Session 13 December 2014

[happyliza]

Jeeze I have to say that I was totally blown away when I read the section of the latest transcript below! The reason is that over the last months I have been meticulously writing out important aspects on the psychology books as in-depth self-study and further understanding of everything I had previously underlined on first readings. Doing this in order of personal (subjective) importance until I can afford external therapy – which I know I will truly benefit from.
Less than a week ago I decided that Bernhard’s extensive collation of information on Spiritual Bypassing and The Dark Side of Cupid etc was very important for me to include at this stage, being very grateful for the further months of study it would have taken me to collate similar, if I even found it, ie Cupid and Love Bite! I also had taken 2 other books from my bookshelves to include next – In an unspoken Voice, and Martha Stout!
I had also, over the last 3 days, had a good friend with me, new to our work, (who does professional natal charts etc), who I was discussing and sharing Bernhard’s articles with (including some of Laura’s). We were packing up as our cafe was closing when I suddenly decided to check the forum posts, and was really elated to find a new session posted as the last few had been timely and significant to me. I therefore read it out to my friend. Well she too was totally gobsmacked because she told me – very shaken – “Gosh that is practically verbatim what you discussed with me over the last 4 hours” Totally what I thought too – it felt very creepy but encouraging at the same time.
I apologize, in advance, for the length of this post, but feel, having studied the articles right prior to the transcript that I need to share my thoughts, especially on the warning from the C’s.

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But anyhow, that kind of leads us into our next topic, which is Eve Lorgen and her Love Bite Scenario, which has apparently been taken up by Bernhard and Humberto. They are... well, maybe you can give a little background on this, Joe.

Well, I think Bernhard's been into it for quite a while. He's been into the alien abduction influence in people's lives for a long time… {Cs interrupt…}

I followed Bernhard’s blog since the release of his great video in 2011 and sincerely found all his articles extremely helpful and especially easy to understand, giving me a revision of important threads I had studied on the forum, and the added benefit of further understanding the ‘negative balance’ of our natures and the Universe

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A: Notice that Bernhard does no original work of his own, but rather attempts to ride on the coat tails of others!!!
I knew the work was not original however as said above his good collation saved me months, which would allow me to quicker return to my 4th way studies – but we have to sort ourselves out first! No easy job.

Q: (L) Okay, hang on. I need to put my glasses on. Okay...

A: [answer comes super fast, pointer nearly flying off the board] The love bite scenario is more a government disinformation program for the weak minded and susceptible than anything else. Notice that all the effects can be easily produced with microwave manipulation of consciousness and emotions along with the normal interactions of social programming and psychopathology.

This is obviously very important and, for me, timely information, as I was sharing this information on Facebook etc and also personally believed the contents of the book as described by Bernhard. Though in hindsight this is information from the C’s is contained in the other psychology books and especially in Laura’s, the forum etc. BUT the last thing we need is to be spreading disinformation, via not mentioning the important (superfast) FACTS from the C’s urgent reminder. (So obviously I took this personally and deleted a post immediately that I had just put on FB).

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Q: (L) Uuh... WHAT was that? I think they were REALLY wanting to get that said! [laughter + review of answer]

Facebook.

So, there's not much "alien" in the Alien Love Bite.

It was here that I fell down because when Bernhard mentioned the important help from friends that he had had, I ASSUMED that much of this help came from constructive and objective advice from the forum network. I am sure that he would have received such, but omitted to be vigilant enough that we can all put our particular ‘spin’ on this advice and continue on blindly unaware of our blind spots or ego taking over, dissociation, complexes – you name it we have plenty to ‘divert’ us, as well as much good objective information to try to retain and recall at the appropriate moments. However I purposely refrained from posting until many others had made their comments, and as I expected, there was a wealth of great advice, and further threads I will follow up on, as well as a further reminder of much vital information I had already digested a while ago, but was not remembered at the critical time! (Note to self – Ask Santa for a readily accessible filing cabinet in my brain!)

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Well, there's not. Whenever you talk about Carlos Castaneda and his expression: "They give us their mind," well there ya go! Until you decide to be something else, you ARE them! All the things that you project onto aliens, and all their evil intentions, it's all in you unless you choose to do something about it. But, like we were saying the other day, people who jump on the alien thing, and alien love bites, and alien ear tickles or whatever... [laughter] Whatever else they do, they jump on all of that to blame it for something that is part of themselves. And they project it out onto aliens, and they're done!

