Session 10 December 2022

[Natus Videre]

It is easy to feel helplessness, and coming back to this thread and group is how I find I can get my thinking back on track after being triggered by fear. So have faith and keep doing the work—all that it entails—and we keep going because we can choose to do so.
Thanks everyone, sure is an amazing awareness we are developing.

When you take Vitamin Cassiopaea, you never have to worry about overdosing.

 

[gottathink]

I’ve been pondering this too lately. Say we posit that our reality is not merely determined by physical laws, but that we are instead a component of a larger cosmic consciousness that can influence tangible events. This ultimately means we can’t control everything by physical means.

For example, the construction of a subterranean shelter in order to protect ourselves from a possible comet impact might be driven by fear. On the other hand, if we completely refute the prospect of any comet collision, this too could be a fear based response. Interestingly, either of these approaches could potentially lead to adjustments of the comet trajectory by some means and striking the very location we sought to protect ourselves from, whether through fear-based preparation or denial.

In that sense, I agree the serenity prayer is very reasonable!

I find that reading the thread about astrologer Sveltlana Dragan always helps me simply because it presents that a future actually exists. Then I can place myself in that future and get busy working to improve things with the self work and reading accumulating information and assimilating knowledge.

 

[Sol Logos]

I find that reading the thread about astrologer Sveltlana Dragan always helps me simply because it presents that a future actually exists. Then I can place myself in that future and get busy working to improve things with the self work and reading accumulating information and assimilating knowledge.

Seems like it’s the safest path to simply focus on alignment with core principles - to develop our unique potential and help others do the same. Yeah and seems fear does the opposite.

A note on my comment you quoted, I referred to a comet impact, forgetting the size of comets. If one were to hit, it wouldn’t matter where our bunkers were built! Meteorites and meteor showers are closer to my meaning.

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

Why talk with humans at all, on first place? Do we talk with our catlle? Why they do, with all their might? But, they do, for some reason.

I have spoken to them. My wife has a gift speaking to them. She called a herd of horses to her that were being rounded up by ATV machines with no success.

But it is not just the words. So communication takes myriad forms which is why we need to rethink what we mean by telepathy.

 

[iamthatis]

I find that reading the thread about astrologer Sveltlana Dragan always helps me simply because it presents that a future actually exists. Then I can place myself in that future and get busy working to improve things with the self work and reading accumulating information and assimilating knowledge.

I think that this is a real important topic, and one probably close to many of our hearts - thanks for firing up this discussion again.

To my eye, with everything that we suspect is coming down the chute, it can be easy to just up and foreclose on the possibility of a future and give up. Why this happens is an interesting question to explore for me because I've been having some feelings of despair come up that I think can be attributed in part to the cosmic moment we're living in.

For me, one key issue is that it's all just so hard to imagine. I've been thinking recently that all the most creative works sci-fi and fantasy that used to blow me away... they just can't compare with this reality in terms of plot, characters, and sheer levels of weird. I think I'm still working through my own normalcy bias that's born from a long acculturation into the uniformitarian school of cosmology, too. I've read about volcanoes, comets, aliens, monsters, as well as the 'signs and portents' that are chronicled in history, and I think that helps a bit with the normalcy bias. An example of signs and portents in the linked article:

166 BC Consulship of Marcus Marcellus and Gaius Sulpicius

In Campania there was a shower of earth at many points. In the territory of Praeneste bloody rain fell. In the territory of Veii wool grew from trees. At Terracina in the temple of Minerva three women, who were seated after performing rites, lost their lives. At the grove of Libitina, water dripped for a long time from the mouth and foot of a bronze equestrian statue. The Ligurian Gauls were crushed.

When elections occurred marked by great corruption, and for this reason a session of the senate was being held on the Capitol, a kite came flying and dropped into the midst of the assembled Fathers a weasel that it had caught inside the temple of Jupiter. About this same time the temple of Safety was struck by lightning. On the Quirinal hill, blood oozed from the ground. At Lanuvium a meteor was seen in the sky by night. Several things were knocked to pieces by lightning at Cassinum, and the sun was seen for several hours at night. At Teanum Sidicinum a boy was born with four hands and as many feet. After the city had been purified there was peace at home and abroad (Ligurians, Summary Livy XLVI; bribery, cf. Summary Livy XLVII, 159 BC)


Comment: The meteor is fax in caelo nocte conspecta = burning torch in the night sky visible, burning seen in the sky.

