Russian Passenger Plane Crashes Over Egypt

mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event. I've doubted that the US would create an overt terror attack against Russia because they wouldn't want to garner sympathy or more support towards Russia in their fight against terrorism. A manufactured 'accident' as a warning would make sense from their perspective, but so far the details of the crash are a bit befuddling.
 
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

Electrical failure possibly, maybe due that super-charged vortex phenomenon reported in the session. The lizzies could have taken advantage of this accident and rushed there to have a feast, before [letting] the plane fall and disintegrate to conveniently erase evidence of their actions. It could have been a 4thD STS 'balancing act' - they thought they can get away with their feast - in answer to recent events in Syria.
 
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

This, combined with associated asteroid/bolide passes further complicates the issue. It is probably worthy of a question to the C's.
It is interesting that the wreckage was strewn over about 20km, so there must have been an incident while it was high up that separated all the pieces of debris.
 
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event. I've doubted that the US would create an overt terror attack against Russia because they wouldn't want to garner sympathy or more support towards Russia in their fight against terrorism. A manufactured 'accident' as a warning would make sense from their perspective, but so far the details of the crash are a bit befuddling.

Yeah, I see what you guys mean, it is confusing. Then again, during this time there was quite some cometary activity going on in the skies. Perhaps this plane was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. And maybe (areas close to) warzones are more prone to 'attract' certain natural events.
 
Oxajil said:
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event. I've doubted that the US would create an overt terror attack against Russia because they wouldn't want to garner sympathy or more support towards Russia in their fight against terrorism. A manufactured 'accident' as a warning would make sense from their perspective, but so far the details of the crash are a bit befuddling.

Yeah, I see what you guys mean, it is confusing. Then again, during this time there was quite some cometary activity going on in the skies. Perhaps this plane was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. And maybe (areas close to) warzones are more prone to 'attract' certain natural events.

It somehow doesn't seem so to me (bolded part).
I've been wondering also why Chelyabinsk since it's in Russia and no war there (or war game/agenda as far as we known about it), in addition to Tunguska in 1912 which is basically in the middle of nowhere (and also in Russia). Also, taking historic records into account, that I know of on top of my head, it doesn't really seem very likely that places of "physical" disturbance on Earth "attract" space rocks/comets. It's more like wars and disturbance come as a result of a space visit. Besides, the Cs once said that comets/rocks visit those areas where there is pronounced "orthogonality" to truth and objective reality, while war zones don't seem like that to me (too much suffering and preoccupation with mere surviving for "orthogonality" to be mass imposed).

Just my 2 cents.

Added: It's like the war zones send specific signal to Universe: "It's so much suffering here, we need no more." And the Universe listens...
 
Saša said:
Oxajil said:
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event. I've doubted that the US would create an overt terror attack against Russia because they wouldn't want to garner sympathy or more support towards Russia in their fight against terrorism. A manufactured 'accident' as a warning would make sense from their perspective, but so far the details of the crash are a bit befuddling.

Yeah, I see what you guys mean, it is confusing. Then again, during this time there was quite some cometary activity going on in the skies. Perhaps this plane was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. And maybe (areas close to) warzones are more prone to 'attract' certain natural events.

It somehow doesn't seem so to me (bolded part).
I've been wondering also why Chelyabinsk since it's in Russia and no war there (or war game/agenda as far as we known about it), in addition to Tunguska in 1912 which is basically in the middle of nowhere (and also in Russia). Also, taking historic records into account, that I know of on top of my head, it doesn't really seem very likely that places of "physical" disturbance on Earth "attract" space rocks/comets. It's more like wars and disturbance come as a result of a space visit. Besides, the Cs once said that comets/rocks visit those areas where there is pronounced "orthogonality" to truth and objective reality, while war zones don't seem like that to me (too much suffering and preoccupation with mere surviving for "orthogonality" to be mass imposed).

Just my 2 cents.

Added: It's like the war zones send specific signal to Universe: "It's so much suffering here, we need no more." And the Universe listens...



I have wondered that as well. What is the gravity of this area its history?