Well I agree with the contradictory, baroque behaviour and not wanting to be found out, but luckily I didn’t personally think I fitted the bill, BUT, did feel through my work I could be in the firing line and ALSO wondered whether I may be a worthwhile job in the future to try to find out if I could have been ‘tampered’ with in any way. I did keep in mind though that our thoughts are not always our own, and have been aware of this from Laura’s work. Especially due to the ‘living hell’ of emotional trauma etc I have been through. (I fit the bill of having been emotionally played with and’ food’ until recently – thanks to reminding myself of this – an example happened last night oddly whereby I received the usual different noise in one ear, apart from the usual tinnitus, and immediately after 3.30am this mornings, I felt need/urge to get up and have a cigarette – not only depriving me of vital sleep i needed to catch up on but also to incite me to something I didn’t ‘need’ at the time. I resisted, (when many times negative thoughts then enter, ‘making’ me get up to have the ‘urge’ for a cigarette at stupid times due to allowing the negative thoughts to wind me up). Thanks to just studying Bernhard’s article, I could recognize and desist from the ‘need/desire’ for the VERY FIRST TIME! I agree, this is as much spiritual attachment as anything else, and I seriously have to work on this as there are so many times I am not doing the opposite of what ‘IT’ wants and self calming/indulging, whatever. No excuses there. I have also found, through doing this vital revision that some ‘lost’ memories/connections/associations have surfaced that are helpful last night. Those where I was to blame for things I had blamed my ex husband for – so very insightful. I had completely ‘forgotten’ my part in some scenarios and how I too had contributed to hurting others.
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Which is an easy way out. It's easier to see the evil outside than in yourself.

I didn’t really see it this way (hope I am not contradicting myself) but I only held on to the fact that not all our thoughts are our own, and that attachments can incite you to do things you wouldn’t ordinarily do. There is also the fact that ‘nobody is a nobody’, but this doesn’t stop me from forging ahead with what I choose/need to do. Remember Caesar said have not fear. Fear is Food.

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Yeah. So, instead of projecting it onto another person, it's projected onto aliens. With Eve Lorgen and all these other people, it's, "Aliens are doing this stuff to me!" It absolves them completely of any responsibility. And that's what Bernhard did recently: he absolved himself of responsibility, apart from the odd, "Oh yes, I was to blame, and I have issues... BUT, it was aliens and hot chicks on Facebook who came after me because I'm a spiritual guru and they want to take me down. I have NO carnal thoughts whatsoever!" Ya know? "Somehow aliens manipulated me into contacting that girl on Facebook and getting her to come to my house, where I had sex with her on the first night. And I was struggling all the way..."

I covered this above BUT that is not to say that anyone who is new to this work would not assume aliens to ‘blame’, so very dangerous. I fell down again here though as I picked up on the fact that for she wanted to come to him, so that kinda fitted in to a possible vector scenario on her part. Not enough had been divulged otherwise at that point, other than another possible ‘vector’ scenario with the girl who came for two sessions of Bodywork and then just disappeared. Again in hindsight she could have felt that something was a bit ‘off’ and that the ‘trust’ that Bernhard mentioned could have been the predator talking and that he was after getting her trust for his ‘agenda’. Not enough to go on here either. Obviously the reader, especially as he has been doing the work for 20 years and is part of the forum (though not everyone would know about the forum) would ‘assume’ that he was ‘vetted’ , took advice etc from the forum.

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For a week!

"For a week, and then weird things happened, and it's those damn aliens!" [laughter] That's what he said

I did obviously wonder about this and the 3 relationships repeating the same patterns but alas I too had 3 horrendously emotionally hell and draining etc etc relationships one after the other, so who was I to deny the patterns and blind spots, childhood narcissism, low self esteem – though I WAS able to recognize and try to stop the major patterns (and choose to have 3 years single) once I found Laura, the Forum and the essential psychology books! So that fall was ‘rationalizing’ and giving the benefit of the doubt, until the shock of what the last girl did for a living and his contradictions on this fact.

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How convenient.

And then he delivered it in a sneaky and manipulative way to get other people to agree with him and follow along and ignore completely their own responsibility.

Covered above already

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A: Notice also how many times Bernhard has "gotten himself" into similar situations.

Yes, I did too through my lack of knowledge about self -study at the time. Now I know the importance of first working on ourself before we can move on with esoteric work. Work on 'Being'.

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Q: (L) Well, his thing is that since he is a spiritual worker, and he is doing work to expose the truth, that he is being targeted, and...

I assumed the 99% Alternative media etc and Caring roles came as facts from the books, discussions I hadn’t yet seen on the forum. However, I also, in hindsight, think that being a Body Worker and Massage therapist, as in psychology therapists etc etc, can be a used as a means, in this case, of ‘feeding’. A woman has to trust a bodyworker who has to touch her and massage her, how do we know they may not have ulterior motives, like some doctors etc do? I am not saying this was the case, but we have enough news in the media of people, getting themselves into jobs where they can pry on vulnerable people! If, someone had a penchant for sex, and this is where he contradicted himself, because he talks of healthy sex objectively, then falls for a prostitute, uses ‘sexual energy he felt emanating from her’ to initiate sex with her, blames all the women etc. I am also mentioning this for Bernhard’s objective evaluation – but who am I to advise, still a newby really! Just an observation.

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A: What did we first say?

Q: "Notice that Bernhard does no original work of his own, but rather attempts to ride on the coat tails of others!!!" That's what they said first.

