Session 10 May 2014

[Laura]

And yes it did not occur to me to search for the english definition of "excitement"

Wetiko strikes again...

 

[mariowil7]

Inspiring reading... Thanks Laura and everibody for this session...

 

[StandingOnTheEdge]

Dear Laura and Forum,

It's been a long time since I've posted. I could give a range of excuses for not doing so, and I apologize for being silent. It touched me deeply at the beginning of the session that Laura expressed deep concern for such lack of participation. But I want to share with you that I have initiated a series of 5 classes here at the University where I work as a training analyst for the staff. I just completed the second class on Emotional Intelligence. I based it on Daniel Goleman's work of the 4 Dimensions of Emotional Intelligence:

• Self-Awareness
• Self-Management
• Social Awareness
• Relationship Management

It's taken me a couple of years to create the curriculum and offer the classes, but I've attracted about 30 staff members to sign up for the class. After yesterday's class, it's becoming clear that there is a solid positive resonance to the material. For the knowledge I am sharing, I humbly thank all of you.

There was a question from one of the participants, who wanted to know the difference of where emotions are coming from...from the inside or from the outside. I hesitated, because I knew a can of worms was about to open, and I momentarily questioned how brave I am to give an answer. But I drew a breath, and I said, "If we take a perspective of our core values, I would say that you come from a position of either 'service to self' or 'service to others'. We are in a world of service to self, but my guess is that if you are working at this institution, that somewhere along the line, you resonated with the core value of 'service to others'. "

Instead of opposition from the group, there were nods all around. I asked the participant if that helped to answer her question, and she said 'yes'. So thank you, thank you, thank you Laura and the C's.

I hope in some small way I am lifting someone onto the ladder. You all have done the same for me.

 

[Meistr]

Hello guys I have a question, is it possible when you invite God or Jesus that you can invite a spirit attachment?

 

[gottathink]

This is somewhat relevant to your question.
Around 20 years ago I was receiving some energy healing Reiki type work from a wonderful practitioner who helped me to help myself. In attempting to participate in this I visualised ' the glorious energy of Jesus' (and note the picture was the white skinned, blond haired bearded dude in flowing white robes many churches depict).
The practitioner stated that whatever it was I was doing created a block. I noticed it in my life. I wonder whether I actually did some damage to myself with that visualisation (over a course of a few years)which I thought at the time I was healing myself. I thought I was energising myself and the effect may have contributed to years of anxiety.

 

[Laura]

Hello guys I have a question, is it possible when you invite God or Jesus that you can invite a spirit attachment?

Sure. Happens a lot, in fact based on my experience with SRT. Worst case of possession I ever encountered was the result of a "faith healing" session a woman underwent at her fundie church.

 

[Hildegarda]

Hello guys I have a question, is it possible when you invite God or Jesus that you can invite a spirit attachment?

Meistr, it is customary for new members to introduce themselves in the Newbies section of the forum. Just a few words about yourself, what's your interest in the forum and the Cs, and how you found it. Once you do it and then go on to read the appropriate sections of the forum, a lot of your questions may be answered by the already existing information. The rest, I am sure, the other forumites would help address in due course.

 

[Minas Tirith]

I can't say how much the last sessions have helped me, truly amazing. Talking about synchronicities ... In every session there were several answers that pertained to struggles in my current life-path. At the moment I have the most stressful time of my life - cannot write here so much, but will, when everything is over - and I don't think I could manage without being Keto and the sessions. Many many thanks.

This was in the May 3rd session

(Menna) Okay, so, I've been introduced to the work about five years ago. I've practiced three or four things, like getting the correct knowledge, EE has had realizable progress in clearing negative emotions, and diet and lifestyle changes and staying away from drinking and drugs has also helped. My question basically is: Is there any other aspect of the Work I can do to help the process or make life more efficient?

A: Helping others to learn and put them on the step behind you.

I was wondering about how to do that outside of the Forum, but I do not have a lot of contacts these days. Then only a few days ago, a friend suddenly expressed interest in the sessions and forum! Truly amazing.

Thank you all again,

M.T.

 

[Dirgni]

(Menna) Okay, so, I've been introduced to the work about five years ago. I've practiced three or four things, like getting the correct knowledge, EE has had realizable progress in clearing negative emotions, and diet and lifestyle changes and staying away from drinking and drugs has also helped. My question basically is: Is there any other aspect of the Work I can do to help the process or make life more efficient?

A: Helping others to learn and put them on the step behind you.

I was wondering about how to do that outside of the Forum, but I do not have a lot of contacts these days. Then only a few days ago, a friend suddenly expressed interest in the sessions and forum! Truly amazing.

Thank you all again,

M.T.

Outside the forum I am trying to discuss topics like diet, health or how crazy the persons in power behave. A lot of persons in my environment still seem to sleep even if they become more aware about some few topics. I like a lot of them and I want keep connection with them. Therefore I do not want to rush this.

 

[Mr. Premise]

MT, it's going to be pretty difficult to help people up the ladder outside the forum because most of them are not on the ladder at all and many don't even want to be. So why not focus on doing it on the forum?

