Session 11 June 2011

[andreaB]

That's it in a nutshell. Though you MIGHT want to re-read the Forum Guidelines to make sure that you fit this particular forum.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187

Dear Laura I have read in part the above "Forum Guidelines". There are a lot of things there, what in particular does you think do not fit with me?

However this is your home, and I understand that to insist to write my thought is not a kind behaviour.
I have learnt a lot of helpfull things in reading your wave series, and I will continue to read them but I will keep from writing other posts.
Thank you Andrea

 

[ana]

That's it in a nutshell. Though you MIGHT want to re-read the Forum Guidelines to make sure that you fit this particular forum.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187

Dear Laura I have read in part the above "Forum Guidelines". There are a lot of things there, what in particular does you think do not fit with me?

This:

About " Often we don't like the truth"
I am in search of the TRUTH, but who tell me which one between the multitude of truths, one truth for each being.
Often, very often, I pray for Knowing the TRUTH, but in the last is my responsibility to choose.

Truth is not what you or any other individual choose to be truth, it is not a matter of individual choices.
Truth is based on objectivity and objectivity is based on real knowledge of what is.
Your choices depend on your hability to achieve objective understanding of truth and not otherwise.

See?, that's what this forum is about.

Forum Guidelines

To create an environment for the stimulation, development and then the alignment of objective consciousnesses as defined and described by the Cassiopaeans with the able help of Georges Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, Castaneda, and many other sources available to us. The foundation of this forum is The Cassiopaean Experiment, the layout of the rooms is generally modelled after the work of Gurdjieff and Mouravieff, the decor and details are filled in by Castaneda and many modern psychological studies.

and:

Subjective is the story about the blind men and the elephant - they all think that the elephant is the part of it that they are feeling and that is all there is. Objective is when they begin to share their observations and come to the realization that the elephant is more than what each of them experiences independently. Someone who can see would experience more of the elephant than the blind men, though this seeing would still be limited. Objective is the elephant as it experiences itself added to the observations of the blind men added together with view of the one who can see. It takes a group to achieve such objectivity. But once each of them has shared their perceptions and experience, and all of the group have assimilated this information, they can all then achieve an objective understanding of the elephant - or very close.

Then you may want to read more about objectivity here:
Cassiopaea Glossary on objectivity

So while you continue believing it is a matter of choosing between individual preferences you are not understanding what truth and objectivity are about.

 

[adam7117]

Thank you for posting this amazing session - quite a lot of food for thought there... Certainly explains the issue of militant vegetarians and their "innate" resistance to healthy dietary choices.

One of my friends is a vego and, quite honestly, this just explains the difficulty he has has been having with the way I eat. Sometimes, we go out to eat together and he is quite outspoken about my choice of food. Even to the point of being disparaging and offensive. Once, he started asking loudly, "Where do you get your fiber from? You will die of colon cancer!"

To that, I replied - calmly though with enough volume to be heard across the restaurant - "Not likely, I don't eat dairy." He gave up after that. We agree to disagree and, in a way, I thank the Divine Cosmic Mind for gluten and dairy sensitivity.

Just stupid stuff like that. Onto him now for sure... Which is also a bit sad - very sad.

I read this session as soon as it came out but rather busy at the moment. Just got a flatmate and work is dutifully keeping me busy. But this session has been on me mind all this time and I feel sick to the pit of my stomach. It's probably just a massive hook getting disconnected and it will pass... It will also take a bit more time to catch up with the rest of the thread.

The HAARP-like radiation is a bit of a worry. Please take care of yourselves you guys! Could there be a device or a strategy to disrupt this sort of radiation...?

So thanks again - and - rock on Andromeda!
:)

 

[RedFox]

One of my friends is a vego and, quite honestly, this just explains the difficulty he has has been having with the way I eat. Sometimes, we go out to eat together and he is quite outspoken about my choice of food. Even to the point of being disparaging and offensive. Once, he started asking loudly, "Where do you get your fiber from? You will die of colon cancer!"

To that, I replied - calmly though with enough volume to be heard across the restaurant - "Not likely, I don't eat dairy." He gave up after that. We agree to disagree and, in a way, I thank the Divine Cosmic Mind for gluten and dairy sensitivity.

It may be more externally considerate not to go out to eat with this friend, just so that what you are eating (and his reaction to it) doesn't cause you both stress. That's not to say you should change your eating habits to suit him, just be externally considerate and perhaps not engage in a situation that causes such friction?
External consideration is about making your life and the life of those you interact with as stress free as possible fwiw

 

[efeuvete]

That's it in a nutshell. Though you MIGHT want to re-read the Forum Guidelines to make sure that you fit this particular forum.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187

Dear Laura I have read in part the above "Forum Guidelines". There are a lot of things there, what in particular does you think do not fit with me?