I was confused about this as many of us are so busy ‘catching up’ that to do research, other that read the recommended books and threads is all about we can do. Also that already the best books have been recommended etc. I found the compilation very helpful, as stated, the same as the info on the Health Matrix and all the great work people do do. Also he had taken the time to set up a blog to reach out to others who may not have found our work yet, just like we do as ‘information ambassadors’ on social media. Appreciate feedback on this one.
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So, he's not the one doing the research, or...

He's not the spiritual one.

(L) Well, okay, he gives this list of characteristics for people who are susceptible to love bites. Do you remember what the list was that Eve Lorgen put in her book? They are...

Um, that they're generally involved in alternative news, or spiritual circles, or...

(L) But wasn't there something about "caring professions"?

Yeah, caring professions like nursing, or...

A: Notice also how many predators are also involved in "alternative" topics and especially "caring professions"?!?

So true, we on the forum know this and I attracted them into my life though my ignorance.

Q: That's the fertile ground for them. It's actually interesting because part of his story... There is no way there could have been any alien thing, because the girl told him way before they met what she did, what her life was, blah blah blah. He admits that much. And then he's like, "Oh, but I invited her to my house even though I knew anyway!" Skipping that part, there was a part where he talks about the sleep paralysis. She had it, but he didn't. That struck me as a bit of a clue, like, who's the predator here?

Invited her? Another contradiction? Again yet another creepy thing here is that my friend I was sharing this info with did a Natal chart for someone. Turned out I knew him but not his ‘history’. Well he too recounted, only 2 – 3 weeks ago a similar scenario about living with a call girl, sex worker, he couldn’t stop talking about his life, (very dark) and we knew he was coming on to my friend big time. Luckily I was with her for most of the calls and she set up boundaries immediately saying she was happy to stay professionally the ‘therapist’. Not one word came my way even though I was also a ‘guest’. Very predatory energy, we couldn’t get a word in edgeways. Plus in discussions after he really gave us the creeps and it was so obvious she was ‘prey’. I felt the natal chart reading was actually an excuse to ‘get more intimate’.

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A: Exactly! A big clue!

Q: She had sleep paralysis, and he woke up, and suddenly he felt a strong sexual desire for her, and had sex again with her right after.

(L) Right after she's suffered this traumatic event?
Exactly, he said he held her and comforted her. Then what use her vulnerability?

But he says it was something that came through her, and she saw a creature on her, and on him, or whatever. But he was awake.
In Laura’s case they cause sleep paralysis to the person that can possibly rescue them.

(L) The creature was coming through HIM and attacking HER if you ask me!
Negative energies will obviously come from sex workers, so one has to have an ‘affinity’ with them of some sort for a ‘creature’ to attach to you.

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) It's like the joke about the hunter and bear. [laughter] I'll not tell it, but...

A: Better to say that he was the transmitter of the frequency.

Intentions? Any past episodes that attracted the negativity in the first place? Ego? Free will, what was the invite? Not truly heeding advice re personal weaknesses/traits?

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Q: (L) So, he was transmitting a frequency that didn't affect him, but it affected her, because she was not locally from that area. She was in a new area, he was from the area, and he was used to the transmission of these frequencies.

A: More or less.

Very useful to know in the times to come. We are where we are meant to be.

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Q: And then he uses it to accuse her.

Blame the victim. I didn't read the blurb about Bernhard, but from what you describe, this girl is in a very vulnerable position. She's kind of paralyzed in the bed, and that's when he feels this sexual urge... That's the definition of a predator!

A: That was the object of the event. Note that there were a number of similar events between equally susceptible individuals at the same time, which is always the case when such signals are emitted.

Q: (L) So, it was like something we have noticed on many occasions: When one person has a bad dream, and several people have bad dreams, we kinda figure that something is being emitted and everyone is picking it up and unpacking it in their head according to their own makeup or their own psychology. Anything else on that?

No, I would just say that if he keeps having these alien love bite situations, I think eventually we'll have to conclude that he doesn't come here for the hunting, ya know? Like the bear said to the hunter. If someone keeps having these experiences of alien love bites, then he must to some extent be enjoying it some way, or getting something from it. You can't continue to complain about it when you do it over and over again...

The Guru infection?

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.if he doesn't stop the situation. Stop seeing girls at all like that.

If he continues in that, then...

Then he's the love biter.

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Notice that Bernhard does no original work of his own, but rather attempts to ride on the coat tails of others!!!


Funny, I always take the time to read Bernhard's posts on FB and have always considered them extremely erudite and powerful (which actually I still believe they are). At the same time I've often found myself asking if anyone could really be that evolved and 'perfected' (as he comes across in his posts) and whether the real life Bernhard is the same as his FB posts. But this comment about attempting to 'ride on the coat tails of others' was quite a wake up and points out something that seems very obvious now and has been staring me in the face: Bernhard is simply another student of the work here and his ideas and their portrayal are simply the fruits of the network and perhaps Laura's work in particular. Obviously, the insights into his predation and subsequent projection onto 'outside forces' are a crucial reminder for all of us and for me in particular actually.

