Session 10 October 2015

[Joe]

Yes. This reminds me of that guy who kept believing on some aryan superiority, lisa guilanni, anartt, and so on and so on. Like the 3 other guys who did the alien videos, and the female mod who if I remember correctly send me a private message threatening with something, I don't remember. All of them received quite support from the network. Interesting.

Yes, it is interesting. That support was, in fact, the process through which their "psychological instability" was revealed while simultaneously not dismissing them out of hand.

 

[Buddy]

So, back to business then, eh?

So much for the STO candidates right, giving what is asked.

All asking is not only semantic, or the literal meaning of words produced with the mouth. You are being given what you are asking for, but you may not understand that for awhile.

Yep, you can call me childhish, criticize me and judge, I'm not perfect.

You're not a victim and you know it, but your behavior suggests "obstinate" as the word to describe resistance to a flow.

You can also ask the elders why and from who did they came up with the ideas of magnetizing, the chaos for creation, awareness as part of the work,

I don't need to ask 'elders' anything right now, nor do I ask many questions at all. The metaphor of 'magnetic' center comes out of Gurdjieff's, Mourieff's and other's cosmology and G has a more detailed explication of his reciprocal maintaince concept that, when it reaches a certain level, takes a turn of thought into the far reaches of the universe and back to explain why "god" must always be active in creation in order to survive the ravages of anarchaic time. DCM is dynamic. Here, the source of the hermetic axiom "as above, so below" becomes apparent and it's value on our local context becomes clearer. You will come to understand this stuff better if you will just study it.

and that you were a bit structured.

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Did someone say you were a bit too structured? Did that mean too rigid and not amenable to change? I don't know.

 

[Kisito]

When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold). "Which of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness to go in search of the lost one until he has found? Luke 15. 3-4 "Which of you, if he has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take it and it removed? However, how humans outweighs the sheep! Matt12. 10-12 ".

 

[Psalehesost]

I don't think, at this point, that this post is likely to end up useful for Prometeo. But in any case, maybe it could be useful for other readers.

I still don't get it, one person tells me you need to explain things simple, another that you cannot ask for simple explanations.

Laura has mentioned the usefulness of explaining things in simple words, rather than technical jargon that people are unfamiliar with, which is generally a good idea if you want as many readers as possible to be able to understand what you write.

The use of simple words does not, however, always mean simple concepts, nor quick and simple answers. Many things are complex, and complex things can often be explained in simple terms, but then the explanation will probably be longer than just a few lines.

And for practical reasons, at least a few key concepts - such as STS and STO - will eventually need their own 'technical' terms, otherwise the text that people write would get ridiculously long. (Which is one of the reasons why people are pointed to basic recommended reading, so that they can get up to speed on the meaning of such terms, and so be able to follow and participate in discussions using those terms or where the thinking revolves around their meaning.)

Another thing that Laura has mentioned is a ridiculous conversation she once had, where a person wanted her to explain it all - the whole meaning, or 'secret', of everything - in 25 words or less. Obviously, that can't be done. (And besides, Laura doesn't claim to 'understand it all', the work which she and others here do being an open-ended journey of learning.) Though to clarify, you could perhaps 'say it all' in a few words, by repeating a few more abstract and 'philosophical' statements, such as "All there is is lessons." - but this certainly does not convey the understanding of those concepts. And the understanding is what the person wanted, or demanded, to be in some way transferred into her mind through the use of 25 words or less.

Could you then explain me how STS and STO concepts are not black & white conceptualizations?

Of course STS and STO, in themselves, are black and white. What isn't, is the complicated world we live in, as well as our complicated selves.

We have the black and white concepts, but the real challenge is to learn how they relate to the complex reality of ourselves and our environment. And how do they relate to it? This is where context, and moving beyond black and white thinking, is crucial. And building our understanding in this regard, and putting our understanding into practice, is basically what the Work - the work of a lifetime, for each sincere participant - is about.

The forum has claimed to be a place to support sort some of ideal of freedom and helpful, and that is not the case as long as some members do not agree with the forum's standards. [...] If you will promote the forum, you can promote the guidelines along the links so that some folks don't get dissapointed when they come here.

Well, should people who don't fully agree immediately be kicked out? Why do that, as long as they don't derail the interactions which people have? (And how could we even know who 'fully agrees' and who doesn't?) Or, do you think it is possible to ever come up with standards which everyone would be happy with? This is not some kind of unrealistic virtual utopia - and we don't claim that it is - but rather, like all other communities, it is for whoever joins and then fits into it. And since the forum guidelines are presented to each new member when they sign up, it should be kind of obvious what to expect in that regard when interacting here.

