Session 09 June 2009

davey72

The Living Force
Q: (laughter) (An**) Is there some connection between people with OCD who recognize patterns easily - are they any less or more likely to be suggestible when it comes to hypnosis or dissociation?

A: No. Other factors are related to suggestibility.

To me thios sounds like a bad thing, but can it ever be good? 7 became my lucky number when i was a small kid, after hearing a teacher describe why the number seven was lucky. I started to do everything in sevens, and still do to an extent to this day. My last girlfriend told me that everything she looks at is like a picture in her mind that she seperates into seven sections, and i can't remember exactly what they were, but i have had quite a few seemingly synchronicities with the number seven. Can this be of an sto nature, or does this sort of thing always come from an sts aspect?

or perhaps this is why?
A: You are much less externally suggestible though very internally suggestible.

Q: (An**) You mean I suggest things to myself and then listen to myself?

A: More or less.

I was just wondering if suggestibility "ever" comes from sto?
 

davey72

The Living Force
A: This is going to require work. The main issue is the relationship with the mother. The left side represents the mother and feminine energy. You feel paralyzed by your relationship with your mother and the anger that is unexpressed is turned on yourself.

Does this mean that the right side is representing masculine energy in the same sort of way?
 

Str!ke

Padawan Learner
A: When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it.

Q: (Craig) Does that apply to this group, or the public in general?

A: Not this group. But definitely those who have not integrated consciousness. The breathing is a tool, a technique, and should be seen as such and not as the result.
Q: (L) So, it's like one line of things they need to do, I think. Because it's clear to me that it's very helpful. But like they said earlier, you sweep the house out, and if you don't put something back in that's the right thing, then somebody else puts it in for you - like religion, society, television, whatever. (J) What specific aspect of what we were doing opened the portal to an alternate reality?
Can someone explain what do the C's mean about:

  • "When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."

Do they refer to the breathing that it will sweep the "house" and that you should put back in whatever it swept that you decide?.
Is it like the breathing will do emotional cleansing and that you have to process the emotions,(like they say, to decide what to put back in?)

  • "The breathing is a tool, a technique, and should be seen as such and not as the result"

What does that means? I understand it like the breathing helps you cleanse but does not mean that you are clean by doing it?

To be honest, I don't quite understand it, the reason I ask is because after doing EE for some months, I think I was getting a lot of emotional cleansing but wasn't really dealing with the emotions like they deserve, and I think I got to the point of being very full of emotions that I couldn't contain them anymore. Any advice is highly appreciated

Thanks in advance
 

HiThere

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Str!ke^FreedoM said:
Can someone explain what do the C's mean about:

  • "When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."
I read it as if you're not on your guard against negative influences, your state of being after breathing will make you more attractive to negative entities. You need to have your knowledge present and choose what to give attention and what to shut out.

Str!ke^FreedoM said:
Do they refer to the breathing that it will sweep the "house" and that you should put back in whatever it swept that you decide?.
Is it like the breathing will do emotional cleansing and that you have to process the emotions,(like they say, to decide what to put back in?)
I read it as focusing on the totality of your being, being alert and awake, recognizing the good and shutting out the bad.

Str!ke^FreedoM said:
  • "The breathing is a tool, a technique, and should be seen as such and not as the result"

What does that means? I understand it like the breathing helps you cleanse but does not mean that you are clean by doing it?
You get dirtied down again real quick if you don't utilize the better overview the breathing provides you with to grow in knowledge; the breathing is a tool for growth, as I understood it.

Str!ke^FreedoM said:
To be honest, I don't quite understand it, the reason I ask is because after doing EE for some months, I think I was getting a lot of emotional cleansing but wasn't really dealing with the emotions like they deserve, and I think I got to the point of being very full of emotions that I couldn't contain them anymore.
If there's still a lot of unresolved emotions, try to work on them in connection with the breathing. Over time you will get more confident in your opinions about why they were there in the first place, and gradually leave them behind. My 0,02
 

truth seeker

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
The way I currently understand it is that when we do the breathing exercises in ee, we are cleansing ourselves of past traumas (both recent as well as older ones including those carried over from past incarnations). So the house (The physiological as well as the psychological. This includes emotional traumas and physical traumas which can relate to narcissistic wounding as well as foods we eat that are unhealthy for us and show up in the form of disease) becomes cleansed of these undesirables.

