Russian Passenger Plane Crashes Over Egypt

Keit said:
Just heard a person from the rescue team speaking over Russia 24. He said that the sight is absolutely chilling and many experienced rescuers say that they never saw anything like this. The plane was destroyed into very small pieces over an area of 30 km. There are only a few large pieces left. He also said one curious thing. He said that of course it is only a preliminary assessment, but it doesn't look like there was an explosion or a fire, it just cracked in the tail area first.

First official images from Sinai crash scene emerge
https://www.rt.com/news/320225-plane-crash-russian-egypt/

There was a comment on this picture that RT posted under the heading: "08:34 GMT Watch RT's latest report on Sinai plane crash" that shows a close up of the plane.

".....see the vertical stabilizer has been peeled backwards from the fuselage, yet there are no signs of impact damage to the leading edge. This leaves us with two possibilities. The first is that the aircraft exceeded its normal maximum speed while diving and the vertical stabilizer failed under the excess loads. But what if the vertical stabilizer failed in normal flight? That would throw the aircraft instantly out of control leading to the crash sequence reported. If I were investigating this crash I would be taking a very careful look at the fasteners along that split seam."

The fasteners could have been tampered with or sabotaged to fail in flight?
 
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...many experienced rescuers say that they never saw anything like this

He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft leaves a lot to wish for.

It might be a good idea for flight companies to consider much "pilote gut feelings" before they take off... I mean, these guys have so much direct knowledge of the flight conditions, they spend their time high in the sky, so they must have developped some kind of "special abilities", and are maybe able to grasp straight when there are some, even if unknown, "strange parameters" before taking off?

If a guy gets angry during the departure of the plane, they would stop it, call the police and evacuate the person; I am wondering what leverage does a pilot have if he thinks there is something unusual? He is all alone to follow his instinct, to determine if he is himself confronted to a situation involving manipulation - if he is able to spot "it", whatever form it would take in that moment - And if it happens? And moreover, what, when the pilot have the gut feeling like in the russian case, what would make him think "This is strange" > "Let me not give to much credit to this" > "Let's take off" even tough pilots seems to be very responsible people, need to have specific levels of "knowledge" for becoming a pilot.

There must be the kind of "bad atmosphere" we know when something terrible is going to happen, surrounding the place, something like the "guardian angel teaching about danger". And I think the not only the pilot would have it, but passengers as well. I can understand that in the circumstances of a flight, which is very unusual, most of the people are already stressed out, distracted by all the bleeps and planes around, the modernity of an airport, so many parameters that can distract the holding of a "there is something bad" feeling when it elusively passes by, and quickly disappear.


Today, we are better informed by people who work hard to find the needle in the dump, people who are not paid are doing better findings that those officials who gather to investigate the case, presenting us reports that are sadly "not convincing enough", and sometimes it could even be thought that they are joking, when seeing the kind of things they dare to issue to the public.

At 11:56 Sputnik above noted that a flight recorder was found at the crash site.
at 12.20 Egyptian aviation authority denied that a flight recorder was found.

I really like the "Egyptian aviation authority denied that", because it really shows that in their world, it seems that it does not matter, and that for them, they really think that they can proceed like this, lookking as they were able to overcome what is not "overcomable". Or it is like seeing that in what seems to be a manipulation orchestrated by strong occult people, the small little Egypt does not have the nerves to face the situation when having to assume some responsability, by having to eexpress itself regarding facts and the event, instead of those who really did it, bringing their own "allies" down instead of them.

When McCain is photographied with an al-quaida boss, it is not enough for the people, and they would keep in going against Syria in their minds, wishing the fall of Bachar El Assad. What do we need to do in order for people to stay on the truth (if McCain photo is the truth, and not some sugar thrown for conspiracy building)?

Maybe some years before, "finding something which does not fit" in a plane crash would immediately be reported in the media, along with some kind "will of clarify things out". Maybe it was all theater, or because there weren't the nowadays expert internet community, so they could control the information better, but at least we had the feeling that Sherlock Holmes was in charge... Like people having the feeling that autorities "really want to know the truth and that they work in this direction".

Moreover, "russian plane crash in egypt" is a really odd combo. It shows some rather exotic aspects, and the title itself made me dream about some kind of "1001 nights" far away event. It is true, the occidental parameter is not present there any more, it's like "look how they deal with it".
 