However this is your home, and I understand that to insist to write my thought is not a kind behaviour.
I have learnt a lot of helpfull things in reading your wave series, and I will continue to read them but I will keep from writing other posts.
Thank you Andrea

I would have liked this thing ending in some other way; More like a kind of... misunderstanding.

I mean, sure this forum is not the place to go "against" Laura KJ's work searching truth but, anyhow, it would be useful if one, politely, could "contrast" ideas somehow different; Just looking for members opinions and precisely based on the value of the work here. By instance: Eating only vegs can not be always a "complete error" or just the way of proving you are an OP or... Is it?

You see, I eat meat (Tough more vegs) just because I like meat and I smoke (Less now, more before) for the very same reason and I'm glad here, this "feelings" of mine are considered, let's say, reasonable. But I doubt I would change them drastically notwithstanding how I do respect Laura's work.

And, by the way, in deeper waters, I can not be so strict regarding objective truth as Ana (Reading her post on this thread).

Well, I'm 62 and I've been up and down many, many "strange places" looking for truth. I've thrown away a lot of ideas and I've kept a little bunch of them. In fact, the first ideas I did add to my "Maybe not objective enough" truth, from Laura KJ' work, was all her information regarding evil (I didn't find never anything as, I would say, useful as her work).

Anyhow using the blind men and the elephant parable, my experience is that you can not decide your position regarding the elephant nor your peers and theirs in this little life; So, your life ends and maybe you must go to 5D with a very good idea about elephant trunks but without any idea about elephant tail hairs... Then your truth about trunks will be very objective but, I would dare to say, always incomplete.

That reminds me of one of the few ideas that I did not throw away on the road. That one: "Truth is a pathless land"
And, honestly, I hope this post goes not against forum guidelines (I've said more than once here on the forum how difficult, and painful, is for me finding real truth searchers) in this mysterious world of us.

 

[Roger]

Hello Brunauld, in answer to your question as to which levels of OPs there might be, this is my opinion ( please Laura and group, correct me if I'm off on this as I'm still learning)...Corporation level - Not caring about human life and only the cash bottom line.....Political level - power and glory, again not caring about who is hurt, or what is ruined because of a mad power grab....Religious level - (ultimate power grab, control through fear)....General psychotic levels - could be numerous things which possibly we all suffer from. Remember the Cs. said we are still all 3D STS. Lots to learn, lots to contemplate.

 

[anart]

Hello Brunauld, in answer to your question as to which levels of OPs there might be, this is my opinion ( please Laura and group, correct me if I'm off on this as I'm still learning)...Corporation level - Not caring about human life and only the cash bottom line.....Political level - power and glory, again not caring about who is hurt, or what is ruined because of a mad power grab....Religious level - (ultimate power grab, control through fear)....General psychotic levels - could be numerous things which possibly we all suffer from. Remember the Cs. said we are still all 3D STS. Lots to learn, lots to contemplate.

Hi Roger,

It sounds like you are describing psychopaths, not OPs. OPs are usually quite 'normal', nice people - salt of the earth, if you will. They do tend to 'go along with the crowd', so are often deeply influenced by their own culture and those around them. There is nothing inherently evil or negative about an OP and they are often quite nice, normal and caring (unless they're ponerized by society, in which case they go along with the crowd). Only after very long observation can a person even begin to discern the difference between a person with a seed of a soul and an OP, and even then, it's iffy. Hopefully that clarifies a bit.

 

[efeuvete]

Hello Brunauld, in answer to your question as to which levels of OPs there might be, this is my opinion ( please Laura and group, correct me if I'm off on this as I'm still learning)...Corporation level - Not caring about human life and only the cash bottom line.....Political level - power and glory, again not caring about who is hurt, or what is ruined because of a mad power grab....Religious level - (ultimate power grab, control through fear)....General psychotic levels - could be numerous things which possibly we all suffer from. Remember the Cs. said we are still all 3D STS. Lots to learn, lots to contemplate.

Hi Roger,

It sounds like you are describing psychopaths, not OPs. OPs are usually quite 'normal', nice people - salt of the earth, if you will. They do tend to 'go along with the crowd', so are often deeply influenced by their own culture and those around them. There is nothing inherently evil or negative about an OP and they are often quite nice, normal and caring (unless they're ponerized by society, in which case they go along with the crowd). Only after very long observation can a person even begin to discern the difference between a person with a seed of a soul and an OP, and even then, it's iffy. Hopefully that clarifies a bit.

Pretty clear.

I imagine OP's just something like giving a human body (physical and ethereal but without high mind centers) to a deer but keeping its group soul, so to say. An interesting experience for that soul and even for us if we can differentiate them; Differentiate mainly because the same thing can be done with a tiger...

Psychopaths are another thing, as I understand them they are OP's specifically "wired" to predate humans.