The sun seen for several hours at night obviously refers to a cometary body that did not have the appearance of a "burning torch", probably because it was so close and perhaps seen dead on, without a tail. It may even have impacted or exploded aerially somewhere and this was not observed because the earth rotated away from it before impact.

Notice in the following year there was apparently plague and famine probably due to climate disruption related to the above "portents".

163 BC Consulship of Tiberius Gracchus and Manius Iuventius

At Capua the sun was seen by night. On the Stellate Plain part of a flock of wethers was struck dead by a thunderbolt. At Tarracina, male triplets were born. At Formiae two suns were seen by day. The sky was afire. At Antium a man was burned up by a ray of light from a mirror. At Gabii there was a rain of milk. Several things were overthrown by lightning on the Palatine. A swan glided into the temple of Victory and eluded the grasp of those who tried to capture it. At Privernum a girl was born without any hands. In Cephallenia a trumpet seemed to sound from the sky. There was a rain of earth. A windstorm demolished houses and laid crops flat in the fields. There was frequent lightning. By night an apparent sun shone at Pisaurum. At Acere a pig was born with human hands and feet, and children were born with four feet and four hands. At Forum Aesi an ox was uninjured by flame which sprang from its own mouth. (Julius Obsequens)


Comment: In the above, the "thunderbolt" was fulgure as opposed to the other usage fulmine or fulminavit generally employed for "shining" strikes of various sorts. One wonders if it was a bolide strike. Notice the "suns at night." Must have been a really busy time of comets that were aimed directly at the earth and thus, without tails being visible. Notice also the trumpet sound from the sky.

162 BC Consulship of Publius Scipio Nasica and Gaius Marcius

At Anagnia the sky was afire at night. Several things were overthrown by lightning. At Frusino and ox spoke. At Reate a three-footed mule was born. Gnaeus Octavius, an envoy to Syria, was assassinated in a gymnasium at the instigation of Lysias, the guardian of the boy Antiochus. (Octavius, Appian, Syrian Wars viii. 46. The assassin was Leptines, and Appian does not involve Lysias.)

So I read all this stuff, go have a smoke, and then go to work the next day where everyone is just truckin' along like usual. It's pretty bizarre - and yet so very normal at the same time. We're really living between two worlds, I think.

My own inability to trust in the future also comes from losing track of my aims. It's way easier for me to give up when I don't have a conscious aim. I realized that I have to remind myself of them pretty frequently, and so have started a daily routine of saying them out loud as part of my morning routine. As revolucionar said so well above, there's something very important and about maintaining specific aims and goals in this life. After all, it is in this life in 3D, and in our relationships in particular, that we can learn our simple and karmic lessons. That's the only way we graduate, by staying present with reality as we know it. I think maintaining our humble little life goals sends a message to the universe that we are in a state of acceptance of who we are, where we are. As Goethe wrote:

Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, that Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favour all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way.

Whatever you can do,
or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius,
power and magic in it.

Seems there's also a balance to be struck between the specific aims and maintaining an openness. I've also noticed that I can get very serious about my aims and not have any fun with them, getting very morose and rigid about it all like an icy-eyed Duke with a chaotic realm to set in order. Left-brain takeover, perhaps. So it's also important to make efforts to love ourselves enough to think/plan/imagine the best possible future, for ourselves, but also not just for ourselves, for All and Everything and Everyone, too, and hold that as a feeling or a potential without giving it any specific content. Even when things are rough personally. Or maybe especially in those cases. I think that this balance will be/is a central part of the Work in the days ahead of us as we face a ramping up of turmoil and disintegration.