Keit said:
Just heard a person from the rescue team speaking over Russia 24. He said that the sight is absolutely chilling and many experienced rescuers say that they never saw anything like this. The plane was destroyed into very small pieces over an area of 30 km. There are only a few large pieces left. He also said one curious thing. He said that of course it is only a preliminary assessment, but it doesn't look like there was an explosion or a fire, it just cracked in the tail area first.

There is some interesting data from Flightradar24.com

http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/crash-of-metrojet-flight-7k9268/

Two entries show the plane ascending over 3,500ft within 2 seconds, which is impossible for the plane to do on its own.

04:13:00 KGL9268 30.151 34.178 33500
04:13:00 KGL9268 30.153 34.177 30975

04:13:00 KGL9268 30.154 34.176 29750
04:13:02 KGL9268 30.156 34.175 33275

If this is accurate, it would suggest some kind of "air burst" or "vortex" similar to the explanation given for the crash of the Air Asia flight late last year.
 
angelburst29 said:
First official images from Sinai crash scene emerge
https://www.rt.com/news/320225-plane-crash-russian-egypt/

There was a comment on this picture that RT posted under the heading: "08:34 GMT Watch RT's latest report on Sinai plane crash" that shows a close up of the plane.

".....see the vertical stabilizer has been peeled backwards from the fuselage, yet there are no signs of impact damage to the leading edge. This leaves us with two possibilities. The first is that the aircraft exceeded its normal maximum speed while diving and the vertical stabilizer failed under the excess loads. But what if the vertical stabilizer failed in normal flight? That would throw the aircraft instantly out of control leading to the crash sequence reported. If I were investigating this crash I would be taking a very careful look at the fasteners along that split seam."

The fasteners could have been tampered with or sabotaged to fail in flight?

Interesting. Again, a "vortex" or wind burst could have done that with pretty catastrophic consequences. There's this from earlier this year:

(Perceval) So, Air Asia flight QZ8501 disappeared from radar on the 28th of December 2014. No word from the pilots. It disappeared and apparently crashed, and everybody died. Then they started finding parts of the plane at the bottom of the sea. What happened to it?

A: Similar to the African flight. We said there would be more of same.

Q: (Pierre) A superstorm.

(L) So, what did they say about that other African flight?

(Perceval) A vortex that sucks it up and then throws it down, and there was a super powerful lightning strike...

A: Vortexes can occur without lightning. [...]

Q: (Perceval) For the Air Asia flight, did it involve a massive updraft and then a downdraft as some are claiming?

A: Yes

Q: (Perceval) And what causes that kind of a vortex?

A: Variations of temperature in layers of atmosphere enhanced by variations in charge potential difference.

Q: (Pierre) So it's powerful. You have the electrical factor and the mechanical or thermal factor sometimes working in conjunction.

Here's the bit on the African flight:

I want to know what caused the crash of the Air Algerie flight number AH 5017? I would like to know what caused that crash?

A: Multiple elements were involved here. First there was a vortex of electric charge which quadrupled the power of the thunder stroke. Second, due to the vortex, there was a breach of the realm curtain. This induced EM effects which disoriented the pilots. Expect more of this sort of thing around the planet in future.

And this from 99-11-13

Q: Okay. Another reader asks what really happened to Flight 990?

A: Pilots lost control when windburst tipped plane. Autopilot was disengaged after beginning of dive. Centrifugal force prevented soon enough correction in attitude to prevent structural damage to wings and struts. When plane was reascending, stresses sheared off right wing. No radio contact was made due to the desperation of the situation requiring all attention of the flight crew.
 
Perceval said:
If this is accurate, it would suggest some kind of "air burst" or "vortex" similar to the explanation given for the crash of the Air Asia flight late last year.

Just read the following article in Russian, and it says that one of the versions that experts are looking into is, that the plane possibly went into a spin/spiral dive, which explains the drastic descent.

Btw, just for further info, when I looked for a proper term in English of what the Russian expert said, I found the following page. Someone asked what are the chances of an aircraft to survive after going into a spin aka A320.
 
anka said:
This might well be a fake but an interesting thing is that when this video was first uploaded to YouTube then YT immediately deleted the account, claims the website Aeronet.cz. Then it was uploaded again by user David makinmim and it's still there for now. I am just putting it here for the record - there is no further info on this video.

VIDEO Russian passenger plane crashes in Egypt's Sinai desert.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1446300521

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Vj-A6KVxA

Video looks very fake to me. Looks like a low res video of a big airliner flying away and someone added a fake explosion and really black smoke. Notice how the plane in question doesn't seem to change pitch or even begin to dive, despite that massive fireball and black smoke. "ISIS" really are a bunch of idiots.
 