 

[FrankM4326754]

Thank you for sharing! Another great session, curious to see how the rest of October shakes out.. Time will tell.

 

[Buddy]

On tattoos...

One thing that occurs to me about tattoos is this: if the act is reflective of anger, frustration, hurt, or even just wanting to be part of a "tattooing crowd", the tattoo sort of anchors that energy to the body in a permanent way. You can't fully release the anger, frustration, or hurt without making the tattoo go away also. And you can't move from the "tattooing crowd" to a different social group so easily without also removing the tattoos.

I never thought about it that way. When I was in the military I got one but had it placed where it wouldn't be visible while wearing a T-shirt, but would if wearing an A-Shirt (tank top). It was a stupid decision, really, and I was never fully "proud" of it, just wanted to have another thing in common with my buddies. This was in 1981 and I told the artist it was the only one I would ever get. When I mentioned this fact along with it's cost to my buddies, I was teased for being "ripped off." Oh well, young and dumb.

When I got out of the service, I wanted to remove it but no way was I going to deface my skin anymore, so the idea of removal has been something that's just been simmering on the back burner of my mind for many years. Maybe a removal cream will do the trick, but the one I want to try isn't available yet. Maybe I'll spend some time looking into how it's supposed to work while waiting for it to become available. And maybe I'll find one to try even sooner.

 

[mabar]

So much for the STO candidates right, giving what is asked. Yep, you can call me childhish, criticize me and judge, I'm not perfect. You can also ask the elders why and from who did they came up with the ideas of magnetizing, the chaos for creation, awareness as part of the work, and that you were a bit structured.

So that you know, you invite people openly so then express things things like "this is your fault for not reading the guidelines". An open forum you are not.

Prometeo, to whom you are addressing your above post?, I agree to what Chu and others that had been expressing about regarding your latest behaviour, and as Casper mentioned, it seems to me too, is like another you.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Prometeo]I demanded precise answers.[/quote]

You can’t get precise answers on a theory. It’s work in progress.

[quote author=Prometeo]Bottom line is bjorn, you really don't know if that's true?[/quote]

See:

[quote author=bjorn]Different research material describe the laws or how creation functions. It’s just trying to complete the puzzle[/quote]

Puzzle= is not being sure. Trying to work it out.

[quote author=Prometeo]I mean, how sure are you to claim those things. For a forum who praises science, some of their members appear to ignore it when convenient[/quote]

Are you done now? Several times now you used me as your prime example why this forum is somehow not science based. But nobody here claimed to have the definite answers of ‘’The Ray of Creation’’ So their goes your argument.

[quote author=Prometeo]My problem was that "lizzies don't know they ray of creation" stuff, I mean, did the guy did an interview to a lizzie to know what they do or do not know?[/quote]

What I actually said was:

[quote author=bjorn]They may 'understand' it but they would not be able to realize its importance. Big difference.[/quote]

According to the concept ‘’they ray of creation’’, includes=: How creation should properly function. If you think that the Lizzie’s are lovely enough to realize that it’s not okay to hurt others. Fine, I just don’t they are and find this indeed logically. They ''serve self to the extreme’’ Not really the definition of a kind person.

[quote author= Prometeo]Then a newbie says their problem and they totally contradict themselves with "we cannot help you, go to a professional" and things like that[/quote]

Forums are limited. You think some lines of text placed by someone on the other side of the world would be enough to evaluate someone who has serious problems? Of course not, help is offered but only where possible.



I should have paid more attention. There were enough hints that you were not really asking. Take it or leave it but here is my observation:

You asked for the source material of ‘’They Ray of Creation’’ and it was shared. If you were truly sincerely asking you would have searched up the research material shared and came back later with your view on it.

You didn’t. You kept nit-picking on me. Major clue that this was your goal along.

And you still do. You are not sincerely asking. You are just provoking answers on which you can continue to nit-pick hoping to find ways to somehow ‘prove’ how right you are and how dead-wrong this forum is. Searching for a ‘decent’ way to bid your farewell.


- Guidelines clearly states to be polite. You mentioned ‘lol’ among other things several times now. If you think that laughing at the ideas of others is being polite you are dead wrong.

 

[John G]

So much for the STO candidates right, giving what is asked. Yep, you can call me childhish, criticize me and judge, I'm not perfect. You can also ask the elders why and from who did they came up with the ideas of magnetizing, the chaos for creation, awareness as part of the work, and that you were a bit structured.

So that you know, you invite people openly so then express things things like "this is your fault for not reading the guidelines". An open forum you are not.