Another thing that has helped me is inspired by Laura's Knowledge and Being vid series. Sometimes I close my eyes, attempt to make conscious contact with myself in the future, hold the feeling of relief and joy at having made it through all the hell and high water, reminding myself that 'there is no time', that it is all already done, that we've all already made it to that mythical 'best possible future', and then have faith that myself in the future will bridge the gap.

 

[gottathink]

I think that this is a real important topic, and one probably close to many of our hearts - thanks for firing up this discussion again.

To my eye, with everything that we suspect is coming down the chute, it can be easy to just up and foreclose on the possibility of a future and give up. Why this happens is an interesting question to explore for me because I've been having some feelings of despair come up that I think can be attributed in part to the cosmic moment we're living in.

For me, one key issue is that it's all just so hard to imagine. I've been thinking recently that all the most creative works sci-fi and fantasy that used to blow me away... they just can't compare with this reality in terms of plot, characters, and sheer levels of weird. I think I'm still working through my own normalcy bias that's born from a long acculturation into the uniformitarian school of cosmology, too. I've read about volcanoes, comets, aliens, monsters, as well as the 'signs and portents' that are chronicled in history, and I think that helps a bit with the normalcy bias. An example of signs and portents in the linked article:


So I read all this stuff, go have a smoke, and then go to work the next day where everyone is just truckin' along like usual. It's pretty bizarre - and yet so very normal at the same time. We're really living between two worlds, I think.

My own inability to trust in the future also comes from losing track of my aims. It's way easier for me to give up when I don't have a conscious aim. I realized that I have to remind myself of them pretty frequently, and so have started a daily routine of saying them out loud as part of my morning routine. As revolucionar said so well above, there's something very important and about maintaining specific aims and goals in this life. After all, it is in this life in 3D, and in our relationships in particular, that we can learn our simple and karmic lessons. That's the only way we graduate, by staying present with reality as we know it. I think maintaining our humble little life goals sends a message to the universe that we are in a state of acceptance of who we are, where we are. As Goethe wrote:


Seems there's also a balance to be struck between the specific aims and maintaining an openness. I've also noticed that I can get very serious about my aims and not have any fun with them, getting very morose and rigid about it all like an icy-eyed Duke with a chaotic realm to set in order. Left-brain takeover, perhaps. So it's also important to make efforts to love ourselves enough to think/plan/imagine the best possible future, for ourselves, but also not just for ourselves, for All and Everything and Everyone, too, and hold that as a feeling or a potential without giving it any specific content. Even when things are rough personally. Or maybe especially in those cases. I think that this balance will be/is a central part of the Work in the days ahead of us as we face a ramping up of turmoil and disintegration.

Another thing that has helped me is inspired by Laura's Knowledge and Being vid series. Sometimes I close my eyes, attempt to make conscious contact with myself in the future, hold the feeling of relief and joy at having made it through all the hell and high water, reminding myself that 'there is no time', that it is all already done, that we've all already made it to that mythical 'best possible future', and then have faith that myself in the future will bridge the gap.

Thankyou iamthis, your words express the feeling so very well, and you provide some excellent mental tools to assist all who are coping with the despair.

I agree, I also have simply done each day what “is in front of me”. Making mine and someone else’s day better, or week better or month better. Through the work and this past year I have become more resilient in that I just show up anyway, I work with a smile and a shine anyway, regardless of how I feel. It’s a hard push sometimes, really hard but then what happens always is eventually something budges. A breakthrough in my perception or reception in my relationships.

It feels like this is the hard stuff now, the crucible for humanity and we must exercise our will, of truth and justice for all, on the future. And that means coming up with some new thinking and kicking the normalcy bias to the curb.

From what I’m reading it sounds like many of us feel these things, what I would say is do all the things (it’s all here in the forum) you can, even the littlest thing today and tomorrow and just keep doing them. Come here to the group when you need to for encouragement and just be relentless. The cosmic gears are of magnitude that makes the changes feel like painful never ending labour, just keep going. Besides, what the hell else are we going to do? All the other choices of what to do with ourselves really suck.

So here we are and we grasp each other’s hands, tightly, and we move forward with a determination and strength of love due to this very group of people.