The meditative portion connects us to our higher selves and begins a process with the purpose of maintaining the house in its new condition. The choices we make afterwards either support the new surroundings (keeps the house clean) or works against it (serves to make it dirty again). These choices involve knowledge regarding intake of objective information (this includes Work on the self), diet and continuation of ee practice. As I see it, it's a cycle where each aspect supports the other two and is an ongoing process. Any corrections are welcome.

Not sure if that answers your questions.
 

Mountain Crown

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
"When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."

"The breathing is a tool, a technique, and should be seen as such and not as the result"
I understand this as a warning against mechanical practice of EE. Conscious efforts at continuing the Work are as necessary as before, and that EE is a tool for that end.

There are some who mistakenly regard themselves as particularly spiritual simply because they meditate!
 

Prysm

Padawan Learner
Funny, thought about Sri Sri's initials.... SSRS... and close to SSRI as in antidepressants. Just an odd coincidence, or is it some sort of breathing/energetic application to mimic the drug induced effects of such pharmaceuticals if the wrong "twist" is incorporated into the practice? Just a thought.

I found it kinda funny as i read through the transcripts that as topics are discussed and reflected on, sometimes the thoughts and realisations i have and wish to possibly write down in response seem to just pop up in a following response. It kinda feels like i am grooving with this "psychic link" that is proposed to exist on this forum and between its members. Quite an interesting experience. And i was thinking about the statement something along the lines of "what one looses, all loose, and what one gains all gain." Its almost like this psychic link is constantly re-grooving amongst us as we continue to learn. Makes me think of that quote that goes kinda like "the group is only as strong as its weakest link", and how it applies to the rise and fall statement. As the grooving and all such co-linear activities take place, the group will proceed as One based on the cumulative aspects of each individual. It kinda hits home on being aware of who exactly is participating in the group, and when it is needed to remove the "noise" of such an individual in order to retain the vital functioning of the group as a whole so it doesn't "fall".

As always, thanks for the sessions and continued input.

Bobby
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
There was in this session from more than ten years ago:
Q: [...] (Craig) About the UK, are they trying a coup to replace the government in the UK?

A: Just getting the pathological types in.

Q: (J) That's what we suspected, ya know? Vin was saying it seemed like a cleaning, like they were getting rid of people with this scandal.
When one considers what the politics look like today, then it appears that some countries, and not just the UK, have seen a surge in the number of pathological types.
 

Luks

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
Can someone explain what do the C's mean about:

  • "When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."
I add my two cents too.

This sentence means to me that without aim and work toward some aim and only meditate - it will be like spinning around, and your life will stay at one point.

However, if you have a goal or problem to solve, you confidently go for it. You are consistent in your will.

You collect the required knowledge and you make your own conclusions, then meditation added to it empowers you giving turbocharge, acts like the catalyzer, speeding the whole process and break up blockages.

But when you think that you can change yourself by meditation only, then you'll stand in one place.
 

Luks

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
I was just wondering if suggestibility "ever" comes from sto?
Our mind/consciousness is one Real component in the whole existence, and from it, the line has its start which surrounds and includes the whole universe around us and comes back to mind.

This is a beginning and an end. On the one side, we have the 4DSTS who read and influence our minds, and on the other side STO who can work through us.

It's like have a devil and an angel on the shoulders. And the matter is whos suggestions we listen to. This is the beginning of everything.
 

Curious Beagle

The Force is Strong With This One
"When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."
This sentence need a long explanation but it is important to understand. Consciousness consist of your mind and unconscious mind/emotion. In astrology it is symbolized by air and fire if you gain knowledge of both you will get pillar of fire/wisdom. The other 2 being earth/body and water/chi or ether energy (4 elements C mentioned). Due to distortions they don't vibrate at the same frequency (low vibration). This is the essence of what the c is trying to say once you are aware of your flaws (antennae choose side) you need to rearrange your information.

