Session 10 October 2015

JEEP « Reply #284 on: Today at 00:29:13 » said:
Spirit attachment might be one possibility but maybe parasites as well? And as to the safety of the inks, I heard years ago that some people w/ tats were experiencing extreme pain when attempting to have an MRI - apparently components in the ink were reacting and making it impossible to have the procedure performed. I've heard red ink in particular has been problematic.

I think that is happening because some of the inks may contain metals. Red ink can contain some kind of Iron or iron oxide and all those metals react under such a strong magnetic field such us MRI.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445217/

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445217/ said:
The authors present the case of a professional football player with an immediate and sustained cutaneous reaction (“burn”) at the site of lower extremity tattoos that occurred during magnetic resonance imaging of the pelvis. The burn was attributed to an electromagnetic reaction due to the ferromagnetic metallic compounds found in tattoo pigments, especially iron oxide—a reaction that has the potential to distort the field of image. These compounds can theoretically create an electric current that increases the local skin temperature, enough to cause a cutaneous burn. “At risk” tattoos are those with black pigment or any other pigments containing iron oxide, as well as those with a design that displays loops, large circular objects, or multiple adjacent points. Patients who develop this reaction may be treated prophylactically or symptomatically with a cold compress to assist with completion of the examination. Alternatively, a towel or cloth may be placed between the cutaneous body parts in those patients who experience the typical reaction resulting from an electrical arc between 2 separate cutaneous tattoos. This is likely an underreported issue that merits mention in the sports medicine literature given the frequent occurrence of cosmetic tattoos in athletes requiring magnetic resonance imaging to diagnose a musculoskeletal injury. As in the present patient, no permanent sequelae have been noted in the literature. Therefore, patients who develop this reaction should be reassured that the reaction is only temporary.

Another thought that come to my mind while i was writing thi is that if there are some metals in the inks that when they are administered under the skin they are making some kind of circuit that is changing the electromagnetic profile of that person, so that can be an open door for a spirit attachment also.
 
lainey said:
JEEP said:
After my failure to post a response to Hemdallr, I opened Sott to check what was new and there was the Tattoos = Angry People article - talk about synchonicity!
Hello JEEP, do you have a link for the article? I can't seem to find it using the search function.

http://www.sott.net/article/304164-New-study-shows-people-with-tattoos-tend-to-be-angrier

I had to search for it too - "tattoos" did the trick.
 
Konstantin said:
JEEP « Reply #284 on: Today at 00:29:13 » said:
Spirit attachment might be one possibility but maybe parasites as well? And as to the safety of the inks, I heard years ago that some people w/ tats were experiencing extreme pain when attempting to have an MRI - apparently components in the ink were reacting and making it impossible to have the procedure performed. I've heard red ink in particular has been problematic.

I think that is happening because some of the inks may contain metals. Red ink can contain some kind of Iron or iron oxide and all those metals react under such a strong magnetic field such us MRI.

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445217/

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3445217/ said:
The authors present the case of a professional football player with an immediate and sustained cutaneous reaction (“burn”) at the site of lower extremity tattoos that occurred during magnetic resonance imaging of the pelvis. The burn was attributed to an electromagnetic reaction due to the ferromagnetic metallic compounds found in tattoo pigments, especially iron oxide—a reaction that has the potential to distort the field of image. These compounds can theoretically create an electric current that increases the local skin temperature, enough to cause a cutaneous burn. “At risk” tattoos are those with black pigment or any other pigments containing iron oxide, as well as those with a design that displays loops, large circular objects, or multiple adjacent points. Patients who develop this reaction may be treated prophylactically or symptomatically with a cold compress to assist with completion of the examination. Alternatively, a towel or cloth may be placed between the cutaneous body parts in those patients who experience the typical reaction resulting from an electrical arc between 2 separate cutaneous tattoos. This is likely an underreported issue that merits mention in the sports medicine literature given the frequent occurrence of cosmetic tattoos in athletes requiring magnetic resonance imaging to diagnose a musculoskeletal injury. As in the present patient, no permanent sequelae have been noted in the literature. Therefore, patients who develop this reaction should be reassured that the reaction is only temporary.