That reminds an idea that came to me some two years ago during a peaceful moment, sitting under a tree shadow, and thinking about Hindu Castes and Psychopaths. I mean Hindu Castes as they should be when they were defined thousands of years ago, not as they are today. The Castes are:

Brahmins (Spiritual, Intellectual, Artistic people)
Ksathriyas (Warriors, Politic people)
Vaishas (Trade people)
Shudras (Service providers people)
Untouchables... Those people you must take care their shadow don't touch you.

After a while I concluded that very well Shudras could be OP's and Untouchables... Psychopaths
And these days, reading Mouravieff Gnosis III, I found him telling something similar regarding The Untouchables Caste.

 

[Roger]

Thanks All, I knew you would come through...Great clarification as usual....good for further study

 

[Laura]

I would have liked this thing ending in some other way; More like a kind of... misunderstanding.

I mean, sure this forum is not the place to go "against" Laura KJ's work searching truth but, anyhow, it would be useful if one, politely, could "contrast" ideas somehow different; Just looking for members opinions and precisely based on the value of the work here. By instance: Eating only vegs can not be always a "complete error" or just the way of proving you are an OP or... Is it?

I would ask you - and everyone - to re-read the Forum guidelines again - and maybe again after that. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9553.msg69187.html#msg69187 If you are familiar with the work of Gurdjieff, you may want to focus in on the part that is most important to ME - the creator of the forum - which is that about creating a true esoteric group, and Gurdjieff's idea that if such could actually happen it could mean that humanity might continue to evolve in a positive way.

I don't know about you, but from our work in collecting the "Signs of the Times" on SOTT.net, things aren't looking too good for humanity just now. Plus there are the indications that the Cs have given. Whether you think they are a useful source or not is immaterial to me - the research is what counts and that research says that if SOMETHING isn't done, we really are facing an extinction of humankind.

You may think you have all the time in the world but from my perspective - that of research, not picking what I want to believe - we don't have much time at all.

This forum doesn't exist to argue, to debate, or for anything other than to attempt to form a true esoteric group as described by Gurdjieff. And if you have read the passage, you know what that means. If you aren't interested, if you really have a better idea, go conduct your own experiment in superluminal communication that has a track record like the Cs and publish your results; draw your own conclusions from that experiment and see if you have any ideas about what you might do for the sake of the Universe and humanity.

Otherwise, grant me the right to decide how my forum will run and what its purpose will be and don't go twisting that into some cult nonsense or slimy paramoralistic suggestions that everyone has to agree with me. That is so far from the truth that it is not even in the ballpark.

 

[Mountain Crown]

I’ve had the feeling at times that newbies pass up the Forum Guidelines in the same way as is done with the document one is supposed read and agree to when purchasing software and/or other internet use. I venture to guess everyone mechanically presses “AGREE” without reading anything.

It’s a shame because the Guidelines are essential for understanding this forum, and many questions would be unnecessary, especially if the recommended reading in the Mod’s first greeting were also given a chance.

 

[Aiming]

I find it especially sad that Laura has to constantly defend herself (while all the information is easily accessible for everybody) and explain these same things over and over again.

Read the forum guidelines, people, and understand that Laura is the owner of this forum, and if you don't like the line of research and work that is being done here, go elsewhere. It's really that simple.

 

[Laura]

I find it especially sad that Laura has to constantly defend herself (while all the information is easily accessible for everybody) and explain these same things over and over again.

Read the forum guidelines, people, and understand that Laura is the owner of this forum, and if you don't like the line of research and work that is being done here, go elsewhere. It's really that simple.

Exactly. And if you do like it, if you have similar ideas and conclusions and a willingness to be ruthless with yourself, stay and we might get something done. The forum is a beacon for members of a soul group that can form a conscious nucleus to anchor a frequency. It is also a place for said members to meet and interact and work on the false personality issues that stand in the way of that nucleus formation. So, pretty much the bottom line is this: if you don't feel that way about things here, if you don't grok that at a deep level, then this isn't your soul group, move along and find your home wherever it is.

 

[NewOrleans]

Precisely the point Gurdjieff made:"The quicker a man (or woman) grasps the aim of the work which is being executed, the quicker can (s)he become useful to it and the more will he be able to get from it for (herself)himself."

 

[cubbex]

I find it especially sad that Laura has to constantly defend herself (while all the information is easily accessible for everybody) and explain these same things over and over again.

Read the forum guidelines, people, and understand that Laura is the owner of this forum, and if you don't like the line of research and work that is being done here, go elsewhere. It's really that simple.

Of course, this is like a communication between people like "The Field" cells described as a good network. Not to argue and debate, just to share the results and discoveries from people who want to offer their research (that in some way we should be thankful because this is for free!!) and the results from people applying those discoveries.

As always the narcissistic part of people tend to project or to believe that a place that fits in even a little part of what they want, they think that it has to be as they want, instead of opening their minds and knowing that this place has a particular purpose, not other than that.

It's like that syndrome of the right man is on everyone on different levels.