 

[Serendipity]

Outside the forum I am trying to discuss topics like diet, health or how crazy the persons in power behave. A lot of persons in my environment still seem to sleep even if they become more aware about some few topics. I like a lot of them and I want keep connection with them. Therefore I do not want to rush this.

MT, it's going to be pretty difficult to help people up the ladder outside the forum because most of them are not on the ladder at all and many don't even want to be. So why not focus on doing it on the forum?

Unfortunately, that is true about most of the people, and I've experienced that for myself after talking about such topics with few of my university colleagues. I talked about diet, need to remove the poisons from the body, psychopathology, lies in media and politics, 9/11, secret history, earth changes, smoking, soul and reincarnation and other topics.

While talking, I would back up my claims with as much rational explanations and information that I could remember while in the same time do my best to stress the necessity/importance of such information, but still, with no one yet did I get to the point where he or she, out of they own will, would ask me to provide a further reading or the place where to check the data I presented.

That alone would be enough to conclude that those persons didn't listen with full attention and/or weren't interested in presented information, but almost in 100% of cases the persons themselves, during or after the conversation, would exclaim something along the following lines: "Why do you want to know all of that? What good it is to know? I think if you know too much, it will eventually get you and cause you anxiety! (Even) It's better to not know anything, knowledge only stresses you out! etc..", which I took as an expression of choice of the persons in question, and that choice is basically 'ignorance', and until they choose to, first of all 'look for the ladder', it's best to honour their choice/conserve your energy, unless they specifically ask you a question, which can sometimes be done by actions instead of words.

EDIT: I find it interesting that many are indeed listening with a good degree of interest, even if not 100% attentively, but that is as far as it goes for them. Most would never do anything out of their own impetus and will, which means that on some level at least, they chose and continue choosing not to (know or do)! IMO.

 

[Aiming]

MT, it's going to be pretty difficult to help people up the ladder outside the forum because most of them are not on the ladder at all and many don't even want to be. So why not focus on doing it on the forum?

(...) which I took as an expression of choice of the persons in question, and that choice is basically 'ignorance', and until they choose to, first of all 'look for the ladder', it's best to honour their choice/conserve your energy, unless they specifically ask you a question, which can sometimes be done by actions instead of words.

Just a note that even if people ask a specific question, it again depends on the context. Asking with words can still mean it's not true asking, which one can find out soon enough by the way the conversation goes on, or later when they come to talk about the same problem, but haven't followed up on any of one's previous suggestions or pointers. They might for example have picked up on the fact that you like these topics and just want to talk to you, or they might just be "curious", want to be "entertained", or other things along these lines. So, it's also important to discern whether an explicit question is true asking, which is of course tricky, and add to that how good it feels to be helping and thinking 'There, finally someone who's open-minded', which can further blind us towards the person's real intent. So, outside the forum, and when in doubt, it's best to give just general pointers, like recommending books, articles, Sott, etc.

So, as Mr. Premise said, the ladder you're looking for is here on the forum itself.

EDIT: I find it interesting that many are indeed listening with a good degree of interest, even if not 100% attentively, but that is as far as it goes for them. Most would never do anything out of their own impetus and will, which means that on some level at least, they chose and continue choosing not to (know or do)! IMO.

I would doubt that perception. In my experience at least people can be very good at pretending to listen just to be courteous.

 

[Serendipity]

Just a note that even if people ask a specific question, it again depends on the context. Asking with words can still mean it's not true asking, which one can find out soon enough by the way the conversation goes on, or later when they come to talk about the same problem, but haven't followed up on any of one's previous suggestions or pointers. They might for example have picked up on the fact that you like these topics and just want to talk to you, or they might just be "curious", want to be "entertained", or other things along these lines. So, it's also important to discern whether an explicit question is true asking, which is of course tricky, and add to that how good it feels to be helping and thinking 'There, finally someone who's open-minded', which can further blind us towards the person's real intent. So, outside the forum, and when in doubt, it's best to give just general pointers, like recommending books, articles, Sott, etc.

Thanks Aiming, my mistake since I wrote too hastily and ambiguously when I said: "unless they specifically ask you a question". Often people ask with their actions rather than words, and when someone asks with words, like you elaborately explained, it doesn't have to necessary mean that he/she is really asking, but instead may be asking for something completely different depending on their point of being/understanding or could just want to talk, but not really hear, that what at first glance you might think they asked about, but during the conversation and also by knowing the person in question, you can know if that is the case or not.(ADDED: whoah, did I mess up the last sentence! :P)

ADDED: In short, you could assume wrong about what other person is asking, meaning they could be asking for something quite different(from their point of view) then you think(from your point of view)? Or saying they are asking, but not wanting to hear what you may want to say to them?

EDIT: I find it interesting that many are indeed listening with a good degree of interest, even if not 100% attentively, but that is as far as it goes for them. Most would never do anything out of their own impetus and will, which means that on some level at least, they chose and continue choosing not to (know or do)! IMO.