Another thought that come to my mind while i was writing thi is that if there are some metals in the inks that when they are administered under the skin they are making some kind of circuit that is changing the electromagnetic profile of that person, so that can be an open door for a spirit attachment also.

Yes, it would seem likely that the inks contain metals. I wonder if the MRI problems resulted in a change in composition of tattoo inks? An interesting thought re an impact on electromagnetic profile by metal containing inks.

Tattoos have never appealed to me - I equate them w/ graffiti which to me is unsightly. I have tried to be open-minded about them & not judge those who do choose them although persons very heavily tattooed or w/ death/demon/satanic symbols are obviously broadcasting a personality type that I cannot abide.
 
goyacobol said:
Kisito said:
When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold). "Which of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness to go in search of the lost one until he has found? Luke 15. 3-4 "Which of you, if he has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take it and it removed? However, how humans outweighs the sheep! Matt12. 10-12 ".

Kisito,

I am not sure why you put "When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold)." in front of a biblical quote about a lost sheep.

The previous posts have been "heated" enough I think without a vague reference to 2 very different ideas thrown together without any effort on your part to relate them to the rest of the posts.
Hi Coyacobol, it's sometimes much difficult than being Minimalism :). The métal is Prometeo. We all understood that prometeo is angry. The administrators and supervisors logically reprimanded. But if all the members of the forum throw her stone or heating, this will increase her discomfort. The metal is stabilized at the correct temperature. I followed the discution from the begining, and I have also seen in a previous post that he was already angry, frustrated and seemed to seek indirect help. He is an intelligent boy who did not accept being lost. And I understandthat the administrators an't help everyone.

The parables of the lost sheep and the one that falls on the Sabbath, always refer to Prometeo. The parables say, the most important are not the rules, but the human. Perhaps some may wonder if Prometeo is human, but for the benefit of the doubt, we can try to finf the lost sheep or decreased ? At least if we can not help, we should not, in my opinion, each tell hi he's wrong or push it towards the cliff. The Ego is the thing that grows best. When we are attacked fromm all sides, we are have no discenment. I find the adjustment administrators or moderators legitimate, but sometimes I have the impression that some members rush to reprimand, after a warning from a moderators or administrator, as if for approval lauch their stone or increase their posts. I designed no one in particular and certainly not you. I think you understand what I mean.
 
Timótheos said:
lainey said:

Thanks for the link Lainey. I've ordered some of this cream for myself as well. Here's hoping it works as well as they claim!

I hope it works for you guys. Just perusing the site, the before and after pictures look promising. I also read the FAQ, and these two parts seemed worth highlighting:

Does the age or color of the tattoo matter?

No, the age of your tattoo does not seem to matter with LC. It removes all colors, with darker ones taking longer than lighter ones to fade. There are too many variables to precisely estimate how long tattoo removal treatment will take (i.e. color of tattoo, depth of the ink, type of ink, body chemistry, ext.). You can use LC as long as it takes to get the results you are looking for.

Will I see results in a month?

You may or may not see visible results in the first month. Typically the slowest progress is in the beginning. As the breakdown gets started it should speed up. This is why we recommend at least the six months supply for all but the smallest tattoos.

So don't get impatient when it doesn't work automagically in the first few weeks. I notice looking at the pictures there is a little faded color in the 'After' pictures so it may not get all of everything out, but I do think it's worth it. And just the message to the universe that you are not identified with these images is also something that is important IMO.
 
Kisito said:
goyacobol said:
Kisito said:
When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold). "Which of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness to go in search of the lost one until he has found? Luke 15. 3-4 "Which of you, if he has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take it and it removed? However, how humans outweighs the sheep! Matt12. 10-12 ".

