seek10 said:
what is meant by potential for strong emotions ?. Does this potential for strong emotions has any thing to potential for spiritual evolution? . Yes, Use of emotional center is essential for spiritual growth , but 'strong' has any thing do with the level of spirituality?. I don't know
If you take 100 different people and show them a child in pain, you'll get different responses. Psychopaths will show almost no emotional response (or perhaps enjoyment if they are sadistic). Some will feel slight discomfort, and some will FEEL that person's pain. Some people have more emotional sensitivity than others, and yes, this is essential for spiritual growth. As Gurdjieff says, "spiritual" growth is growth of Being, of essence, and essence is emotional in nature. Those who are more "sensitive" to their environment get more data from their environment. Compare to a psychopath, who can't "see" the emotional content of human interactions. For him, he cannot learn anything of value because he lacks the Eyes to see. And the lessons we need to learn here are simple karmic understandings. They have to do with issues of conscience, of compassion, of understanding. Of course, some may only have such sensitivity
in potential, and for such individuals, it seems that a big shock is necessary to "break" the old self, the old crystallization. Then, the essence can be reborn, and a new self emerges from the ashes of the old.
Webglider asked about crystallization:
webglider said:
I think this relates to me too. By "crystallize" does it mean that the person's centers, especially the emotional center, solidifies around the belief in a false premise or an extremely negative experience?
I think this is pretty close. We're naturally pulled between Yes and No. Take a person who is constantly vacillating, can't make up their mind about anything. Tell them one thing, they'll believe it. Tell them another contradictory thing, they'll believe that too. For such a person, there is nothing solid, nothing crystallized. Lobaczewski talks about the instinctive substratum of schizoids being founded on shifting sands. While they may have obsessive beliefs (partial crystallizations), they are unstable. So what is a crystallization? Basically, it is the stabilization or equilibrium of external and internal forces. This is the "nature/nurture" interaction. We are all born with a specific biology, and with specific temperaments and inborn tendencies (whether strictly genetic, or past-life, or whatever). Then come social influences. This is the "training" of our intellect, which determines the limits of our belief center. The integration between the two gives us our "crystallization".
Now, let's take someone who is born with a certain physicality that is not accepted in society. They will be traumatized by the reaction of their peers, and this will make emotional programs, which then determine how one sees the world and interacts with it. In this way, the emotional center "learns" things that are not true. And when such programs are installed, they "groove" and become the typical responses. And they're HARD to change. Same with false intellectual beliefs. If a society teaches something, it is VERY hard to disagree, because the benefits of the society are at stake. Disagree and you risk losing everything essential to survival: family, love, acceptance, freedom, food, life itself even.
In this way, our natural tendency to preserve our bodies (survival) is used against us. Survival gets "tied" or "linked" to false beliefs and we fight for them as we fight for our lives. So, biological influences (this includes also tendencies like anger, vengeance, sex drive, hunger, selfishness, etc) combine with social influences to determine a stable way of being. And this is more often than not WRONG. The beliefs are wrong, the emotions are misdirected. And it requires a shock to break it down.
However, if the shock comes, breaks down the original structure, and there is nothing there underneath, you can get madness or suicide. And what if there IS something there, but the shock is too big? Maybe this has something to do with soul smashing? (And I think the descriptions you all have given are great by the way, and make good food for thought!) For those without the seed of a soul (OPs), the shock may destroy them. And for those WITH the seed of the soul, the shock may be so intense that they CHOOSE recycling to primal matter. This is the ultimate use of our own emotions against us. We have guilt for a reason, it's the emotion that puts us on a course correction. But think about it. What if FOR LIFETIMES, we sin against our souls, without the social support to provide a mirror of our behavior and thus the prompt for guilt (the first shock is always external)? And then, all at once, we experience ALL of it, without any warning or idea of what's going on. This must be what the original meaning of "hell" was, before being corrupted by psychopaths to keep people controlled. And think of the guilt, the desire to just end it all, to feel that one does not even deserve to live. And basically, we make the choice to end it all, because the pain is too great and we truly feel that we do not DESERVE to live. And then we've given everything...
It's really depressing to think that this is the maneuver that's been used on us. Not only has the pathocracy, in the forms of religions, manipulated our sense of guilt in order to believe false things, it can even be the instrument of our own destruction. So why would 4D STS want to do this? We have something they cannot afford us to develop: the ability to bring balance to the universe, to be on the ascending path, not the descending. And by recycling us into matter, they are able to continue reveling in physicality. And the act of destroying us for their own gain and pleasure only further polarizes them. They are cosmic hunters, and we are their prey.
But there IS hope. Simply knowing of the possibilities is the first step and provides protection. For example, if I ever experience a cleansing of the type Laura did (I haven't!), I'll know what to expect, and hopefully have the presence of mind to tell myself to hold on, that it will pass. All the knowledge we have gained over the years provides awareness of possibilities. And not only do we have warnings of danger, we know that there IS another way. And that's what we're here to find and MAKE real.
That sounds like some kind of New Age nonsense. How do you (or he or whoever) even know that you (or he or whoever) even HAD a soul to supposedly "give away"?? And who or what did the person supposedly give their soul TO?? And to continue with this lilne of "reasoning" how does one tell it's gone?