ScienceDirect

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090997713000540
Gravity observations at Sinai Peninsula and its geophysical and geodetic applications
4. Methodology
The main objective of the current research is to delineate local and regional geologic subsurface structure and its relation to the tectonic and geodynamic behaviors of the selected region. Three data sets have been used for the current objective. Terrestrial gravity observation has been dedicated to detect local gravity anomaly. Meanwhile, satellite altimetry data have been used to detect the marine regional gravity anomaly. Mass redistribution attributed to the tectonic setting of Sinai has been monitored utilizing temporal gravity variation from grace satellite mission.
4.1. Terrestrial gravity observation

Ground-based gravity data precision requires accurate gravity sensor and precise determination of geographical position. On the current research, the Scintrex CG-5 gravimeter was used to collect the gravity measurements. The meter has a range of 200 mGal and a resolution of 1 μGal. Positioning has been carried out using dual frequency GPS.

Gravity observations are made on a grid with 3- to 4 km-spacing between the gravity stations. The grid has been selected to be possible to well cover the selected region. The grid comprises of 950 points and is illustrated in Fig. 5.
Image 4.1
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4.2. Satellite altimetry

In Egypt land and marine geophysical data are inadequate because of rough topography on land and economic reasons of marine observations. The use of satellite altimetry data is of special importance.

The availability of altimeter data from satellite observations, such as data collected by the European Space Agency ERS-1 and data from the US Navy Geosat, has opened new perspectives in the Earth sciences. One of the most important applications of these data is that they provide scientists with an unprecedented view of the Earth’s interior and its gravity field over the marine regions (Sandwell and McAdoo 1990).

The surface of the marine region can be, with some limitations, considered as an equipotential surface of the gravity field, or the so-called geoid surface. The actual geoid surface deviates up to 100 m from the ideal ellipsoid. Deviations of geoid surface obey to a great extent the topography of the marine floor and reflect the tectonic settings and the subsurface structures. Small deviations in the geoid height, which take the form of tiny bumps and dips, can be measured using precise radar mounted on a satellite such as ERS-1 and Geosat.

One of the main applications of collecting gravity data on land is the determination of the geoid height. However, in marine regions the observed geoid can be converted into gravity anomaly or the so-called satellite altimeter gravity. The advantages of this conversion are that it makes it possible to figure out the gravity field over marine regions. In addition, converted gravity anomalies from the precise geoid can enhance the determination of small-scale geological features. The role of satellite altimetry data in geophysics is illustrated in the current study for the Sinai region. These data are evaluated by comparing them with the known tectonic and geologic settings as well as observed land gravity data for the studied region.

On the current study, free air gravity map of Sinai will be used to figure out the gravity anomaly and its relation to its regional tectonic settings.
4.3. Temporal gravity variation (Grace)

Temporal gravity variation was computed from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) of Sinai to determine important mass redistribution zones and shed more light on its geodynamics pattern in relation to its seismological activities.

Gravity field variations as derived from the monthly GRACE solutions result from the integral effect of mass variations in the atmosphere, hydrosphere and geosphere. These effects include oceanic, atmospheric and hydrological mass movements and those caused by dynamics in Earth’s interior. In addition, residual signals from insufficient pre-processing may be present.

Geodynamic processes such as changes in Earth’s topography or mass distribution as a result of lithospheric plate interactions (collision, subduction, rifting), postglacial rebound, mantle convection, earthquakes, sedimentation and erosion, should also contribute to temporal variations of the Earth gravity field.

Several studies have been devoted to quantitative estimates of the contribution of regional geodynamic processes to temporal variations of Earth’s gravity field. Velicogna and Wahr, 2002 addressed the effect of postglacial rebound and the possibility of recovering mantle viscosity profiles using satellite data, and concluded that GRACE data could significantly contribute to solve this problem. In a very recent paper, Sun and Okubo, 2004 compared the GRACE target accuracy to degree amplitude spectra for co-seismic deformations resulting from the 1964 and 2002 Alaska, and 2003 Hokkaido earthquakes. They concluded that co-seismic deformations for an earthquake with a seismic magnitude above 7.5 could be detected by GRACE.