Kisito,

I am not sure why you put "When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold)." in front of a biblical quote about a lost sheep.

The previous posts have been "heated" enough I think without a vague reference to 2 very different ideas thrown together without any effort on your part to relate them to the rest of the posts.
Hi Coyacobol, it's sometimes much difficult than being Minimalism :). The métal is Prometeo. We all understood that prometeo is angry. The administrators and supervisors logically reprimanded. But if all the members of the forum throw her stone or heating, this will increase her discomfort. The metal is stabilized at the correct temperature. I followed the discution from the begining, and I have also seen in a previous post that he was already angry, frustrated and seemed to seek indirect help. He is an intelligent boy who did not accept being lost. And I understandthat the administrators an't help everyone.

The parables of the lost sheep and the one that falls on the Sabbath, always refer to Prometeo. The parables say, the most important are not the rules, but the human. Perhaps some may wonder if Prometeo is human, but for the benefit of the doubt, we can try to finf the lost sheep or decreased ? At least if we can not help, we should not, in my opinion, each tell hi he's wrong or push it towards the cliff. The Ego is the thing that grows best. When we are attacked fromm all sides, we are have no discenment. I find the adjustment administrators or moderators legitimate, but sometimes I have the impression that some members rush to reprimand, after a warning from a moderators or administrator, as if for approval lauch their stone or increase their posts. I designed no one in particular and certainly not you. I think you understand what I mean.

Looking at the silver lining, I think there is a lot to be admired in some of the things displayed, resistance and defiance. It's such qualities that offers people a chance to break free in certain contexts, it creates disturbance and in the chaos evolution and growth happens. A sterile world is one where such qualities don't exist and everything is in equilibrium and nothing changes. Russia for example is displaying some much needed resistance and shaking up the system.

But since we are dealing with humans and humans have so many different sides, a person with such qualities, who is locked into their way of seeing things and who shuts off the flow of new information flooding their system, well it becomes hard to stop them on their tracks if they feel justified. Others from better vantage points who can see motion towards the edge of the cliff are left hopeless to stop the situation from reaching the inevitable conclusion, the person in question, the human, has fallen victim to those qualities which on another day could have saved him. This is sad I guess, but there is silver linings to be found in some of these qualities. Most of us here are here because we resisted the mainstream.

I subjectively think he just had to vent, say what he thought, including the things that would be deemed as disturbing the peace. I don't know what he'll do next, but I wish him the best. Not feeling sorry for him or anything, just hoping it all turns out well I guess. He's a human being so he can decide on whatever conclusion he so chooses and sadly short of physically intervening in his situation, there is not much most of us can do than offer words.
 
Kisito said:
We all understood that prometeo is angry. The administrators and supervisors logically reprimanded.

And indeed they must, for preservation of the greater good.

I actually did not think Prometeo was angry, nor on verge of disintegration. But he was indignant.

Putting it bluntly, he thought some folks were "blowing smoke" ... and it was his duty to point this out.

But the manner he did it made a rational discussion all but impossible. Inspite of that, Laura and others tried. She gave a lengthy reply on "ray of creation" -- the point that vexed him most. It was thorough, honest, and right to the point. Excellent as always. But apparently it went in one ear -- and out the other. By then pride had taken over. Coloring everything that followed.

The ironic part is that some of his complaints have merit. And those that are not Admins or Mods ought to think twice, or even three times, before leaping in. Your responsibility isn't the same as Admins and Mods. And it does not reflect well on someone who pulls the trigger too quickly. A lack of mental discipline.

Lastly, I think (I hope) Prometeo will benefit from some quiet introspection. For someone who's had the privilege of posting over one thousand eight hundred comments on this forum, the accusation of our close-mindedness is just plain silly.

FWIW.
 
Thank you, Laura & team. I continue to be drawn to your work and appreciate the information that is shared and there are times that I feel validated by my own experience. I am making and taking small steps daily.
 