You once replied to someone on the forum with this quote from the Cass glossary:

The Cassiopaea material divides the human into the physical body, consciousness, the genetic body, and spirit/etheric body. The material does not go particularly deep into their functions or delineations. From the context of usage we could infer that the C's etheric is whatever survives between incarnations, corresponding to Steiner's I and parts of astral. The genetic would probably correspond to Steiner's etheric, meaning an information field whose presence separates living from inanimate matter and consciousness would correspond to transient parts of I and astral. Such comparisons are however of little practical consequence.

As your quote implies, there's a lot of abstract stuff that abstract people can get into that's mostly just information field related and not overly practical. For practical, there was something good that Ben Franklin did that's been mentioned on this forum. I think the idea here is to keep the noise/debate/venting in the swamp. They basically operate this place like moderated research forums I've been to and that can include a lot of sourcing (like what you did with your Cass glossary quote) and certain canned responses. I definitely act differently here than I do on Facebook or Amazon forums. We are all STS and narcissistic basically and lots of us including me have had to be mirrored here; some things for me may have to wait till the next incarnation; I'm kind of too abstract, too stuck on feel good habits, and too introverted to do a lot of things that would be helpful.

 

[goyacobol]

When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold). "Which of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness to go in search of the lost one until he has found? Luke 15. 3-4 "Which of you, if he has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take it and it removed? However, how humans outweighs the sheep! Matt12. 10-12 ".

Kisito,

I am not sure why you put "When heating the metal increases its temperature and it can not cool (not cold)." in front of a biblical quote about a lost sheep.

The previous posts have been "heated" enough I think without a vague reference to 2 very different ideas thrown together without any effort on your part to relate them to the rest of the posts.

If you are thinking about "sheep" you might want to re-read this part of the Wave:

Alex Jones and 911 Scholars: The Parable of the Good Shepherd

‘They saw a Samaritan carrying a lamb and going to Judea. [Jesus] said to his disciples, “Why is he carrying the lamb around?” They said to him, “So that he may kill it and eat it.” He said to them, “He will not eat it while it is alive, but only after it has been killed and has become a carcass.” They said, “it cannot happen any other way.” He said to them, “So also with you: seek a place of rest for yourselves, that you may not become a carcass and be eaten.” Gospel of Thomas

Laura also had another story from Gurdjieff about sheep in the Wave series:

Discernment Or Machiavelli and the ETs Part 2 – The World Inside the Devil

This, of course, takes us to Gurdjieff’s story of the Evil Magician:

“There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.

“At last the magician found a remedy. He hypnotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.

“And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins.” [Quoted by P.I. Ouspensky, In Search of the Miraculous]

We ought to note particularly the fact that Evil Magician in the tale suggested to some men that they were “magicians.”

Maybe if the sheep want to get away from the shepherd it could be a wise move depending on the shepherd. And I am not sure this is a time to be sheepish.

 

[goyacobol]

The original statement was that you cannot understand the ray of creation through the STS lens, and from there the stuff began.


There may be a lot of truth in that statement.
We must remember RA words that stated that 3D STS is not a density of truth or understanding. Therefore one can only catch glimmers of truth.
We very warey of "teachers" who want to Show you the door. They have no real understanding other than their own self exultation.
A student will always seek answers and they will always seem "silly" to some.
My advice is to seek a teacher one on one, rather than this self exalting forum/discussion.

It is very clear to me that if the "student" (you feels put down, frustrated, or unlistened too, then it is the teacher who is responsible for this and not the student.
Seek a one on oe discussion with a "techer" who knows that he is a student as well. There is already too much sts here.

Mememe45,

Why "must" we remember anything. Is it compulsory to remember something that maybe only some have read? It would be nice if you at least give a chapter reference to the RA material.

Using your paraphrasing I could not locate anything above in the RA material. Then you use your paraphrases to condemn and characterize moderators/admisitrators as:

"We very warey of "teachers" who want to Show you the door. They have no real understanding other than their own self exultation."

If you feel that way why are you still here?

 

[Laura]

Just want to express my genuine awe at the amazing level of insight & wisdom that forum members continue to disseminate - I'm blown away & feel so fortunate to be even a small part of it all.

p.s. I wrote the last part BEFORE I caught up w/ recent postings - Hoo boy!!!
Is it possible that we're witnessing an actual 'disintegration'?!! Or has a spiritual attachment/parasites taken control?

I think you have nailed it. It's quite amazing to see full blown Dunning-Kruger on display.