The main objective of this study is to estimate any mass variations attributed to the active tectonics in and around Sinai Peninsula from the GRACE data.
5. Results


5.1. Terrestrial gravity data
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Adjustment of gravity observations has been carried out using Geosoft (Oasis montaj, 1998). The resulted Bouguer anomaly map of the studied region is given in Fig. 6. The most remarkable gravity anomaly of the region is seen as a high gravity anomaly of the order of about 854 mGal in the southern and central parts, and has a minimum of about 768 mGal in the Western and Eastern parts of the study area. Central high gravity anomaly can be due to the dense basement section attributed to the El-Tih Plateau.

The boundary tectonic elements, Gulf of Aqaba on the east and Gulf of Suez on the west can be seen as significant low gravity anomaly. These negative anomalies estimate the extension of Sinai along these tectonic zones.

The triple junction of the Red sea is represent by high gravity anomaly explains the elongation of the Red sea.

The general trends of the field are NW-SE and NE-SW and in addition E-W trend. Also, most of the steep gradients have alternating negative and positive anomalies at the north eastern and south western parts of the map, respectively. This indicates that the area is structurally controlled by tectonics having major axis in the NW-SE and NE-SW directions and the Syrian Arc structure influence on the gravitational field trend in E-W direction. The south western part has anomalies with definite polarities and is characterized by irregular contouring pattern, with negative value, different sizes and shapes and from moderate to high gradients, while the central part has high positive value with different sizes and shapes and high gradients. On the other hand, the north eastern part of map reveals steep gradients has alternating negative and positive anomalies. The source of the anomaly may be due to an uplifted block of the denser crystalline rocks.

Skipping down


5.2. Satellite altimetry data

Figure 9. Free-air gravity map of Sinai Area.
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The free air gravity anomaly map of Sinai (Fig. 9) is generally characterized by negative free air gravity anomalies, with average values of about 0 to −26 mGal in the land margin areas and a consistent gravity low from −28 to −35 mGal of the axial depression. A Y-shaped region of very low values of a minimum −183 mGal is found near the junction of the Red Sea with the Suez and Aqaba Gulfs.

•The main obtained gravity features at the satellite free air gravity map correlate well with regional feature of ground-based gravity observed map. This means that, the dominant gravity source is a regional feature rather than local structure on the area.
•Ground-based gravity observed map evaluates well satellite-based map.
•The general tectonic pattern of the Gulf of Suez can be seen as two different gravity anomalies. This indicates that, the Gulf of Suez was separated into two zones of different geodynamic behaviors.
•Triple junction consists of complicated gravity sources; represent the multiple tectonic features’ effect on the area.
•The transform dead sea fault can be seen as negative anomaly with a rotation altitude explains the relative movement between African and Arabian plates.
•Gulf of Suez shows less gravity anomaly than Gulf of Aqaba, reflecting its les activities. However, Gulf of Suez shows more complicated tectonics.
• Regional gravity patterns of Sinai appears as positive gravity anomaly in the eastern part represented in the Arabian plate, African plate to the west and Eurasian plate to the north.

More @ the link above

Sinai

michael steinbacher
Published on May 4, 2015

 
Just read the Sott Focus about the crash and I don't think the possibility of Consortium action and C's transcript about one of the space shuttles has been mentioned in this thread.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21617.msg257214.html#msg257214

Q: One of the first questions we want to ask tonight is about the event of the Space Shuttle that was lost. First, was it an explosion, or was it just disintegration, or breaking up?

A: It was a "direct hit."

Q: A direct hit by what?

A: EM pulse.

Q: (S) What was the source of the EM pulse?

A: 3/4th density Consortium.