Kisito said:
goyacobol said:
Kisito said:
When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold). "Which of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness to go in search of the lost one until he has found? Luke 15. 3-4 "Which of you, if he has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take it and it removed? However, how humans outweighs the sheep! Matt12. 10-12 ".

Kisito,

I am not sure why you put "When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold)." in front of a biblical quote about a lost sheep.

The previous posts have been "heated" enough I think without a vague reference to 2 very different ideas thrown together without any effort on your part to relate them to the rest of the posts.
Hi Coyacobol, it's sometimes much difficult than being Minimalism :). The métal is Prometeo. We all understood that prometeo is angry. The administrators and supervisors logically reprimanded. But if all the members of the forum throw her stone or heating, this will increase her discomfort. The metal is stabilized at the correct temperature. I followed the discution from the begining, and I have also seen in a previous post that he was already angry, frustrated and seemed to seek indirect help. He is an intelligent boy who did not accept being lost. And I understandthat the administrators an't help everyone.

The parables of the lost sheep and the one that falls on the Sabbath, always refer to Prometeo. The parables say, the most important are not the rules, but the human. Perhaps some may wonder if Prometeo is human, but for the benefit of the doubt, we can try to finf the lost sheep or decreased ? At least if we can not help, we should not, in my opinion, each tell hi he's wrong or push it towards the cliff. The Ego is the thing that grows best. When we are attacked fromm all sides, we are have no discenment. I find the adjustment administrators or moderators legitimate, but sometimes I have the impression that some members rush to reprimand, after a warning from a moderators or administrator, as if for approval lauch their stone or increase their posts. I designed no one in particular and certainly not you. I think you understand what I mean.

Kisito,

Thank you for your explanation. I agree that we don't need to add "fuel to the fire" so to speak. I think it makes us realize none of us here are perfect. I do think after being here for awhile I have seen both of your concepts being acted out. Some of us have programs that lean to one of these two directions or the other (and shades in between too).

Hopefully, as whole we gain more balance and also change our programs towards balance. Sometimes we can be too harsh and sometimes we can be too lenient in our reactions. When moderators/administrators give advice, caution flags and try to provide a probably needed mirror to any of us it is open and public for all to see. That does bring out others' reactions as well. I kind of look at it now as an opportunity for all of us to learn. It shows not only what is in the person being cautioned but what may be in our own set of programs.

After watching the "hot spots" that flare up from time to time, I do see why some of the final "mirror" remarks are not taken well by those in front of the mirror. They often seem harsh/cruelly honest and truth sometimes is not so easy to accept. I appreciate both aspects which you mention and I am still working to balance them in my life as well.

Thanks Kisito. :)
 
Heimdallr said:
Timótheos said:
lainey said:

Thanks for the link Lainey. I've ordered some of this cream for myself as well. Here's hoping it works as well as they claim!

I hope it works for you guys. Just perusing the site, the before and after pictures look promising. I also read the FAQ, and these two parts seemed worth highlighting:

Does the age or color of the tattoo matter?

No, the age of your tattoo does not seem to matter with LC. It removes all colors, with darker ones taking longer than lighter ones to fade. There are too many variables to precisely estimate how long tattoo removal treatment will take (i.e. color of tattoo, depth of the ink, type of ink, body chemistry, ext.). You can use LC as long as it takes to get the results you are looking for.

Will I see results in a month?

You may or may not see visible results in the first month. Typically the slowest progress is in the beginning. As the breakdown gets started it should speed up. This is why we recommend at least the six months supply for all but the smallest tattoos.

So don't get impatient when it doesn't work automagically in the first few weeks. I notice looking at the pictures there is a little faded color in the 'After' pictures so it may not get all of everything out, but I do think it's worth it. And just the message to the universe that you are not identified with these images is also something that is important IMO.
Thanks Heimdallr, I hope it does too. It's time for me to "get real" about the way I present myself and send a message about where my priorities lie.
Of course it is something that is going to take time but IMO it will be worth the effort.
I read the FAQ section of the website too. It takes about 7 months to get the effect shown in the pictures. The site did offer a money back guarantee so I am hopeful for good results.

