Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?

Seaniebawn said:
Perceval said:
Seaniebawn said:
Pashalis said:
McCain has a brilliant idea:

US Senator John McCain: Arm Syrian Rebels to shoot down Russian planes!

Just unbelievable.

Did you see Putin's response priceless. :rotfl:


McCain is about as close to a real vampire for sure, but his argument here is probably the only viable option left to the "Russia must be destroyed so we can continue to rule the world" crowd in Washington. Giving MANPADs to "Syrian rebels" is about the only way that the US can do anything to counter Russia's check mate in Syria.

Well when you strip away all the propaganda, Russia is de facto at war with America, check mate indeed, so where does that leave them, are they willing to set fire to the middle east I wouldn't put it past them, this is going to be interesting.

A world leader that tells the truth. God I thought I would never live to see it. It will indeed be interesting to see how it all unfolds. It could be terrifying but maybe this a real turning point.

Mac
 
Pashalis said:
McCain has a brilliant idea:

Just unbelievable.

Hmm, I wonder what his response to the question of what armed forces do to their leaders if or once they loose faith in them? I guess that issue hasn't come up ... so far... ;)
 
Mac said:
A world leader that tells the truth. God I thought I would never live to see it. It will indeed be interesting to see how it all unfolds. It could be terrifying but maybe this a real turning point.

Mac

Yup. And again and again, the Cs hints about the situation are proving correct.
 
Thank you Alkhemst for last week´s video showing the translated version of Putin answering questions from USA journalists. What a brave man this Putin to put it shortly.

I also watched the second translated part of this video in which he pledges right away for the commonsense of the present journalists. When he says "We are not invading anyone. The disdain of our western friends comes from the fact that we are doing just that." couldnt be more right on the spot indeed.

https://youtu.be/BF-6TsqPoQs
 
The video clip is actually from 2011, but it still applies! McCain has only gotten crazier in the past 4 years.

Yeah I seen that in the comments this morning, but like you said still relevant if not more so considering recent events, that guy is a lunatic.
 
Seaniebawn said:
Well when you strip away all the propaganda, Russia is de facto at war with America, check mate indeed, so where does that leave them, are they willing to set fire to the middle east I wouldn't put it past them, this is going to be interesting.

The more I watch Putin, the more I realize they have probably prepared for such a possible outcome.
Something interesting occurred to me when the airstrikes started on ISIS:

http://www.sott.net/article/302911-Sott-Exclusive-Full-unedited-text-of-Vladimir-Putins-interview-with-Charlie-Rose-What-CBS-left-out
CHARLIE ROSE: You believe the United States had something to do with the ousting of Yanukovych, when he had to flee to Russia?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: I know this for sure.

CHARLIE ROSE: How can you know for sure?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: It is very simple. We have thousands of contacts and thousands of connections with people who live in Ukraine. And we know who had meetings, and worked with people who overthrew Viktor Yanukovych, as well as when and where they did it; we know the ways the assistance was provided, we know how much they paid them, we know which territories and countries hosted trainings and how it was done, we know who the instructors were. We know everything. Well, actually, our US partners are not keeping it a secret. They openly admit to providing assistance, training people, and spending a specific amount of money on it. They are naming large sums of money: up to $5 billion; we are talking about billions of dollars here. This is why it is no longer a secret; no one is trying to argue about that.

When they gave the US 1 hour notice to 'get it's assets out', where Russia watching and recording?
That is, do they now know who, where, when, how etc?

I should think Putin and his government have a huge set of documents detailing such things. And should something happen to Putin and/or the US/NATO attack, they may get 'leaked'. I wonder if thats what was brough up at the UN behind closed doors?

Along with that, it's likely Russia has also done the number and (although unwillingly) is prepared to face a full on open war against it.
 
RedFox said:
I should think Putin and his government have a huge set of documents detailing such things. And should something happen to Putin and/or the US/NATO attack, they may get 'leaked'. I wonder if thats what was brough up at the UN behind closed doors?

I think it's very likely and Putin seems to suggest it many times too. Would be leverage to do what he needs to get done, and he seems to be doing it.
 
RedFox said:
Seaniebawn said:
Well when you strip away all the propaganda, Russia is de facto at war with America, check mate indeed, so where does that leave them, are they willing to set fire to the middle east I wouldn't put it past them, this is going to be interesting.