I have to agree.

Oh no, not Bernhard! I have watched his documentaries and some of his articles and he always come across as very lucid, concise and highly knowledgeable/well read. He explains concepts in very dry and almost academic language that you can't help but think he is how he comes across in his work!

So disheartening because it just makes you question everything. TBH I think he lives in California and by that fact alone, I always had a red flag on the back of my head just in-case. His stuff is still good though and yes he rides on other people's back because most of his stuff references other people's work and I don't think he hides this.

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The stuff about Bernhard sounds like a typical case of what Paul Levy describes in his book Dispelling Wetiko. The idea of wetiko infection corresponds to "the Predator's mind". The extent of infection can vary widely. According to Levy, apart from projecting one's own evil onto others or outer forces, another symptom is perceiving that one sees and knows better than all others. As infection deepens, insight disappears, while at the same time, the infected person thinks the opposite is happening.

Funny I was drawn to the podcast yesterday. Half way through. I was amazed how on topic it was!


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Specifically the C's comments are what initiated some careful thought (at least for me!)

After all, we are encouraged on this forum and especially now to network and spread the word with external consideration. Bernhard's article "The Dark Side of Cupid" is actually quite informative and a revision lesson of what goes on the forum so to speak - a very well written summary indeed. In fact, apart from the personal experiences cited by him, it is a summary of Sott & forum articles and thinking (OSIT). I also got the same impression when I watched the movie UFO's, Aliens and the question of contact ( _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ss-HIhixw).

So what exactly is "wrong" with Bernhard's efforts?

The obvious clue given by the C's is that the work is not original (i.e. riding on the coat tails of others). Well certainly a lot of what was written in the above mentioned article is not original. However the references are all properly recognised (apart from one major one that is- given below), and I would surmise that the article will encourage the readers to so some homework and HOPEFULLY guide those with the right desire in the RIGHT direction

The one issue that I see is that all the references given point back to another article on the website (_http://veilofreality.com/) when indeed most of the articles are a rehash of information found on this forum and sott.net Therefore the objective should be to redirect interested readers back to the original source (sott.net and the forum) where the original ideas were first expressed in the form that Bernhard is now attributing to himself (by implication that is). Just like one of the forumites stated, one would think that Bernhard is indeed a very wise and knowledgeable person. Indeed this is the impression an obvyatel like me would get on reading his article(s).

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Another great session! - Many thanks to the crew.

I found this quite puzzling:

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Specifically the C's comments are what initiated some careful thought (at least for me!)

After all, we are encouraged on this forum and especially now to network and spread the word with external consideration. Bernhard's article "The Dark Side of Cupid" is actually quite informative and a revision lesson of what goes on the forum so to speak - a very well written summary indeed. In fact, apart from the personal experiences cited by him, it is a summary of Sott & forum articles and thinking (OSIT). I also got the same impression when I watched the movie UFO's, Aliens and the question of contact ( _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ss-HIhixw).

So what exactly is "wrong" with Bernhard's efforts?

I don't think the C's are saying there is anything necessarily wrong with Bernhard's efforts. I think what they're saying is that he's imagining he's the target of higher density manipulations when he's not even really doing anything that revolutionary. Why would 4th density STS concern themselves with someone who is basically just summarizing the work of others? Wouldn't it make more sense to go directly after the source? I think it's an indication more of self importance than anything else - I'm so spiritual that I'm a target. As the discussion in the session indicated, it's abdicating responsibility for one's own actions, one's own programming, attributing it all to an external source.

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Thank you for yet another enlightening session, and so quickly posted!

The C's comments on Bernhard and Humberto didn't really come as a surprise to me. I've been picking up a certain 'flavor' from their posts/pics on FB for awhile now. It's nice to see it confirmed.

I agree. It became fairly evident to me awhile back that they both diverged from the direction of the forum some time ago - the whole "Hitler was actually a nice guy" tack they were taking really left a bad taste in my mouth. I haven't been keeping up with Bernhard's posts on FB recently, but this doesn't come as a surprise to me either.

I didn’t notice this, but I visit the site sporadically. I could have practiced more discernment and critical thinking there though


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(L) That's one thing that Martha Stout talks about. When you dissociate, it becomes habitual. That may be what they're talking about...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What they're talking about is the habitual dissociation. Paying close and careful attention to what's outside, and responding to it, is what you've almost never used.

That reminds me of the term "complex" used by Jung (_http://www.terrapsych.com/jungdefs.html)
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Complex (or "feeling-toned complex"): from a term borrowed by the German psychologist Zeihen and used by Eugen Breuer, then Jung and Freud: a cluster of emotionally charged associations, usually unconscious and gathered around an archetypal center (and so a blend of environment and disposition). Repressed emotional themes. Complexes were first noticed by Aristotle, who in his Psyche called them part-souls, and behave like little personalities (and have unconscious fantasy systems), often even after partially incorporated into awareness. A more powerful complex will either blend with one less powerful or replace it, and its constellating power corresponds to its energy value.