I would doubt that perception. In my experience at least people can be very good at pretending to listen just to be courteous.

Maybe I just don't talk to people much :P Really it's true. Those who I talk with did appear to be fairly interested in hearing what I was saying, again in varying degrees, but probably simply out of boredom and simple curiosity, and as you said pretending, as well. Seems I still have a lot to learn about people.

So, as Mr. Premise said, the ladder you're looking for is here on the forum itself.

I have to agree. Perhaps I mistakenly hoped that if I started talking about such topics in a way that makes them interesting and 'normal', maybe it would have some beneficial effect on someone or perhaps even create an inner spark, so to say.

 

[Kisito]

Dear Laura and Forum,

It's been a long time since I've posted. I could give a range of excuses for not doing so, and I apologize for being silent. It touched me deeply at the beginning of the session that Laura expressed deep concern for such lack of participation. But I want to share with you that I have initiated a series of 5 classes here at the University where I work as a training analyst for the staff. I just completed the second class on Emotional Intelligence. I based it on Daniel Goleman's work of the 4 Dimensions of Emotional Intelligence:

• Self-Awareness
• Self-Management
• Social Awareness
• Relationship Management

It's taken me a couple of years to create the curriculum and offer the classes, but I've attracted about 30 staff members to sign up for the class. After yesterday's class, it's becoming clear that there is a solid positive resonance to the material. For the knowledge I am sharing, I humbly thank all of you.

There was a question from one of the participants, who wanted to know the difference of where emotions are coming from...from the inside or from the outside. I hesitated, because I knew a can of worms was about to open, and I momentarily questioned how brave I am to give an answer. But I drew a breath, and I said, "If we take a perspective of our core values, I would say that you come from a position of either 'service to self' or 'service to others'. We are in a world of service to self, but my guess is that if you are working at this institution, that somewhere along the line, you resonated with the core value of 'service to others'. "

Instead of opposition from the group, there were nods all around. I asked the participant if that helped to answer her question, and she said 'yes'. So thank you, thank you, thank you Laura and the C's.

I hope in some small way I am lifting someone onto the ladder. You all have done the same for me.

Hi , I studied emotions.
This is only my interpretation , but it can perhaps help us.
Emotions do they come from inside or outside ?
I believe they are the interaction between the outside and inside.
Let me explain : Imagine a soul in harmony and who needs nothing . But the soul is not very advanced . If the soul wants to evolve it faces from outside influences. Ie interconnection with the world around us through awareness . This may beings successes or failures.
These external influences are information. This information is not understood by the soul and are rejected at first . These misunderstandings, rejection by the soul which creates the mental and emotions. Emotions are formed as a membrane surrounding our soul. Emotions are knowledge waiting to be assimilated by our soul. And more membrane the soul ( emotions - information) of a being is , the greater the ego and mind are great. A small membrane is a source of balance. However a large membrane to greater learning ability . An emotion is information that is not absorbed by our soul.
So to answer the question , emotions are outside the human soul, but are in the human ego mind and body.

 

[aragorn]

Unfortunately, that is true about most of the people, and I've experienced that for myself after talking about such topics with few of my university colleagues. I talked about diet, need to remove the poisons from the body, psychopathology, lies in media and politics, 9/11, secret history, earth changes, smoking, soul and reincarnation and other topics.

While talking, I would back up my claims with as much rational explanations and information that I could remember while in the same time do my best to stress the necessity/importance of such information, but still, with no one yet did I get to the point where he or she, out of they own will, would ask me to provide a further reading or the place where to check the data I presented.

That alone would be enough to conclude that those persons didn't listen with full attention and/or weren't interested in presented information, but almost in 100% of cases the persons themselves, during or after the conversation, would exclaim something along the following lines: "Why do you want to know all of that? What good it is to know? I think if you know too much, it will eventually get you and cause you anxiety! (Even) It's better to not know anything, knowledge only stresses you out! etc..", which I took as an expression of choice of the persons in question, and that choice is basically 'ignorance', and until they choose to, first of all 'look for the ladder', it's best to honour their choice/conserve your energy, unless they specifically ask you a question, which can sometimes be done by actions instead of words.

EDIT: I find it interesting that many are indeed listening with a good degree of interest, even if not 100% attentively, but that is as far as it goes for them. Most would never do anything out of their own impetus and will, which means that on some level at least, they chose and continue choosing not to (know or do)! IMO.

I would say that it's important to be strategic and use common sense wilhen sharing this kind of information. This applies especially in a working environment, like an university. Even if it feels like "giving up" or "letting it slide", you have to - to a degree - play the game in order to keep your job. I think we all would like to share the truth as much as possible, but knowing how most people are, it's not worth loosing your job. This may sound like giving up, but I see it more like "stalking" or just being strategic; you share bits and pieces of information in a clever way, just enough to get people curious but not too suspicious about you (especially talking to your superiors). Besides, you can spread the truth in many other ways than just by "telling it to their face".

Of course, there can always arise the specific situation where, after evaluating the consequences, you need to take a stand and firmly tell the plain truth.