Russian Passenger Plane Crashes Over Egypt

[angelburst29]

Video of the crash site

Having spend the day reading and watching reports, I created the impression that the crash site was a mountainous, hard to get to area...

I was given the same impression, especially where it was reported - part of the plane "crashed into a rock?" If you watch the video carefully, it does give a 350* spin of the area and it looks like a flat "plateau" for miles around. The only reason I can think of, that they gave the impression of a mountainous terrain was for security reasons, so authorized personell could get to crash site before any ISIS or whatever to tamper with the crime scene? So, in a sense, mountainous terrain is a decoy? I would imagine, some of the conflicting reports might also serve as a decoy, until all the bodies are recovered and the area "secured" for further investigation.

"The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned and a larger part that crashed into a rock. We have extracted at least 100 bodies and the rest are still inside."

Another thought, of why there may be conflicting reports and wanting to secure the area before any tampering, might be to rule out something that recently surfaced in the "Civil War in Ukraine" thread:

Quote from: http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/10/ukrainian-wikileaks-mccain-and.html

Ukrainian Wikileaks: McCain and Saakashvili are plotting to shoot down American plane in Syria to blame Russia [transcript]

The reverse would be shooting down a plane with Russian citizens near the Syrian Border?

 

[Thomas Alan]

My condolences to those aboard this aircraft and their loved ones. It is truly heartbreaking.

The timing of this crash is ominous considering what is happening in the Middle East and around our world. Too many coincidences for sure. Hopefully there will be a full and open investigation.

Thanks to all for the fine work you have done in gathering reports from many sources. Great work.

Mac

 

[Joe]

Here is a very useful live ticker from german sputnik news:

http://de.sputniknews.com/panorama/20151031/305318494/russisches-flugzeug-aegypten-abgestuerzt.html

As of now I'm leaning towards something unusual happening there aka. not a normal plane accident.

At 11:56 Sputnik above noted that a flight recorder was found at the crash site.

at 12.20 Egyptian aviation authority denied that a flight recorder was found.

Wow, here they go again.

There was also the report of "voices" among the wreckage from a first responder. I mean, that's just clear evidence of someone deliberately making stuff up and disseminating it.

 

[Joe]

It is hard not to compare this event to the shooting down of MH17.

Yeah, I've noticed the rather muted response compare to MH17, but that is just evidence of the very specific nature of MH17 shootdown: to demonize Russia. In this case, it seems to be more like one of those "silent" messages to both Russia and Egypt. I say that because it reminds me more of the Germanwings crash, which we suspect was a message to both France and Germany: a German plane coming down in France. In this case, a Russian plane full of Russian passengers going down in Egypt.

If the same MO was used in Egypt as with Germanwings, then we may be looking at a remote control hijacking and deliberate crashing. In this case, there'll be no sign of any bombs on the plane or missile damage etc. effectively leaving investigators to "come up" with some kind of "suicide pilot" theory. But the Russians aren't the French or Germans, and might be less inclined to play that game. It'll be interesting to see if there is some way to determine if a remote control hijacking took place, and if the Russians would be willing to suggest it.

Of course, there is also the possibility of some kind of anomalous weather/atmospheric effects like the Air Asia and Africa crashes, but the geopolitical context around this one suggests a geopolitical message, at least at this point.

 

[domi]

I say that because it reminds me more of the Germanwings crash, which we suspect was a message to both France and Germany: a German plane coming down in France. In this case, a Russian plane full of Russian passengers going down in Egypt.

The moment I read this was an Airbus model plane, I thought the same thing. Clearly the baddies know how to take over an Airbus. Not so sure about Russian made jets.

 

[Ruth]

When i heard this new this morning , the first thought that came to my mind was that its a message for the Russia from the PTB, for their intervention in Syria.

The sad thing is that even if this wasn't a deliberate act, they will try and 'use' it to further their agenda. Even if it was an accident.

 

[Arwenn]

My condolences to those aboard this aircraft and their loved ones. It is truly heartbreaking.

The timing of this crash is ominous considering what is happening in the Middle East and around our world. Too many coincidences for sure. Hopefully there will be a full and open investigation.

Thanks to all for the fine work you have done in gathering reports from many sources. Great work.

Mac

My deepest condolences to the families and relatives as well, this is just so sad. I was wondering what the repercussions to Russia and/or Russian citizens would be, following Putin's moves in Syria.