Complexes are the contents of the personal unconscious, whereas archetypes, their foundations, are those of the collective unconscious. Complexes, found in healthy as well as troubled people, are always either the cause or the effect of a conflict. The complex arises from the clash between the need to adapt and constitutional inability to meet the challenge. They originate in childhood, and their first form is the parental complex.

_http://www.mind-development.eu/jung.html:

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In Jung's theory, complexes may be related to environmental traumatic experience, or they may be caused by internal conflicts. There are many kinds of complex, but at the core of any complex is a universal pattern of experience, or archetype. He postulated that the complexes originate in the archetypal depths of the psyche - deep structures, patterns and ways of living that represent an inherited memory of the history of human culture.

_http://www.briancollinson.ca/index.php/2012/07/jung-on-individual-therapy-the-psychological-complex.html:

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What Can We Do About Complexes?

To really start to resolve a complex, it is essential to explore its roots in the unconscious mind. It’s only when we get to the conflict or the wound that is at the heart of a complex, and make that wound, and the feeling around it into consciousness, that we can begin to take the energy out of the complex, and begin to have an increased capacity to avoid being completely sidelined by it.

So basically one have to bring to consciousness the unconscious parts of one's complexes, to become aware of them (it's probably easier said than done though). Michael, are you paying attention to your dreams? Can you remember them?

I think the recapitulation technique as described by Castaneda can be of some help as well (_http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan6.html)
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A recapitulation is the forte of stalkers as the dreaming body is the forte of dreamers . It consists of recollecting one's life down to the most insignificant detail.
The first stage is a brief recounting of all the incidents in our lives that in an obvious manner stand out for examination.
The second stage is a more detailed recollection, which starts systematically at a point that could be the moment prior to the stalker sitting, and theoretically could extend to the moment of birth.
A perfect recapitulation can change a warrior as much, if not more, than the total control of the dreaming body . In this respect, dreaming and stalking lead to the same end, the entering into the third attention. It is important for a warrior, however, to know and practice both.
The key element in recapitulating is breathing. Recollecting is easy if one can reduce the area of stimulation around the body. Theoretically, stalkers have to remember every feeling that they have had in their lives, and this process begins with a breath.
Write down a list of the events to be relived. ...

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A: You live your life from inside a bubble.

Q: (Pierre) A bubble that is between you and interacting with reality.

Living in a bubble which consists of buffers? You may recapitulate this thread (Buffers, Programs and "the Predator's Mind"): http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,6419.0.html

I must seriously revisit and study this. There is a good chance I too need to work on this.

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The Cs didn't want to lose you Laura. They could see further down the road, how you would impact so many lives with your research and teaching , so playing along with your belief in Jesus was part of the script they had to employ until you were ready and able to accept the truth.
At least that's my take on it.
Thank goodness they were so understanding of us poor ‘humans’. Laura underwent 100’s of years to reveal what she knows for humanity. A rare event. Too precious to lose purely over a misunderstanding! Thanks goodness the C’s can see the big picture – where would we be?

Forever grateful. Sorry again for the long post. It just was too ‘upfront and personal’ to not share fwiw. Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated as too many synchronicities – and we all know about them! Getting tired now.

 

[Konstantin]

Book recommendations aside, I'm yet another person to whom what was discussed concerning parallel applies. In short, practice (or "super efforts") are needed - for me as well as for others - otherwise the theory is useless.

Thank you Parallel, Laura, Data and others for the clarification. The words of the C's and Gurdijeff hit me hard when seen applied to a real life person walking a similar path as myself.

Its the same situation with me too. Now i see that many of you here on this forum have a similar issues. i`m glad that we can discuss such a things here.Its really difficult to change that kind of habits.It needs a lot of efforts and patience. I dont have a close "friend" who is in the same path as me.Only you here on this forum.So its a little dificult to turn on alarms and observe myself for all that habits.

I dont really understand this sentence from the last session:

Paying close and careful attention to what's outside, and responding to it, is what you've almost never used

Is that means outside, in our environment, people near us, things that happened near us and respond to that people,things issues on the way that we think is the best or something else ?

English is not my native language so sometimes its a little difficult to grasp , to understand some expressions.

 

[tohuwabohu]

It would have been interesting to ask the best methods to re-route the deeply worn tracks in the brain, although, we can probably figure that out on our own - change in diet, habits, thinking patterns - stepping out of our comfort zone. I dunno, I suppose those are the types of things that would rewire the brain?

Awesome session.

I would say that it is extremely hard to change habits if your life dictates you what you have to do. For example you know you have to go to work you know what you have to do there. When you come home then you also know what you have to do to keep the household going etc.

It is like half the equation because you have to push through the external influences using your internal strength. And the only way you can change your perspective on the external influences is through realizations. If you learn something. Like for example someone who has phobia realizes how irrational he behaves and literally pushes through the fobia by forcing himself to experience it and see that nothing bad happens. And so on. So a big part of it is doing what the machine doesn't like and observing the self.