Many of us are completely unaware we have opinions that we have accepted ready-made, without asking our self whether they were really ours, and why. The opinion you hold may be objectively valid. If it is not your own, arrived at through mature deliberation, it is more harmful to the soul than a wrong opinion honestly reached. There are many reason for this such as:
1 Inferiority feelings: you are so certain that other people know better than you that you rely on their opinions rather than on your own.
2 Laziness: anything that does not touch you personally is not important enough to make an effort for (most thing we learned in school, religion, politic, etc)
3 Desire to conform: immature person feels different from her or his surroundings, has a feeling of not belonging, of being isolated and unique in a negative sense
4 Rebel against authority: since you still crave to belong, and your rebellion is not only hidden but is limited to certain realms of your life, you want to make up for the rebellion by conforming to your environment in other ways
5 Cover up the exact wish that you deny yourself: because your desire does not conform to public opinion, you are convinced of its wickedness. etc

In all these instances, you violate your personality; you lack the courage to be yourself and to arrive at your own conclusions. You sell out your truth for an imagined personal advantage, which increases your self-contempt, though this is usually quite unconscious. I might add that often you hold an opinion only because it represents the exact opposite of a hated and rejected authority’s, be it a parent or someone else. You are thus just as much in bondage as by conforming. You are just as dependent. Now you can surely see how harmful it is to hold opinions that you did not arrive at independently, that are not free from your emotional involvement. Find out which of these motives apply to you and bind you.

The danger is that your rationalizations may hide the weak and dependent motives. Do not forget that the validity of the opinion is the not the point here. The validity of the opinion may be so strong that you cannot find the emotional and subjective reasons behind it. Finding your motives requires the utmost self-honesty to detect the slight emotional flavor in your reactions to some of your opinions. By listening to or feeling your reactions you will be able to get to their roots. Beware of your good reasoning capacity! The more successful you are, the graver is the danger that you are hiding your true motives. One can find justification for almost any viewpoint. There is also always a point in the opposite view. Try to see it. And then try to detect how subjective you may have been so far. It will already be great progress if you can admit that you have a personal stake in holding on to your opinion
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Can someone explain what do the C's mean about:
  • "When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it."
Do they refer to the breathing that it will sweep the "house" and that you should put back in whatever it swept that you decide?.
I add my two cents too.

This sentence means to me that without aim and work toward some aim and only meditate - it will be like spinning around, and your life will stay at one point.

However, if you have a goal or problem to solve, you confidently go for it. You are consistent in your will.

You collect the required knowledge and you make your own conclusions, then meditation added to it empowers you giving turbocharge, acts like the catalyzer, speeding the whole process and break up blockages.

But when you think that you can change yourself by meditation only, then you'll stand in one place.
The question Strike poses is one sentence in a discussion that dealt with meditation. While I agree with much you are saying Luks, in the next couple of months following this session there was more that may be meaningful in relation to the question. Below are a few excerpts beginning with the context in which the statement from the C's occured. The short version of it all is to use a seed in meditation, this is done by using the "Prayer of the Soul" in Eiriu-Eolas, that it is beneficial to assimilate the meaning of the "Prayer of the Soul" and to constantly gain knowledge by effort.
Q: (L) You have all that gray matter, and you're not using it. You're letting your emotions rule your life. (Allen) And your arm is probably only the beginning if nothing changes I would imagine. (J) Back to breathing? (L) Yes. So, what do you think of this Kriya?

A: Great stuff, eh? Lighten up on the fluff though.

Q: (J) Would the fluff be... (Craig) The drumming?

A: Drumming is good and intense. There is too much "free time" in altered states.

Q: (J) Remember what I was saying yesterday about how there was too much time when we were just lying there and nothing was being said... that should be guided.

A: When you sweep the house and leave it clean if you do not decide what to put back in then others will do it.

Q: (Craig) Does that apply to this group, or the public in general?

A: Not this group. But definitely those who have not integrated consciousness. The breathing is a tool, a technique, and should be seen as such and not as the result.
The above may connect with the continuation where there is mention of using a seed in meditation, a powerful "seed".
Q: (L) Alright then. Is there anything that we could do?

A: Perhaps if you could share the technique that you used to achieve emotional cleansing, a lot of people would benefit including the two individuals in question.