Now we wait to see what the investigations reveal, and what spin they will put on it for mass consumption.

 

[anka]

This might well be a fake but an interesting thing is that when this video was first uploaded to YouTube then YT immediately deleted the account, claims the website Aeronet.cz. Then it was uploaded again by user David makinmim and it's still there for now. I am just putting it here for the record - there is no further info on this video.

VIDEO Russian passenger plane crashes in Egypt's Sinai desert.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1446300521

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Vj-A6KVxA

My condolences to those aboard this aircraft and their loved ones. It is truly heartbreaking.

The timing of this crash is ominous considering what is happening in the Middle East and around our world. Too many coincidences for sure. Hopefully there will be a full and open investigation.

Thanks to all for the fine work you have done in gathering reports from many sources. Great work.

Mac

My deepest condolences to the families and relatives as well, this is just so sad. I was wondering what the repercussions to Russia and/or Russian citizens would be, following Putin's moves in Syria.

Now we wait to see what the investigations reveal, and what spin they will put on it for mass consumption.

Same here. Very sad indeed.

 

[Voyageur]

My condolences to the families and the Russian peoples for this loss. Very sad indeed. :(

Just wanted to add a terrain map of the area cited. This can be cross referenced with the alleged route against the jag on the the Israeli/Egypt border.

 

[Siberia]

So sad to watch the TV reports of so many young couples with children who died in this horrible crash. :(

Russian transport Minister said that flight recorders of the Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt on Saturday have no significant damages.

"There are minor technical damages. But there were no thermal impact as the Egyptian representatives say," Sokolov said.

A Kogalymavia spokeswoman said earlier the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience and the plane had been fully serviced.

 

[casper]

A Kogalymavia spokeswoman said earlier the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience and the plane had been fully serviced.

Natalija Truckaheva, wife of pilot Sergei bumpy in an interview with Russian television NTV said that their daughter called Truckahevog before her flight and he lamented the state of the aircraft.
"I called him before he took off. He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft leaves a lot to wish for. "
Link:
https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegram.hr%2Fpolitika-kriminal%2Fkopilot-se-prije-leta-pozalio-kceri-na-stanje-aviona-neke-kompanije-ipak-do-daljnjega-nece-letjeti-preko-sinaja%2F&edit-text=

 

[Siberia]

A Kogalymavia spokeswoman said earlier the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience and the plane had been fully serviced.

Natalija Truckaheva, wife of pilot Sergei bumpy in an interview with Russian television NTV said that their daughter called Truckahevog before her flight and he lamented the state of the aircraft.
"I called him before he took off. He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft leaves a lot to wish for. "
Link:
https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegram.hr%2Fpolitika-kriminal%2Fkopilot-se-prije-leta-pozalio-kceri-na-stanje-aviona-neke-kompanije-ipak-do-daljnjega-nece-letjeti-preko-sinaja%2F&edit-text=

Thank you Casper, I've just watched this short NTV video mentioned above, you can also watch it here in Russian.

She was mostly speaking about her ex-husband being a very reliable and experienced pilot, and said that if there was a slightest technical possibility to land the plane, he would certainly do it. She said that in her opinion he did all that he could in this situation. She said that she would rather think that it could be a technical failure than his fault. And in this context she did mention that the sate of the plane was not perfect, although I didn't hear her saying exactly that it "leaves a lot to wish for", she rather said that "it could be better". fwiw

 

[Keit]

Just heard a person from the rescue team speaking over Russia 24. He said that the sight is absolutely chilling and many experienced rescuers say that they never saw anything like this. The plane was destroyed into very small pieces over an area of 30 km. There are only a few large pieces left. He also said one curious thing. He said that of course it is only a preliminary assessment, but it doesn't look like there was an explosion or a fire, it just cracked in the tail area first.

 

[Oxajil]

Horrible. I just read it is the deadliest air accident in the history of Russian aviation. RIP to all who were on board that plane.

Here is some data of the flight by flightradar24: _http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/crash-of-metrojet-flight-7k9268/

 

[luc]

Horrible. I just read it is the deadliest air accident in the history of Russian aviation. RIP to all who were on board that plane.

Here is some data of the flight by flightradar24: _http://www.flightradar24.com/blog/crash-of-metrojet-flight-7k9268/

Yes, rest in peace and condolences to the families and friends of the victims. If the PTB have anything to do with it, it's just so incredible cruel.