What wouldn't seem to fit this most recent crash and possible EM pulse is the climb up before the rapid decent.

he Egyptian Civilian Aviation Ministry issued a statement indicating the flight was at an altitude of 31,000 ft when it disappeared from radar screens after a steep descent of 5,000 ft. Flightradar24's last data from the aircraft shows it climb to 33,500 ft at 465 mph before suddenly descending, within one minute, to 28,375 ft at 71 mph, after which its position was no longer tracked. Since the track of the plane is recorded in 1-minute segments, it is unknown if the plane descended these 5,125ft in one minute exactly (94 km/h), or a percentage of one minute.

Other pieces do seem to fit EM pulse, such as break up in mid flight at high altitude. Could be natural causes, such as the extreme microburst mentioned in the article happened. But that would seem to have to be one crazy microburst to basically disintegrate the flight at top altitude.
 
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event.

There has been reference made in sessions to "information" being key in terms of the provenance of space rocks. The Middle East is pretty packed with information right now.
 
Bear said:
Other pieces do seem to fit EM pulse, such as break up in mid flight at high altitude. Could be natural causes, such as the extreme microburst mentioned in the article happened. But that would seem to have to be one crazy microburst to basically disintegrate the flight at top altitude.

I'd thought about that angle but since it's rather speculative didn't want to mention it. An EMP from a drone or some land based device is also possible. The only scenario I can think of where this would make sense would be in the context of a silent covert message being sent to Putin. Then again, I'm not sure he'd be intimidated by such an maneuver. We saw with MH17 that when these "types" act against Putin, they tend to do it in a way that seeks maximum public attack on him and Russia. In this case, that aspect is completely missing.

At this point, the entirety of the information available suggests to me a "natural" event like what happened to Air Asia or Air Algeria last year.
 
FYI

There are no traces of explosives on the plane parts examined by specialists, a source in Cairo told RIA Novosti.

All bodies have still not been found, which makes it really clear that the plane broke up high in the air. It sure would throw the cat among the pigeons if some bodies were never found.
 
Perceval said:
I'd thought about that angle but since it's rather speculative didn't want to mention it. An EMP from a drone or some land based device is also possible. The only scenario I can think of where this would make sense would be in the context of a silent covert message being sent to Putin. Then again, I'm not sure he'd be intimidated by such an maneuver. We saw with MH17 that when these "types" act against Putin, they tend to do it in a way that seeks maximum public attack on him and Russia. In this case, that aspect is completely missing.

At this point, the entirety of the information available suggests to me a "natural" event like what happened to Air Asia or Air Algeria last year.

Two thoughts. If it was an EMP, then the silence and not trying to publicly attack Putin could be due to his and Russia's change in tactic and offensive maneuvers in Syria. So as Russia has changed tactics and upped the ante, the secret government is changing tactics. Also, it could be that a different higher level of STS is getting involved. Going from how it seems they brought down MH17 over Ukraine to possibly using an EMP seems like it is a step up. OSIT

(edit added: If it was an EMP, the twisted mind of the entrenched STS could have reasoned that MH17 didn't work, so lets hit Putin where it will hurt the most by blatantly killing Russian citizens and see how he and Russia reacts.)

Or EMP is all just speculation and the crash is indicative of the world's weather and the cosmic environment going crazy as you mentioned.
 
Perceval said:
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event.

There has been reference made in sessions to "information" being key in terms of the provenance of space rocks. The Middle East is pretty packed with information right now.

Yeah, I think I was struggling with a type of 'just world bias' and a bit of black and white thinking.

The current evidence doesn't seem to support a deliberate and covert attack. This was actually a lingering thought when I wrote the above, but I was caught up in the other aspects.
 
Perceval said:
Indeed, and a meteor detonation is the 3rd possible scenario. The fact that one flew by the earth about 8hrs before the Russian plane came down is an interesting correlation.

Some type of overhead meteor explosion would cause a tremendous downward force that would likely result in the plane breaking up and falling pretty much straight down. But that doesn't reconcile with the rapid increase in the plane's altitude recorded moments before the crash. It's almost as if some powerful force came up from underneath the plane. Is it possible a bolide exploded at an altitude below the plane and the force of the blast pushed it upwards?
 