 

[Neil]

Well, I'll throw my two cents into this discussion. Although I can't speak much for the underlying causes of his litigiousness, Prometeo's overly emotional and uncalled for reaction does seem to revolve around a perceived "inductive leap" regarding Bjorn's remark about "Lizzies don't understand ray of creation." I thought it could use a little bit of exposition, although it was fairly clear to me what he meant and I didn't see a need to comment on it right away, but there are some nuances contained within that which change the equation somewhat if overlooked. I'll open with a few Cassiopaean snippets:

Q: (L) There was a discussion the other day and it made me curious. It seems that some people simply do not havethe capacity to understand certain concepts. Is this a function of vibrational frequency?
A: That is not quite hitting at the subject matter in the way in which you desire to answer the question. In other words, it is a parallel understanding pattern. It is not vibrational frequency that determines ability to conceive of any particular notion. Vibrational frequency involves the groove, or pattern, that one has chosen in general terms. But, to give you an example, there are those who are of very LOW, as you would measure, vibrational frequency, who are able to conceive of extremely complicated issues and have also discovered extremely precise, complicated, and intricate answers to very complex notions and problems from your standpoint in the illusion. But, the frequency vibrational level has more to do with the emotional path that leads either to Service to Self at its greatest possible expression, or Service to Others at its greatest possible expression, not with intellectual capacity. So it is possible for a completely STS individual at any density level to be completely cognizant of all existence, just as it is possible for a completely STO individual to be completely cognizant of all existence. It has nothing to do with vibrational frequency because that is the emotional pathway.

The part about emotional pathway is important. The level of knowledge can be very high for both STS and STO beings, the difference is in how it's applied. Then there is this oft repeated quote:

Q: (L) As four dimensional probes, what are their capabilities?
A: They have all the same capabilities of the Lizard beings except for the fact that their physical appearance is entirely different and they do not have souls of their own and also their biological structure is internally different. But, their functioning is the same and in order to remain as projection beings they also must absorb nutrients in the same fashion both spiritually and physically as the Lizard beings do. The reason the negative energy is necessary fuel is that the Lizard beings and the Grays are both living in the fourth level of density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in serving only self as these entities do. So, therefore, they must absorb negative energy because the fourth level of density is the highest example of self service which is a negative thought pattern. The fourth level of density is a progression from the third level of density. With each progression upward in density level, the existence for the individual conscious entity becomes less difficult. So, therefore, the fourth level of density is less difficult to exist in that the third, the third is less difficult than the second and so on. It puts less strain on the soul energy. Therefore, beings existing on the fourth level of density can draw from beings existing on the third level of density in terms of absorption of negative soul energy. Likewise, beings on the third level of density can draw from beings on the second level of density, though this type of drawing is not as necessary but is done. This is why human beings existing on the third level frequently cause pain and suffering to those of the animal kingdom who exist on the second level of density because you are drawing negative soul energy as beings who primarily serve self, as you do, from those on the second level, and on the first, and so on. Now, as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as the "thousand year period." This is the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at the level of service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self. And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which is why they do what they do. This also explains why their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their race metabolically.
Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them, why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?
A: They do.
Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they just move in and take over?
A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite some time. They have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3: increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been interfering with events for what you would measure on your calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.
Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?
A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other words, it's the highest manifestation possible of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn't quite reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it would indeed be your awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see what we can see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since we are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is, not as we would want it to be.

So it is not so much a difference in the knowledge or understanding level, I'm sure they understand a lot more than we do, it is wishful/subjective egocentric thinking that causes 4D STS to not quite grasp the essence of the Ray of Creation. So this brings us to what the ultimate goal is of the STS beings:

Q: (T) Well, that's a one-word answer! (L) Yeah, you guys cheated! (T) That's what they said; infinite. Infinite is infinite. (L) Then, I had an idea that when we think hard, meditate and make conscious choice, then more universe is created along this path, than along the other. I've said it... so that you're balancing the good universe choice creations; making more of them, than there are of the mindless, thoughtless, just choosing because you don't know any better... (T) Well, isn't that what the lizards are doing? (L) Yes, it is... (T) They're manipulating it to make negative. But, they can never make more than there is, more negative than positive, because the universe is constantly seeking balance. So, every place they make a negative, there's some place else that becomes a positive. You can never make more. You can try.
A: True.
Q: (T) Although, they're working on the false premise that they can do this. (L) 'Wishful thinking.'
A: No, they are working on that false premise that they can seal realms into "4th" density and 3rd, 2nd, 1st STS for eternity. [Ensuing discussion was lost because the tape was turned off and not turned on until after this question was asked.]
A: No, not physicality through all densities, just 4th through 1st density STS.
Q: (L) Ohhh!! (T) They don't care if it's physical or not. They're in 4th. They just want to seal them off and keep them STS to feed off of them. (J) Ohhh, they want their own little garden! They want their own little 'suck' garden.
A: "Eternity" is the key word there. It is where the wishful thinking comes into play.

