of sensitive airspace - discussed on the nightly news. You won't find Ted Koppel analyzing them as a threat to National Security. And this state of affairs is totally bizarre because it is abundantly - overwhelmingly - clear and evident that our military and intelligence organizations consider them to be so important that information about them is classified "Above Top Secret."
However, being classified "Above Top Secret" does not seem to matter to the aliens. They arrogantly do as they please and leave the "clean up" to their human lackeys the same way some media personalities have been reported to destroy hotel rooms, and then have their accountants write checks to cover the damages, while their agents give press releases that deny any such thing ever happened.
This brings us back to the efforts of COINTELPRO. Since the military is in the position of dealing with beings of such arrogance that their checks don't cover the damage they do, the "press releases" are issued in the form of diversion and division. UFOs and the "alien reality" are promoted in ways that simply do not relate to the documentary evidence or the factual data. UFOs and aliens are given cachet in the New Age and metaphysical communities, and groups studying them or "channeling" them are "managed" so that the possibility of exposure of the Truth is completely minimized in the plethora of conflicting, generated "beliefs." At the same time, there are organizations that are set up to operate as "professional debunkers" and disinformation artists. Smoke and mirrors and endless confusion.
What is evident from the documents and statements of those "in on the secret," is that the current "popularity" of aliens and New Age presentations of the subject are the direct result of deliberate infiltration by intelligence personnel who are continually "spinning the wheel" of lies and distortion.
UFOs have national security implications for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that they have involved military and industrial personnel of many nations around the globe. This situation has existed for over fifty years. In fact, a careful study of history shows an intersection between UFOs and the military for hundreds, if not thousands of years! Unauthorized airspace violations continue to occur; attempted interceptions repeatedly take place; and the secrecy orders are more severe now than ever.
We have to ask ourselves why this is so?
If the military organizations are as interested in UFOs and Aliens as we KNOW them to be based on the evidence, and if they are in the DARK about them, as the evidence also suggests, would they not be utilizing the many claimed "alien contacts" among the New Age community as resources IF there was the possibility that such sources really WERE in contact with the "aliens" in and about the planet as they claim?
That the military does not credit the contactees is compelling evidence that they KNOW something about the "contactees" that renders them useless. What seems to be true is that most contactees and channelers are dupes of the military cover-up - victims of COINTELPRO - created to generate the noise that hides the signal of the true Alien Reality.
In short, the majority of claims of channelers, contactees, new age gurus, UFO researchers, and the like, both in books and on the internet, about the "alien reality," is COINTELPRO at its finest.
Take that to the bank.
One thing is clear: the UFO/Alien issue is NOT under the control of the military - or anybody else. But that they continue to debunk and cover it up - in the face of its violations of their own airspace - suggests to us again the analogy of arrogant and powerful Masters of Reality, aided and abetted by their military and intelligence organization servants who, all the while they are obeying the powerful overlords, seek to keep everything quiet while they try desperately to discover the secrets of power so as to arrogate it to themselves. And it seems evident that, in the present time, the game is afoot in the citadels of Power and Secrets. Something is happening and the servants of the alien masters are running scared. They are trying to cement controls, to solidify their power base, because Something Wicked This Way Comes.
Or perhaps even misinterpreted? The C's signal being thought of as being one of the "bad" guys?Laura said:One has to wonder, based on the history of the paranormal and channeling if this massive smoke and mirrors OP wasn't designed for the express purpose of creating so much noise that the signal coming through via the Cs would be drowned out or ignored?
truth seeker said:Or perhaps even misinterpreted? The C's signal being thought of as being one of the "bad" guys?Laura said:One has to wonder, based on the history of the paranormal and channeling if this massive smoke and mirrors OP wasn't designed for the express purpose of creating so much noise that the signal coming through via the Cs would be drowned out or ignored?
We will see, what is clear is that individually it becomes an impossible task, we all get tired once and again of seeing the terror of the situation, or get trapped in new deceiving ideas, or we get carried away by our own selfish purposes, it is a task for a network for a group of open and like minded individuals, ready to hold their hands when necessary.SeekinTruth said:As dire as the situation looks, though, I think what this network is doing still has a pretty good chance of affecting non-linear dynamics so that The Wave can still bring about a positive outcome for the planet and humanity, or at least a considerable portion of humanity.