JEEP said:
lainey said:
JEEP said:
After my failure to post a response to Hemdallr, I opened Sott to check what was new and there was the Tattoos = Angry People article - talk about synchonicity!
Hello JEEP, do you have a link for the article? I can't seem to find it using the search function.

http://www.sott.net/article/304164-New-study-shows-people-with-tattoos-tend-to-be-angrier

I had to search for it too - "tattoos" did the trick.
Thanks for the link JEEP, it made for interesting reading, especially the part about women having significantly higher anger problems. I've been doing a lot of restorative yoga recently and perhaps that has helped to release the anger I was holding on to which means I no longer feel the need to hold onto the tattoos.
 
Laura said:
Session Date: October 10th 2015

Laura, Andromeda, and Galatea at the board

Pierre, Perceval, Niall, Chu, PoB (Possibility of Being), Data, Scottie, Approaching Infinity, Timótheos, Alana, Heimdallr, Nicolas, Noko the Wonderdog, Kitty the Cat

Q: (L) Today is the 10th of October, 2015. I guess we should ask if anybody's there?

A: Alogmgna of Cassiopaea. Many changes in process and more to come.


Q: (L) So it's accumulation of daily steps, daily choices, daily activities?

A: Yes and it would be extremely beneficial if more of your members learned and practiced this.


(Perceval) Changes in your mode of self-presentation is kind of like what you identify with, ya know? It gets into what we were just talking about earlier. If a person is wearing clothes that identify him with a certain aspect of common popular culture, then if you are at odds with the world at large because of the insanity and suffering, that would be one of the first things to change: you identification with “popular culture”.

(L) So in other words, if you are not at home in the world the way it is and the way it has grown and the way it has developed, you need to put yourself into a different world NOW with small changes.

(Perceval) And at least stop identifying with this one. All the aspects that popular culture today pushes on people as means to identify with the reality of this world and what makes it tick - which is all kind of depraved and dysfunctional... And people absorb that and they start wearing clothes, and speaking differently, and that's all nothing but identifying with a manufactured aspect of this world and culture.

(L) Hairdos, clothing...

(Perceval) Anything.

(L) If you want to be part of a completely different world... In a sense, it's kinda like some of these people that belong to these organizations that like medieval stuff. So, they all get dressed up, and they have meetings, they have mock battles or whatever.

Paris is traitorous for pushing the general population (subliminal thoughts ?) that this activity (below) has merits. You see ordinary people attempting to emulate this idea on a world wide agenda.
Never really understood it. :huh:


The Emerging Trends - Boston Fashion Week {by The SYNERGY Events}
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9kmu59_Iak

Sherri Hill New York Fashion Week - Spring 2013 Collection
_https://youtu.be/K6kFiq2MZQo

Academy of Art University | Spring 2015 Collections at Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week at Lincoln Center
_https://youtu.be/CxpVI12lZ4U


Modern Modesty Controversies

http://www.covenanteyes.com/2013/08/16/biblical-definition-of-modesty/
Paul on Modesty: 1 Timothy 2:8-10

“I desire…that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.“

Christian women should concern themselves with modesty because the Bible does. This text is a primary example.

(For the purposes of this article, I am writing about women because Paul is writing about women in these verses. I recognize that men should also embrace modesty.)


1. Modesty is not anti-pretty


At the outset, we should take note that Paul is not anti-adornment. The force of his statement is positive: “women should adorn themselves.” These are not the words of an anti-fashion prude. The same word “adorn” is used to speak of a bride beautifying herself for her husband (Revelation 21:2). It is a term that expresses being ornamented, well-kempt, and put in order.

The question for Paul isn’t about whether a woman should ornament her body, but how.