 

[forge]

Thanks, thank you all for the session.

Even being raised as a Catholic I have little or none problem to accept that Jesus never existed. Actually I kind of wondered this before all the current discussions, here or over there, not only by my literary research but even earlier as a feeling in my heart. Also I do understand the difficult for spreading the light in this realm of darkness; nevertheless (sorry) I still didn't understand how there was not disinformation? If I recall correctly the C's talked a lot about a Jesus resurrected and who afterwards took a mother-ship. That does mean that in fact a man (later firmly took as Jesus) was reanimated from a comma and was taken into a mother-ship? If so, who? And that did happen around the same spoken period of time?

Actually, what was said was not that he was "resurrected" but:

Q: (L) Details about Jesus' extended "sleep" state.

A: He spent 96 hours in a comatose state in a cave near Jerusalem. When he awoke, he prophesied to his disciples and then exited the cave. 27,000 people had assembled because of mother ship appearance and he was taken up in a beam of light.

At this point, we don't know that something like this did NOT happen to SOMEONE, especially considering the weird things that were reported by many people before, during, and after the siege and destruction of Jerusalem, and made it into the texts of several historians, parts of which are still in Tacitus and Josephus. During such times, all kinds of anomalous things can happen and later be assimilated into stories and legends.

Also notice the delicate details:
- "27,000 people had assembled because of mother ship appearance" .. It could very well be that at the time of death of Caesar a UFO appeared over Rome.

- "and he was taken up in a beam of light. " .. most people assume this happened like in UFO movies and stories:
FADE IN:
EXT. CAVE NIGHT
Jesus exits the cave and walks into the crowd that is watching the big UFO hovering above. Jesus prophesies to the assembled people. Then the crowd opens as Jesus walks under the UFO. The UFO emits a beam of light. Jesus walks into the light and gets uplifted into the ship, which flies away: 'Whoosh!'

Instead what could have happened:
1. there was a UFO visibly present above Rome, when Caesar died.
2. People were watching it, some maybe did sketches to incorporate the ship later into a painting.
3. The UFO did not emit any light beam, just was hovering and maybe cruising for a time, then flew away.

4. However nobody saw, that when Caesar died, there came down an invisible beam of spiritual light and took him - his spirit / consciousness - up into 5th density.

So all that the C's said could be verily true, just the delicate details always are super important, versus our imaginations trained on myths and movie like scenes.

 

[placematt]

great session. Very insightful! thanks for sharing :)

 

[loreta]

Thank you so much for this session. For open our eyes.

 

[Chacara]

Thanks a lot for another eye opening session!

 

[forge]

(parallel) How can I process or work with the emotions that I feel are underneath, but which sort of get stored under a certain layer in daily life, and so never get processed?

(L) Never get expressed or processed? Because they're not being expressed, or they have never been expressed in any way? How can you deal with the emotions that block you, or something like that?

A: Keep in mind that you have dealt with things the same way for so long that there are very deep tracks in the brain. At the same time, there are circuits that have been little or never used. This must change!!! Super efforts are needed or you will deteriorate rapidly!

Rapid deterioration was maybe meant also, because of accelerating density changes will multiply our issues a thousand times, so we explode like a gas tank on over pressure - blow like a car tire, when our baggage weight increases - simply implode like a submarine going past its allowed design depth, only to sink into the depths of the ocean.

Thank You Laura for bringing this up! It bothered me (when remembering it at all), that I'm powerless about it: this occasionally perceived problem always disappearing into amnesia, eluding into dissociation. Yet this has always been the central issue: thinking with well-worn wrong tracks in the brain and resulting useless behavior perpetuating my slavery to my issues and the difficulty that its so hard to jump out of these tracks!

(Breton) I don't know how I would be guiding my children given that they live with that... lady. I felt it was out of my hands.

A: You give that way more power than it has, and have not developed the necessary force and skills to circumvent obstacles.

I did not develop the necessary force and skills to circumvent these very obstacles. Have known this for a while - received insight from a couple of angles, but instead of keeping at figuring out a plan, an Aim, mostly I dissociated, because of the numbing pain and lack of precious fine energy needed to keep focus on this key problem.

 

[dugdeep]

I have similar issues as well. The part about deep tracks reminds me very much of a book I recently read called Primal Leadership. The book itself was sort of a sequel to Emotional Intelligence, but focuses on leadership skills and what is required to become successful at it and develop a strong team. So it's not necessarily written for dealing with dissociation but I think a lot of the principles laid out in it can be transferred over. The book often talks about ingrained habits and patterns of behaviour that are mainly emotional in nature that often sabotage peoples ability to grow and learn from their mistakes. Here are a few excerpts.

[snip]

Very valuable information here, Turgon. Thanks for posting. It seems like these are some good concrete strategies for circumventing these well worn tracks in the brain that habitually move us into the same old patterns of behaviour. It also seems like the beginnings of "educating the emotional centre", or "training the horses", to use the carriage analogy.