Q: (L) What technique is that?

A: Remember an entire night of cleansing tears?!

Q: (L) Yeah. Well, that was just a meditation technique I developed. I would breathe a certain way and repeat certain things in my mind as I breathed, and I did it every night. Strange things started happening.

A: Strange indeed! You stumbled instinctively on an ancient method that is unsurpassed in its efficacy. So why not share?

Q: (Joe) Spill the beans, Laura! (L) Well I just never thought it was anything particularly special - it just worked for me! I mean how does something like that compare to this Art of Living Kriya thing?

A: AoL is for beginners and robots!

Q: (laughter) (L) Well then why were you so enthusiastic when Craig proposed teaching us? I mean, he asked if he should teach us, and you said yes with seven exclamation points!

A: Got you to do it and jump started your thinking didn't we?!

Q: (L) So the point wasn't that this method was "the best" or the only one or so great. It was to draw our attention to the idea of breathing, or control of breath, as a means of effecting emotional healing. Is that it?

A: Absolutely!X7

Q: (laughter) (L) Shorthand. Um...

A: Remember that your method employed a powerful "seed".

Q: (DD) Seed? (L) Yeah, that's a reference to meditating with or without seed. (Joe) What was the seed? (L) Phrases that I used in my mind. (Allen) Were those phrases particular to you though, like something that someone has to come up with for themselves? (L) Well, I dunno, were those phrases particular for me?

A: They were super powerful!


Q: (C) Where they like prayers? (L) Yeah, and it's really funny because I started out using the Lord's Prayer. Then I decided that I wasn't happy with it because it wasn't open enough. It had associations with specific religious things, and so I rewrote it. I'll have to... It was something like... (DD) Did you use those words as a template? (L) Yeah. (Joe) I used to say a Lord's Prayer that was modified. At night, like a mantra, I used to just go over and over... (L) Did you do it in concert with breathing? (Joe) Not consciously. (L) Yeah, well you see, I did. It was very deliberate controlled breathing. I did this every night for months. (DD) How were you breathing? (L) Very similar to what Craig teaches, what they call this Victory Breath. (Joe) Was it both in and out through the nose? (L) In through the nose, out through the mouth. (Joe) Because I thought Victory Breath was weird when we did the course since it was all through the nose. (A**) Yeah, that's what was missing. (L) Yeah, I did it in through the nose, out through the mouth. It was in and count, hold and count, out and count. And it was very controlled... it was very similar to what they call this Ujjai breath, or Victory Breath. That was kind of familiar to me, because I'd done that for years. (C) And while you were doing it, you were saying... (L) I was repeating these phrases, and each phrase was created so that the in or out breath fit the phrase exactly. So for the first phrase, I would breathe in, and then out for the second phrase, etc. And my objective was to do it twenty times. I don't think I ever did it twenty times, because I would get to about ten or twelve, and then I would just leave the body or something, just zone. And after a certain number of times of doing that, then I had this... I dunno, I came back to myself with this... I dunno whether I want to call it a kundalini experience or not, but I felt there was this tremendous cleansing event that went on for hours and hours and hours. I've described it before. Something happened. But anyway, that was the story. So I found that to be very effective. I dunno what to ask now. (Joe) Is what you just described the idea?

A: Yes and another excellent technique though for other purposes is what you call "power breathing".
In the next excerpt there is a suggestion, which although it was brought up in a particular situation may have general application:
A: Chiropractic will help a little. Meditating in the way you are preparing to teach will help a lot especially with the intentional assimilation of the "Prayer of the Soul."
At the end of the following quote there is: "A: We said that this practice MUST be accompanied by a commensurate effort to constantly gain knowledge by effort."
Q: (L) Okay. Well, we have people working on this breathing and meditation program, and some people are having some unusual experiences physically, and other people are having extreme tiredness, and there's just really the whole gamut going on there. I guess there's really not a clear question about that because that's more or less what we expected: each person is in individual, and the way that they apply the program I guess depends on their level of knowledge...

A: It would be best if you could teach it directly. But under the circumstances with so many in such great need, and the system often restricting their funds and thus their ability to travel and compensate you for your time and energy, it is the best way so far. Some will find their creativity expanding and thus their ability to make more direct connections as a result of the practice!