2. Modesty is about who you worship

In the context, Paul is talking about how women should prepare themselves for gathering at church. Women are commanded to adorn themselves in a way that is fitting for worship. If they “profess godliness”—that is, they desire to show God honor and reverence—how should they dress?

Paul puts his finger on the trigger of the problem. In Ephesus, the original destination of this letter, the cultural elite were known for their gaudy and extravagant wardrobes, their elaborate hair styles, and their expensive clothing that communicated extraordinary wealth. Paul paints a picture of this for the Ephesians Christians and says, “Don’t mimic that. When you come to church, come dressed in a way that shows you desire to the attention to be on God, not yourself.”

A person’s manner of dress, or even their preoccupation with clothing itself (Matthew 6:28-30), is often indicative of a heart that loves self more than God.

3. Modesty is about behavior and attitude, not just clothing

When Paul says that women should wear “respectable apparel,” the term “apparel” is probably translated too narrowly: it is a term that encompasses not just clothing, but one’s whole demeanor, attitude, and actions.

Ultimately, what should adorn a woman is not just clothing but “good works.” As Christians, we are being remade by God for good works (Ephesians 2:10). Christ died so that we might be zealous for good works (Titus 2:14). Women should seek to dress their lives in works that do good to others, marked with godly love.

This means modesty is not simply about what we wear, but how we act, how we communicate, and how relate to others.

4. Modesty shows sensitivity to sin

In this text Paul says a woman’s apparel should be worn with “modesty.” Other translation opt for the word “decency.” The King James Version translates this “shamefacedness,” which gets more to the heart of the word.

It is talking about a demeanor of reverence, showing respect to oneself and a regard for others. It even carries the connotation of “bashful.” Connected to the term “shame,” the word implies the idea of grief over sin that is in the world—that a woman would be so sensitive to sin, knowing that sin is offensive to God, that she would never come close to trying to provoke it in others.

No, a woman is not guilty of a man’s lust if she dresses with the intention to allure him. Let him account for his sins. But she is guilty of a lack of shamefacedness, for treating sin lightly. A heart of modesty is motivated by a love for one’s fellow man.

5. Modesty involves cultural discretion

Paul didn’t just paint broad strokes when talking about modesty; he gave specifics. He said braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire were out of place for a truly modest woman.

Some knowledge of Roman culture is helpful for understanding what Paul is saying. In Paul’s day, Greek hairstyles for women were fairly simple: hair was parted in the middle and pinned in the back. But a culture change was sweeping the region. Women in the imperial household were wearing their hair with elaborate curls and braids, covered in expensive ornaments. The elite throughout the empire copied this style.

For Paul, the appearance of braids and ornaments was more about what the fashion communicated. They carried connotations of imperial luxury and conjured up images of notoriously immoral Empresses like Valeria Messalina and Poppeaea Sabina, ancient equivalents of Cosmopolitan cover girls.

The poet Juvenal, a contemporary of Paul, gives a vivid description of this cultural trend:

“There is nothing that a woman will not permit herself to do. Nothing that she deems shameful. And when she encircles her neck with green emeralds and fastens huge pearls to her elongated ears, so important is the business of beautification. So numerous are the tiers and stories piled one another on her head that she pays no attention to her own husband.”

Similarly, the philosopher Philo gives a description of a prostitute in his writing called “The Sacrifices of Cain and Abel”:

“A prostitute is often described as having hair dressed in elaborate braids, her eyes with pencil lines, her eyebrows smothered in paint and her expensive clothes embroidered lavishly with flowers and bracelets and necklaces of gold and jewels hanging all over her.”

Paul’s description of immodest dress conjured a picture of someone preoccupied with appearance, fashion, luxury, and sexual prowess. Similarly, modern modesty standards are not about arbitrary rules of how much skin is shown or how low-cut something is, but about the messages and values our clothing communicates.

6. Modesty is about true freedom, not repression

More often than not, modesty standards are seen as repressive, arbitrary rules that restrict a woman’s creativity and freedom. But when modesty is motivated from the heart, the exact opposite is true.