The more I watch Putin, the more I realize they have probably prepared for such a possible outcome.
Something interesting occurred to me when the airstrikes started on ISIS:

http://www.sott.net/article/302911-Sott-Exclusive-Full-unedited-text-of-Vladimir-Putins-interview-with-Charlie-Rose-What-CBS-left-out
CHARLIE ROSE: You believe the United States had something to do with the ousting of Yanukovych, when he had to flee to Russia?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: I know this for sure.

CHARLIE ROSE: How can you know for sure?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: It is very simple. We have thousands of contacts and thousands of connections with people who live in Ukraine. And we know who had meetings, and worked with people who overthrew Viktor Yanukovych, as well as when and where they did it; we know the ways the assistance was provided, we know how much they paid them, we know which territories and countries hosted trainings and how it was done, we know who the instructors were. We know everything. Well, actually, our US partners are not keeping it a secret. They openly admit to providing assistance, training people, and spending a specific amount of money on it. They are naming large sums of money: up to $5 billion; we are talking about billions of dollars here. This is why it is no longer a secret; no one is trying to argue about that.

When they gave the US 1 hour notice to 'get it's assets out', where Russia watching and recording?
That is, do they now know who, where, when, how etc?

I should think Putin and his government have a huge set of documents detailing such things. And should something happen to Putin and/or the US/NATO attack, they may get 'leaked'. I wonder if thats what was brough up at the UN behind closed doors?

Along with that, it's likely Russia has also done the number and (although unwillingly) is prepared to face a full on open war against it.

I'm sure their well aware, I mean all we get is second hand information and watching their actions, I think an Important thing to come about from this situation is that Russia and Putin have been able to unite the countries or at least whats left of them to join a coalition to fight ISIS/Al Nursa blah blah, this is sure to drive them closer together, and all of it above board and in full compliance with the law.

so that leaves Saudis, Isreal and the gulf states and to a lesser extent turkey as it seems they are sitting on the fence, this together with the Palestinian flag being raised at the UN seems to point a sea change in the air, Also when they do wipe out ISIS, these countries will have to be rebuilt, China and Russia seem to be really good at large construction projects, and after what America has done to the Middle East over the last 14 years, If I was them I wouldn't be holding my breath on securing any of those contracts, to the victor go the spoils and all of that, in any case it's a good sign, and to be honest it's going on this long that I really didn't think I'd see the day when something like this would happen.

It's a going to be a long road with many unexpected twists and turns but, it gives hope :)
 
RedFox said:
I should think Putin and his government have a huge set of documents detailing such things. And should something happen to Putin and/or the US/NATO attack, they may get 'leaked'. I wonder if thats what was brough up at the UN behind closed doors?

The Oriental Review guys suggest Ukraine was discussed at that meeting:

http://www.sott.net/article/303215-Putins-global-game-changer-US-to-leave-Ukraine-alone

the US is making profound changes in its attitude to Poroshenko's regime in Ukraine, assembling a reserve set of "politicians" and revoking its green light for military action by Kiev against the rebels. [...]

The very next day [after the Obama-Putin meeting] in Minsk, Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Leonid Kuchma confirmed that weapons of a caliber less than 100 mm would be pulled back 15 km behind the front line, which actually signifies an end to hostilities. For the preceding seven months no one had been able to reach an agreement on this point. At the same time, Kiev admitted that it had committed war crimes in the Donbass: several stories on this topic appeared over the course of a single day in the Ukrainian media, from the admission that Oles Buzina had been killed by commandos from a special forces unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to an acknowledgment of crimes committed by "territorial" battalions. Obviously this would not have happened without an order from the American embassy.

Things do seem to be moving in the Donbass:

Tanks withdrawing from contact line in Lugansk People’s Republic
http://www.rt.com/news/317526-lugansk-tanks-withdrawal-donbass/
 
I like Fars News play on the word "serious."

Getting Syrious: Russia Begins Anti-Terror Op
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940709001047

“Taken aback" by Moscow’s actions, US officials have slammed the move. This is confusing, as Russia has even suggested the two should coordinate in fighting ISIL - something the US has rejected doing.

* Moscow is not confusing the anti-terror op with support for the Syrian government. It is hitting ISIL and al-Qaeda affiliated targets to support the Syrian government. President Putin made it plain in his UN speech that he would act to defend President Assad from the various militias aligned against him.