Perceval said:
And this from 99-11-13
Q: Okay. Another reader asks what really happened to Flight 990?

A: Pilots lost control when windburst tipped plane. Autopilot was disengaged after beginning of dive. Centrifugal force prevented soon enough correction in attitude to prevent structural damage to wings and struts.

Hi Perceval,

I remember this segment well.

A follow up inquiry was made regarding their word attitude (to see if they really meant altitude.) But attitude is what they repeated. I've never been able to figure out what they truly meant by that.

Was it the attitude of the pilots that mattered?

Like maybe they were caught in environment of "variable physicality" -- and had no clue. Hence their own confusion (of thought) helped bring forth the resultant disaster? There was also another comment on disorientation due to EM burst in another segment. A torn realm curtain. So it has happened before.

If this is even remotely true, then perhaps we had better train our thoughts, in preparation for the coming new reality.

FWIW.

PS
This is purely speculation on my part, nothing more.
 
Perceval said:
Video looks very fake to me. Looks like a low res video of a big airliner flying away and someone added a fake explosion and really black smoke. Notice how the plane in question doesn't seem to change pitch or even begin to dive, despite that massive fireball and black smoke. "ISIS" really are a bunch of idiots.

I got the same impression. The video doesn't match with most of the reports, like the one about a member of the rescue team reporting no sign of explosion or fire from the aircraft's impact site, or the flight data showing big sudden changes in both altitude and speed.
 
Darina Gromova, a girl who was ten months. Her photos from the airport in St. Petersburg before leaving for Egypt became a symbol of the fall of the Russian Airbus on the social networks on which the shared her photos.

Darina together with their parents Tatiana and Alexei was one of the 224 passengers who died during his return from leave.

"The main traveler," she wrote her mother Tatiana with a photo that was released on his Instagram account before leaving for Egypt.
darianinstatriwe.jpg


RIP
 
I wonder if it will ever come out that there were "persons of interest" on that particular flight.
 
sitting said:
Perceval said:
And this from 99-11-13
Q: Okay. Another reader asks what really happened to Flight 990?

A: Pilots lost control when windburst tipped plane. Autopilot was disengaged after beginning of dive. Centrifugal force prevented soon enough correction in attitude to prevent structural damage to wings and struts.

Hi Perceval,

I remember this segment well.

A follow up inquiry was made regarding their word attitude (to see if they really meant altitude.) But attitude is what they repeated. I've never been able to figure out what they truly meant by that.

Was it the attitude of the pilots that mattered?

Like maybe they were caught in environment of "variable physicality" -- and had no clue. Hence their own confusion (of thought) helped bring forth the resultant disaster? There was also another comment on disorientation due to EM burst in another segment. A torn realm curtain. So it has happened before.

If this is even remotely true, then perhaps we had better train our thoughts, in preparation for the coming new reality.

FWIW.

PS
This is purely speculation on my part, nothing more.

Attitude is the position of the plane relative to the ground, such as nose up or down, tilt left or right. It is measured with a gyroscope.
 
Keit said:
rs said:
I wonder if it will ever come out that there were "persons of interest" on that particular flight.

What do you mean?
I mean that perhaps there were certain people on this flight who were assassinated. This line of questioning came up with the passenger list on the missing MH370 where there were a group of people on the flight that may have been "taken out".
 
rs said:
I mean that perhaps there were certain people on this flight who were assassinated. This line of questioning came up with the passenger list on the missing MH370 where there were a group of people on the flight that may have been "taken out".

Are you talking about the AIDS researchers? As far as I remember the C's said that there was no significance and they weren't "assassinated"? To be honest, personally I don't think that it was the point in this particular case too. fwiw.
 
Keit said:
rs said:
I mean that perhaps there were certain people on this flight who were assassinated. This line of questioning came up with the passenger list on the missing MH370 where there were a group of people on the flight that may have been "taken out".

Are you talking about the AIDS researchers? As far as I remember the C's said that there was no significance and they weren't "assassinated"? To be honest, personally I don't think that it was the point in this particular case too. fwiw.

Freescale Semiconductor, which makes powerful microchips for industries including defence, released the powerful new products to the American market on March 3.

Five days later, Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing with 239 people on board including 20 working for Freescale.

Twelve were from Malaysia, while eight were Chinese nationals.

Freescale’s spokesman Mitch Haws has said: “These were all people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people.

“It’s definitely a loss for the company.”

Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British Prime Minister John Major.

Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
 
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