 

[KaWaiAwaAwa]

So I read Ray Peat in the evening and decided to try and hold my breath for 10-30 seconds for an hour or so to get a load of CO2 and damn it the next morning I woke up for the first time in over a year with normal eyes and in a couple of days I had no pain in my legs and basically I had no headaches for that month.

There is a method out of Australia that uses this basic approach to control asthma attacks.

 

[goyacobol]

"We must gratefully acknowledge the fact that in this period, in spite of all the horrors of recent history, the light of spiritual
enlightenment shines brighter than ever and is seen by increasing numbers of people. And this is the hope of the world." (T. Hora)

This is an interesting quote. Could you give us a link to reference who is "T. Hora"?

 

[seve]

I’ve wanted to post fir a while and ask how do other people deal with the uncertainty of the future? I know that all is now, and only the present moment exists but I still have bills to pay and relationship to invest in. On the side, to prepare for an apocalyptic type scenario, I have food stores and cultivate a garden but then what if nothing really changes? And we just have to figure out how to stay alive with the continued leeching of our energy until old age and then we have to figure out is it better to die or not. Because how the hell can I afford old age anymore?

Bingo! You have written so well what I think about every day. Yes indeed it creates a kind of paradox in my mind, a heartbeat that plays yo-yo inside and it's confusing. It's a balancing act. Every day I try to calm down the "most beautiful galactic adventure" facet to continue to stick to my daily life. The universe is mischievous and you have to play both sides all the time, staying connected to the matrix while being detached. A balancing act.

 

[Ben]

I find that reading the thread about astrologer Sveltlana Dragan always helps me simply because it presents that a future actually exists. Then I can place myself in that future and get busy working to improve things with the self work and reading accumulating information and assimilating knowledge.

I often think of this exchange with the C's

A: First of all, it is not correct to perceive "everything in such darkness and gloom, etc." That is merely the result of a cocoon of falsehood being removed. Celebrate the balance. Don't mourn the death of an illusion of an imbalance.

Q: (L) Where do I go from here? Where do we all go?

A: Everywhere

It reminds me not to fixate on a very limited perspective of what the 'future' might be, and not to anticipate it.

 

[Magnolia]

This is an interesting quote. Could you give us a link to reference who is "T. Hora"?

Yes, Thomas Hora, MD, describer of Metapsychiatry and author of Beyond the Dream. Hora's findings intersect with some material here. And he makes me laugh, even while he systematically destroys my fantasies. I just stumbled upon him years ago, and am grateful.

Q: (L) What is the truth that Jesus taught?

A: That all men are loved by the creator and are one with same.

(A) Seeking truth means leave your delusions.

 

[Jyggit]

@Jyggit ,

I have been watching some other "yin yang" videos recently too with the torus concept that was impressive. These videos are more numbers oriented but for me, the visualization really does something for me. It made me think of the octave in music being represented by the number 8 and then adding the prime number 1 which gives the 9 which seems to be part of the structuring. It is sort of like I cannot describe it in mathematical terms but visually it makes sense. It is almost like the octave is the pause.

This Is very interresing visualization

@Jyggit ,

I have been watching some other "yin yang" videos recently too with the torus concept that was impressive. These videos are more numbers oriented but for me, the visualization really does something for me. It made me think of the octave in music being represented by the number 8 and then adding the prime number 1 which gives the 9 which seems to be part of the structuring. It is sort of like I cannot describe it in mathematical terms but visually it makes sense. It is almost like the octave is the pause.

this is a very interesting frequency visualization

 

[Novae]

Hello friends,

In connection to this C's session of December 2022, I've created a new thread that some of you might find interesting: Will 2023 be a pivotal year?

I wasn't sure if what's discussed in this new thread should have been posted here or not... Thank you!

 

[Jyggit]

There is a method out of Australia that uses this basic approach to control asthma attacks.

I recommend the Dutchman Wim Hoff, very interresing person.

 

[stellar]

Why talk with humans at all, on first place? Do we talk with our catlle? Why they do, with all their might? But, they do, for some reason.

Perhaps their craving for physicality and wishful thinking has them putting the cart before the horse in their impatience.