Q: (L) Why do you say "their ability to compensate me for my time"?

A: We have spoken before about the necessity for energy to be balanced. It is correct for you to make this program available according to the individual ability to compensate. But all must remember that it is STO to GIVE [planchette circles board] ALL to those who ask. You have given all REPEATEDLY and many still do not understand the value nor do they compensatorily give in return. Those who have difficulties with the program may find that they are not giving "all". And that does not always mean money either. It can also mean commitment.

Q: (L) Questions? (DD) Is the group still doing Monday and Thursday? (L) Mm-hmm. (Joe) Well, we're gonna make the program available for purchase as a set, in a nice package. That'll be an opportunity for people to - I know it's not just money, but it'll be an opportunity for people to at least give for receiving something, like directly.

A: Those individuals who still think that you can get something for nothing will find themselves blocked.

Q: (L) Well, what is the nature of this kind of thing? I mean, what do you mean "blocked"?

A: It can take 2 main forms: In the STO candidate, it can be blocked by the subconscious process that knows there is an imbalance. In the "others" it is simply that they are not on the correct frequency to receive. Remember "receivership capability" and also capacity.

Q: (L) In other words, somebody could conceivably, ya know, pay a million dollars for the program and if they were a billionaire and it was a drop in the bucket to their income, or even if they were doing it manipulatively to gain for the self, they would still not be able to get anything out of it even though they had made an exchange because they would still not be at the frequency to understand. Is that correct?

A: Yes. Remember the "widow's mite".

Q: (Joe) The Widow's Mite? (L) It's a story in the bible. It's a small amount. Ya know, the rich man who gave a lot and thought he would buy salvation, and then the poor widow who gave a little bit but it was all she had - she gave all. So the principle is giving all, but not necessarily in the sense of money. Is that what we're getting at here?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. Well, we have a whole other list of questions from the forum and I guess we ought to get onto them now...

A: No, that must wait. The world is hurtling through space in its move toward destiny, and many of those questions are of little consequence. Besides, our interaction with you is not to pass messages to others of a more or less trivial nature. Additionally, for many of these questions to be answerable, a similar frequency issue comes into play. You, PERSONALLY, in your mind, must be seeking the answer, and it must be important to your path of destiny. Otherwise it is no more or less accurate than any old "psychic". And "any old psychic" you AIN'T!

Q: (laughter) (Joe) You have to like the questions, Laura. You have to be interested in the questions. (L) Well, and they have to be important questions. I mean, I've always been... I mean, yeah, I went through this whole phase of doing these testing questions, but they were all questions that interested me – there was a reason for them. (Joe) So we have to think of important stuff. (L) Well, what's important to me right now is I have some question as to what... I mean, we've dealt with some of the issues of the breathing program, ya know, that maybe some people are having problems because they aren't inputting a commensurate amount of energy in order to receive the benefits - maybe they're not on the same frequency or the right frequency - and that frequency block could be because they have not committed, or they are still maneuvering or manipulating, or it could be they're STO candidates and they simply haven't opened the frequency channel. So, those issues have to be dealt with on an individual basis, I'm assuming. But I think there is more to that problem than meets the eye.

A: Yes there is!!! We said that this practice MUST be accompanied by a commensurate effort to constantly gain knowledge by effort.
 

Luks

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
The question Strike poses is one sentence in a discussion that dealt with meditation. While I agree with much you are saying Luks, in the next couple of months following this session there was more that may be meaningful in relation to the question. Below are a few excerpts beginning with the context in which the statement from the C's occured. The short version of it all is to use a seed in meditation, this is done by using the "Prayer of the Soul" in Eiriu-Eolas, that it is beneficial to assimilate the meaning of the "Prayer of the Soul" and to constantly gain knowledge by effort.

The above may connect with the continuation where there is mention of using a seed in meditation, a powerful "seed".

In the next excerpt there is a suggestion, which although it was brought up in a particular situation may have general application:

At the end of the following quote there is: "A: We said that this practice MUST be accompanied by a commensurate effort to constantly gain knowledge by effort."
Thanks, I understand. Thanks for the complementation.
 
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