Saša said:
Oxajil said:
Renaissance said:
mkrnhr said:
This tragedy is not clear. If it were a terrorist attack (ISIS/US/Israel or other), then the timing and target can be understood. If it were a "natural" event of meteoric or other nature, then the fact that it is a Russian civilian plane, one month after the beginning of Russian intervention in Syria is confusing. Don't know what the odds are but it could be a 4DSTS kind of a tentrum of some sort. OSIT

I agree the timing, the location and that it was a Russian plane creates a strange picture for a natural event. I've doubted that the US would create an overt terror attack against Russia because they wouldn't want to garner sympathy or more support towards Russia in their fight against terrorism. A manufactured 'accident' as a warning would make sense from their perspective, but so far the details of the crash are a bit befuddling.

Yeah, I see what you guys mean, it is confusing. Then again, during this time there was quite some cometary activity going on in the skies. Perhaps this plane was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. And maybe (areas close to) warzones are more prone to 'attract' certain natural events.

It somehow doesn't seem so to me (bolded part).
I've been wondering also why Chelyabinsk since it's in Russia and no war there (or war game/agenda as far as we known about it), in addition to Tunguska in 1912 which is basically in the middle of nowhere (and also in Russia). Also, taking historic records into account, that I know of on top of my head, it doesn't really seem very likely that places of "physical" disturbance on Earth "attract" space rocks/comets. It's more like wars and disturbance come as a result of a space visit. Besides, the Cs once said that comets/rocks visit those areas where there is pronounced "orthogonality" to truth and objective reality, while war zones don't seem like that to me (too much suffering and preoccupation with mere surviving for "orthogonality" to be mass imposed).

Just my 2 cents.

Added: It's like the war zones send specific signal to Universe: "It's so much suffering here, we need no more." And the Universe listens...

Well, I agree with Oxajil. I also think that war zones may serve as "attractors" of various phenomena, including space rocks/comets.

As for Chelyabinsk, keeping in mind that ecologically speaking, it is known as one of the dirtiest industrial city in Russia (or even the dirtiest), it may also serve as an attractor, imo. Pierre's book covers this subject in detail.

Besides, the Ural mountains in general, and Chelyabinsk area in particular, comprise magnetic anomaly, as there are lots of iron-containing and other magnetic rocks there. We've got a whole list of articles on Russian Sott about pretty weird stuff going on around Chelyabinsk.

Also, here's an excerpt from one of the latest sessions, as an example:

Q: (Heimdallr) We wanted to ask about Chelyabinsk: Keit posted on the forum that there was this small area with downed trees. It didn't look like it was caused by an explosion or fire or anything. What was it that caused that?

A: Air burst caused by EM anomaly.

Q: (L) Would that be something like a plasma phenomenon?

A: Yes

Q: (PoB) Is there anything special about the area around Chelyabinsk, because there are many weird things happening there?

A: Magnetic.

Q: (L) Magnetic. It's an attractor.

As for Tunguska, here's also an article about the famous Siberian Traps: prehistoric volcanoes, basically. In the picture below, you can see a map in Russian where salmon-colored area represents the so-called tuffs (volcanic rocks). Volcanic rocks may also serve as attractors, and this is the place where Tunguska impact occured.

67meyr.png


So, I also think that either geomagnetically anomalous regions tend to attract "guests" or the actual war zones, or both. fwiw
 
Timótheos said:
Perceval said:
Indeed, and a meteor detonation is the 3rd possible scenario. The fact that one flew by the earth about 8hrs before the Russian plane came down is an interesting correlation.

Some type of overhead meteor explosion would cause a tremendous downward force that would likely result in the plane breaking up and falling pretty much straight down. But that doesn't reconcile with the rapid increase in the plane's altitude recorded moments before the crash. It's almost as if some powerful force came up from underneath the plane. Is it possible a bolide exploded at an altitude below the plane and the force of the blast pushed it upwards?

That was my thought as well, assuming a meteor caused it, that a fireball exploded below the aircraft thrusting it upwards before falling down, though probably not vertically since it was last recorded flying at a low speed. But if the blast occurred before, would that also explain the fact that the transponder was still working after the blast?
 
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