Paul says women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel with “self-control.” This might be better understood as “self-mastery,” being of sound mind or sober, being in control of one’s impulses and appetites. In extra-biblical literature, this word has sexual nuances: being able to totally control your romantic and erotic desires.

Habitual immodesty is often, though not always, a kind of slavery. A woman may be enslaved by her desire to attract a man. She might define her worth by her fashion sense, her sex appeal, her image, her bust size, her weight, or the brand names she wears. This kind of slavery is widespread because sin impacts us all, and in today’s sexually charged, media-saturated culture, many women fall prey to this kind of slavery.

But as Christians we are free from the slavery of sin because we are united to Christ. Paul exhorts us to live out this freedom: “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions” (Romans 6:12). When it comes to modest dress, we can follow Paul’s next statement quite literally: Do not present the members of your body to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present your members to God as instruments for righteousness (v.13). Paul wants Christian woman to have self-mastery in their wardrobe choices, to be totally free from worldly ways of defining worth, beauty, and sexiness.

Ironically, it is not just those who are scantily dressed that are enslaved, but even those who pride themselves on their modesty. “Modest is hottest,” they say, unaware that in their own hearts, they are still enslaved to a preoccupation with their physical image, still defining their worth by their outward adornment.
 
Prometeo said:
One day Laura said one thing about, I don't remember the place, it was about the STO candidates being the social ones and the STS ones being the isolationists, by the time I read this, damn if I didn't feel very sad, because I already was feeling bad and for reasons I felt I needed to stay alone, this Laura's statement made me feel worse. :lol: that was funny, because it happened close to the day a storm tored down their trees, very very close to that time. But I've come to terms with it, probably I'm not a STO candidate, which I don't think forbids someone of this so called "objective perception", and end up being one demon. Which doesn't make me agree with those 4th STS guys anyways, I actually dislike anything that might appear to be STS, the more STS the more ridiculous things are, including all of humanity. But anyway heaven has never been a place for me, if I am an STS dude that will achieve a higher state this way, so be it. One can always find ways to come to terms with it.
Don't feel the need to. I'll just find more... gentle ways to express myself.
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At least I can be thankful for the knowledge references shared in the forum, but I think I'm becoming less and less collinear here. Isn't that ironic?
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Sheshh, even if I will be happy in another place does not mean to absolute stop the interaction here. As if happyness is defined by your preferred forum
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Pathological individuals is one important thing I learned here
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the female mod who if I remember correctly send me a private message threatening with something, I don't remember.
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In fear of receiving the :wrongbar: or some banhammer, I want to make some last questionings and some statements.
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My father being a genius doctor did tried the best to wound me, he even got angry and said Laura was a manipulative cult dictator, and because I defended her I won his enemistry.
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The original statement was that you cannot understand the ray of creation through the STS lens, and from there the stuff began.
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So much for the STO candidates right, giving what is asked.

Prometeo, it may be that you arrived at one of the most important line in your learning and research, and justly
it's the moment to fear nothing, and follow your heart, and to tell us in your gentle ways how you can express yourself.
The networking is a multipurpose tool, i don't think that you want to be a dude that will achieve a higher state this way, because
as you know you actually dislike anything that might appear to be STS.
 
BHelmet said:
c.a. said:
Paul on Modesty: 1 Timothy 2:8-10
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I thought the general consensus of biblical scholars was that Paul did not write Timothy

Yeah, Paul didn't write Timothy. SOME of the essay hits home, and the part about the extravagant and totally shameless behavior of Messalina and Poppaea is true.

However, IMO, pretty, comfortable clothing, a bit of enhancing make-up and jewelry aren't the problem. It's when it is taken to excess I guess.
 
Laura said:
BHelmet said:
c.a. said:
Paul on Modesty: 1 Timothy 2:8-10
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I thought the general consensus of biblical scholars was that Paul did not write Timothy

Yeah, Paul didn't write Timothy. SOME of the essay hits home, and the part about the extravagant and totally shameless behavior of Messalina and Poppaea is true.