Instead of coming up with accusations, the “Assad must go” gang should work with Russia and Iran to form an international coalition under the auspices of a new UN resolution, which would give legal sanction to a joint military campaign against ALL terrorist groups and proxies. It’s the only way to prove they really are “Syrious” about fighting terror and finding a diplomatic settlement to the crisis.
 
Mac said:
A world leader that tells the truth. God I thought I would never live to see it. It will indeed be interesting to see how it all unfolds. It could be terrifying but maybe this a real turning point.

I think a few of us share your feelings, Mac. I for one, have the impression that something shifted with Putin's speech at the UN and his move in Syria. It's as if this marked the end of the age of US hegemony, and the beginning of the multipolar world that Putin has been arguing for, with Russia showing the way. Maybe I'm wishful thinking and being a bit sentimental, but this gives me hope. It even occurred to me that the super lunar eclipse was symbolic of this.

My concern now is that the NATO psychos know they have been out-manouvered, and psychos as they are, they will pull something ugly out of their bag of dirty tricks.
 
This whole thing reminds me of a discussion with Cs back in 2003; reading this sure brought back memories. We sure didn't know what a long and painful road was ahead for the world and for us. Heck, we hadn't even left for France yet. The important part is at the end, but the discussion sets it up... like a whole synopsis of the last 12 years...

18 January 2003 said:
Q: (A) I want to ask about the collapse of the World Trade Center. There is evidence of seismicity and unusual pulses that seem to have simply disintegrated matter.

A: Very good observation, but that does not mean human sabotage either. There were certainly "pulses." They were of a "natural" source that was "sculpted" or "shaped" and directed.

Q: What do you mean by a 'natural source?'

A: Energies of the planet artificially collected and disbursed. An artificial earthquake sort of.

Q: But we are still talking about technology. Where is the operational center for this type of thing?

A: 4th density technology.

Q: This we know. But there are human brain involved. What brains are behind this?

A: Did you ever wonder why the pentagon is a pentagon? Hint!

Q: Is that why they specifically included the Pentagon as one of the buildings to be hit in the 9-11 attack; to allay suspicions?

A: Yup!

Q: Are there 4th density sections to the Pentagon?

A: Absolutely. It is a "deep cover" kind of place.

Q: (A) There is this Pentagon, then there is another superpower - Russia - and still another - China...

A: There is only one. The U.S. just happens to be the center.

Q: (A) Well. (L) Maybe the heads of these other countries are all like George Bush. They don't know why they do what they do. It's all been scripted from somewhere else.

(A) Question is: there is Europe - how can France or Russia or whoever, win against this kind of technology? Apparently, since there is only one center, and this center of technology is the U.S, it seems pretty hopeless.

A: Remember Perseus and David and Goliath. Besides, help is drawing near.

Q: (A) Help. (L) Sometimes I have the feeling that when they say "help is drawing near," it really means that that our "future" is getting closer and we are going to be the ones doing the helping! [Laughter.]

A: Close, but not all.

Q: (A) That means there are surprises waiting for us. (L) I think that people concentrating on the anti-war thing is a waste of time. I think they ought to be concentrating on the "impeach Bush" issue. But then, what good would it do to impeach Bush. Same thing would have happened with Gore. Until people wake up to the reality of 4th density manipulation, we are all in deep doo doo.

A: True.

Q: (L) I guess they are all gonna gather together there on the battlefield and when they are all there, something is gonna happen to scare the bayjeezus out of them...

A: Maybe...

Q: (A) The point is, that people have no choice. They are backed into a corner. The only thing they can do now is just impeach Bush. If they don't do that, there is nothing else they can do. Because if they don't do anything, they will bear the blame for doing nothing - the same way Germany did after Hitler. All the signs are here now: it is exactly like it was in 1939 in Europe.

(L) Well, anything we do, we cannot anticipate the outcome. We can't even know if it will be helpful. We just have to do what is right from one moment to the next based on what we know using our best efforts. For all we know, if we keep pushing the "impeach Bush" issue, we may end up in jail as "enemy combatants."

(A) What did we learn? That there is this help on the way. We know that we cannot quit working. We are helping the help, so to say.