So they want to assimilate the entire material cosmos unto themselves and establish absolute rule. Then they think that they can recreate some perfect universe where there is no struggle and no difference of opinion anymore and they can go back to sleep in a blissful oneness having established themselves as "God". The Michael Topper article on the Cassiopaea website goes into much greater detail about it, but that's it in a nutshell. I could see where Bjorn was going with it, so I don't personally understand the nitpicking...

So how do you "prove" it? Buddy astutely mentioned the "As Above, So Below" principle, and we have all kinds of dynamics going on in 3D that can kind of give us insight into how things occur in more archetypal realms. When you think about it, this plan to seal off realms sounds remarkably like the NWO conspiracy. Corral a bunch of people with a completely controlled and monitored fiat currency, put them under constant surveillance, and then beam them with a myriad of mind control signals to guarantee complete obedience forever, no more need for war, everyone knows their place, and society is perfect. SG/PTB types have been using the US empire as a host to build this utopia for decades. However, as we're seeing with the situation with Putin in Asia, the harder they push, the more attention is drawn to the agenda and various deceptions it relies upon and more fuel is provided for people to wake up. When it gets too brazen, they end up shooting themselves in the foot. Wishful thinking will get you every time. We also know that this total enslavement of humanity has been an agenda that has been remarkably consistent for millennia. Humans do not operate on such timescales. There are reams of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence that suggests that human agents are just sock puppets for aliens who coordinate things behind the scenes. Having a couple of high strangeness experiences myself, I am convinced that there are nonhuman entities out there which participate in various plots and webs of intrigue. It's really no stretch at all to see how all of this carries over to the next level. It is scientifically recognized how nature operates with fractal patterns of systems within systems within systems. The bottom line is, while STS thinks it can conceive of some clever plan to establish some elite as the supreme commander of whatever segment of The Ray of Creation we happen to be talking about, it is actually inadvertently assisting others to be able to resist and redirect that control so long as 6D is fulfilling it's role as balancer of the information fields. STS becomes obsessed with controlling some aspect of creation, when all there is is lessons and nothing to ultimately control in any meaningful sense. So even though my argument is not yet incontrovertible, most of jigsaw pieces are in fact lying on the table and the ones that we have all seem to be creating this particular picture of reality.

I know that the '5th option' is on the recommended list. I didn’t read it of yet.

It's a good book even if it does have some annoying shortcomings. It basically gives a scientific background to the purpose of life and how it all works as opposed to the more philosophical side that comes to us via the 4th Way stuff. I contend that you need the more philosophical aspects that were informed by the ancient knowledge in order to put the scientific analysis in it's proper context, but it serves as a good bridge to see how the mundane is connected to the more esoteric realms that the Cassiopaeans talk about. It's quite laughable that Schiller comes to the conclusion that the purpose of the living system is to provide a roadmap and information about the planet to aliens far from home, but if you take his very thorough and systematic analysis in the context of the material on which this forum is based, you can correct his errors and it gives you the background to discuss the things we've talked about on this thread with a slightly more mainstream crowd. I thought it was also kind of silly how he goes on about nuclear technology being some kind of roadblock programmed into us by aliens to keep us from getting too advanced and how it's some huge looming catastrophe when they're the ones going around disabling the warheads and sending the message to the military "we're the ones in charge here." The most surprising fact about the book is that his whole premise relies on aliens basically creating life as we know it, yet he glosses over the UFO phenomenon. He does mention it, but takes a "I can neither confirm nor deny attitude" towards it. I think he probably knows more than he lets on but he's only allowed to say so much for fear of some kind of repercussion. He does seem to repeat himself quite a bit, and it seems about half the book length is making sure he has covered every square millimeter of the bases to make sure his case a scientifically defensible hypothesis for the origin of life on Earth. I guess it's good in a way, because if confronted with a mainstream, but open-minded academian, they are kind of forced to consider the possibility that aliens have had a very active role in shaping life on this planet. I found the middle of the book to be a bit of a slog and I was wishing he would just get to his point. Overall, it is another piece in the puzzle, and one could say a hit for the C's.

 

[Timótheos]

Edit: I used this website http://tattooremovalcream.co.uk/

Thanks for the link Lainey. I've ordered some of this cream for myself as well. Here's hoping it works as well as they claim!

 

[lainey]

After my failure to post a response to Hemdallr, I opened Sott to check what was new and there was the Tattoos = Angry People article - talk about synchonicity!

Hello JEEP, do you have a link for the article? I can't seem to find it using the search function.