However, IMO, pretty, comfortable clothing, a bit of enhancing make-up and jewelry aren't the problem. It's when it is taken to excess I guess.

c.a.,

I think maybe BHelmet and Laura have good points. Maybe you are going a little biblical with the idea of "self-presentation and self-representation" especially after all the historical research Laura is doing to find the real sources for the creation of biblical texts. Actually in the session the Cs never mentioned modesty although I think there is a place for that in our lives.

Session 10 October 2015
Q: (L) Alright. So, when I gave these talks here at these meetings we had a few years ago, and I described making a decision to help and just do one thing after another, day after day; in making such choices one day after the other, will this gradually move you step-by-step to a different timeline?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So it's accumulation of daily steps, daily choices, daily activities?

A: Yes and it would be extremely beneficial if more of your members learned and practiced this.

Q: (L) Can you be more specific about that?

A: For those who find themselves in a life situation that is less than desirable or optimal, small daily acts that declare their affinity for another reality will accumulate and trigger a phase transition.

Q: (L) Well, okay... You've said steps, daily steps. You don't like the reality that you're in so you look around yourself and you see things about your reality that you don't like... I mean, what kind of first daily steps can you take? If you're in a reality that's freaking controlling you and everything around you, how can you take steps? So many people are in situations where they can't even do that sort of thing. What kind of steps can people take at the most basic level?

One of the first suggestions mentioned before "self-presentation and self-representation" is the importance of accumulation of daily steps, daily choices and daily activities as Laura was thinking. The Cs are saying it would be extremely beneficial for us to learn and practice this. I suppose if we are immodest we could be more modest and that could manifest in other behaviors besides how we dress. Changing incrementally and determining how to "declare our affinity for another reality" I suppose could be either individually and/or a group effort. For example, if you hate pollution don't throw your cigarette butts on the ground (maybe pick some up once in awhile). That's not a great example I know.

Session 10 October 2015
A: Changing the mode of self-presentation and self-representation is the most basic.

Q: (Galatea) So like, changing habits?

A: Yes

Now we get to "self-presentation and self-representation". :oops:, now it's getting tricky. Changing habits is not so much fun sometimes. I am going to chicken out and quote some more now:

Session 10 October 2015
Q: (Galatea) Changes in lifestyle here and there.

(L) Yeah, changes in your lifestyle?

(Perceval) Changes in your mode of self-presentation is kind of like what you identify with, ya know? It gets into what we were just talking about earlier. If a person is wearing clothes that identify him with a certain aspect of common popular culture, then if you are at odds with the world at large because of the insanity and suffering, that would be one of the first things to change: you identification with “popular culture”.

(L) So in other words, if you are not at home in the world the way it is and the way it has grown and the way it has developed, you need to put yourself into a different world NOW with small changes.

(Perceval) And at least stop identifying with this one. All the aspects that popular culture today pushes on people as means to identify with the reality of this world and what makes it tick - which is all kind of depraved and dysfunctional... And people absorb that and they start wearing clothes, and speaking differently, and that's all nothing but identifying with a manufactured aspect of this world and culture.

(L) Hairdos, clothing...

(Perceval) Anything

I don't have all the answers in how to label and identify "popular culture" and what parts are "depraved and dysfunctional" but once we get some ideas flowing maybe it will help us make some needed adjustments to our "lifestyles". The main emphasis seems to be on moving away from the current depraved reality timeline to one that is sane and balanced. Just the thought that we might be able to move to another/better timeline is extremely encouraging to me. :bacon:

I can only think about Tweeting more SOTT articles everyday right now. I am not exactly "hip" or "hop" in the clothing department but maybe I can do better in some "fashion" ;).

The good part may be when Perceval said "Anything". That leaves a lot of room to expand I think. :wow:
 

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