(L) Well, I wrote to some people pointing out that the anti-war stance is only more divisiveness. There are people who are for the war to support Bush, and there are people who are against the war who don't support Bush. It is a question of supporting Bush. Everybody agrees that Saddam is a stinker, but they can't agree on whether how Bush is handling the matter is appropriate or not. They forget that what is happening here is that they are all being put into an oppositional stance against each other, and Bush, himself, is coming out on top clean. If they would concentrate on the REAL issues: that Bush is a liar, that he is not even our legal president, that he stole the election by nefarious means, that he is a criminal from a criminal family, making it clear and plain with facts and massive media coverage about who and what Bush really is, then the whole issue would be focused where it belongs: on Bush and the Consortium that has put him in power to serve its agenda. But, instead of concentrating on the problem - of which Bush is only the representative, the real issue being the Consortium - people are not seeing that the whole situation is being manipulated for the benefit of the Industrial-Military Complex just as Eisenhower foresaw. Bush is only the puppet for this Consortium. If that could be seen as the real danger that it is, if they could impeach Bush - who is their creature - and get somebody into the presidency who was uncorruptible, who could kick butt and take names like Kennedy tried to do. Well, we have learned. Kennedy didn't take the danger as seriously as he should have. If he had, maybe he could have carried through what he wanted to do: disband the CIA, tie the hands of the military, make things more equitable for the common people, enhance civil rights and civil liberties. If we could get somebody in the White House who was smart enough to not get assassinated, and who was clean and not tied up with the consortium, things really COULD change.

(A) The problem is only in America. If America would just stand down, Saddam would be dealt with appropriately. Nobody likes the guy. He doesn't have anything. He is no danger to anybody. But Bush is a danger to the whole planet. He has created this crisis and the whole world has gone to hell in just a few months.

(L) And the reason he is able to do what he is doing - which is basically that he is going to destroy the whole damn planet - is because of the media. The media is controlled by the Jews who have only one agenda: to own all of Palestine and revenge. And so, they dangle carrots for Bush to follow without even knowing that they are signing their own death warrant. They are following the script of the Consortium which wants, above all other things, to see all Semitic peoples destroyed, and their hubris won't even allow them to see it. For that reason, the Jews have helped George Bush plunge the entire world into chaos. And they will wonder why, at the last moment, everyone hates them just as Americans will wonder why they are the most hated nation on Earth. Blind hubris.

(A) Well, there is this Game Theory, and they are employing it to the max. They are playing a game. They know where the buttons need to be pushed, to steer the delicate equilibrium where they want it. No one in the world of politics is clean. No one. They are all dirty, and if you know all the dirt, you can do what you want. As much as it seems to be a horrible thing to lay at the door of the Jews, that's where it ends up of its own. You can't help it. You follow the threads, and that's where they take you: the Zionists.

(A) So, if something comes along that destroys their game theory...the whole operation will collapse. Game theory is based on data.

(L) It's like Vincent Bridges. His whole game was based on pushing our buttons, trying to blackmail us, saying things like "I'll tell the whole sordid story." Well, guess what? I'll tell it first! I'm not perfect and I have certainly made mistakes. But nobody is going to use it to control me. If other people could do that, if they could get over their fear of being judged for making mistakes, there would be nothing that anyone could hold over their head anymore.

(A) Okay, there is Bush and his Skull and Bones. And then, there is the Illuminati. And they are looking for something. So, probably somebody behind Bush is also looking for something. So, the only way for us to help, is to work on this project. And then, hopefully, these people will halt this mass destruction hoping they will get what they are after: grail or whatever. Because if they destroy the world, they will get nothing.

(L) And then meanwhile, there is the North Korean guy - the mirror image of George Bush; everything he says and does is modeled from George Bush. It is actually comical to watch them. "I'm going to blow up the world!" "No you're not, I'm going to blow it up first! I'm going to turn America into a sea of fire." And Bush is saying "I'm going to bomb Iraq back to the stone age." "No you're not! We're going to bomb YOU back to before the Stone Age!" They are like two identical characters! Crazy! We are in a hell of a mess. Any comments?

A: The situation looks bleak indeed. But remember the Achilles heel of STS: Wishful Thinking.

Q: In this case, how is wishful thinking going to help?

A: There will be a big miscalculation made. It will reveal the "Man behind the curtain."

Q: So, we just keep doing what we are doing. And just like Bridges, they will make a mistake and reveal themselves for what they are. Is there anything else we need to know that we haven't asked?

A: Just keep on the path. You are doing well! Goodbye.

That was 12 long years ago.
 
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