Just to summarize, to see if I've got it, Goleman seems to be saying that:

1) Paying attention (self observation) is the key, bringing routines into awareness is a crucial step toward changing them
2) Changing the emotional brain requires super efforts, through patience and repetition
3) Having an aim, a picture of yourself how you want to be, "a constant inner-striving for self-perfection", is required to begin and sustain changing emotional patterns
4) Practice in advance through "mental rehearsal", makes it more likely to have success in staying out of old patterns in the moment
5) Watch for results and tweak these techniques based on observations

 

[Nienna]

Bernhard doesn't seem to take any responsibility for his own actions. It doesn't occur to him that perhaps he is the predator. Yet, he talks about work on the self, ''alarm-clocks'', and about the importance of networking, etc. (see quote below), well... if he does have a network, I'd say it's a pretty ineffective one, as he appears to be quite clueless of his own 'dark side'. I think that when someone has a network consisting of a bunch of people who may be having the same blind spots, one wouldn't be getting anywhere. I think Bernhard and Humberto have mistaken themselves to be on the right track, when they're not. Instead of helping each other, they may actually be covering up their own inappropriate and internally considering behavior with narratives they come up with. The short one-sided ''Love Bite'' story of Humberto, in which his girlfriend showed ''irrational behavior and emotional drama'' says enough. There was no word of Humberto's part in it. Fwiw.

I've never been much on reading Bernhard's site. He has had a couple of good videos, but he and Humbertos have always been too "new agey" for me. And, I thought that they came across as thinking of themselves as gurus, which totally turned me off.

This insight that the Cs brought to light about Bernhard makes me think of what Gurdjieff said about students not understanding what was being taught by someone who has knowledge and being, but thinking they do; and, then, going on to teach their corrupted version of the original teaching. It amounts to disinformation/misinformation to me.

And Bernhard really has a huge ego and a huge amount of self-importance. It is so easily seen by what he has done, and keeps on doing, and blames the victim for his predatory actions.

Ya know, as Renaissance said,

I think it's also pretty awful that he's putting this woman through this publicly, when really it's his own behavior that is the issue.

It's as if he has no conscience or empathy, and is blaming the victim. Or maybe he's just blinded by what he perceives as his own brilliance.

These are just my thoughts on the issue.

 

[lilyalic]

Just to summarize, to see if I've got it, Goleman seems to be saying that:

1) Paying attention (self observation) is the key, bringing routines into awareness is a crucial step toward changing them
2) Changing the emotional brain requires super efforts, through patience and repetition
3) Having an aim, a picture of yourself how you want to be, "a constant inner-striving for self-perfection", is required to begin and sustain changing emotional patterns
4) Practice in advance through "mental rehearsal", makes it more likely to have success in staying out of old patterns in the moment
5) Watch for results and tweak these techniques based on observations

That seems to be the jist of it. It's pretty much all just "remember, remember, remember, stay awake!"
These 5 points you listed are the things that are dug-deep and don't want to be remembered when we enter a dissociation period, or when high emotional interference's get in the way!

 

[Chad]

Thank you for another packed session Very much appreciated!

I was put off by the student-guru dynamic that Bernhard cultivated on Facebook -- it seemed to be a not-so-subtle form of feeding. I am sorry to say that I reposted his first Hitler video several months ago before watching it completely, which is probably related to the point above (not giving something complete attention before acting).

Same; then i saw a comment from a forum member which referred back to networked information and i quickly retracted it! Because i hadn't done the research or understood the implications...

As someone who has gladly followed his FB posts for a while, and i did read quite a bit of his blog before i really got involved on the forum, the following are just some thoughts:

I didn't necessarily 'see' the feeding, but i did think he was happy in the role as 'more accomplished' whilst still admitting to suffering issues related to family, so i didn't see him assuming the role of 'perfected'. But how much of that was projection on my part? I think it's a bit of both as the recent love bite topic is revealing (to me at least). But from experience, when first coming to this material, i probably did idealise him in some ways. With time i noticed him ignoring the networks guidance, instead looking to his own 'network' for consideration; where they are probably just reinforcing their shared subjective opinions.

This, and other incidences, such as always using the 'trivium' / critical thinking 'formula' to dispute others looked process driven, rather than considered and creative. I agree this method of critical thinking can be applied, but i don't think it can be used to just negate the persons question, because oftentimes the issue is more complex than 'red herring' or 'appeal to authority/emotion' etc.. And even if it's correctly used, it still doesn't reveal the lie for what it is.

Thanks for posting the excerpt Renaisance. I kinda realised from Bernhards postings about this love bite issue, that he wasn't quite on the mark and so didn't pursue reading them; now seeing how frequent and casual these interactions are, never mind the high strangeness of the behaviour exhibited, one wonders where the 'lizzie feeding', search for colinearity and work on oneself fits into it all. Osit.

_http://veilofreality.com/2014/11/22/the-dark-side-of-cupid-hyperdimensional-interferences-in-love-relationships

[...] Bernhard never really networked about the information he writes about, and it seems to have come back to 'bite' him.

Unless it is a network of two people (negative feedback loop), which doest seem to be far from enough to say the least :)

I think this is probably one of the contributing factors..

Oh no, not Bernhard! I have watched his documentaries and some of his articles and he always come across as very lucid, concise and highly knowledgeable/well read. He explains concepts in very dry and almost academic language that you can't help but think he is how he comes across in his work!

So disheartening because it just makes you question everything. TBH I think he lives in California and by that fact alone, I always had a red flag on the back of my head just in-case. His stuff is still good though and yes he rides on other people's back because most of his stuff references other people's work and I don't think he hides this.

Considering recent comments on travelling and location potentially leading one to be open to attack, i quite agree. But like you, i had thought about it before and wondered why stay in the 'belly of the beast' if one has other options. Even if those options aren't quite as comfortable, and perhaps beneficial, to oneself.

Also, for me, was that the posts are referenced and used in the correct context so the compilation can be quite useful; as are the documentaries (which i really enjoyed); though as with many speakers, it's only a matter of time before the direction they're headed is not the one you had assumed. I think this is where a real network would have, at the very least, nudged, possibly averting titanic consequences.

The only attack i can see is being used because of a lack of awareness. So you're not so much the victim, as the accomplice?

Bearing in mind the most recent STR with WPP, and actually just looking at the very many 'lone researchers' out there, this network issue is obviously huge. (osit!) Perhaps because it takes into account self importance, consideration for others and a whole load of other struggles which are impassable when done in conjunction with a real network. Hence it's 'easier' to create your own...

As mentioned, having read and followed his work for a while, i think it only correct to comment on the current situation. So FWIW.

 

[mkrnhr]

Just to summarize, to see if I've got it, Goleman seems to be saying that:

1) Paying attention (self observation) is the key, bringing routines into awareness is a crucial step toward changing them
2) Changing the emotional brain requires super efforts, through patience and repetition
3) Having an aim, a picture of yourself how you want to be, "a constant inner-striving for self-perfection", is required to begin and sustain changing emotional patterns
4) Practice in advance through "mental rehearsal", makes it more likely to have success in staying out of old patterns in the moment
5) Watch for results and tweak these techniques based on observations

That seems to be the jist of it. It's pretty much all just "remember, remember, remember, stay awake!"
These 5 points you listed are the things that are dug-deep and don't want to be remembered when we enter a dissociation period, or when high emotional interference's get in the way!

I think a major part of the answer is in the transcript:

A: Keep in mind that you have dealt with things the same way for so long that there are very deep tracks in the brain. At the same time, there are circuits that have been little or never used. This must change!!! Super efforts are needed or you will deteriorate rapidly!

and

Q: (L) What they're talking about is the habitual dissociation. Paying close and careful attention to what's outside, and responding to it, is what you've almost never used.

A way to see it is that habits create imprinting (imprints reinforce habits and the whole thing keeps cycling) and the mind will use those tracks whenever it has an opportunity because energy has to flow somewhere and if there is a conduit, that's where it goes (we cannot do/think nothing unless we're organically dead). You cannot stop a river but you can deviate it, and that's where the super effort of creating new imprints comes in, creating new circuits in the brain. Once the new tracks become stronger, the old undesirable tracks will little by little lose their preponderance out of misuse, and because energy has other routes to explore. It is like training a muscle that has never served.

Doing what "it" doesn't like is mostly doing what "it" has been lazy to do, under directed conditions.

 

[Cleo]

Oh no, not Bernhard! I have watched his documentaries and some of his articles and he always come across as very lucid, concise and highly knowledgeable/well read. He explains concepts in very dry and almost academic language that you can't help but think he is how he comes across in his work!

So disheartening because it just makes you question everything.

Yeah, off and on I've read some of Bernhard's work on his site, including part of the most recent 'love bite' article, and have watched a few of the documentaries that I thought were well put together. Slightly disturbing you might say, to see how I didn't really question his side of things, especially in this most recent article. Because he is a member of this forum possibly, and a lot of the topics on his site reference back to a lot of material posted here.

I bought one of Eve Lorgen's books to read up more about the 'love bite' thing, about a couple weeks ago. Now I'm not sure what to do with it. Starting to sense, that much more-how lacking in discernment I might be around certain topics.

Thank you for posting this timely session.

 

[Tarri]

Thank you. Lots of vital information we obviously are all able to apply to ourselves. Two observations came to mind.
1. What a totally complicated puzzle we have made of ourselves.
2. Experiencing that faint hint of what is possible if we do this work and figure out how to undo the traps.
The emotional brain is frustratingly complicated. It is so interwoven with all the bearly glimpsed routines it takes an eagles eye and super awareness to bring them each into the light.
I can't thank you enough Laura and the whole group for giving us the keys that enable us to work our way to freedom. Its exciting, daunting, impowering. Gives me something REALLY worth living on this planet for.